Re: [DDN] 'Wikis' Offer Knowledge-Sharing Online
Students will quit submitting the works found on the Web when the chances are very good they will be easily caught. That's pretty easy given Google and other search engines into which a few suspicious words will generate the original source of the material. In the meantime, students who search the Web and use it constructively will enjoy nice benefits. At 11:30 PM -0400 9/30/04, Maria Cervone wrote: This is a good first thought for knowledge sharing. One word of caution, though: teachers are already struggling with a rampant problem of students purchasing term papers on the internet and turning them in as if it were their own work. If term papers were included in Wikipedia, it would make it all the more easy for students to cheat. I personally don't understand why a student would want to do so, as little knowledge is gained when the effort is minimal. Unfortunately all too many students haven't learned that yet... Maria Cervone masters student School of Information University of Michigan -- John W. Hibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bfranklin.edu/johnhibbs About Global Learn Day http://www.bfranklin.edu/gldd Eugene, Oregon, USA TEL: +1 541 343 9389 cell +1 541 337 4233 ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] 'Wikis' Offer Knowledge-Sharing Online
This is a good first thought for knowledge sharing. One word of caution, though: teachers are already struggling with a rampant problem of students purchasing term papers on the internet and turning them in as if it were their own work. If term papers were included in Wikipedia, it would make it all the more easy for students to cheat. I personally don't understand why a student would want to do so, as little knowledge is gained when the effort is minimal. Unfortunately all too many students haven't learned that yet... Maria Cervone masters student School of Information University of Michigan On Sep 30, 2004, at 4:40 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: My first thought would be for term papers that students write to be published on Wiki - so students can (in any discipline) do research on a topic, and write the paper/entry - correct any errors that the teacher finds, and then create the entry on the Wikipedia. Given the number of term papers that are written by students worldwide, we'd get a lot of content very quickly. Then they'd also be sharing the knowledge that they have gained. Jacqueline A. Morris ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] 'Wikis' Offer Knowledge-Sharing Online
Maria Cervone wrote: This is a good first thought for knowledge sharing. One word of caution, though: teachers are already struggling with a rampant problem of students purchasing term papers on the internet and turning them in as if it were their own work. If term papers were included in Wikipedia, it would make it all the more easy for students to cheat. I personally don't understand why a student would want to do so, as little knowledge is gained when the effort is minimal. Unfortunately all too many students haven't learned that yet... My personal thought is that the education system generally has a culture of 'passing' instead of 'learning'. This isn't to demean the work of some really good professionals out there - rather, it's an observation of a problem that professionals encounter. Too often when I taught I was asked, What do I need to do to pass?. When I responded, Learn, I got quite a few blank looks. My view is that even if a course is failed, the student should take something from it. Of course, administration tends to view things differently, since the priorities are different... and I wonder if consistently we have not made administration a priority in education. There's a lot of money spent in academia, but this money tends to go toward administratia - buildings, desks, computers, classrooms, etc... not much actually goes into the curriculum. We measure learning by certificates... to get these certificates, students have to pass so can we fault them for simply focusing on passing? Looking back, I was always at odds with the curriculum. All the cool stuff wasn't on it. It was dry and dull... academia seemed like a tomb (and this was over 10 years ago). I guess this is why I have my 6 year old niece building Pascal's triangle. It isn't homework... but using her basic math skills (and reinforcing them), she's building something of 'her own'. Wait until I help her discover some of the cool stuff she can do with it :-) Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxgazette.com http://www.a42.com http://www.worldchanging.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.easylum.net It requires greater courage to preserve inner freedom, to move on in one's inward journey into new realms, than to stand defiantly for outer freedom. Rollo May ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] 'Wikis' Offer Knowledge-Sharing Online
Audrey Borus wrote: Taran-- bravo. Well put. There is a raging debate in higher ed too about accepting any web content. It's foolish IMHO. As as come up over and over again--good research requires a variety of sources. Thank you. Comments for and against the Wikipedia caused me to write this, which I think is actually better: Standing On The Shoulders of Giants: http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/001293.html#more -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxgazette.com http://www.a42.com http://www.worldchanging.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.easylum.net It requires greater courage to preserve inner freedom, to move on in one's inward journey into new realms, than to stand defiantly for outer freedom. Rollo May ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] 'Wikis' Offer Knowledge-Sharing Online
Christopher Foster wrote: . . . Most of the people who work on Wikipedia are white, male technocrats from the US and Europe. They're especially knowledgeable about certain subjects - technology, science fiction, libertarianism, life in the US/Europe - and tend to write about these subjects. As a result, the resource tends to be extremely deep on technical topics and shallow in other areas. I think this problem will correct itself over time. I think it reflects the development of content on the WWW. When the web was young, most of the content was oriented towards the hard sciences. For instance I searched for Alports Syndrome and got one hit. A few years later, the same search provided almost 500 hits. The sites available covered treatment, history, support groups and related diseases. It took awhile for the social sciences and general public to become aware of the web and to exploit it. We're seeing the same thing with Wikipedia. Personally, I think it is a great educational resource. It offers students the opportunity to do real work, make a real contribution to society. The jargon is authentic assessment. Language arts teachers have a source of text for editing and discussing grammar. At senior levels, the discussion could get into accessible text and global language. Social studies students can either add to or correct existing articles or create entries describing their communities. Students in other disciplines can add entries, verify facts and add references. While elementary and secondary students may not be expert in any field, they can become expert about a particular entry or portion thereof. On a more esoteric level, students can learn what it means to become part of a learning community. The Wikipedia community has guidelines, expectations, and sanctions. This will aid their entry into any community in which they wish to pursue their vocational or avocational goals. This is important to me, because I believe that the purpose of education should be to help students acquire the skills, knowledge, and attitudes needed to be a part of the communities in which they pursue their goals. The article One Child -- Many Communities: Recasting the Purpose of Education at http://www.ecn.ab.ca/~ljp/edarticles/onechild.htm -- Larry Phillips FutureCraft http://www.ecn.ab.ca/~ljp Quantum 2000: Education for Today and Tomorrow http://www.ecn.ab.ca/quantum Alberta Consumers' Association http://www.ecn.ab.ca/consumer Conversations about education Ed Conversation mailing list http://www.topica.com/lists/edconversation/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
RE: [DDN] 'Wikis' Offer Knowledge-Sharing Online
My first thought would be for term papers that students write to be published on Wiki - so students can (in any discipline) do research on a topic, and write the paper/entry - correct any errors that the teacher finds, and then create the entry on the Wikipedia. Given the number of term papers that are written by students worldwide, we'd get a lot of content very quickly. Then they'd also be sharing the knowledge that they have gained. Jacqueline A. Morris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2004 11:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] 'Wikis' Offer Knowledge-Sharing Online First of all, it is a joy to learn from you and to know about all of these new technologies. I keep learning and catching up. I was impressed by what Andy shared with us. I looked at Noah's , statement.. and thought How do we invite, attract, explain and involve teachers in meaningful ways in this conversation? What is the gateway to this material for use in schools? Pros and cons. I did note that few women were involved in this great conversation. . I may have missed it, ie how do we share to inform teachers of Wikis ie best practices in using them?. I have a lot of time most of the time. How do we create enough time for teachers to explore, evaluate, add, augment, and try out these new practices? With the current policies in education, how do we allow, create , share possibilities for educational use in this very NCLB testing , memorization era? Teachers want to know. Andy said...that Tim Berners Lee said... What I'd like to see happen: I'd like to see lots of curricula like the MIT open courseware initiative being picked up by K-12 The tricky thing is that when you try to put down things like encyclopedia articles, like Wikipedia, you really need to keep education materials sown together. So I'd love to see a student be able to fly through this courseware, maybe in 3-D, following his or her interests. I know it takes a huge amount of efforts to keep these things [like Wikipedia and the Open Courseware Project] up to date, and I'd like to see teachers help contribute to it There are some amazing projects out there.. so how do we share with teachers? With whose permission? Students can work together when they can interact with simulations, with teachers, but particularly with each other. And for that we need lots of tools, lots of standards, lots of technology. There's lots of work to do out there Bugscope http://bugscope.beckman.uiuc.edu/ The Bugscope project is an educational outreach program for K-12 classrooms. The project provides a resource to classrooms so that they may remotely operate a scanning electron microscope to image bugs at high magnification. The microscope is remotely controlled in real time from a classroom computer over the Internet using a web browser. Bugscope provides a state-of-the-art microscope resource for teachers that can be readily integrated into classroom activities. The classroom has ownership of the project - they design their own experiment and provide their own bugs to be imaged in the microscope. The Bugscope project is primarily oriented towards K-12 classrooms and there is no cost to participate in the project. Some of the work is involving teachers in meaningful practice in education with professional development and support.. see www.eot.org EOT-PACI Projects These projects are undertaken by and in association with partners of the Education, Outreach and Training Partnership for Advanced Computational Infrastructure (EOT-PACI). With an emphasis on how projects may be used by students, teachers, science and engineering professionals, government planners and the general public, EOT-PACI invites everyone to take advantage of the wide variety of useful tools, resources, workshops and technological know-how generated by the more than thirty collaborating organizations of EOT-PACI. Biology Student Workbench http://www.eot.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=print pa geartid=7 The Biology Workbench is widely recognized as a significant bioinformatics resource that provides a suite of interactive tools which draw on a host of biology databases and allows people to compare molecular sequences using high performance computing facilities, visualize and manipulate molecular structures, and generate phylogenetic hypotheses. ChemSense ChemSense is an NSF-funded research project to examine the impact of representational tools, chemical investigations, and classroom discourse on chemistry learning. http://www.eot.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewa rt icleartid=10 First a conversation needs to be started about linking technology people with teachers and some kind of time sharing and understanding. I saw Tim Berners Lee at WSIS
Re: [DDN] 'Wikis' Offer Knowledge-Sharing Online
We have always had levels of publishing, some involving peer review, others editorial over-sight, and some with outright control and censorship. And then there has always been the corner pub and the gathering around the water fountain. The need for informational gatekeepers is clear enough for libraries and the news media where people come in the belief that the information has some level of integrity. To a degree, it relieves us of the responsibility [or we like to think it does..] for critical thought.But... We all know that with that claim of integrity comes idealogical spin, perhaps unintentional and benign, but there none the less. And, there is of course the problem of access. Anyone can be a consumer, but it can be pretty difficult to get your published thoughts past the gatekeepers, and there are voices that don't get heard. Freedom of thought and expression is only one piece of the divide; without a communication channel that works for everyone, we end up talking [in vain] to ourselves. Wikis, Blogs, and whatever comes next, INMHO, are of great value specifically because they are accessible tools for communication to - everyone -. They are an excellent example of technology used to bridge the divide. If teen agers and thought-challenged adults get exposed to unfiltered information and have to develop critical thinking skills, perhaps that's a good thing. . Thomas A Webb http://www.ospueblo.com - Open Source and Educational Resources http://wordwonder.com - For Readers and Thinkers Taran Rampersad wrote: Perhaps, with such worry, people who are thought qualified will contribute and assist in this instead of criticizing it. This has always made me wonder what the real issue is - it's as simple as getting involved. But I suppose change is something that - despite always happening - causes problems for some. But anyone who criticizes the Wikipedia is in good company: ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
