Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
"Peter Alexander" wrote: Almost everyone in the games industry knows that C++ is a rubbish language. When I talk about D programming language to somebody, I prefer avoiding this sort of argumentation entirely. -- Jouko
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
On 13/08/11 6:26 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Peter Alexander" wrote in message news:j23r6m$1nlj$1...@digitalmars.com... The conversation wouldn't get to tools. It would end with a simple reply: "Everyone here knows C++, no one knows D. All our code is written in C++ and it works." Any sentence involving the phrases "C++" and "it works" needs to be appended with something like "...sort of" or "...barely". Also, nobody knows C++. Many people use it. But it's not really possible to actually know it. To misquote Cleveland Brown out of context: "You never win. You just do a little better every time." Almost everyone in the games industry knows that C++ is a rubbish language. They don't choose it because they think it's good, they choose it because: - It's what everyone in the games industry knows. - It gives you enough control over the hardware. - All the libraries, tools and SDKs are built around it. - The abstractions it provides are "good enough" to get things done without too much of a performance penalty. How "good" a language is *rarely* has any impact on the decision to use it.
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
On Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:49:43 Jouko Koski wrote: > "Nick Sabalausky" wrote: > > Any sentence involving the phrases "C++" and "it works" needs to be > > appended with something like "...sort of" or "...barely". > > When I talk about D programming language to somebody, I prefer avoiding this > sort of tone entirely. Not to mention, if you're trying to get a C++ programmer to try D, odds are that they don't think that C++ is junk. There's almost certainly stuff about it which they don't like or wish were improved, but they're almost certainly not going to think that C++ is junk or that it only works "sort of" or "barely." C++ works extremely well for a lot of stuff, which is why it's used for a lot of stuff. It has lot of issues too, and it's understandable if someone doesn't want to use it, but odds are that someone who uses C++ on a regular basis - _especially_ if they use it by choice - is not going to think all that badly of it. Honestly, if you're trying to get someone to try D, you're going to need to talk about D's good points, _not_ why the language that you're trying to get them to drop is junk. That's likely to just make them defensive and not listen to you. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
"Nick Sabalausky" wrote: Any sentence involving the phrases "C++" and "it works" needs to be appended with something like "...sort of" or "...barely". When I talk about D programming language to somebody, I prefer avoiding this sort of tone entirely. -- Jouko
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
"Peter Alexander" wrote in message news:j23r6m$1nlj$1...@digitalmars.com... > > The conversation wouldn't get to tools. It would end with a simple reply: > "Everyone here knows C++, no one knows D. All our code is written in C++ > and it works." > Any sentence involving the phrases "C++" and "it works" needs to be appended with something like "...sort of" or "...barely". Also, nobody knows C++. Many people use it. But it's not really possible to actually know it. To misquote Cleveland Brown out of context: "You never win. You just do a little better every time."
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
On 12/08/11 3:27 PM, Paulo Pinto wrote: I hope you will have good arguments when they start speaking about available tooling for C++ vs D. Specially about the all the platforms Crytek supports. "Marco Leise" wrote in message news:op.vzz7f9b29y6...@dslb-088-070-152-209.pools.arcor-ip.net... Am 10.08.2011, 10:20 Uhr, schrieb Stephan: On 09.08.2011 18:52, Trass3r wrote: Hi perhaps there is a chance to talk about D in the game industry ?! I will be there. Convince Crytek to switch to D ;) I will do my best :) -Stephan Start by asking what programming language they use. C++? Oh rly? Then ask them what they like and don't like about it. And when they feel really pity about their current situation with C++ you drop an innocent side-note about how you use D and how arrays, templates and other stuff works there. Also if you meet the founders there talking about what a wonderful city Istanbul is may get you a foot in the door. The conversation wouldn't get to tools. It would end with a simple reply: "Everyone here knows C++, no one knows D. All our code is written in C++ and it works."
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
I hope you will have good arguments when they start speaking about available tooling for C++ vs D. Specially about the all the platforms Crytek supports. "Marco Leise" wrote in message news:op.vzz7f9b29y6...@dslb-088-070-152-209.pools.arcor-ip.net... > Am 10.08.2011, 10:20 Uhr, schrieb Stephan : > >> On 09.08.2011 18:52, Trass3r wrote: Hi perhaps there is a chance to talk about D in the game industry ?! I will be there. >>> >>> Convince Crytek to switch to D ;) >> >> I will do my best :) >> >> >> -Stephan > > Start by asking what programming language they use. C++? Oh rly? Then ask > them what they like and don't like about it. And when they feel really > pity about their current situation with C++ you drop an innocent side-note > about how you use D and how arrays, templates and other stuff works there. > Also if you meet the founders there talking about what a wonderful city > Istanbul is may get you a foot in the door.
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
"Marco Leise" wrote in message
news:op.vzz7f9b29y6...@dslb-088-070-152-209.pools.arcor-ip.net...
> Am 10.08.2011, 10:20 Uhr, schrieb Stephan :
>
>> On 09.08.2011 18:52, Trass3r wrote:
Hi perhaps there is a chance to talk about D in the game industry ?!
I will be there.
>>>
>>> Convince Crytek to switch to D ;)
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>> I will do my best :)
>>
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>> -Stephan
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> Start by asking what programming language they use. C++? Oh rly? Then ask
> them what they like and don't like about it. And when they feel really
> pity about their current situation with C++ you drop an innocent side-note
> about how you use D and how arrays, templates and other stuff works there.
> Also if you meet the founders there talking about what a wonderful city
> Istanbul is may get you a foot in the door.
That's actually very similar to an approach I've heard about ("LEAP" -
"Listen Empathize Agree Partner") for dealing with patients of psychological
disorders that involve denial (addiction, schizophrenia, etc...).
I suppose you could consider liking C++ a psychological disorder ;)
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
Am 10.08.2011, 10:20 Uhr, schrieb Stephan : On 09.08.2011 18:52, Trass3r wrote: Hi perhaps there is a chance to talk about D in the game industry ?! I will be there. Convince Crytek to switch to D ;) I will do my best :) -Stephan Start by asking what programming language they use. C++? Oh rly? Then ask them what they like and don't like about it. And when they feel really pity about their current situation with C++ you drop an innocent side-note about how you use D and how arrays, templates and other stuff works there. Also if you meet the founders there talking about what a wonderful city Istanbul is may get you a foot in the door.
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
On 09.08.2011 18:52, Trass3r wrote: Hi perhaps there is a chance to talk about D in the game industry ?! I will be there. Convince Crytek to switch to D ;) I will do my best :) -Stephan
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
Hi perhaps there is a chance to talk about D in the game industry ?! I will be there. Convince Crytek to switch to D ;)
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
On 09.08.2011 17:49, Jesse Phillips wrote: Stephan Wrote: Hi perhaps there is a chance to talk about D in the game industry ?! I will be there. Anyone else ? -Stephan While not what you asked for, you may be interested in the D Bits blog, http://www.gamedev.net/blog/1140-d-bits/ Yup I am following it closely :) -Stephan
Re: Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
Stephan Wrote: > Hi perhaps there is a chance to talk about D in the game industry ?! > > I will be there. Anyone else ? > > > > -Stephan While not what you asked for, you may be interested in the D Bits blog, http://www.gamedev.net/blog/1140-d-bits/
Any D developer at GDC europe next week ?
Hi perhaps there is a chance to talk about D in the game industry ?! I will be there. Anyone else ? -Stephan
