Re: xxxInPlace or xxxCopy?
Is it ok to use: In place: trim( string ) replace( string, from, to ) or Copy: trim( string, outstring ) replace( string, from, to, outstring )
Re: Is D not-for-profit or not?!
"Jonathan M Davis" a écrit Why are you trying to change the meaning of Open Source ? Open Source comes with principles. It comes with a spirit. It about freedom. It's about *freely* sharing knowledge, tools, ... It does not come for more rights for the one who started distributing the knowledge. AFAIK, D is not a trademarked language. So everybody can produce a compiler for it. DMD is Digital Mars D. The Digital Mars implementation of D. Digital Mars is the vendor of this compiler. See: enum Vendor; Master list of D compiler vendors. DigitalMars Digital Mars const Vendor vendor : Which vendor produced this compiler. DMD is not Open Source. The backend licence is not an open source license. There is zero souce code for snn.lib (which is a part of DMD). > > D is a programming language. There's nothing about D which would be for profit or > not for profit. You don't sell a programming language. > > The compilers could be for profit if they were sold, but they aren't. All of them > are open source, with the only snag being that the license for dmd's backend is > such that you can see the source but not copy it and change it and whatnot. The > frontend is entirely open source however, and both gdc and LDC are entirely open > source. Regardless, they're all free to download and use. > > You can probably buy enterprise support for dmd from Digital Mars like you can > with dmc, but I don't know anything about that, and that's buying support not > software. > > It really doesn't make sense to ask whether D is for profit or not. Yes it does. Because one must look at the spirit. Not at the words. When we talk about "D". We talk of the whole. It's not about the 4th letter of the alphabet. Open Source community will glady help a truely Open Source Project. D has it's place there. A lot of individuals has worked very very hard to get there place under the Sun. They are trying to create a world where there is collaboration and no competition. Every body is welcomed to join the efforts. > Programming languages aren't for profit. Their tools may be, but you don't > buy or rent programming languages, so asking whether D is for profit or > not really doesn't make any sense. > > - Jonathan M Davis
Re: Is D not-for-profit or not?!
> I think you're mixing up "Open Source" with "Free Software". No. Aren't you mixing up free with $ ? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source and read some of the history of the FSF. There are free (0 $) products/software that comes with no source and a little freedom. Some vendors associate free with 0$, an solely with $. By doing this, they put a price on freedom. Freedom begins by free. There is a reason for this. Exchanging money is a legitimate way of exchanging energy. Problems arise when this is the only way of exchange. I think Walter is making an effort to go Open Source. His intentions are not clear to the mass because he never expressed them. He may not be at ease to do so. He sure did within the inner circle of D. Look around. The world is becoming open. There was a time, when Open Source was not invented, when giving away "source code", would have been viewed as a crime, a friend of mine, gaved me the source code of a fortran compiler. That source code camed on microfilm. I was so excited. In a state of joy. I read all of it with a a microscope! I learned. I shared.
Re: Unilink - alternative linker for win32/64, DMD OMF extensions?
> Making optlink open source won't make any difference. Few are skilled at > asm anymore, and likely none of them would want to work on optlink for > free. That's true. But the real problem is not optlink. Optlink is a very good linker. The problem is OMF. 11 years ago OMF was a good choice. But not anymore. I know you are a competent (probably very competent) compiler writer. You modified D on linux, so it produce ELF. How much time would that take to modify DMD so it produce COFF ? Given all the bad publicity OMF gives to D, it should be viewed as a good choice. There are many (not much), but there are open source linkers. Of course ld is not as fast as optlink, but it's good. And there is a faster version made by the project Ultimate++ IDE. Going to COFF would have a lot of advantages for everybody and for D. Do you agree ?
Re: Unilink - alternative linker for win32/64, DMD OMF extensions?
> > Changing the object module format is not sufficient. The symbolic debug > info would have to be changed (and Microsoft's is undocumented) and then > there's the dependency on Microsoft's C runtime library if linking with VC > generated object files. I found some doc there: http://pierrelib.pagesperso-orange.fr/exec_formats/index.html Microsoft Symbol and Type Information By TIS / Microsoft. Entry added 12/28/2004. Keywords: ms, symbol, type, info File: MS_Symbol_Type_v1.0.pdf « This document describes Microsoft Symbol and Type Information, a debugging information format fromMicrosoft Corporation for the 32-bit Windows environment. » There is also some doc on the MSDN CD that comes with Visual C++ 6.0.
WALK32 - An open source omf linker
I found this: SBS WALK32 Win32 Assembly Language Kit Version 1.00 there: http://www.programmersheaven.com/download/355/download.aspx The file WALK32_1.zip contains the source code (in asm) of a 32 bits OMF linker. May be it can help...
Re: dmd's c-source file analyze to json file ?
Is this more understandable: I think he wants to know what part of DMD produce the json output. He wants to know how is implemented the production of the Json file. He wants to extract the code/function responsible for the production of json and reuse this code in an IDE. May be he wants to study this code to learn how to parse D source code (or other language source code), to produce a json file, in order to more easily implement the auto-complete feature for an IDE. Well, that was hard to explain. English is not my native language. "Jonathan M Davis" a écrit dans le message de news: mailman.1976.1298678829.4748.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... On Friday, February 25, 2011 15:11:54 dolive wrote: > Jonathan M Davis дµ½: > > On Friday, February 25, 2011 09:35:09 dolive wrote: > > > How to dmd's c-source file analyze to json file ? > > > thank's! > > > > I think that you're going to have to reword that. I have no idea what > > you're asking for. > > > > - Jonathan M Davis > > I want to use it to do ide's auto-complete. Okay. Use what? You're asking something about a one of dmd's source files in relation to a json file. But your question is poor enough English that I don't understand what you're asking about. It's something to do with dmd's source and json, but I don't know what. I understand that English can be difficult if it's not your native language, but your question still needs to be good enough English for me to understand it. And it's not. So, you need to reword your question in a clearer manner. All I understand is that you're trying to do something with an IDE's auto-completion feature that somehow involves a C source file for dmd and a json file. That's not enough for me to understand what your question really is. - Jonathan M Davis
