Re: Beta 2.079.0
On Saturday, 31 March 2018 at 00:25:47 UTC, Seb wrote: On Tuesday, 20 February 2018 at 08:43:50 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On Monday, 19 February 2018 at 15:58:57 UTC, Joakim wrote: [...] No need to use it if you don't like it. It's particularly useful for small examples, localized imports and hacking. It's mainly a generalisation of the existing possibility to mix module imports and one selective import at the end. If you prefer java-like 50 lines import manifests, then by all means keep using those. How would that feature cause bugs though? AFAICT Rust now has introduced the exactly same feature. It's quite interesting to see that there was no outcry by the community and it was universally liked: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/03/29/Rust-1.25.html https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/44494 the curly brackets make the rust implementation more readable. The dmd implementation didn't use brackets. I believe that's a main reason for the resistance from the people
Re: Beta 2.079.0
On Tuesday, 20 February 2018 at 08:43:50 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On Monday, 19 February 2018 at 15:58:57 UTC, Joakim wrote: 17. Allow multiple selective imports from different modules in a single import statement I have a bad feeling that that one is going to be a source of a raft of bugs for years to come. No need to use it if you don't like it. It's particularly useful for small examples, localized imports and hacking. It's mainly a generalisation of the existing possibility to mix module imports and one selective import at the end. If you prefer java-like 50 lines import manifests, then by all means keep using those. How would that feature cause bugs though? AFAICT Rust now has introduced the exactly same feature. It's quite interesting to see that there was no outcry by the community and it was universally liked: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/03/29/Rust-1.25.html https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/44494
Re: std.variant Is Everything Cool About D
On 3/29/2018 12:32 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/29/2018 10:30 AM, 12345swordy wrote: There are some quite criticisms being made in the comments section. The main criticism is a misunderstanding about std.variant's allocation strategy. I have been trying to correct that. Part of the problem is the documentation for std.variant is not clear about when memory allocation happens. It also is not clear that "boxing" means "allocates space for the data on the GC heap and stores a pointer to it in the variant".
Re: LDC 1.8.0
On Thursday, 29 March 2018 at 08:10:11 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: On Saturday, 24 March 2018 at 17:33:18 UTC, Matthias Klumpp wrote: On Tuesday, 13 March 2018 at 01:52:48 UTC, Matthias Klumpp wrote: [...] Aww, just a little bit too late to easily get into Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Well It still made it, yay! (Even without me explicitly requesting it) This means Ubuntu 18.04 will be pretty up-to-date when it comes to D stuff, only GDC 8 won't be the default (but still available). The thing that is facilitating an up-to-date D stack in Debian and Ubuntu is software in the archive using D. The Tilix terminal emulator is at the forefront there, followed by my appstream-generator and the Laniakea archive management suite and all the bits and pieces those projects depend on (like GtkD in Tilix' case). This is very cool! Will DMD become part of Ubuntu, too? No, it's too late for that and adding DMD to Debian (and thereby Ubuntu) would be a significant amount of work. For compiling D code in Debian/Ubuntu, we will pretty much always use LDC or GDC, because we want stronger optimization and better architecture support, while compilation time doesn't matter at all. That being said, with DMD being under a completely free license now, the only thing that is preventing it from being in Debian is lack of manpower in the D team (having it would be very useful!). So, if anyone is interested in helping out with maintaining compiler packages, D libraries or tools, please join the Debian D team![1]. You don't have to be a Debian developer to help, but you should ideally be somewhat familiar with Debian's policies and packaging. Me or others in the D team who are Debian developers can review the changes and sponsor them into the Debian and Ubuntu archives. Since Ubuntu 18.04 LTS releases this April, getting DMD in that release will be almost impossible (feature freeze is very soon), but we could have it in Ubuntu 18.10, if someone creates packages for it. [1]: https://salsa.debian.org/d-team/ - get a guest account: https://signup.salsa.debian.org/
Re: std.variant Is Everything Cool About D
On Friday, 30 March 2018 at 13:44:50 UTC, Meta wrote: I've submitted it to Hacker News as well (looks like someone posted it yesterday, but it only got 1 vote and there was no discussion, so I figured that was grounds enough for resubmission). If you've got an account, please give me your meaningless internet points. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=std.variant%20is%20everything%20cool%20about%20d=byDate=0=custom=story=1522368000=1522454400 And it seems they're still not biting. Looking at the front page, I can't believe how few actual programming or startup-related submissions there are. https://imgur.com/a/hFlbs
Re: std.variant Is Everything Cool About D
On Thursday, 29 March 2018 at 14:10:39 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Jared Hanson (a.k.a Meta and MetaLang around these parts) was inspired by an article titled "std::visit is everything wrong with modern C++" to contrast it with D's std.variant.visit. The result is this well-written post for the D Blog. The blog: https://dlang.org/blog/2018/03/29/std-variant-is-everything-cool-about-d/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/881hmi/stdvariant_is_everything_cool_about_d/ I've submitted it to Hacker News as well (looks like someone posted it yesterday, but it only got 1 vote and there was no discussion, so I figured that was grounds enough for resubmission). If you've got an account, please give me your meaningless internet points. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=std.variant%20is%20everything%20cool%20about%20d=byDate=0=custom=story=1522368000=1522454400
Re: std.variant Is Everything Cool About D
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 00:55:20 +, dangbinghoo wrote: > I think we need a book about D's std Phobos, like `mastering STL` > or something like C++ world do, but of course, I didn't mean selling to > C++ world, I mean newbie may need knowledge about the Phobos and the > design and using the power of the library for real practice, not to > compare with the C++ world. I'm not sure Phobos is complex enough to need a book just for the library. Anything that would go into it would either be a programming in D-in-general thing or would be a useful improvement to the documentation itself.
Re: std.variant Is Everything Cool About D
On Friday, 30 March 2018 at 03:54:21 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Friday, 30 March 2018 at 02:46:13 UTC, jmh530 wrote: On Friday, 30 March 2018 at 00:37:27 UTC, Meta wrote: Unfortunately, this turned out to be the worst possible day for me to try to actively monitor the thread and respond to questions. I'm surprised that people latched onto my little quip about C++ using the name variant for a tagged union. It seems that any comment in a D article that refers to C++ will be construed in the worst possible way on reddit... That's fine by me. Right now, this post is the fourth most-viewed this year and it's not far off from number three. While I would love to please the reddit crowd to the extent that we see no negativity, I'm quite happy with the fact that our comment threads there are nowhere near as negative as they used to be. Posts that do generate this level of discussion have higher views. I can't dismiss reddit comments completely, but I don't put as much weight on them as I used to. A subreddit is somewhat comparable to a forum for a popular video game -- lots of vocal people who are actually a small minority of the player base. We can't measure the number of people who click the reddit link to the blog and come away from it with a positive impression. They aren't going to bother commenting on reddit. You're right and the unreasonable position of the SolidStateGraphics user is clear for everyone to see. There are some points he makes that could be discussed but by holding essentially the position "D is shit because it is not C++" his whole argumentation falls apart as Stockholm-syndrome induced rationalisation.
Re: D_vs_nim: git repo to compare features of D vs nim and help migrating code bw them. PRs welcome
On Wednesday, 28 March 2018 at 23:25:09 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/28/2018 1:27 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: There's usually nothing that prevents the build tool to write files at build time. Dub can do this. It's expected with a build tool. Not a compiler. With the frame of mind prevalent in our Industry I really want to have compiler includibg codegen as a bunch of library components. Then there is no problem innovating while people argue over things “allowed” for a compiler, or a linker, or a build tool. None of these actually have to be apps talking via files. If I look closely every program I see is a graph database, with nodes sometimes being code, types, sometimes data, other meta-data such as ABI attributes or conditional compilation flags, documentation, external tools, specs and databases are also part of this. Code that produces code is also part of such graph, and CTFE/macroses would just be finer grained approach. Why process graphs piece-wise in a frentic dance of command-line tools that try to fit all to a tree of files (multiple ones, in many location, and part in some CMS) and then have editors/IDEs integrate? Was easier I believe + inertia, easy != simple though.
