Re: [DDN] explosion at Kabul cybercafe kills three

[John Hibbs]

At 11:21 AM -0400 5/8/05, Andy Carvin wrote:
John Hibbs wrote:
That is a grim reminder of the fierce nature of those who wish to 
return Afghans  -- and other Arabs - to 4th century barbarism.
Actually, Afghans aren't even closely related to Arabs, but that's a 
topic for another listserv. :-)
Yup. Sorry. I do know the difference. My text above should have 
read... "those who wish to society to return to 4th century 
barbarism."

Of course there will be a chilling effect as a result of the 
cybercafe bombing. And that chill might cause their economic demise 
-- if entirely privately funded. I believe they should be treated 
like libraries and schools.


This should not mean that there should be less cybercafes. If that 
logic would apply, police training would stop because the their 
facilities are targeted.

It would seem to me that the more innocents --such as those inside 
a cyber cafe - are killed, the greater would be the general resolve 
to take down the killers, as vs taking down the cafes.

From what I've read so far, it sounds like the attack occurred there 
because it's a gathering place for westerners working in Kabul. But 
I'm very concerned that it could lead to a targeted campaign against 
cybercafes and telecentres as they're places of open communication, 
knowledge and modernity - anathema to many extremists. This, in 
turn, could lead to a chilling effect - the closing of cybercafes 
and telecentres in the name of security - which would be a real 
shame...

ac
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RE: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

[John Hibbs]

At 1:07 PM -0700 5/7/05, Dr. Steve  Eskow wrote:
The telecenter that enriches one community that lead to a deepening of
discord and violence in the next one.
Poppycock.
Extremism is the source of the danger. If it is pointed at hospitals 
because that is where people gather, should we quit providing 
hospitals? If it is pointed at government centers, should we quit 
governance? Ditto for libraries, police and fire facilities, power 
plants, the university.

The telecenter, whether inside the home, the office or in a public us 
as cybercafe or 40 foot van should be seen part of the fabric of a 
harmonious society. As with the library, the hospital, the 
university, the power plant, it also needs to be protected.

Vaporous windbagging is not helpful in such defense.
--
John W. Hibbs

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[DDN] request for nominations: AO / Technorati Open Media 100

[Andy Carvin]

Hi everyone,
Technorati.com and the Always On Network are requesting nominations for 
what they're calling the Open Media 100. Quoting David Sifry, CEO of 
Technorati:

"With the AO/Technorati Open Media 100 list, we are honoring those 
individuals who are driving the proliferation of Open Media and 
leveraging the power of community, not an individual or a corporation. 
The purpose of the list is to provide a framework of this emerging 
industry. It will include the key players who are proving the impact of 
Open Media and building the infrastructures to facilitate it."

Nominations can be made in the following categories:
The Pioneers: industry luminaries who created the vision of open media 
and continue to shape it.

The Tool Smiths: web service entrepreneurs and companies building the 
open media tools (blogs, social software, wikis, RSS, analytic tools, etc.).

The Trendsetters: the influencers driving and evangelizing the adoption 
and applications of Open Media.

The Practitioners: the top bloggers in politics, business, technology, 
and media.

The Enablers: the venture capitalists and investors backing the Open 
Media Revolution.

I think it would be great if we got some digital divide advocates 
nominated for this list (maybe we should even push for the Digital 
Divide Network to be nominated for the Tool Smiths category, if I may be 
so bold.) So if anyone comes to mind, please feel free to nominate them.

There are two ways to nominate people. The first way is to go to 
http://www.sifry.com/alerts/archives/000311.html and post a comment that 
includes your nominations. The second is to post your nominations to 
your blog (if you have one) with the following tag included in the text:

http://www.technorati.com/tag/AOTechnorati100"; 
rel="tag">AOTechnorati100

I plan to post my nominations on my blog this afternoon, once I've had 
some time to think about it.

Nominations are due May 16, so get cracking! :-)
thanks,
andy
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[DDN] keeping things on-topic....

[Andy Carvin]

Hi everyone,
An admin request - please remember to keep the discussion on the digital 
divide side of this story. Like I joked in my reply to john, there are 
other lists more appropriate for debating Islamist extremism, US policy 
in Iraq, etc. So while I think it's important to be able to discuss the 
digital divide in war-torn parts of the world, let's keep it focused on 
the digital divide side of the story.

thanks for understanding,
andy
Andy Carvin wrote:

John Hibbs wrote:
That is a grim reminder of the fierce nature of those who wish to 
return Afghans  -- and other Arabs - to 4th century barbarism.

Actually, Afghans aren't even closely related to Arabs, but that's a 
topic for another listserv. :-)

This should not mean that there should be less cybercafes. If that 
logic would apply, police training would stop because the their 
facilities are targeted.

It would seem to me that the more innocents --such as those inside a 
cyber cafe - are killed, the greater would be the general resolve to 
take down the killers, as vs taking down the cafes.

 From what I've read so far, it sounds like the attack occurred there 
because it's a gathering place for westerners working in Kabul. But I'm 
very concerned that it could lead to a targeted campaign against 
cybercafes and telecentres as they're places of open communication, 
knowledge and modernity - anathema to many extremists. This, in turn, 
could lead to a chilling effect - the closing of cybercafes and 
telecentres in the name of security - which would be a real shame...

ac
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Re: [DDN] Want E-Gov? Pick Up the Phone (fwd)

[Kenan Jarboe]

Andy -- thanks for posting this.  Sometimes we forget how powerful the 
"old" technologies  (i.e. telephones) can be.  I think the thrust of this 
report is important -- "which electronic channels work best"  I would even 
drop the word "electronic".  Our goal is access to government information, 
services and decision-making -- through whatever means (channels) work best.

Ken


At 12:00 PM 5/6/2005, you wrote:
From GovTech.net, a UK story on achieving E-Government for All... -ac
Want E-Gov? Pick Up the Phone
In an attempt to find out which electronic channels work best for local 
governments -- and what local citizens think of the channels available for 
using e-government services -- the United Kingdom's Office of the Deputy 
Prime Minister conducted a study called the e-Citizen National Project.

"One piece of good news is that Britons seem to like the idea of being 
e-citizens. Few, however, have tried it," writes Michael Cross in The Guardian.

 The report highlights two groups of potential users -- the 
"progressives" include male, high-income earners with access to 
technology, and the "contenteds," who are happy with local government and 
comfortable with technology. But the report says these two groups need 
online government services the least, while the poor, minorities and 
other disenfranchised groups who need the services most aren't using 
them. That is partially because this segment of the population simply 
does not have access to the technology that Britain's local authorities 
want them to use when it comes to e-services. Nor do they particularly 
care to use computers to interact with government.

 Buried within the report is this fact: The most universal "e" channel in 
the UK is the telephone, to which 94 percent of the population has 
access. That percentage is about the same here in America."


http://www.govtech.net/magazine/channel_story.php?channel=17&id=93902
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Re: [DDN] explosion at Kabul cybercafe kills three

[Andy Carvin]

John Hibbs wrote:
That is a grim reminder of the fierce nature of those who wish to return 
Afghans  -- and other Arabs - to 4th century barbarism.
Actually, Afghans aren't even closely related to Arabs, but that's a 
topic for another listserv. :-)

This should not mean that there should be less cybercafes. If that logic 
would apply, police training would stop because the their facilities are 
targeted.

It would seem to me that the more innocents --such as those inside a 
cyber cafe - are killed, the greater would be the general resolve to 
take down the killers, as vs taking down the cafes.

From what I've read so far, it sounds like the attack occurred there 
because it's a gathering place for westerners working in Kabul. But I'm 
very concerned that it could lead to a targeted campaign against 
cybercafes and telecentres as they're places of open communication, 
knowledge and modernity - anathema to many extremists. This, in turn, 
could lead to a chilling effect - the closing of cybercafes and 
telecentres in the name of security - which would be a real shame...

ac
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Re: [DDN] best blog in tennessee - paul chenoweth

[Andy Carvin]

I've been enjoying Paul's posts as well, though I've had to seek his 
main blog rather than his ddn blog, since it's only capturing excerpts 
from his main blog, which is unfortunate. The blogNashville folks have 
also set up a mobcast for attendees, which has been fun to listen to. 
You can find it here:

http://speaknashvillespeak.blogspot.com/
ac
Phil Shapiro wrote:
hi DDN community -
   DDN member paul chenoweth came in for some honors recently. a web
developer and graduate education student, paul's blog, Chasing the
Dragon's Tale, was chosen as one of the best blogs in tennessee. 
that's quite some accomplishmeng.  blogging is to tennessee as
country music is to nashville. it's where the finest form of the
art can be found.

 http://tennesseebloggers.com/all_blogs.html
   http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/chenowethp
   paul has been covering the blognashville event on his blog.
i almost felt i was there reading his coverage of the
event.
 - phil
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Re: [DDN] explosion at Kabul cybercafe kills three

[John Hibbs]

That is a grim reminder of the fierce nature of those who wish to 
return Afghans  -- and other Arabs - to 4th century barbarism.

This should not mean that there should be less cybercafes. If that 
logic would apply, police training would stop because the their 
facilities are targeted.

It would seem to me that the more innocents --such as those inside a 
cyber cafe - are killed, the greater would be the general resolve to 
take down the killers, as vs taking down the cafes.

At 10:21 AM -0400 5/8/05, Andy Carvin wrote:
Our conversation this week about telecentres and Iraq was 
disturbingly prescient, based on this headline I just saw a moment 
ago on Yahoo News andy

Explosion at Kabul Internet Cafe Kills 3
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[DDN] explosion at Kabul cybercafe kills three

[Andy Carvin]

Our conversation this week about telecentres and Iraq was disturbingly 
prescient, based on this headline I just saw a moment ago on Yahoo 
News andy

Explosion at Kabul Internet Cafe Kills 3
A U.N. worker from Myanmar was among three people killed in a suicide 
attack at an Internet cafe in the Afghan capital, officials said Sunday, 
the latest in a string of attacks apparently targeting foreigners.

U.N. spokeswoman Ariane Quentier identified one of the victims from 
Saturday's blast as an employee of the U.N. Office for Project Services. 
She said the man was a Myanmar national, but didn't release his name.

"He was identified this morning and his family has been informed," 
Quentier said.

Afghan officials said earlier they believed that the only foreign victim 
in the attack on the Park Net Cafe in Kabul's upscale Shahr-e-Naw 
district was from the Philippines. But police said Sunday they were 
mistaken.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050508/ap_on_re_as/afghan_explosion
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[DDN] Webheads and the Digital Divide Network,

[John Hibbs]

At 9:23 PM -0700 5/7/05, Aiden Yeh wrote:
Vance Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Group cohesion is
when as a result of postings on a thread the group feels more like it's
heading in a common and positive direction.
I belong to far too many lists, the majority of which are in the 
education arena. The two best, by far, are Webheads 
 and The Digital Divide Network 


Of course I am biased because of my strongly held belief that English 
language instructors and those inside their classrooms are at the 
pointy edge of the shovels which can best reduce the Divide.

Nowhere is this belief better reinforced than by the many dozens of 
very smart Webheads (like Aiden Yeh) who use affordable technology in 
ways that are often completely uncommon with others in their part of 
the world.  My hat's off to them. It's also off with equal vigor to 
brilliant subscribers to DDN who are as varied as the one hundred or 
so countries from which they come. At first glance, the two groups 
have entirely different missions. But do they?

Here's my caveat. The one area that I think needs improvement is how 
both groups can get more attention?

My guess is that podcasting, satellite radio, community radio and the 
innovative spirits that are found in both groups are the main 
ingredients for wide publicity - and more money, accelerated results. 
Yet, both groups seem satisfied to reach a few hundred in their real 
time events and a few thousand in their electronic circulations.

I wish they would give more thought on how to reach millions.
Unfortunately, the recipe that will generate same has yet to be 
formulated -- much less baked. Ideas welcome.

John Hibbs
http://www.bfranklin.edu/johnhibbs
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Re: [DDN] Digital Divide, Telecentres and Iraq

[Taran Rampersad]

Mark Warschauer wrote:

>> Maybe we should start a 'Blogs for bombs' amnesty program, where
>> people trade bombs for a voice on the internet. While that may sound
>> stupid and perhaps facetious, it's a blind stab at part of the problem -
>> when people feel they must resort to violence, it is usually because
>> they do not believe that they are being heard.
>
>
> I would suggest, instead, that when people resort to violence, it is
> usually because they believe it is a means to achieve their ends.
> Political violence in Iraq today is mostly being organized and
> propagated by two groups: (1) ex-Baathists, who previously ran the
> entire country for their own economic and social privilege, and wish
> to return to such a state of affairs; and (2) extreme Islamists, who
> wish to impose a Taliban-style regime. I doubt if either of these
> groups will find blogs as a reasonable alternative to bombs. 

There's another side to this coin as well, and that's the whole point.
Even a troubled child lashes out for attention, and we don't paint them
as making political statements or enforcing a 'way of life'. When a
society does it, it is easy to say that they are bad and should be
killed. Some famous people in history have used this as a case for war.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution
inevitable." - John F. Kennedy, on Latin America. Now if we consider
that quote in a balanced way, either side isn't responsible as much as
*both* sides are responsible.

But maybe you're right. Maybe there are just a bunch of bad people in
the world. That seems a lot simpler to deal with. Whether it's right,
well... that's an issue that would require both sides communicating
without bullets. Ain't happening. And that, too, is the point.

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