Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
On Monday, 1 September 2014 at 20:02:41 UTC, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 19:49 +, Chris via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] True, true. Most people don't realize / care about how all this stuff affects them. In fact, your average iPhone user will be quite happy with the corporate prison, as long as they can watch the latest shit on youtube. If it was an A-list celebrity having a sh!t, I suspect a lot of people would make a very serious amount of dosh. Apologies for the apparent cynicism, but it is really just reality (television) sinking home. No worries, you're not being cynical. The word 'cynicism' is often used wrongly. It is usually used to shut up those who raise critical questions. And it's usually the real cynics who use this strategy. You are just being sarcastic in your comments. And sarcasm usually means that someone does care, albeit s/he might be a bit frustrated. In fact, if you were cynical, you wouldn't even bother to write these comments, you wouldn't give a damn any more. The guys who wrote Arbeit macht frei (Work makes (you) free) over the entrances to various concentration camps were cynical. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynicism_%28contemporary%29#Overview
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 17:05:40 UTC, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Fri, 2014-08-29 at 11:44 +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership#National_sovereignty_and_Investor_State_Dispute_Settlements_.28ISDS.29 I don't want to live on this planet anymore _ ..yet again. But we have to! In a sense this is just the multinational corporations doing what they should do create a market to maximize shareholder value. Sadly it is an indirect return to a feudal system on a massive scale. ... The core problem here is that most politicians are directly or indirectly reporting to these corporations as much as to the voters. I believe this is not the core problem. Core one is that people in general don't care much about those issue and consider many of those attempts perfectly legitimate. It is an education and cultural issue in the first place. You can block few really bad laws by creating enough fuss about it in media but this takes quite an effort. And all they need to do is to push the very same law later under different name, no risk here. What is even more frustrating the very same people will feel freaking smart by calling you paranoid and pretending that are reasonable pragmatical persons and you are some tin foil hat geek. It is not just the corporations we need to fight but established mass attituded successfully endorsed by those corporations. And _this_ really sucks.
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
On Monday, 1 September 2014 at 16:38:23 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Saturday, 30 August 2014 at 17:05:40 UTC, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Fri, 2014-08-29 at 11:44 +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership#National_sovereignty_and_Investor_State_Dispute_Settlements_.28ISDS.29 I don't want to live on this planet anymore _ ..yet again. But we have to! In a sense this is just the multinational corporations doing what they should do create a market to maximize shareholder value. Sadly it is an indirect return to a feudal system on a massive scale. ... The core problem here is that most politicians are directly or indirectly reporting to these corporations as much as to the voters. I believe this is not the core problem. Core one is that people in general don't care much about those issue and consider many of those attempts perfectly legitimate. It is an education and cultural issue in the first place. You can block few really bad laws by creating enough fuss about it in media but this takes quite an effort. And all they need to do is to push the very same law later under different name, no risk here. What is even more frustrating the very same people will feel freaking smart by calling you paranoid and pretending that are reasonable pragmatical persons and you are some tin foil hat geek. It is not just the corporations we need to fight but established mass attituded successfully endorsed by those corporations. And _this_ really sucks. True, true. Most people don't realize / care about how all this stuff affects them. In fact, your average iPhone user will be quite happy with the corporate prison, as long as they can watch the latest shit on youtube.
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 19:49 +, Chris via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] True, true. Most people don't realize / care about how all this stuff affects them. In fact, your average iPhone user will be quite happy with the corporate prison, as long as they can watch the latest shit on youtube. If it was an A-list celebrity having a sh!t, I suspect a lot of people would make a very serious amount of dosh. Apologies for the apparent cynicism, but it is really just reality (television) sinking home. -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
Am Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:08:29 +0100 schrieb Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com: Jérôme, On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 11:53 +0200, Jérôme M. Berger via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] PPS: IANAL but I have had lots of contacts with patent lawyers and I have taken part in several patent disputes as an expert witness. However, this was in France so most of my knowledge applies to French law and things may be different in the US. Are you tracking the new EU unitary patent and TTIP activity? We need to make sure the US does impose on the EU the same insane patent framework the US has. Haha :*). Don't worry, we EU citizens are more concerned about the issues of privacy, food regulations and corporate entities suing states for changing laws that cause them profit losses. A rubber stamping patent system without professionals investigating the claims has already been established years ago. All in all I am not too worried about TTIP anymore, seeing that the US reps didn't move in all the years of negotiations. With NGOs running against TTIP and an overall negative public stance I don't see it being bent over the knee. -- Marco signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
On Sun, 2014-08-31 at 09:35 +0200, Marco Leise via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] Haha :*). Don't worry, we EU citizens are more concerned about the issues of privacy, food regulations and corporate entities suing states for changing laws that cause them profit losses. This is certainly the major issue against TTIP as far as the UK Greens are concerned. Government passes law for voters good. Company doesn't like it because it ruins their income stream, sues government for loss of income. Due to TTIP, government loses. Tobacco companies are going to love this. A rubber stamping patent system without professionals investigating the claims has already been established years ago. The EU patent office yes, but not the UK one. The issue here is to stop the EU patent office becoming the only one. There is a very serious strategy issue here and it isn't a done deal thankfully. All in all I am not too worried about TTIP anymore, seeing that the US reps didn't move in all the years of negotiations. With NGOs running against TTIP and an overall negative public stance I don't see it being bent over the knee. TTIP and CETA are still very serious issues so people should continue to worry. Even if there is negative public opinion, the politicians will ram it through on the grounds they are the elected representatives, even though in reality they are doing it because their corporate paymasters of the future tell them to. In the UK the government are using the Scottish independence referendum as a smoke screen to avoid TTIP becoming news. This is a clear indicator it is bad for voters. -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
On Fri, 2014-08-29 at 11:44 +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership#National_sovereignty_and_Investor_State_Dispute_Settlements_.28ISDS.29 I don't want to live on this planet anymore _ ..yet again. But we have to! In a sense this is just the multinational corporations doing what they should do create a market to maximize shareholder value. Sadly it is an indirect return to a feudal system on a massive scale. Today in the UK was a big day of 38 Degrees and The Green Party trying to create public consciousness of the issues. The Conservative and LibDems here are just up for signing TTIP because of the good bits (of which there are some), The Greens are against because of all the bits that are bad for UK voters and UK society (of which there are many, many). Labour are saying they both support and don't support it. The core problem here is that most politicians are directly or indirectly reporting to these corporations as much as to the voters. -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
Am 29.08.2014 04:15, schrieb Dicebot: On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 02:10:57 UTC, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: Jérôme, On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 11:53 +0200, Jérôme M. Berger via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] PPS: IANAL but I have had lots of contacts with patent lawyers and I have taken part in several patent disputes as an expert witness. However, this was in France so most of my knowledge applies to French law and things may be different in the US. Are you tracking the new EU unitary patent and TTIP activity? We need to make sure the US does impose on the EU the same insane patent framework the US has. Any links to quickly get into the topic? This is first time I hear about it. What's really bad is that there is also CETA, which is an agreement between the EU and Canada, and which is nothing than an inconspicuous back door to achieve much of the same thing as TTIP. Unfortunately it has gotten basically no media attention at all (at least in Germany, TTIP has been mentioned several times at least), despite being ratified soon, and despite its potentially far reaching consequences for the western society in general. You can get an overview on Wikipedia. Apart from the patent system and several environmental unifications, an especially concerning part is ISDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership#National_sovereignty_and_Investor_State_Dispute_Settlements_.28ISDS.29
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 10:30:49 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote: What's really bad is that there is also CETA, which is an agreement between the EU and Canada, and which is nothing than an inconspicuous back door to achieve much of the same thing as TTIP. Unfortunately it has gotten basically no media attention at all (at least in Germany, TTIP has been mentioned several times at least), despite being ratified soon, and despite its potentially far reaching consequences for the western society in general. You can get an overview on Wikipedia. Apart from the patent system and several environmental unifications, an especially concerning part is ISDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership#National_sovereignty_and_Investor_State_Dispute_Settlements_.28ISDS.29 I don't want to live on this planet anymore _ ..yet again.
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
Any links to quickly get into the topic? This is first time I hear about it. What's really bad is that there is also CETA, which is an agreement between the EU and Canada, and which is nothing than an inconspicuous back door to achieve much of the same thing as TTIP. Unfortunately it has gotten basically no media attention at all (at least in Germany, TTIP has been mentioned several times at least), despite being ratified soon, and despite its potentially far reaching consequences for the western society in general. You can get an overview on Wikipedia. Apart from the patent system and several environmental unifications, an especially concerning part is ISDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership#National_sovereignty_and_Investor_State_Dispute_Settlements_.28ISDS.29 The Süddeutsche Zeitung has an interesting series on the topic (unfortunately German only): http://www.sueddeutsche.de/thema/TTIP-Recherche There is also http://stop-ttip.org .
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
Jérôme, On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 11:53 +0200, Jérôme M. Berger via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] PPS: IANAL but I have had lots of contacts with patent lawyers and I have taken part in several patent disputes as an expert witness. However, this was in France so most of my knowledge applies to French law and things may be different in the US. Are you tracking the new EU unitary patent and TTIP activity? We need to make sure the US does impose on the EU the same insane patent framework the US has. -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] EU patents [was Microsoft filled patent applications for scoped and immutable types]
On Friday, 29 August 2014 at 02:10:57 UTC, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: Jérôme, On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 11:53 +0200, Jérôme M. Berger via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] PPS: IANAL but I have had lots of contacts with patent lawyers and I have taken part in several patent disputes as an expert witness. However, this was in France so most of my knowledge applies to French law and things may be different in the US. Are you tracking the new EU unitary patent and TTIP activity? We need to make sure the US does impose on the EU the same insane patent framework the US has. Any links to quickly get into the topic? This is first time I hear about it.
