Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Cassidy Puckett]

Hi all,

I am a PhD student at Northwestern University in the Sociology department,
doing research on digital inequality.  I have my master's in Education
(Learning, Design, and Technology, specifically) from Stanford University
and have done research in technology and education for the past 5 years and
worked in public schools the last 8 years.  I have some familiarity with
TakingITGlobal (presentations at NECC, etc.) and would be happy to moderate
(and also facilitate the relationship with TIG, which seems to be a
necessary related task).

I'm not sure exactly who is organizing this, but please let me know if you
need any more information.

Best,
Cassidy


On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Marlene Bramley <
marl...@potentialafrica.net> wrote:

> Hi there All
> Happy new year and best wishes.  Our company (www.ngoconnectafrica.org)
> would like to use a similar Listserve client that allows users to reply to
> threads from forums via e-mail - similar to what is being used in this
> discussion group (managing mailing lists).  We would also like to manage
> newsletters with the same client.  Can anybody point me in the direction of
> where I could find it? Which ones are good and affordable etc. etc.
> Regards
> Marlene Bramley
> www.ngoconnectafrica.org
>
> -Original Message-
> From: digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net [mailto:
> digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net] On Behalf Of Daniel O. Escasa
> Sent: 02 January 2009 05:05 PM
> To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group
> Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of
> DDN)
>
> Sabi ni Andy noong Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:46:31 -0800 (PST):
> > Why not just have ddn activities in multiple places? There's no reason
> > why this has to be an either-or discussion. In an ideal world, DDN would
> > be via email, on Moodle, have a wiki, be on Facebook, Twitter,
> > Friendfeed, YouTube, etc...
>
> Interesting idea. I know that at least Twitter and YouTube are
> "mashable" although offhand I can't think of how this would work. Maybe
> someone with a clearer mind (Christmas holiday hangover ) can cook
> something up.
>
> --
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Sameera Wijerathna]

Hi All

I also can contribute the DDN as a volunteer moderator.

Best regards,
Sameera
http://ict4d-in-srilanka.blogspot.com


 



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Uzoh
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:53 PM
To: 'The Digital Divide Network discussion group'
Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of
DDN)

Hi Andy,

Happy New Year! I'm volunteering to be one of the moderators. Thanks for
all
your sustained effort all these years.

Mary (Molly) Uzoh, CEO
Learning Right Technologies, LLC
P. O. Box 51616
San Jose, CA 95151
Phone: 408-649-5872, Cell: 408-826-2167
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[mailto:digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net] On Behalf Of Andy
Carvin
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:34 AM
To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group
Subject: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

Hi Tom,

The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment.
Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I
work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy
discussions,
but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would
suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could
share
the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get
them
set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for
NPR.


ac


Andy Carvin
andycarvin at yahoo  com
www.andycarvin.com
www.pbs.org/learningnow




- Original Message 
From: tom abeles 
To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN


hmm, how long between submission and "approval" as in this just released
batch of postings.

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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Tobias Eigen]

Hi Andy - these are great insights... And there are lessons to be
learned in this discussion that go beyond DDN. Thanks!

Tobias

On 1/5/09, Andy Swarbrick  wrote:
> As an owner-mod of around 30 groups on Yahoo and Google Groups I would
> be happy to reapply that experience to support DDN, if that is at all
> helpful.
>
> One question seems to be what platform one might use for DDN.  Before
> you get to that one must ask, "what is wrong (and right) with the
> existing one, and if we change what could the benefits & pitfalls be".
>
> What is wrong with the existing platform?  Does it cost money?   Is it
> difficult to manage?  At least it has a stable user-base who know its
> strengths and weaknesses.
>
> As I say I use Yahoo Groups which of course is free.  Added to Y!G is
> Grouply which is a social-networking front end, possibly giving all
> the benefits and pitfalls of social networking, not to mention the
> benefits and pros & cons of Y!G.
>
> (It is worth noting that some Y!G and Google Groups seem to be
> reflecting each others messages into both platforms.)
>
> I also use and like Wiserearth and (like all platforms) it has its
> benefits it also has its issues.  One disadvantage (depending on your
> perspective) is that Wiserearth is primarily a website interface,
> whereas I love the DDN email interface.  I do not know Moodle so
> cannot comment.
>
> To my way of thinkin any virtual group (and DDN is no different) goes
> through its high and low points.  I run a few "dead" groups, but I
> know that at the right moment any of them could go live.  So
> quiescence is not to me a core problem.  What is needed is good
> management.  This group needs someone to drive its agenda, and that
> means in part to stimulate the DDN community into self-action.  What
> technology is used is then of secondary importance.
>
> Andy
>
> If the current owner-mod structure discourages that self-promotion
> (which it seems is true) then the starting point for me is to support
> a change that corrects that core problem.  Correct that and then see
> what else is necessary later.
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Marlene Bramley]

Hi there All
Happy new year and best wishes.  Our company (www.ngoconnectafrica.org) would 
like to use a similar Listserve client that allows users to reply to threads 
from forums via e-mail - similar to what is being used in this discussion group 
(managing mailing lists).  We would also like to manage newsletters with the 
same client.  Can anybody point me in the direction of where I could find it? 
Which ones are good and affordable etc. etc.
Regards
Marlene Bramley
www.ngoconnectafrica.org

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From: digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net 
[mailto:digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net] On Behalf Of Daniel O. Escasa
Sent: 02 January 2009 05:05 PM
To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group
Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

Sabi ni Andy noong Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:46:31 -0800 (PST):
> Why not just have ddn activities in multiple places? There's no reason
> why this has to be an either-or discussion. In an ideal world, DDN would
> be via email, on Moodle, have a wiki, be on Facebook, Twitter,
> Friendfeed, YouTube, etc...

Interesting idea. I know that at least Twitter and YouTube are
"mashable" although offhand I can't think of how this would work. Maybe
someone with a clearer mind (Christmas holiday hangover ) can cook
something up.

--
Daniel O. Escasa
independent IT writer and consulant
techblog at http://descasa.i.ph
twitter page at http://www.twitter.com/silverlokk
--
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desc...@internet-mail.org
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personal blog at http://descasa.i.ph

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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Molly E. Uzoh]

Hi Andy,

Happy New Year! I'm volunteering to be one of the moderators. Thanks for all
your sustained effort all these years.

Mary (Molly) Uzoh, CEO
Learning Right Technologies, LLC
P. O. Box 51616
San Jose, CA 95151
Phone: 408-649-5872, Cell: 408-826-2167
http://www.learningright.com

-Original Message-
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[mailto:digitaldivide-boun...@digitaldivide.net] On Behalf Of Andy Carvin
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:34 AM
To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group
Subject: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

Hi Tom,

The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment.
Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I
work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions,
but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would
suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share
the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them
set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for
NPR.


ac


Andy Carvin
andycarvin at yahoo  com
www.andycarvin.com
www.pbs.org/learningnow




- Original Message 
From: tom abeles 
To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN


hmm, how long between submission and "approval" as in this just released
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Andy Swarbrick]

As an owner-mod of around 30 groups on Yahoo and Google Groups I would
be happy to reapply that experience to support DDN, if that is at all
helpful.

One question seems to be what platform one might use for DDN.  Before
you get to that one must ask, "what is wrong (and right) with the
existing one, and if we change what could the benefits & pitfalls be".

What is wrong with the existing platform?  Does it cost money?   Is it
difficult to manage?  At least it has a stable user-base who know its
strengths and weaknesses.

As I say I use Yahoo Groups which of course is free.  Added to Y!G is
Grouply which is a social-networking front end, possibly giving all
the benefits and pitfalls of social networking, not to mention the
benefits and pros & cons of Y!G.

(It is worth noting that some Y!G and Google Groups seem to be
reflecting each others messages into both platforms.)

I also use and like Wiserearth and (like all platforms) it has its
benefits it also has its issues.  One disadvantage (depending on your
perspective) is that Wiserearth is primarily a website interface,
whereas I love the DDN email interface.  I do not know Moodle so
cannot comment.

To my way of thinkin any virtual group (and DDN is no different) goes
through its high and low points.  I run a few "dead" groups, but I
know that at the right moment any of them could go live.  So
quiescence is not to me a core problem.  What is needed is good
management.  This group needs someone to drive its agenda, and that
means in part to stimulate the DDN community into self-action.  What
technology is used is then of secondary importance.

Andy

If the current owner-mod structure discourages that self-promotion
(which it seems is true) then the starting point for me is to support
a change that corrects that core problem.  Correct that and then see
what else is necessary later.
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Fouad Bajwa]

Hi,

I have been moderating lists at various policy community and
development forums. I would like to volunteer.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Andy Carvin  wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment. 
> Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I work 
> for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions, but the 
> moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest that 
> DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating 
> duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either 
> way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR.
>
>
> ac
>
> 
> Andy Carvin
> andycarvin at yahoo  com
> www.andycarvin.com
> www.pbs.org/learningnow
> 
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: tom abeles 
> To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
>
>
> hmm, how long between submission and "approval" as in this just released 
> batch of postings.
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Cindy Lemcke-Hoong]

>>Why not just have ddn activities in multiple places? There's no reason why
>>this has to be an either-or discussion. In an ideal world, DDN would be via
>>email, on Moodle, have a wiki, be on Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed, YouTube,
>>etc...In an ideal world, there would be money available to hire a full time 
>>manager to oversee DDN, but we do not have that kind of luxury. 

Perhaps I am wrong, my assumption is, the more different tools we have, the 
more volunteers DDN would need. Presently we sometime have to wait for days 
before emails are approved for publication, (2 of my emails took about a month 
for approval), I think that would kill Twiter, for example? Another hesitation 
I have is, from my own observation the past 3 years, I think there are only a 
handful of DDN members that are very skill at using different tools. What would 
that mean in finding volunteers? Personally even IF I am willing, I would not 
dare to offere my service. 

=



cindyho...@gmail.com

--- On Fri, 2/1/09, Andy Carvin  wrote:
From: Andy Carvin 
Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
To: "The Digital Divide Network discussion group" 

Date: Friday, 2 January, 2009, 2:46 PM

Why not just have ddn activities in multiple places? There's no reason why
this has to be an either-or discussion. In an ideal world, DDN would be via
email, on Moodle, have a wiki, be on Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed, YouTube,
etc...

 
Andy Carvin
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www.andycarvin.com
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Tobias Eigen]

Happy New Year everyone -

Has anyone on this list got experience trying to install and use the Wiser
Platform,
used on the Wiserearth.org site? I was pleasantly surprised to find that
they released their code under GPL.

Exploring that site, I am impressed by the functionality it offers and do
agree that creating a DDN group there might be a useful and easy thing to do
to keep DDN alive and growing in new directions. I liked Andy's suggestion
of using multiple tools and would welcome an experimental approach.

This list needs to remain though - I like being connected with you all
through this mailing list.

Cheers,

Tobias

On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Daniel O. Escasa
wrote:

> Sabi ni Andy noong Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:46:31 -0800 (PST):
> > Why not just have ddn activities in multiple places? There's no reason
> > why this has to be an either-or discussion. In an ideal world, DDN would
> > be via email, on Moodle, have a wiki, be on Facebook, Twitter,
> > Friendfeed, YouTube, etc...
>
> Interesting idea. I know that at least Twitter and YouTube are
> "mashable" although offhand I can't think of how this would work. Maybe
> someone with a clearer mind (Christmas holiday hangover ) can cook
> something up.
>
> --
> Daniel O. Escasa
> independent IT writer and consulant
> techblog at http://descasa.i.ph
> twitter page at http://www.twitter.com/silverlokk
> --
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Daniel O. Escasa]

Sabi ni Andy noong Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:46:31 -0800 (PST):
> Why not just have ddn activities in multiple places? There's no reason
> why this has to be an either-or discussion. In an ideal world, DDN would
> be via email, on Moodle, have a wiki, be on Facebook, Twitter,
> Friendfeed, YouTube, etc...

Interesting idea. I know that at least Twitter and YouTube are
"mashable" although offhand I can't think of how this would work. Maybe
someone with a clearer mind (Christmas holiday hangover ) can cook
something up.

--
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techblog at http://descasa.i.ph
twitter page at http://www.twitter.com/silverlokk
-- 
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desc...@internet-mail.org
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Andy Carvin]

They can be separate, but the website had a mechanism for users to manage their 
subscription. I haven't looked in several years, though, so I don't know if TIG 
modified it. Can any TIG folks comment?

ac

 
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- Original Message 
From: Claude Almansi 
To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group 

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:57:28 PM
Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

Thanks for your answer to Cindy Lemcke-Hoong's question on moderating
work, Andy:

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Andy Carvin  wrote:
> To facilitate and encourage discussion while dealing with users who break the 
> discussion rules. It's pretty straightforward.
>
> btw, one thing to point out - if the group decides to migrate to another tool 
> - googlegroups, etc - there may be some integration work required because 
> membership to the list can be controlled through the digitaldivide.net 
> website membership.

But I'm not sure I correctly understand your last point: wasn't
signing up for the list separate from being member of the site, at
least technically?

As to a possible migration, Steven Clift's proposal (copied below)
seems more appropriate than a google group. Google has been emanating
strange connotations lately, abruptly closing google lively after
several classes had adopted it, their discutable metabolization of
Jotspot into google sites - not to mention what's happening on the
video front. There's a distinct smell of a google drive towards
monoculture, maybe less pungent than Microsoft's was, but there all
the same.

Steven's proposal on the other hand is is "GPL open source". And that
seems more consonant to DDN. Moreover, there is an RSS feed (well,
google groups have them too, granted, but see above), which means that
the last messages to the list could be displayed on the DDN site,
couldn't they?

Happy New Year to All

Claude

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Steven Clift  wrote:
> If folks want an improved interface that does not sacrifice e-mail access,
> but makes web participation more viable I'd be glad to host the DDN list on
> http://groups.dowire.org
>
> We'd still need a forum manager - I'd set the group to unmoderated (only
> members can post), moderate new members, and use our unique volume control
> setting to limit people to making 3 posts a day each (we normally use 2
> which really diversifies participation on active forums). This is a much
> less taxing facilitation model.
>
> The nice thing about the GroupServer platform that I use (also at
> http://forums.e-democracy.org) is that it is GPL open source, evolving
> feature wise (for example it automatically resizes photos sent in via e-mail
> and only puts them on the web), and web feeds are native.
>
> I've recently figured out a way to take the feed and integrate the listing
> of my posts in the feed output on Facebook - more:
> http://blog.e-democracy.org/posts/179
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Clift
> E-Democracy.Org
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Andy Carvin]

Why not just have ddn activities in multiple places? There's no reason why this 
has to be an either-or discussion. In an ideal world, DDN would be via email, 
on Moodle, have a wiki, be on Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed, YouTube, etc...

 
Andy Carvin
andycarvin at yahoo  com
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- Original Message 
From: Cindy Lemcke-Hoong 
To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group 

Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2009 12:18:54 AM
Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

Any thought of moving DDN to Moodle? I think Moodle provides a centralized 
platform and better features than the email listing. It provides functions 
where we can build library related to DDN issues, members can conduct training, 
discussions etc. all within one location. 

The 'meaning' of DDN has changed since the beginning of DDN. What I see the 
future of DDN should go beyond discussions. 

Cindy

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--- On Wed, 31/12/08, Claude Almansi  wrote:
From: Claude Almansi 
Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
To: "The Digital Divide Network discussion group" 

Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 11:13 AM

Thanks for your constructive personal opinion, Taran: it is all the
more valuable because of your experience as admin. I've only been a
user - well, theoretically managing some on-site discussions for a
while before they got scrapped, but their were very few posts there.
Between your lines:

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Taran Rampersad
 wrote:
> Personal opinion, meant constructively:
>
> DigitalDivide.net used to count, I think. I've gone through with admin
> powers and removed spam blog postings, deleted spam users, and so forth.
> I'm not sure exactly when that problem started - probably along the
> timeline that all the spam comments on the blogs started showing up. The
> explanation for how all of that happened and was handled is a bit
> sketchy, so it's difficult to say.

As far as I remember, there was a chonological coincidence between the
rise of spam comments to blog entries and the big hacking of the
on-site discussion boards during the 2nd WSIS in 2005. Spammers
started using redirecting scripts in their profiles and in their
comments. So script use was made impossible by admins. Then they
directed to other free-hosted pages where they used those scripts.
Etc.

But already before that, the mailing-list had become the main exchange
tool for DDNers, I think. We'd post to our DDN blogs, but often just
fed them from another blog through RSS.  I've been doing that for a
while, because the DDN blog filter always tells me I'm attempting to
post improper stuff I am unable to identify if I attempt to do it
straight, whereas it doesn't if the same stuff comes through RSS.

>
> The email list is stifled. And honestly, if I did have the time and
> energy to volunteer for moderating this email list, I would. But I have
> moderated email lists and discussion boards before, and they can be very
> problematic. Moderation requires someone whose eyes are on every message
> and who has the time to do things.

Yes, the e-mail list is stifled. But isn't it because people hesitate
to post to it because they don't know when the post will get through?
And couldn't moderation be technically simplified in part by making it
"plain-text no-attachments only" (I'm thinking of Andy's
message about
people attempting to post messages with huge attachments)?

Sure, moderation can be problematic: in the 3 Italian ones I mentioned
before, I was made asst-manager because they had gone haywire in
various ways, yet all based on the fact that the archives were
private. People started to behave more decently after we made them
public - after due consultation none of the trolls paid attention to:
they left and limited themselves to sending the managers personal
insults and threats. The archives of the DDN list are already public,
so this should probably limit trolling. Present and past moderators
could perhaps tell what proportion of trolling and spam they have to
delete?

>
> And all of this gets back to the future of DDN because in my mind there
> is a question that there is a future of DDN.
>
> I think a lot of things are the result of the best intentions. If there
> is to be a future of DDN, we need to move past that and move into what
> the community wants. And while the community has pointed out that
> discussion has been stunted by moderation, the truth is that the wiki
> was presented and remains largely unused.

There may still be a psychological reluctance to use wikis, even among
DDNers. In other socially oriented projects and actions I participate
in, the mailing-list seems to remain the

Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Cindy Lemcke-Hoong]

Any thought of moving DDN to Moodle? I think Moodle provides a centralized 
platform and better features than the email listing. It provides functions 
where we can build library related to DDN issues, members can conduct training, 
discussions etc. all within one location. 

The 'meaning' of DDN has changed since the beginning of DDN. What I see the 
future of DDN should go beyond discussions. 

Cindy

=



cindyho...@gmail.com

--- On Wed, 31/12/08, Claude Almansi  wrote:
From: Claude Almansi 
Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
To: "The Digital Divide Network discussion group" 

Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 11:13 AM

Thanks for your constructive personal opinion, Taran: it is all the
more valuable because of your experience as admin. I've only been a
user - well, theoretically managing some on-site discussions for a
while before they got scrapped, but their were very few posts there.
Between your lines:

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Taran Rampersad
 wrote:
> Personal opinion, meant constructively:
>
> DigitalDivide.net used to count, I think. I've gone through with admin
> powers and removed spam blog postings, deleted spam users, and so forth.
> I'm not sure exactly when that problem started - probably along the
> timeline that all the spam comments on the blogs started showing up. The
> explanation for how all of that happened and was handled is a bit
> sketchy, so it's difficult to say.

As far as I remember, there was a chonological coincidence between the
rise of spam comments to blog entries and the big hacking of the
on-site discussion boards during the 2nd WSIS in 2005. Spammers
started using redirecting scripts in their profiles and in their
comments. So script use was made impossible by admins. Then they
directed to other free-hosted pages where they used those scripts.
Etc.

But already before that, the mailing-list had become the main exchange
tool for DDNers, I think. We'd post to our DDN blogs, but often just
fed them from another blog through RSS.  I've been doing that for a
while, because the DDN blog filter always tells me I'm attempting to
post improper stuff I am unable to identify if I attempt to do it
straight, whereas it doesn't if the same stuff comes through RSS.

>
> The email list is stifled. And honestly, if I did have the time and
> energy to volunteer for moderating this email list, I would. But I have
> moderated email lists and discussion boards before, and they can be very
> problematic. Moderation requires someone whose eyes are on every message
> and who has the time to do things.

Yes, the e-mail list is stifled. But isn't it because people hesitate
to post to it because they don't know when the post will get through?
And couldn't moderation be technically simplified in part by making it
"plain-text no-attachments only" (I'm thinking of Andy's
message about
people attempting to post messages with huge attachments)?

Sure, moderation can be problematic: in the 3 Italian ones I mentioned
before, I was made asst-manager because they had gone haywire in
various ways, yet all based on the fact that the archives were
private. People started to behave more decently after we made them
public - after due consultation none of the trolls paid attention to:
they left and limited themselves to sending the managers personal
insults and threats. The archives of the DDN list are already public,
so this should probably limit trolling. Present and past moderators
could perhaps tell what proportion of trolling and spam they have to
delete?

>
> And all of this gets back to the future of DDN because in my mind there
> is a question that there is a future of DDN.
>
> I think a lot of things are the result of the best intentions. If there
> is to be a future of DDN, we need to move past that and move into what
> the community wants. And while the community has pointed out that
> discussion has been stunted by moderation, the truth is that the wiki
> was presented and remains largely unused.

There may still be a psychological reluctance to use wikis, even among
DDNers. In other socially oriented projects and actions I participate
in, the mailing-list seems to remain the prefered vehicle. Other tools
get used by smaller sub-groups (wikis for the preparation of a
statement then submitted to the list, e.g.). That might be a Digital
Divide issue we might address.
>
> So before we get into technicalities again, as well as human moderation
> of email messages, I suggest that people on the list consider whether
> they want DDN to have a future. That seems to be missing. From there, we
> can decide what that future will be.

Personally, I do. "Web 2.0" - many applications of which I discovered
thanks to DDN mailing list discussions - raised gr

Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Claude Almansi]

Thanks for your answer to Cindy Lemcke-Hoong's question on moderating
work, Andy:

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Andy Carvin  wrote:
> To facilitate and encourage discussion while dealing with users who break the 
> discussion rules. It's pretty straightforward.
>
> btw, one thing to point out - if the group decides to migrate to another tool 
> - googlegroups, etc - there may be some integration work required because 
> membership to the list can be controlled through the digitaldivide.net 
> website membership.

But I'm not sure I correctly understand your last point: wasn't
signing up for the list separate from being member of the site, at
least technically?

As to a possible migration, Steven Clift's proposal (copied below)
seems more appropriate than a google group. Google has been emanating
strange connotations lately, abruptly closing google lively after
several classes had adopted it, their discutable metabolization of
Jotspot into google sites - not to mention what's happening on the
video front. There's a distinct smell of a google drive towards
monoculture, maybe less pungent than Microsoft's was, but there all
the same.

Steven's proposal on the other hand is is "GPL open source". And that
seems more consonant to DDN. Moreover, there is an RSS feed (well,
google groups have them too, granted, but see above), which means that
the last messages to the list could be displayed on the DDN site,
couldn't they?

Happy New Year to All

Claude

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Steven Clift  wrote:
> If folks want an improved interface that does not sacrifice e-mail access,
> but makes web participation more viable I'd be glad to host the DDN list on
> http://groups.dowire.org
>
> We'd still need a forum manager - I'd set the group to unmoderated (only
> members can post), moderate new members, and use our unique volume control
> setting to limit people to making 3 posts a day each (we normally use 2
> which really diversifies participation on active forums). This is a much
> less taxing facilitation model.
>
> The nice thing about the GroupServer platform that I use (also at
> http://forums.e-democracy.org) is that it is GPL open source, evolving
> feature wise (for example it automatically resizes photos sent in via e-mail
> and only puts them on the web), and web feeds are native.
>
> I've recently figured out a way to take the feed and integrate the listing
> of my posts in the feed output on Facebook - more:
> http://blog.e-democracy.org/posts/179
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Clift
> E-Democracy.Org
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Brandt, Suzan]

-Original Message-
From: Cindy Lemcke-Hoong 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:10 AM
To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group 

Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)


First of all can someone, such as Andy Carvin, come up with a 
to-do/qualifications/expectation etc. list for moderator? Without that, some 
qualified persons might shy away from volunteering.

Cindy

=



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--- On Tue, 30/12/08, Andy Carvin  wrote:
From: Andy Carvin 
Subject: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
To: "The Digital Divide Network discussion group" 

Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 6:34 PM

Hi Tom,

The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment.
Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I
work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions,
but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest
that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating
duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either
way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR.


ac


Andy Carvin
andycarvin at yahoo  com
www.andycarvin.com
www.pbs.org/learningnow




- Original Message 
From: tom abeles 
To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN


hmm, how long between submission and "approval" as in this just
released batch of postings.

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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Andy Carvin]

To facilitate and encourage discussion while dealing with users who break the 
discussion rules. It's pretty straightforward.

btw, one thing to point out - if the group decides to migrate to another tool - 
googlegroups, etc - there may be some integration work required because 
membership to the list can be controlled through the digitaldivide.net website 
membership.

 
Andy Carvin
andycarvin at yahoo  com
www.andycarvin.com
www.pbs.org/learningnow




- Original Message 
From: Cindy Lemcke-Hoong 
To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group 

Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:13:26 AM
Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

First of all can someone, such as Andy Carvin, come up with a 
to-do/qualifications/expectation etc. list for moderator? Without that, some 
qualified persons might shy away from volunteering.

Cindy

=



cindyho...@gmail.com

--- On Tue, 30/12/08, Andy Carvin  wrote:
From: Andy Carvin 
Subject: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
To: "The Digital Divide Network discussion group" 

Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 6:34 PM

Hi Tom,

The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment.
Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I
work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions,
but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest
that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating
duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either
way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR.


ac


Andy Carvin
andycarvin at yahoo  com
www.andycarvin.com
www.pbs.org/learningnow




- Original Message 
From: tom abeles 
To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN


hmm, how long between submission and "approval" as in this just
released batch of postings.

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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Joseph A Cannataci]

Could I join Michael below.
 
As another normally silent but very interested witness, I think that DDN still 
has a very useful role to play.
 
Our work here at CLICT is mostly focussed on urban/rural digital divide issues 
within the EU as well as digital divide issues in Kenya, India and a number of 
other countries...but we follow developments all over the world with great 
interest. There are so many issues that we have in common...as well as a few 
which are special across cultures... that "listening in" on what colleagues 
have to say is truly a salutary experience.
 
There are multiple uses for DDN which we may not have yet properly explored or 
exploited...and since all of us are so busy the problems that have been raised 
over the past few days are understandable...but let's cogitate a  bit more and 
keep the list going while we think of ways to improve matters all round.
 
Meanwhile, I take this opportunity to convey our very best wishes for a very 
Happy New Year 2009 to all members.
 

Joe


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Web:   www.uclan.ac.uk/clict  
  

>>> "Michael Malahy Morris"  31/12/2008 00:25 >>>
I have been a silent but interested witness to the list 
serve for several years now and have found this counsel by 
Taran to be the absolute best advice I have seen on DDs 
survival and prospects in many months.  If we do not 
follow (even with modification) her suggestions here, I 
fear the network will not survive for long.  My work in 
the Southwestern United States and with colleagues 
elsewhere in the world tell me we need DD but someone has 
to wrap their hands, heart and mind around this process 
and give us better direction.  I also do not have the time 
(or the inside knowledge) to do this but I know we need 
this tool and its voices.

Michael Malahy Morris
Research Professor in Public Policy
University of New Mexico

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:36:29 -0400
  Taran Rampersad  wrote:
> Personal opinion, meant constructively:
> 
> DigitalDivide.net used to count, I think. I've gone 
>through with admin 
> powers and removed spam blog postings, deleted spam 
>users, and so forth. 
> I'm not sure exactly when that problem started - 
>probably along the 
> timeline that all the spam comments on the blogs started 
>showing up. The 
> explanation for how all of that happened and was handled 
>is a bit 
> sketchy, so it's difficult to say.
> 
> The email list is stifled. And honestly, if I did have 
>the time and 
> energy to volunteer for moderating this email list, I 
>would. But I have 
> moderated email lists and discussion boards before, and 
>they can be very 
> problematic. Moderation requires someone whose eyes are 
>on every message 
> and who has the time to do things.
> 
> And all of this gets back to the future of DDN because 
>in my mind there 
> is a question that there is a future of DDN.
> 
> I think a lot of things are the result of the best 
>intentions. If there 
> is to be a future of DDN, we need to move past that and 
>move into what 
> the community wants. And while the community has pointed 
>out that 
> discussion has been stunted by moderation, the truth is 
>that the wiki 
> was presented and remains largely unused.
> 
> So before we get into technicalities again, as well as 
>human moderation 
> of email messages, I suggest that people on the list 
>consider whether 
> they want DDN to have a future. That seems to be 
>missing. From there, we 
> can decide what that future will be.
> 
> But first, people have to decide that they want it - and 
>decide what 
> they are willing to do toward a future of DDN.
> 
> Andy Carvin wrote:
>> Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and 
>>TakingITGlobal not count, Deborah?
>>
>>  
>> Andy Carvin
>> andycarvin at yahoo  com
>> www.andycarvin.com 
>> www.pbs.org/learningnow 
>>   
> --
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> taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com 
> 
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> http://www.your2ndplace.com ( http://www.your2ndplace.com/ )
> http://www.opendepth.com ( http://www.opendepth.com/ )
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ 
> 
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> "The present is theirs; the future, for which I really 
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Claude Almansi]

Thanks for your constructive personal opinion, Taran: it is all the
more valuable because of your experience as admin. I've only been a
user - well, theoretically managing some on-site discussions for a
while before they got scrapped, but their were very few posts there.
Between your lines:

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Taran Rampersad
 wrote:
> Personal opinion, meant constructively:
>
> DigitalDivide.net used to count, I think. I've gone through with admin
> powers and removed spam blog postings, deleted spam users, and so forth.
> I'm not sure exactly when that problem started - probably along the
> timeline that all the spam comments on the blogs started showing up. The
> explanation for how all of that happened and was handled is a bit
> sketchy, so it's difficult to say.

As far as I remember, there was a chonological coincidence between the
rise of spam comments to blog entries and the big hacking of the
on-site discussion boards during the 2nd WSIS in 2005. Spammers
started using redirecting scripts in their profiles and in their
comments. So script use was made impossible by admins. Then they
directed to other free-hosted pages where they used those scripts.
Etc.

But already before that, the mailing-list had become the main exchange
tool for DDNers, I think. We'd post to our DDN blogs, but often just
fed them from another blog through RSS.  I've been doing that for a
while, because the DDN blog filter always tells me I'm attempting to
post improper stuff I am unable to identify if I attempt to do it
straight, whereas it doesn't if the same stuff comes through RSS.

>
> The email list is stifled. And honestly, if I did have the time and
> energy to volunteer for moderating this email list, I would. But I have
> moderated email lists and discussion boards before, and they can be very
> problematic. Moderation requires someone whose eyes are on every message
> and who has the time to do things.

Yes, the e-mail list is stifled. But isn't it because people hesitate
to post to it because they don't know when the post will get through?
And couldn't moderation be technically simplified in part by making it
"plain-text no-attachments only" (I'm thinking of Andy's message about
people attempting to post messages with huge attachments)?

Sure, moderation can be problematic: in the 3 Italian ones I mentioned
before, I was made asst-manager because they had gone haywire in
various ways, yet all based on the fact that the archives were
private. People started to behave more decently after we made them
public - after due consultation none of the trolls paid attention to:
they left and limited themselves to sending the managers personal
insults and threats. The archives of the DDN list are already public,
so this should probably limit trolling. Present and past moderators
could perhaps tell what proportion of trolling and spam they have to
delete?

>
> And all of this gets back to the future of DDN because in my mind there
> is a question that there is a future of DDN.
>
> I think a lot of things are the result of the best intentions. If there
> is to be a future of DDN, we need to move past that and move into what
> the community wants. And while the community has pointed out that
> discussion has been stunted by moderation, the truth is that the wiki
> was presented and remains largely unused.

There may still be a psychological reluctance to use wikis, even among
DDNers. In other socially oriented projects and actions I participate
in, the mailing-list seems to remain the prefered vehicle. Other tools
get used by smaller sub-groups (wikis for the preparation of a
statement then submitted to the list, e.g.). That might be a Digital
Divide issue we might address.
>
> So before we get into technicalities again, as well as human moderation
> of email messages, I suggest that people on the list consider whether
> they want DDN to have a future. That seems to be missing. From there, we
> can decide what that future will be.

Personally, I do. "Web 2.0" - many applications of which I discovered
thanks to DDN mailing list discussions - raised great enthusiasm and
hopes, but it might time for an assessment of their actual
opportunities, uses and implications. Some "Feature Story" articles
(see ) are about
this.

>
> But first, people have to decide that they want it - and decide what
> they are willing to do toward a future of DDN.

Hence my willingness to co-moderate the mailing-list. Not only to
prevent spam, trolling and behemoth attachments, but to try and incite
people to share again there the DDN-related experiences they are
involved in elsewhere: exploration of new tools, accessibility and
usability issues, their usefulness for the promotion of education,
health, welfare and human rights in general, blocks against them and
how to cirvumvent them - etc.

Best

Claude

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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Cindy Lemcke-Hoong]

Hello Calude,

I agreed with you ... I have just sent another email requesting some 
to-do/expectations list 

Come to the worse, I can give some of my time to baby-site DDN. BUT not alone.

Cindy

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--- On Tue, 30/12/08, Claude Almansi  wrote:
From: Claude Almansi 
Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
To: "The Digital Divide Network discussion group" 

Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 10:54 PM

I've co-moderated 3 Italian mailing-lists a couple of years ago. So
I'd volunteer to co-moderate this DDN list - preferably not alone,
especially at first, until I get the hang of issues possibly involved.

DDN counts. The issues may have evolved, but they have not gone away.

Best

Claude



On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Andy Carvin 
wrote:
> Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and TakingITGlobal not count,
Deborah?
>
>  
> Andy Carvin
> andycarvin at yahoo  com
> www.andycarvin.com
> www.pbs.org/learningnow
> 
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Deborah Phelan 
> To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group

> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of
DDN)
>
> haven't participated in this group for some time ... but have an
alternative
> suggestion.  a previous email suggested incorporating the group into
> something larger  I've been working as a volunteer editor at
> WiserEarth<http://www.wiserearth.org>,
> an online database and community funded by Paul Hawken (Blessed Unrest)
>
> serves the people who are transforming the world. It is a community
> directory and networking forum that maps and connects non-governmental
> organizations (NGOs), businesses, governments, and individuals addressing
> the central issues of our day: climate change, poverty, the environment,
> peace, water, hunger, social justice, conservation,
>
> 110,422 Organizations <http://www.wiserearth.org/organization/>
> 19,979 People <http://www.wiserearth.org/user/active>
> 1,012 Groups <http://www.wiserearth.org/group/action/browse>
> 4,933 Resources <http://www.wiserearth.org/resource/>
>
> The website, which is primarily run by volunteers, has struggled for some
> time to develop cohesion but over the past few months has really picked up
> the pace and is now beginning to tackle an interface which was daunting
...
>
> We have now widdled down the Areas of Focus into about 10 and editors are
> being selected to oversee and manage content in each assigned AofF.
>
> The reason I suggest this for DDN is that one area ICT Afficianados
> /group/ICT <http://www.wiserearth.org/group/ICT> has already been
somewhat
> built out  DDN could not only use this page as a homebase to carry on
> discusions but also to highlight organizations, connect with other
> organizations, and, with the expertise behind you, provide content to
> further develop the AofF.
>
> Just an idea as I said I've been 'lingering' and checking
back in to WE
> for over a year now and in the past month have been very excited about the
> directed movement and growing participation here.
>
> Members of DDN could receive updates everytime something new is added to
> this listing by adding it to a 'watchlist' ...
>
> Deborah
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Andy Carvin 
wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the
moment.
>> Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore
because I
>> work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy
discussions,
>> but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would
>> suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could
share
>> the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy
to get them
>> set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I
work for
>> NPR.
>>
>>
>> ac
>>
>> 
>> Andy Carvin
>> andycarvin at yahoo  com
>> www.andycarvin.com
>> www.pbs.org/learningnow
>> 
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Cindy Lemcke-Hoong]

First of all can someone, such as Andy Carvin, come up with a 
to-do/qualifications/expectation etc. list for moderator? Without that, some 
qualified persons might shy away from volunteering.

Cindy

=



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--- On Tue, 30/12/08, Andy Carvin  wrote:
From: Andy Carvin 
Subject: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
To: "The Digital Divide Network discussion group" 

Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 6:34 PM

Hi Tom,

The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment.
Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I
work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions,
but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would suggest
that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share the moderating
duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them set up. Either
way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for NPR.


ac


Andy Carvin
andycarvin at yahoo  com
www.andycarvin.com
www.pbs.org/learningnow




- Original Message 
From: tom abeles 
To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN


hmm, how long between submission and "approval" as in this just
released batch of postings.

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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Michael Malahy Morris]

I have been a silent but interested witness to the list 
serve for several years now and have found this counsel by 
Taran to be the absolute best advice I have seen on DDs 
survival and prospects in many months.  If we do not 
follow (even with modification) her suggestions here, I 
fear the network will not survive for long.  My work in 
the Southwestern United States and with colleagues 
elsewhere in the world tell me we need DD but someone has 
to wrap their hands, heart and mind around this process 
and give us better direction.  I also do not have the time 
(or the inside knowledge) to do this but I know we need 
this tool and its voices.

Michael Malahy Morris
Research Professor in Public Policy
University of New Mexico

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:36:29 -0400
  Taran Rampersad  wrote:
> Personal opinion, meant constructively:
> 
> DigitalDivide.net used to count, I think. I've gone 
>through with admin 
> powers and removed spam blog postings, deleted spam 
>users, and so forth. 
> I'm not sure exactly when that problem started - 
>probably along the 
> timeline that all the spam comments on the blogs started 
>showing up. The 
> explanation for how all of that happened and was handled 
>is a bit 
> sketchy, so it's difficult to say.
> 
> The email list is stifled. And honestly, if I did have 
>the time and 
> energy to volunteer for moderating this email list, I 
>would. But I have 
> moderated email lists and discussion boards before, and 
>they can be very 
> problematic. Moderation requires someone whose eyes are 
>on every message 
> and who has the time to do things.
> 
> And all of this gets back to the future of DDN because 
>in my mind there 
> is a question that there is a future of DDN.
> 
> I think a lot of things are the result of the best 
>intentions. If there 
> is to be a future of DDN, we need to move past that and 
>move into what 
> the community wants. And while the community has pointed 
>out that 
> discussion has been stunted by moderation, the truth is 
>that the wiki 
> was presented and remains largely unused.
> 
> So before we get into technicalities again, as well as 
>human moderation 
> of email messages, I suggest that people on the list 
>consider whether 
> they want DDN to have a future. That seems to be 
>missing. From there, we 
> can decide what that future will be.
> 
> But first, people have to decide that they want it - and 
>decide what 
> they are willing to do toward a future of DDN.
> 
> Andy Carvin wrote:
>> Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and 
>>TakingITGlobal not count, Deborah?
>>
>>  
>> Andy Carvin
>> andycarvin at yahoo  com
>> www.andycarvin.com
>> www.pbs.org/learningnow
>>   
> --
> Taran Rampersad
> taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com
> 
> http://www.knowprose.com
> http://www.your2ndplace.com
> http://www.opendepth.com
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/
> 
> "Criticize by Creating" - Michelangelo
> "The present is theirs; the future, for which I really 
>worked, is mine." - Nikola Tesla
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Steven Clift]

If folks want an improved interface that does not sacrifice e-mail access,
but makes web participation more viable I'd be glad to host the DDN list on
http://groups.dowire.org

We'd still need a forum manager - I'd set the group to unmoderated (only
members can post), moderate new members, and use our unique volume control
setting to limit people to making 3 posts a day each (we normally use 2
which really diversifies participation on active forums). This is a much
less taxing facilitation model.

The nice thing about the GroupServer platform that I use (also at
http://forums.e-democracy.org) is that it is GPL open source, evolving
feature wise (for example it automatically resizes photos sent in via e-mail
and only puts them on the web), and web feeds are native.

I've recently figured out a way to take the feed and integrate the listing
of my posts in the feed output on Facebook - more:
http://blog.e-democracy.org/posts/179

Cheers,
Steven Clift
E-Democracy.Org
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Taran Rampersad]

Personal opinion, meant constructively:

DigitalDivide.net used to count, I think. I've gone through with admin 
powers and removed spam blog postings, deleted spam users, and so forth. 
I'm not sure exactly when that problem started - probably along the 
timeline that all the spam comments on the blogs started showing up. The 
explanation for how all of that happened and was handled is a bit 
sketchy, so it's difficult to say.

The email list is stifled. And honestly, if I did have the time and 
energy to volunteer for moderating this email list, I would. But I have 
moderated email lists and discussion boards before, and they can be very 
problematic. Moderation requires someone whose eyes are on every message 
and who has the time to do things.

And all of this gets back to the future of DDN because in my mind there 
is a question that there is a future of DDN.

I think a lot of things are the result of the best intentions. If there 
is to be a future of DDN, we need to move past that and move into what 
the community wants. And while the community has pointed out that 
discussion has been stunted by moderation, the truth is that the wiki 
was presented and remains largely unused.

So before we get into technicalities again, as well as human moderation 
of email messages, I suggest that people on the list consider whether 
they want DDN to have a future. That seems to be missing. From there, we 
can decide what that future will be.

But first, people have to decide that they want it - and decide what 
they are willing to do toward a future of DDN.

Andy Carvin wrote:
> Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and TakingITGlobal not count, 
> Deborah?
>
>  
> Andy Carvin
> andycarvin at yahoo  com
> www.andycarvin.com
> www.pbs.org/learningnow
>   
--
Taran Rampersad
taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com

http://www.knowprose.com
http://www.your2ndplace.com
http://www.opendepth.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/

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"The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine." - 
Nikola Tesla

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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Claude Almansi]

I've co-moderated 3 Italian mailing-lists a couple of years ago. So
I'd volunteer to co-moderate this DDN list - preferably not alone,
especially at first, until I get the hang of issues possibly involved.

DDN counts. The issues may have evolved, but they have not gone away.

Best

Claude



On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Andy Carvin  wrote:
> Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and TakingITGlobal not count, 
> Deborah?
>
>  
> Andy Carvin
> andycarvin at yahoo  com
> www.andycarvin.com
> www.pbs.org/learningnow
> 
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Deborah Phelan 
> To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)
>
> haven't participated in this group for some time ... but have an alternative
> suggestion.  a previous email suggested incorporating the group into
> something larger  I've been working as a volunteer editor at
> WiserEarth<http://www.wiserearth.org>,
> an online database and community funded by Paul Hawken (Blessed Unrest)
>
> serves the people who are transforming the world. It is a community
> directory and networking forum that maps and connects non-governmental
> organizations (NGOs), businesses, governments, and individuals addressing
> the central issues of our day: climate change, poverty, the environment,
> peace, water, hunger, social justice, conservation,
>
> 110,422 Organizations <http://www.wiserearth.org/organization/>
> 19,979 People <http://www.wiserearth.org/user/active>
> 1,012 Groups <http://www.wiserearth.org/group/action/browse>
> 4,933 Resources <http://www.wiserearth.org/resource/>
>
> The website, which is primarily run by volunteers, has struggled for some
> time to develop cohesion but over the past few months has really picked up
> the pace and is now beginning to tackle an interface which was daunting ...
>
> We have now widdled down the Areas of Focus into about 10 and editors are
> being selected to oversee and manage content in each assigned AofF.
>
> The reason I suggest this for DDN is that one area ICT Afficianados
> /group/ICT <http://www.wiserearth.org/group/ICT> has already been somewhat
> built out  DDN could not only use this page as a homebase to carry on
> discusions but also to highlight organizations, connect with other
> organizations, and, with the expertise behind you, provide content to
> further develop the AofF.
>
> Just an idea as I said I've been 'lingering' and checking back in to WE
> for over a year now and in the past month have been very excited about the
> directed movement and growing participation here.
>
> Members of DDN could receive updates everytime something new is added to
> this listing by adding it to a 'watchlist' ...
>
> Deborah
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Andy Carvin  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment.
>> Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I
>> work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions,
>> but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would
>> suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share
>> the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them
>> set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for
>> NPR.
>>
>>
>> ac
>>
>> 
>> Andy Carvin
>> andycarvin at yahoo  com
>> www.andycarvin.com
>> www.pbs.org/learningnow
>> 
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Deborah Phelan]

not saying that at all, Andy. what I was suggesting was possibly using this
resource as a home for the listserv since you seemed to be looking for
volunteers to manage it.  That idea could just mean listing Digitial Divide
Network and TakingITGlobal on WE, (unable to locate either in a search
there) ... the website's visualization network automatically graphs for you
a web of resources <http://www.wiserearth.org/group/ICT> relative to your

Onthe ICT afficiando's listing, for example, here's
<http://www.wiserearth.org/organization/limitToMasterid/349/limitToType/aof>what
they list as relevant or invoved organizations

Just a suggestion, Andy. As I said, I haven't been following DDN for awhile.
Perhaps I got the wrong impression.

Deborah

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Andy Carvin  wrote:

> Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and TakingITGlobal not count,
> Deborah?
>
>  
> Andy Carvin
> andycarvin at yahoo  com
> www.andycarvin.com
> www.pbs.org/learningnow
> 
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Deborah Phelan 
> To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group <
> digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of
> DDN)
>
> haven't participated in this group for some time ... but have an
> alternative
> suggestion.  a previous email suggested incorporating the group into
> something larger  I've been working as a volunteer editor at
> WiserEarth<http://www.wiserearth.org>,
> an online database and community funded by Paul Hawken (Blessed Unrest)
>
> serves the people who are transforming the world. It is a community
> directory and networking forum that maps and connects non-governmental
> organizations (NGOs), businesses, governments, and individuals addressing
> the central issues of our day: climate change, poverty, the environment,
> peace, water, hunger, social justice, conservation,
>
> 110,422 Organizations <http://www.wiserearth.org/organization/>
> 19,979 People <http://www.wiserearth.org/user/active>
> 1,012 Groups <http://www.wiserearth.org/group/action/browse>
> 4,933 Resources <http://www.wiserearth.org/resource/>
>
> The website, which is primarily run by volunteers, has struggled for some
> time to develop cohesion but over the past few months has really picked up
> the pace and is now beginning to tackle an interface which was daunting ...
>
> We have now widdled down the Areas of Focus into about 10 and editors are
> being selected to oversee and manage content in each assigned AofF.
>
> The reason I suggest this for DDN is that one area ICT Afficianados
> /group/ICT <http://www.wiserearth.org/group/ICT> has already been somewhat
> built out  DDN could not only use this page as a homebase to carry on
> discusions but also to highlight organizations, connect with other
> organizations, and, with the expertise behind you, provide content to
> further develop the AofF.
>
> Just an idea as I said I've been 'lingering' and checking back in to WE
> for over a year now and in the past month have been very excited about the
> directed movement and growing participation here.
>
> Members of DDN could receive updates everytime something new is added to
> this listing by adding it to a 'watchlist' ...
>
> Deborah
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Andy Carvin  wrote:
>
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment.
> > Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I
> > work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions,
> > but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would
> > suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share
> > the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get
> them
> > set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for
> > NPR.
> >
> >
> > ac
> >
> > 
> > Andy Carvin
> > andycarvin at yahoo  com
> > www.andycarvin.com
> > www.pbs.org/learningnow
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message 
> > From: tom abeles 
> > To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
> >
> >
> > hmm, how long between submission and "approval" as in this just released
> > batch of postings.
> &g

Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Andy Carvin]

Does the DDN website (www.digitaldivide.net) and TakingITGlobal not count, 
Deborah?

 
Andy Carvin
andycarvin at yahoo  com
www.andycarvin.com
www.pbs.org/learningnow




- Original Message 
From: Deborah Phelan 
To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group 

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

haven't participated in this group for some time ... but have an alternative
suggestion.  a previous email suggested incorporating the group into
something larger  I've been working as a volunteer editor at
WiserEarth<http://www.wiserearth.org>,
an online database and community funded by Paul Hawken (Blessed Unrest)

serves the people who are transforming the world. It is a community
directory and networking forum that maps and connects non-governmental
organizations (NGOs), businesses, governments, and individuals addressing
the central issues of our day: climate change, poverty, the environment,
peace, water, hunger, social justice, conservation,

110,422 Organizations <http://www.wiserearth.org/organization/>
19,979 People <http://www.wiserearth.org/user/active>
1,012 Groups <http://www.wiserearth.org/group/action/browse>
4,933 Resources <http://www.wiserearth.org/resource/>

The website, which is primarily run by volunteers, has struggled for some
time to develop cohesion but over the past few months has really picked up
the pace and is now beginning to tackle an interface which was daunting ...

We have now widdled down the Areas of Focus into about 10 and editors are
being selected to oversee and manage content in each assigned AofF.

The reason I suggest this for DDN is that one area ICT Afficianados
/group/ICT <http://www.wiserearth.org/group/ICT> has already been somewhat
built out  DDN could not only use this page as a homebase to carry on
discusions but also to highlight organizations, connect with other
organizations, and, with the expertise behind you, provide content to
further develop the AofF.

Just an idea as I said I've been 'lingering' and checking back in to WE
for over a year now and in the past month have been very excited about the
directed movement and growing participation here.

Members of DDN could receive updates everytime something new is added to
this listing by adding it to a 'watchlist' ...

Deborah
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Andy Carvin  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment.
> Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I
> work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions,
> but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would
> suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share
> the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them
> set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for
> NPR.
>
>
> ac
>
> 
> Andy Carvin
> andycarvin at yahoo  com
> www.andycarvin.com
> www.pbs.org/learningnow
> 
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: tom abeles 
> To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
>
>
> hmm, how long between submission and "approval" as in this just released
> batch of postings.
>
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Re: [DDN] in search of volunteer moderators (was The future of DDN)

[Deborah Phelan]

haven't participated in this group for some time ... but have an alternative
suggestion.  a previous email suggested incorporating the group into
something larger  I've been working as a volunteer editor at
WiserEarth,
an online database and community funded by Paul Hawken (Blessed Unrest)

serves the people who are transforming the world. It is a community
directory and networking forum that maps and connects non-governmental
organizations (NGOs), businesses, governments, and individuals addressing
the central issues of our day: climate change, poverty, the environment,
peace, water, hunger, social justice, conservation,

110,422 Organizations 
19,979 People 
1,012 Groups 
4,933 Resources 

The website, which is primarily run by volunteers, has struggled for some
time to develop cohesion but over the past few months has really picked up
the pace and is now beginning to tackle an interface which was daunting ...

We have now widdled down the Areas of Focus into about 10 and editors are
being selected to oversee and manage content in each assigned AofF.

The reason I suggest this for DDN is that one area ICT Afficianados
/group/ICT  has already been somewhat
built out  DDN could not only use this page as a homebase to carry on
discusions but also to highlight organizations, connect with other
organizations, and, with the expertise behind you, provide content to
further develop the AofF.

Just an idea as I said I've been 'lingering' and checking back in to WE
for over a year now and in the past month have been very excited about the
directed movement and growing participation here.

Members of DDN could receive updates everytime something new is added to
this listing by adding it to a 'watchlist' ...

Deborah
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Andy Carvin  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> The problem is that there isn't an official moderator at the moment.
> Technically I'm not supposed to be moderating the list anymore because I
> work for NPR News and I can't be involved directly in policy discussions,
> but the moderating from TakingITGlobal sometimes runs behind. I would
> suggest that DDN members try to find three or four people who could share
> the moderating duties, and I'm sure the TIG folks would be happy to get them
> set up. Either way, I really shouldn't be doing it as long as I work for
> NPR.
>
>
> ac
>
> 
> Andy Carvin
> andycarvin at yahoo  com
> www.andycarvin.com
> www.pbs.org/learningnow
> 
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: tom abeles 
> To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:20:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
>
>
> hmm, how long between submission and "approval" as in this just released
> batch of postings.
>
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