Re: New home page
On 10.10.2010 22:42, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Stephan Sollerstephan.sol...@helionweb.de wrote in message news:i8sh5u$2ij...@digitalmars.com... On 07.10.2010 23:59, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Stephan Sollerstephan.sol...@helionweb.de wrote in message news:i8kmuc$15...@digitalmars.com... On 07.10.2010 14:56, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Stephan Sollerstephan.sol...@helionweb.dewrote in message news:i8k8k9$230...@digitalmars.com... [1]: http://arkanis.de/ Not to complain, just FYI, this is what that page looks like for me: http://www.semitwist.com/download/arkanis1.png http://www.semitwist.com/download/arkanis2.png http://www.semitwist.com/download/arkanis3.png Interestingly, if I turn JS on, than it'll look a lot better *until* it finishes loading, at which point it goes back to looking just like those screenshots. Thanks for the screenshots. May I ask which version of Firefox (if I see that correctly) your're using v2.0.0.20 Which actually kinda surprises me because I could have sworn I was on a much later version of the 2.x line. I *know* there was a period where it kept updating itself seemingly all the time (which got quite irritating when I just wanted to go to a particular URL). But I guess that must have been the only 2.x version I was able to find after giving up on FF3. And IIRC, the built-in update won't let me update to anything less than FF3. And yea, I know FF2 is really old, but I tried 3.0 and 3.5 and the JS was only marginally faster, it doesn't seem to fix any of the rendering bugs I've come across in FF2 (I have 3.5 on my Linux box, just for site testing), and every other change they made I hated and downloaded extentions to undo...until I realized there was no extention to un-unify the unified forward/back buttons (which I had thought was a good idea when IE7 came out -- until I actually used IE7), and realized the only winestripe-like things for FF3 weren't nearly as good as the real winestripe. So I figured Why bog it down with even *more* addons just to turn it into a half-baked FF2, when I can just use the real FF2? YouTube bitches to me about it, but well, fuck YouTube; never liked having over-compressed videos pre-embedded into a web-based player anyway. Maybe you should consider looking into some other browsers? Opera, Chrome and other Gecko based browsers might give you a better experience that the newer Firefox versions. This is the reason why there are different browsers after all. - Safari is ruled out because it's a blurry mess (all for the sake of making it look more like the printed version? WTF?) and forces useless background processes, has zero respect for my system's look-and-feel, and has no Adblock Plus, NoScript, or BetterPrivacy (Three FF add-ons that provide functionality that, for me, are absolutely 100% essential). - IE7+ is out because it has no Adblock Plus, NoScript, or BetterPrivacy, and I don't like the unified forward/back buttons. - Iron is out because I *hate* absolutely everything about it's UI, and it doesn't have NoScript (I've heard it has AdBlock Plus, but I didn't see it when I first looked so I don't know). Also, configurability seems to be practically non-existent compared to FF. - Chrome is out because of all the reasons for which Iron was created in the first place. I won't even allow Chrome (or Safari) on my computer at all. - Opera is ruled out because it costs money and every time I tried the demos it seemed to combine the worst aspects of all the other browsers, plus had by far the most rendering problems. - And everything else like IE6-, Netscape, WebTV, Lynx, etc are all ruled out for obvious reasons. Adblock Plus, NoScript and BetterPrivacy are a combination that's hard to find in other browsers. I suppose you have to do some manual configuration to get that done. Many browsers today compress the UI in order to free more horizontal space for the websites. There is an ongoing development towards wider displays that shrink in height and the new browser UIs are a logical counter development to that. In Opera however it's just the default configuration and with a few clicks you can bring every toolbar back (and add or remove buttons, etc.). Never found a way to revert that in Firefox or Chrome but I haven't searched every about:config option. Regarding configuration Opera is on pair with Firefox if not even more flexible, therefore they don't have extensions. Opera giving the most rendering bugs is actually a funny story. They had the most advanced quirks mode (IE 5 compatibility mode). It changed quite a bit in the rendering of websites and was very close to IE 5 (I really doubt they had fun programming this). However many developers didn't know how to trigger standard compliant mode back then (these strange DTDs...) and forced Opera (and IE 6 and Firefox) into quirks mode. But since Firefox looked more or less the same in quirks mode people of course regarded the Opera and IE rendering as
Re: D 2.0 Stacktrace
Am 10.10.2010 21:31, schrieb Denis Koroskin: On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:50:25 +0400, Benjamin Thaut c...@benjamin-thaut.de wrote: I wrote a small piece of sourcecode that generates stacktraces in D 2.0 under windows. It works both with the pdb and cv debug symbol format. For Exceptions that are derived from the Error class the trace information is automatically appended, this causes all builtin D errors to get a stacktrace information. The only point where this does not work is the Access Vioaltion error, as it does not call the stacktrace callback function for some reason. It is very easy to use, just copy the two files from the zip archive to your root source directory and import the stacktrace module inside your main file. For more informaiton and the download go to: http://3d.benjamin-thaut.de Let me know what you think. Kind Regards Benjamin Thaut I noticed your stacktraces should symbols but no file name/line numbers. I've sent another Stacktracer implementation to Phobos mailing list recently that primarily shows file name/line number while manually parsing .map file for symbolic info and shows none if .map file is absent. That was being criticized, and I agree with it. It also doesn't depend on dbghelp.dll and is able to show sane results even when the said .dll is missing. I think we could merge our projects, taking advantages from both. What do you think? My stackwalker does show filenames and line numbers but you need to compile with -g -debug so that there is line/file information in the symbols. If you look at the example stacktrace at http://3d.benjamin-thaut.de/?p=15 you can see filenames and line numbers -- Kind Regards Benjamin Thaut
Re: New home page
Stephan Soller stephan.sol...@helionweb.de wrote in message news:i8ufto$17d...@digitalmars.com... Adblock Plus, NoScript and BetterPrivacy are a combination that's hard to find in other browsers. Yup. And that's speaks very poorly for the overall state of web browsers. It's amazing that with so many offerings there's none that are actually any good. Many browsers today compress the UI in order to free more horizontal space for the websites. There is an ongoing development towards wider displays that shrink in height Which, of course, is an absolutely rediculous trend that's been created almost entirely on faulty notions, but that's a whole other rant... and the new browser UIs are a logical counter development to that. In Opera however it's just the default configuration and with a few clicks you can bring every toolbar back (and add or remove buttons, etc.). Never found a way to revert that in Firefox or Chrome but I haven't searched every about:config option. Yea, about:config is truly awful. I consider any setting that's only in there to be non-existant (unless I just happend to come across someone mentioning a specific one, as was the case with turning off animating images and favicons (I turned off favicons only because FF's no animate setting doesn't work for favicons)). ps.: Opera is free since over 5 years, so you might want to take a look since much has changed since then. Just gave the latest version a try (turns out the last I tried was 9.x and was about three years old, although I know that wasn't the first time I had tried it). I haven't spent much time with it yet, but my initial impressions: When it first started, first thing I did was get rid of that awful menu button. Then I balked at how incredibly ugly the real menu and tabs are. I went to find a way to disable themes, but then discovered that it was *already* on the supposed Windows Native Skin, which is quite obviously anything but. Looks exactly like GTK to me. There's the tell-tale GTK Rediculously Excessive Padding, and the almost-equally tell-tale Invisible text for light-on-dark users (black-on-black). And then as if that wasn't bad enough, there's this really amateur-ish hover/pressed highlight on the top-level menu items, which 1. is obviously non-native since native has no hover effect and *I* have my selection color set to blue, but this uses white instead, and 2. results in even *more* invisi-text (white-on-white). The tabs don't even try to be tabs at all, just GTK buttons acting like tabs. And the menus appear with a fade-in that's clearly *intended* to look like the subtle fade-in native stuff uses, except unlike the native apps they're jarringly...well, choppy is the only way I can think to describe it. And there seems to be some weird drawing-conflict between them and the tabs during that fade-in. It looks really really bad, and disabling effects doesn't get rid of it. The whole UI is just a complete amateur job (which is pretty much what I remember from every other time I tried it, now that I think of it). Haven't tried any actual pages or any sort of AdBlock/NoScript/BetterPrivacy sort of functionality yet.
Re: New home page
On 11.10.2010 13:01, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Stephan Sollerstephan.sol...@helionweb.de wrote in message news:i8ufto$17d...@digitalmars.com... Adblock Plus, NoScript and BetterPrivacy are a combination that's hard to find in other browsers. Yup. And that's speaks very poorly for the overall state of web browsers. It's amazing that with so many offerings there's none that are actually any good. Not only browsers but more general the understanding of privacy on the Internet among its users. Many browsers today compress the UI in order to free more horizontal space for the websites. There is an ongoing development towards wider displays that shrink in height Which, of course, is an absolutely rediculous trend that's been created almost entirely on faulty notions, but that's a whole other rant... I absolutely agree on that. and the new browser UIs are a logical counter development to that. In Opera however it's just the default configuration and with a few clicks you can bring every toolbar back (and add or remove buttons, etc.). Never found a way to revert that in Firefox or Chrome but I haven't searched every about:config option. Yea, about:config is truly awful. I consider any setting that's only in there to be non-existant (unless I just happend to come across someone mentioning a specific one, as was the case with turning off animating images and favicons (I turned off favicons only because FF's no animate setting doesn't work for favicons)). ps.: Opera is free since over 5 years, so you might want to take a look since much has changed since then. Just gave the latest version a try (turns out the last I tried was 9.x and was about three years old, although I know that wasn't the first time I had tried it). I haven't spent much time with it yet, but my initial impressions: When it first started, first thing I did was get rid of that awful menu button. Then I balked at how incredibly ugly the real menu and tabs are. I went to find a way to disable themes, but then discovered that it was *already* on the supposed Windows Native Skin, which is quite obviously anything but. Looks exactly like GTK to me. There's the tell-tale GTK Rediculously Excessive Padding, and the almost-equally tell-tale Invisible text for light-on-dark users (black-on-black). And then as if that wasn't bad enough, there's this really amateur-ish hover/pressed highlight on the top-level menu items, which 1. is obviously non-native since native has no hover effect and *I* have my selection color set to blue, but this uses white instead, and 2. results in even *more* invisi-text (white-on-white). The tabs don't even try to be tabs at all, just GTK buttons acting like tabs. And the menus appear with a fade-in that's clearly *intended* to look like the subtle fade-in native stuff uses, except unlike the native apps they're jarringly...well, choppy is the only way I can think to describe it. And there seems to be some weird drawing-conflict between them and the tabs during that fade-in. It looks really really bad, and disabling effects doesn't get rid of it. The whole UI is just a complete amateur job (which is pretty much what I remember from every other time I tried it, now that I think of it). Haven't tried any actual pages or any sort of AdBlock/NoScript/BetterPrivacy sort of functionality yet. Ok, I'll stop recommending browsers then. Maybe you should just grab WebKit or Gecko and build your own UI around it. This will also give you (almost) all the privacy control you want. ;) Just to give the Opera guys some credit: technically their UI is pretty well done and fast (it's based on Qt and they skipped hardware acceleration for this release because it wasn't the bottleneck). The default design is a different story but I personally think they hit what the masses currently would call a nice design. Happy programming Stephan
Re: D 2.0 Stacktrace
Sean Kelly Wrote: Pretty slick. I've been thinking about generating traces when the throw occurs instead of when the exception is constructed, and this change allows that as well. I'll add it to the queue. Then may be we should have Throwable.OnThrow function? One can make a good use of it. For example what if I want to do custom logging on throw?
Re: New home page
Stephan Soller stephan.sol...@helionweb.de wrote in message news:i8v03a$293...@digitalmars.com... Maybe you should just grab WebKit or Gecko and build your own UI around it. This will also give you (almost) all the privacy control you want. ;) Yea, that's been my intent, but who knows when I'll have a chance to get to it :/
Re: New home page
Walter Bright Wrote: http://www.digitalmars.com Yes, I should add some color and style sheets, but at the moment I am just trying to get the layout right and make it much simpler to get to what I think are the most useful links. What is an easy way to get to changelog?
Re: New home page
Kagamin wrote: Walter Bright Wrote: http://www.digitalmars.com Yes, I should add some color and style sheets, but at the moment I am just trying to get the layout right and make it much simpler to get to what I think are the most useful links. What is an easy way to get to changelog? [Documentation] = [D Change Log]
Re: New home page
Stephan Soller wrote: here's the link to the presentation of a talk I gave about D1: http://events.mi.hdm-stuttgart.de/archive/2010-04-13-d-einf%C3%BChrung/der-coole-stoff/Pr%C3%A4sentation%20(HTML).html Too good not to share! http://twitter.com/D_Programming
