Re: https everywhere update - dlang.org gets an "A" now!
Now also certified (Let's Encrypt made this really straight forward): https://code.dlang.org/ https://forum.rejectedsoftware.com/ https://vibed.org/ All pass with an A for the ssllabs.com test. I'll also setup default HTTP->HTTPS redirects.
Re: Release D 2.069.0
On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 17:32:05 UTC, Márcio Martins wrote: On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 17:06:48 UTC, Jean-Yves Vion-Dury wrote: On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 at 15:25:04 UTC, Márcio Martins wrote: [...] FYI, I just installed the 2.069 version, and now I'm unable to compile some modules, getting the same "Error: out of memory". I isolated a tiny one raising the issue, and its all about a moderately complex ctRegex expression (see below) that seems to brake the compiler. Other modules also raise the problem, but they are bigger in term of code lines. [...] Windows? Yes indeed, Windows... is it a problem (the previous version was fine with my environment)?
Re: DConf 2016 news: 20% sold out, book signing
On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 20:42:21 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 19:37:11 UTC, deadalnix wrote: Adam won't be coming ? I haven't decided for sure yet, but probably not. I don't like travel at all and the thought of a trans-atlantic flight strikes me as the worst. Sleeping tablets make long flights much more bearable!
Re: Release D 2.069.0
On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 at 08:39:26 UTC, Jean-Yves Vion-Dury wrote: On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 17:32:05 UTC, Márcio Martins wrote: On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 17:06:48 UTC, Jean-Yves Vion-Dury wrote: On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 at 15:25:04 UTC, Márcio Martins wrote: [...] FYI, I just installed the 2.069 version, and now I'm unable to compile some modules, getting the same "Error: out of memory". I isolated a tiny one raising the issue, and its all about a moderately complex ctRegex expression (see below) that seems to brake the compiler. Other modules also raise the problem, but they are bigger in term of code lines. [...] Windows? Yes indeed, Windows... is it a problem (the previous version was fine with my environment)? I guess the issue is that the Windows DMD binary is 32-bit and supports addressing only 2GB (or 4GB if it's Large Address Space aware), whereas on other OSs it's 64-bit by default and doesn't have this limitation. Maybe if you need to keep using Windows your best option is to build a 64-bit DMD yourself. I think the easiest way to do this on Windows is to use Digger: https://github.com/cybershadow/Digger
Re: Release D 2.069.0
On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 at 08:39:26 UTC, Jean-Yves Vion-Dury wrote: On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 17:32:05 UTC, Márcio Martins wrote: On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 17:06:48 UTC, Jean-Yves Vion-Dury wrote: On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 at 15:25:04 UTC, Márcio Martins wrote: [...] FYI, I just installed the 2.069 version, and now I'm unable to compile some modules, getting the same "Error: out of memory". I isolated a tiny one raising the issue, and its all about a moderately complex ctRegex expression (see below) that seems to brake the compiler. Other modules also raise the problem, but they are bigger in term of code lines. [...] Windows? Yes indeed, Windows... is it a problem (the previous version was fine with my environment)? You will need to add the add the LARGEADDRESSAWARE flag to your executable manually. It is supposed to be done automatically, but it is not working currently, so you will have to do it manually... It indeed stopped working since 2.069.0. Unfortunately, it is a royal pain in the anus, because you need to download the WDK. To save you some pain, if you have Windows 10, it's WDK doesn't install property, so you best install WDK 8.1 which works smooth. Perhaps there are some other tools that do it, but I am always reluctant to download these sort of stuff from untrusted sources.
DlangIDE update
Hello, DlangIDE is getting close to usable. DlangIDE is and IDE for D programming language written in D using DlangUI library. Project page: https://github.com/buggins/dlangide To try, use `dub fetch dlangide && dub run dlangide` try to create and run DlangUI Helloworld project, or open Tetris project from workspaces/tetris. Supported platforms: win32, linux, osx. DlangIDE uses DUB to build and run projects, DUB .json as project format, DCD for code completion. For code completion / go to references functionality, you need to build dcd-server and dcd-client executables from https://github.com/Hackerpilot/DCD.git and put them to some of PATH dirs. Recent changes: - New Project wizard - New source file wizard - Add / remove project files, refresh workspace - A lot of bugfixes Current activities: - GDB MI debugger support - integration of DML GUI builder (Delphi like) DlangUI: https://github.com/buggins/dlangui Recent DlangUI changes: - MonoD and VisualD projects for development under Windows, Linux, OSX. - pure X11 backend implemented to avoid SDL dependency - dmledit app for editing DML - spreadsheet example (excel like app, just started) - a lot of bugfixes Try dlangui:tetris, dlangui:example1, dlangui:dmledit examples. Best regards, Vadim
Re: DlangIDE update
On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 at 15:58:43 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote: Hello, DlangIDE is getting close to usable. DlangIDE is and IDE for D programming language written in D using DlangUI library. [...] Congrats! Glad to see that project is not abandoned.
Re: DLang users telegram group
On Monday, 30 November 2015 at 10:58:34 UTC, Quentin Ladeveze wrote: Hi everybody, I just created a Telegram group for dlang users : https://telegram.me/joinchat/BeLaugMz35ZxQUq2fks4YQ Feel free to join ! says the link has expired
Re: DlangIDE update
On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 at 15:58:43 UTC, Vadim Lopatin wrote: Hello, DlangIDE is getting close to usable. DlangIDE is and IDE for D programming language written in D using DlangUI library. Sweet! Glad you're back and working on this! Was wanting to give it a shot, but typing } on my keyboard (german layout, right-alt + 0) did not actually insert the character into the opened document, so I gave up. Most of the UI stuff looks really neat (especially like the directory structure preview when creating a new project/workspace), but obviously still needs a lot of work (you cannot drag dialogs around, fe). One of the things I did manage to try was putting a readln() into the standard hello-world-console-app preset. Turns out that it causes dlangide to hang up because it's not actually possible to have user input (or to configure dlangide to start the project separately so a regular console window appears). Killing the started process also was not possible since the respective option to stop debugging is still grayed out. From the looks of it, this is very promising though. I like the Workspace layout and the general feel of the IDE (very responsive, very clean) and it all kind of makes me wish it wouldn already have enough features (especially debugging!) to be a viable option. I still haven't written much D code and my time is somewhat limited, but if there are simple tasks you need to get done, I would be glad to offer help! Here's to hoping this IDE will keep going and turn out well :-)
Re: Release D 2.069.0
On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 at 13:14:58 UTC, Márcio Martins wrote: On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 at 08:39:26 UTC, Jean-Yves Vion-Dury wrote: On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 17:32:05 UTC, Márcio Martins wrote: On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 17:06:48 UTC, Jean-Yves Vion-Dury wrote: On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 at 15:25:04 UTC, Márcio Martins wrote: [...] FYI, I just installed the 2.069 version, and now I'm unable to compile some modules, getting the same "Error: out of memory". I isolated a tiny one raising the issue, and its all about a moderately complex ctRegex expression (see below) that seems to brake the compiler. Other modules also raise the problem, but they are bigger in term of code lines. [...] Windows? Yes indeed, Windows... is it a problem (the previous version was fine with my environment)? You will need to add the add the LARGEADDRESSAWARE flag to your executable manually. It is supposed to be done automatically, but it is not working currently, so you will have to do it manually... It indeed stopped working since 2.069.0. Unfortunately, it is a royal pain in the anus, because you need to download the WDK. To save you some pain, if you have Windows 10, it's WDK doesn't install property, so you best install WDK 8.1 which works smooth. Perhaps there are some other tools that do it, but I am always reluctant to download these sort of stuff from untrusted sources. That's fucking ridiculous. I'm sorry, but strong word are warranted on that one. Memory consumption have been an issue for a while now. Never freeing and assuming everything will be already to win few ms out of a build is the most ridiculous choice dmd has done. Especially on a 32bits build. Will this problem be taken seriously at some point ?
Re: DlangIDE update
Awesome! Is there any chance of bundling DCD? It would be a lot more convenient if I didn't even have to think about getting another completion program and running it on my project.
Re: DConf 2016 news: 20% sold out, book signing
On 12/8/2015 12:47 AM, wobbles wrote: On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 20:42:21 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Monday, 7 December 2015 at 19:37:11 UTC, deadalnix wrote: Adam won't be coming ? I haven't decided for sure yet, but probably not. I don't like travel at all and the thought of a trans-atlantic flight strikes me as the worst. Sleeping tablets make long flights much more bearable! What I've found helps a lot: 1. If possible, do a long jog before going to the airport. It makes you ready to relax. 2. Load up a tablet with lots of books. 3. Ear plugs. It's surprising how fatiguing the jet noise is. 4. One of those neck pillows can help. 5. Booze :-)
Re: Release D 2.069.0
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 22:07:15 +, deadalnix wrote: > That's fucking ridiculous. > > I'm sorry, but strong word are warranted on that one. Memory consumption > have been an issue for a while now. Never freeing and assuming > everything will be already to win few ms out of a build is the most > ridiculous choice dmd has done. > > Especially on a 32bits build. > > Will this problem be taken seriously at some point ? At the time of the C++ to D cutover, DMD did some GC-unsafe things. In the interests of expediency, since the compiler isn't a long-running process, they chose to disable the GC in the interim. While at least some of these GC-unsafe behaviors have been excised, there is lingering concern that some might remain, so nobody has re-enabled the GC. This has been somewhat on the backburner; Windows has typically been of secondary concern to D devs, and Linux has 64-bit builds, so address space exhaustion hasn't been as problematic there. Anyway, this is something that's intended to be fixed, and regular 64-bit Windows builds are something that should happen. It just requires the dev team to have better access to Windows.
Re: Moving forward with work on the D language and foundation
On Friday, 28 August 2015 at 20:34:16 UTC, Luís Marques wrote: On Monday, 24 August 2015 at 18:43:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Following an increasing desire to focus on working on the D language and foundation, I have recently made the difficult decision to part ways with Facebook, my employer of five years and nine months. When I read this post one of the things that crossed my mind was how Andrei could afford to do this, but personal economic issues tend to be sensitive matters so I didn't presume to ask. It seems that someone else asked it (very directly) on reddit, and Andrei replied. His answer is basically that he's taking a large pay cut to do this: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3ioy9b/andrei_alexandrescu_c_guru_leaves_facebook_to/cuip1pd Given the implicit donation (the financial opportunity cost) that Andrei is making to D, I just wanted to say: thank you. But wouldn't his Facebook stock alone allow him to live comfortably with no job? I think it is a good decision when you have reached financial independence to do what you most want to do.
Re: Moving forward with work on the D language and foundation
On Friday, 28 August 2015 at 13:08:36 UTC, Chris wrote: On Friday, 28 August 2015 at 12:28:43 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 16:01 +, BBasile via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: […] That's courageous, particularly past 50 yo. It's a different culture, past 50 yo in Europe people choose security, but in USA, past 50 yo some people still take the risk to try something new. Awesome. I say "bollocks" to your accusation that Europeans post 50 are a bunch of useless idiots. I call double "bollocks" on the claim that only in the USA do people do anything. I agree (I think it's the first time I agree with you!). Age is a state of mind. I've seen people in their 20ies who only think about a pension plan and watch TV every evening until they fall asleep. But in general, people slow down mentally as they age. Most US companies - and Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook is leading the charge with his FWD.us lobby group - would prefer the government give them the capability to hire an unlimited amount of 25 year old foreign programmers instead of them having to hire 50 year old American programmers.
Re: DlangIDE update
On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 at 18:18:29 UTC, default0 wrote: Sweet! Glad you're back and working on this! Was wanting to give it a shot, but typing } on my keyboard (german layout, right-alt + 0) did not actually insert the character into the opened document, so I gave up. What is a platform? Linux with SDL? How do I reproduce it? Could you please submit a bug on github? Most of the UI stuff looks really neat (especially like the directory structure preview when creating a new project/workspace), but obviously still needs a lot of work (you cannot drag dialogs around, fe). Dialogs are currently displayed as popup widgets instead of separate windows due to issue with OpenGL contexts under Win32 when multiple windows are being used. One of the things I did manage to try was putting a readln() into the standard hello-world-console-app preset. Turns out that it causes dlangide to hang up because it's not actually possible to have user input (or to configure dlangide to start the project separately so a regular console window appears). Killing the started process also was not possible since the respective option to stop debugging is still grayed out. Input hangs because running currently is just invoking of `dub run` - with input and output redirected. Output is shown in IDE message log, but for input just nothing is sent. I'm working on debugging, and as well will implement running apps w/o debugger with separate console. From the looks of it, this is very promising though. I like the Workspace layout and the general feel of the IDE (very responsive, very clean) and it all kind of makes me wish it wouldn already have enough features (especially debugging!) to be a viable option. Debugging is high priority task now. I still haven't written much D code and my time is somewhat limited, but if there are simple tasks you need to get done, I would be glad to offer help! It would be great. Here's to hoping this IDE will keep going and turn out well :-) I think for programming language, it's big + to have native GUI library and IDE written in the same language. Adding Delphi style GUI builder could attract newbies.
Re: DlangIDE update
On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 at 23:45:47 UTC, Chris Wright wrote: Awesome! Is there any chance of bundling DCD? It would be a lot more convenient if I didn't even have to think about getting another completion program and running it on my project. For win32, it's bundled with dcd-client and dcd-server binaries (although of quite old version). For mac, I suppose there should not be a problem too to add dcd binaries. But for Linux I'm unsure how to build DCD which is able to work on all distributions.
Re: Moving forward with work on the D language and foundation
On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 05:40:47 +, Tony wrote: > On Friday, 28 August 2015 at 13:08:36 UTC, Chris wrote: >> On Friday, 28 August 2015 at 12:28:43 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: >>> On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 16:01 +, BBasile via Digitalmars-d-announce >>> wrote: […] That's courageous, particularly past 50 yo. It's a different culture, past 50 yo in Europe people choose security, but in USA, past 50 yo some people still take the risk to try something new. Awesome. >>> >>> I say "bollocks" to your accusation that Europeans post 50 are a bunch >>> of useless idiots. >>> >>> I call double "bollocks" on the claim that only in the USA do people >>> do anything. >> >> I agree (I think it's the first time I agree with you!). Age is a state >> of mind. I've seen people in their 20ies who only think about a pension >> plan and watch TV every evening until they fall asleep. > > But in general, people slow down mentally as they age. Most US companies > - and Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook is leading the charge with his FWD.us > lobby group - would prefer the government give them the capability to > hire an unlimited amount of 25 year old foreign programmers instead of > them having to hire 50 year old American programmers. 25-year-old people are more likely to work unpaid overtime. They generally get lower salaries. They're less likely to have families, which means lower health insurance costs. They're less likely to think about retirement, which means companies can advertise 401k matching as a competitive benefit without having to pay as much. The assertion that people slow down mentally as they age is pretty vague. While senescence does have mental effects, that wouldn't be hitting significantly at the age of 50 unless you have early onset Alzheimer's or the like. If there are some other effects impacting productivity, there are benefits to an extra 25 years of experience.
Re: Moving forward with work on the D language and foundation
On Wednesday, 9 December 2015 at 06:08:01 UTC, Chris Wright wrote: On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 05:40:47 +, Tony wrote: On Friday, 28 August 2015 at 13:08:36 UTC, Chris wrote: On Friday, 28 August 2015 at 12:28:43 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 16:01 +, BBasile via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: […] That's courageous, particularly past 50 yo. It's a different culture, past 50 yo in Europe people choose security, but in USA, past 50 yo some people still take the risk to try something new. Awesome. I say "bollocks" to your accusation that Europeans post 50 are a bunch of useless idiots. I call double "bollocks" on the claim that only in the USA do people do anything. I agree (I think it's the first time I agree with you!). Age is a state of mind. I've seen people in their 20ies who only think about a pension plan and watch TV every evening until they fall asleep. But in general, people slow down mentally as they age. Most US companies - and Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook is leading the charge with his FWD.us lobby group - would prefer the government give them the capability to hire an unlimited amount of 25 year old foreign programmers instead of them having to hire 50 year old American programmers. 25-year-old people are more likely to work unpaid overtime. They generally get lower salaries. They're less likely to have families, which means lower health insurance costs. They're less likely to think about retirement, which means companies can advertise 401k matching as a competitive benefit without having to pay as much. Companies have the option to offer 50 year olds the same salary they offer 25 year olds, and to not give them 401K plans and reduce or eliminate their medical benefits. The government would support that just as much as they currently support laying off 50 year olds to be replaced by 25 year old foreign non-citizen visa workers or hiring visa workers in lieu of American workers. But they choose not to because none of that changes the fact that the brains of 50 year olds are not as good as the brains of 25 year olds, in the same way that the muscles of 50 year olds are not as good as the muscles of 25 year olds. The two situations are not entirely identical in that acquired knowledge and experience can help to level out the brain side more than it does on the muscle side. But the field of programming is one of the worst, if not the worst, for having past job experience match current job prospects. The assertion that people slow down mentally as they age is pretty vague. While senescence does have mental effects, that wouldn't be hitting significantly at the age of 50 unless you have early onset Alzheimer's or the like. If there are some other effects impacting productivity, there are benefits to an extra 25 years of experience. One thing that comes to mind to refute the contention that senescence would be insignificant at the age of 50 is notable technical achievement. If we were to list the mathematical and scientific discoveries of the past - like calculus and theory of relativity, etc. - how many would have been done by someone at the age of 50 or older? How many milestones in computing history were achieved by someone 50 or older? How many were done by someone over 40? And I think most of the aging process isn't even quality (what would most impact notable discovery) - it's quantity (that is, slower clock cycle). And companies probably have more concerns about quantity of thought than quality.
Re: Moving forward with work on the D language and foundation
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Tony via Digitalmars-d-announce < digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com> wrote: > [snip] > One thing that comes to mind to refute the contention that senescence > would be insignificant at the age of 50 is notable technical achievement. > > If we were to list the mathematical and scientific discoveries of the past > - like calculus and theory of relativity, etc. - how many would have been > done by someone at the age of 50 or older? How many milestones in computing > history were achieved by someone 50 or older? How many were done by someone > over 40? And I think most of the aging process isn't even quality (what > would most impact notable discovery) - it's quantity (that is, slower clock > cycle). And companies probably have more concerns about quantity of thought > than quality. > > Lol not sure where you getting all this, but the average 25 year old is a dumb ass compared to the average 50 year old. However that being said the average 50 year old is a lot less likely to get excited about their work and to do something super creative / learning new things. These things are not based on their brain activity though, it has a lot more to do with social conditioning and disillusionment. There are a lot less 50 year olds that are motivated to something disruptive in their fields of experience. The number of scarily intelligent people aged over 60 is most likely a lot higher than the number of 25 year olds that are so. Its just the way our brains work, your brain optimises its thought processes continually, and experience is where you get that.
