Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 21:53:51 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 20:15:07 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Tuesday, June 05, 2018 15:09:56 Dejan Lekic via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: >> Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it >> anywhere close to the top 20. >> >> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31 > > Top comment is kind of depressing. The right place to look is https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ I agree with other comments regarding TIOBE - they are constantly changing how they do statistics so they are not relevant source at all. Just look where Kotlin is there and that should pretty much tell you everything. I know at least 10 large companies that are moving from Java/Scala to Kotlin, yet Kotlin is at the bottom 50 table... Ridiculous... The TIOBE has never been a measurement of how much any given language is used. At best, it's been a measurement of which languages folks have been searching for. That can tell you something, but you have to understand what it's measuring to have any clue what it does tell you. And of course, because of how difficult it is to measure search results for a particular language, they keep changing their criteria. The result is that while the tiobe index may be interesting, it must be taken with a very large grain of salt - and that's without getting into any discussions of how valid it is or isn't to use search results from google to do the measuring. - Jonathan M Davis And all of the other metrics done by other groups that was provided that paints a similar picture? http://githut.info/ http://pypl.github.io/PYPL.html http://sogrady-media.redmonk.com/sogrady/files/2018/03/lang.rank_.118.png https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-2017-top-programming-languages https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2016 I'm not really intending to crap on anyone here. It's just the dismissal of a collection of data all pointing towards one particular conclusion is a bit strange. It seems like the interest in D is going down not up. I mean it could have a renaissance, but I'd imagine some work would have to be put into that to make it happen. The first link shows D having more repos. The third doesn't show changes in language popularity over time. I can't find any info about D usage over time in the other three links. The Stack Overflow survey isn't going to be informative anyway because most activity for D occurs here, not on SO, so it wouldn't be representative.
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 20:15:07 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Tuesday, June 05, 2018 15:09:56 Dejan Lekic via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: >> Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it >> anywhere close to the top 20. >> >> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31 > > Top comment is kind of depressing. The right place to look is https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ I agree with other comments regarding TIOBE - they are constantly changing how they do statistics so they are not relevant source at all. Just look where Kotlin is there and that should pretty much tell you everything. I know at least 10 large companies that are moving from Java/Scala to Kotlin, yet Kotlin is at the bottom 50 table... Ridiculous... The TIOBE has never been a measurement of how much any given language is used. At best, it's been a measurement of which languages folks have been searching for. That can tell you something, but you have to understand what it's measuring to have any clue what it does tell you. And of course, because of how difficult it is to measure search results for a particular language, they keep changing their criteria. The result is that while the tiobe index may be interesting, it must be taken with a very large grain of salt - and that's without getting into any discussions of how valid it is or isn't to use search results from google to do the measuring. - Jonathan M Davis And all of the other metrics done by other groups that was provided that paints a similar picture? http://githut.info/ http://pypl.github.io/PYPL.html http://sogrady-media.redmonk.com/sogrady/files/2018/03/lang.rank_.118.png https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-2017-top-programming-languages https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2016 I'm not really intending to crap on anyone here. It's just the dismissal of a collection of data all pointing towards one particular conclusion is a bit strange. It seems like the interest in D is going down not up. I mean it could have a renaissance, but I'd imagine some work would have to be put into that to make it happen.
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Tuesday, June 05, 2018 15:09:56 Dejan Lekic via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: > >> Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it > >> anywhere close to the top 20. > >> > >> https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31 > > > > Top comment is kind of depressing. > > The right place to look is https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ > > I agree with other comments regarding TIOBE - they are constantly > changing how they do statistics so they are not relevant source > at all. Just look where Kotlin is there and that should pretty > much tell you everything. I know at least 10 large companies that > are moving from Java/Scala to Kotlin, yet Kotlin is at the bottom > 50 table... Ridiculous... The TIOBE has never been a measurement of how much any given language is used. At best, it's been a measurement of which languages folks have been searching for. That can tell you something, but you have to understand what it's measuring to have any clue what it does tell you. And of course, because of how difficult it is to measure search results for a particular language, they keep changing their criteria. The result is that while the tiobe index may be interesting, it must be taken with a very large grain of salt - and that's without getting into any discussions of how valid it is or isn't to use search results from google to do the measuring. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31 Top comment is kind of depressing. The right place to look is https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/d/ I agree with other comments regarding TIOBE - they are constantly changing how they do statistics so they are not relevant source at all. Just look where Kotlin is there and that should pretty much tell you everything. I know at least 10 large companies that are moving from Java/Scala to Kotlin, yet Kotlin is at the bottom 50 table... Ridiculous...
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 19:21:22 UTC, Ethan wrote: On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 19:17:47 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: It seems you guys are undercutting the results because you don't like them: Never mind that it is a commonly accepted criticism of the Tiobe index. Someone on the internet wants to strawman, so it must be valid! (The only source you listed there that would give unbiased search results is Wikipedia. Every other aggregate engine weighs results per user. Can you name something without valid criticisms? Things could always be done better. But that doesn't mean they aren't useful. In this case it isn't meant to be an all encompassing answer, just a viewpoint that suggests a particular answer.
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 19:17:47 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 16:05:24 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: On 05/06/2018 3:56 AM, I love Ice Cream wrote: On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 11:14:42 UTC, bauss wrote: On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31 Top comment is kind of depressing. Tiobe is based on Google searches, so it's not relevant anymore. Since when is Google not relevant? Google modifies search results per person/client and can hide results out right if it chooses to (unconfirmed, but its a good guess). When it comes to analysis it does not qualify as a research source anymore. It is merely a starting point for your research and does not play a major role. It seems you guys are undercutting the results because you don't like them: The index covers searches in Google, Google Blogs, MSN, Yahoo!, Baidu, Wikipedia and YouTube. http://githut.info/ http://pypl.github.io/PYPL.html http://sogrady-media.redmonk.com/sogrady/files/2018/03/lang.rank_.118.png https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-2017-top-programming-languages https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2016 Looks consistent with other results.
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 19:17:47 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: It seems you guys are undercutting the results because you don't like them: Never mind that it is a commonly accepted criticism of the Tiobe index. Someone on the internet wants to strawman, so it must be valid! (The only source you listed there that would give unbiased search results is Wikipedia. Every other aggregate engine weighs results per user.
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 16:05:24 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: On 05/06/2018 3:56 AM, I love Ice Cream wrote: On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 11:14:42 UTC, bauss wrote: On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31 Top comment is kind of depressing. Tiobe is based on Google searches, so it's not relevant anymore. Since when is Google not relevant? Google modifies search results per person/client and can hide results out right if it chooses to (unconfirmed, but its a good guess). When it comes to analysis it does not qualify as a research source anymore. It is merely a starting point for your research and does not play a major role. It seems you guys are undercutting the results because you don't like them: The index covers searches in Google, Google Blogs, MSN, Yahoo!, Baidu, Wikipedia and YouTube.
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On 05/06/2018 3:56 AM, I love Ice Cream wrote: On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 11:14:42 UTC, bauss wrote: On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31 Top comment is kind of depressing. Tiobe is based on Google searches, so it's not relevant anymore. Since when is Google not relevant? Google modifies search results per person/client and can hide results out right if it chooses to (unconfirmed, but its a good guess). When it comes to analysis it does not qualify as a research source anymore. It is merely a starting point for your research and does not play a major role.
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 11:14:42 UTC, bauss wrote: On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31 Top comment is kind of depressing. Tiobe is based on Google searches, so it's not relevant anymore. Since when is Google not relevant?
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 20:12:03 UTC, JakubJ wrote: On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 16:58:23 UTC, Sameer Pradhan wrote: It was nice to read Walter's article from 2014... Wonder who posted it, and how long it will stay in the visibility range, but it was a nice feeling to see it at the top. -- Sameer Hi Sameer, I just discovered it today and posted it afterwards. Then, looked into this forum and surprise ;) . :-) However, I don't plan on jumping into D right now because I'm starting to use Elixir/OTP seriously at GSoC and between that and the finals at uni there's little time left. In case you missed it, Walter did an AMA and answered some of the issues raised in the HN comments.
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 17:40:46 UTC, I love Ice Cream wrote: Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31 Top comment is kind of depressing. Tiobe is based on Google searches, so it's not relevant anymore.
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
On Sunday, 3 June 2018 at 16:58:23 UTC, Sameer Pradhan wrote: It was nice to read Walter's article from 2014... Wonder who posted it, and how long it will stay in the visibility range, but it was a nice feeling to see it at the top. -- Sameer Hi Sameer, I just discovered it today and posted it afterwards. Then, looked into this forum and surprise ;) . However, I don't plan on jumping into D right now because I'm starting to use Elixir/OTP seriously at GSoC and between that and the finals at uni there's little time left. Jakub
Re: D on top of Hacker News!
Is D really a top 20 language? I don't remember seeing it anywhere close to the top 20. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ has them in 31 Top comment is kind of depressing.
D on top of Hacker News!
It was nice to read Walter's article from 2014... Wonder who posted it, and how long it will stay in the visibility range, but it was a nice feeling to see it at the top. -- Sameer
