Re: std.parallelism: Naming?

2011-04-17 Thread Gary Whatmore
Dmitry Olshansky Wrote:

 On 16.04.2011 22:39, dsimcha wrote:
  I'm reconsidering the naming of std.parallelism.  The name is catchy, 
  but perhaps too general.  std.parallelism currently targets SMP 
  parallelism.  In the future it would be nice for Phobos to target SIMD 
  parallelism and distributed message passing parallelism, too.  These 
  might belong in different modules.  Then again, std.smp or 
  std.multicore or something just doesn't sound as catchy.  SIMD would 
  probably just be array ops and stuff.  Distributed message passing 
  would probably be absorbed by std.concurrency since the distinction 
  between concurrency and parallelism isn't as obvious at this level and 
  std.concurrency is already the home of message passing stuff.  Please 
  comment.
 
 I'm inclined to go with std.parallelism, the name is so cute :).
 On the serious side of it, I think SIMDs  really belong to compiler 
 internals and std.intrinsics.
 And any message passing should most likely go into std.concurency, even 
 though that lives some scenarios somewhat on the edge of two (parallelism).

I'd vote for std.parallel.smp and std.parallel.simd. But Phobos does not 
support deep nested package names, which is good. Otherwise the naming would be 
a hell on earth just like Java or Tango.


std.parallelism: Naming?

2011-04-16 Thread dsimcha
I'm reconsidering the naming of std.parallelism.  The name is catchy, 
but perhaps too general.  std.parallelism currently targets SMP 
parallelism.  In the future it would be nice for Phobos to target SIMD 
parallelism and distributed message passing parallelism, too.  These 
might belong in different modules.  Then again, std.smp or std.multicore 
or something just doesn't sound as catchy.  SIMD would probably just be 
array ops and stuff.  Distributed message passing would probably be 
absorbed by std.concurrency since the distinction between concurrency 
and parallelism isn't as obvious at this level and std.concurrency is 
already the home of message passing stuff.  Please comment.


Re: std.parallelism: Naming?

2011-04-16 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
std.multicore? :p


Re: std.parallelism: Naming?

2011-04-16 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu

On 4/16/11 1:39 PM, dsimcha wrote:

I'm reconsidering the naming of std.parallelism. The name is catchy, but
perhaps too general. std.parallelism currently targets SMP parallelism.
In the future it would be nice for Phobos to target SIMD parallelism and
distributed message passing parallelism, too. These might belong in
different modules. Then again, std.smp or std.multicore or something
just doesn't sound as catchy. SIMD would probably just be array ops and
stuff. Distributed message passing would probably be absorbed by
std.concurrency since the distinction between concurrency and
parallelism isn't as obvious at this level and std.concurrency is
already the home of message passing stuff. Please comment.


I don't mind std.parallelism one bit.

Andrei


Re: std.parallelism: Naming?

2011-04-16 Thread Dmitry Olshansky

On 16.04.2011 22:39, dsimcha wrote:
I'm reconsidering the naming of std.parallelism.  The name is catchy, 
but perhaps too general.  std.parallelism currently targets SMP 
parallelism.  In the future it would be nice for Phobos to target SIMD 
parallelism and distributed message passing parallelism, too.  These 
might belong in different modules.  Then again, std.smp or 
std.multicore or something just doesn't sound as catchy.  SIMD would 
probably just be array ops and stuff.  Distributed message passing 
would probably be absorbed by std.concurrency since the distinction 
between concurrency and parallelism isn't as obvious at this level and 
std.concurrency is already the home of message passing stuff.  Please 
comment.


I'm inclined to go with std.parallelism, the name is so cute :).
On the serious side of it, I think SIMDs  really belong to compiler 
internals and std.intrinsics.
And any message passing should most likely go into std.concurency, even 
though that lives some scenarios somewhat on the edge of two (parallelism).



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Dmitry Olshansky



Re: std.parallelism: Naming?

2011-04-16 Thread Michel Fortin

On 2011-04-16 14:39:23 -0400, dsimcha dsim...@yahoo.com said:

I'm reconsidering the naming of std.parallelism.  The name is catchy, 
but perhaps too general.  std.parallelism currently targets SMP 
parallelism.  In the future it would be nice for Phobos to target SIMD 
parallelism and distributed message passing parallelism, too.  These 
might belong in different modules.  Then again, std.smp or 
std.multicore or something just doesn't sound as catchy.  SIMD would 
probably just be array ops and stuff.  Distributed message passing 
would probably be absorbed by std.concurrency since the distinction 
between concurrency and parallelism isn't as obvious at this level and 
std.concurrency is already the home of message passing stuff.  Please 
comment.


While parallelism might be too general, isn't it true that it's too 
specific at the same time? I mean, the module includes a concurrent 
task system, some sugar to parallelize loops using tasks (foreach, map, 
reduce), and an async buffer implementation also based on tasks. Of 
those, which are truly parallelism?



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Michel Fortin
michel.for...@michelf.com
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