Re: Online D Conference
On Tuesday, 17 March 2020 at 00:58:18 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Starting a new thread for this instead of hijacking others. I've seen announcements by Apple, Microsoft, etc to host their conferences online. That's what some are doing in the current situation so lets learn from them.
Re: Online D Conference
Motivating Questions: What is the difference between an "Online Conference" and watching something on youtube? If the answer is nothing, don't bother with a conference, just create a youtube channel. If the answer is a conference is nothing like watching stuff on youtube... you better consciously and actively organise it to be different. What is the difference between "Online" and "Meat space"? If the answer is "Nothing", you will have a guy, selected by a papers committee, standing in front of an empty hall talking at the camera. Otherwise you can think much much wider... * screencasts * massively multiprogrammer online sessions * remove the paper selection committee and replace it with redditlike upvotes * or write a paper like you write a library, collaboratively, on github, with PR's. * Have game sessions, virtual choirs, ... whatever can turn online handles into humans. Disclaimer: I was involved in arranging linuxconfau 2019 and observed first hand that meatspace conferences impose huge and tight constraints on what is possible... Some things are about meatspace are very nice (eat! drink! be merry!). Some things cost a huge amount and decrease the value of the conference. (Very tight limits on number of tracks / papers, attendees, health and safety, transport, accommodation, flights, .)
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On 3/16/2020 12:36 PM, Walter Bright wrote: Oh, I'm quite in favor of an online conference. Anyone who wants to step up and take charge of it has my support. Everyone, I've started a new thread for an online DConf. Please post there instead of here. Thanks!
Online D Conference
Starting a new thread for this instead of hijacking others.
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On 3/16/20 5:00 PM, SashaGreat wrote: On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 20:56:41 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: ...and just set up a discord server for communication or use slack (does slack support audio channels?). Please if this happen, let's choose free (Open Source) tools and preferably without need of any installation. Both slack and discord are accessible via web without installation. At least on discord, the audio channels are there too. -Steve
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:36:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote: "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said anything one way or the other about doing something online. Oh, I'm quite in favor of an online conference. Anyone who wants to step up and take charge of it has my support. Working on it. A few people have contacted me with offers of advice and support. Should have something to announce in a few weeks.
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 20:56:41 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: ...and just set up a discord server for communication or use slack (does slack support audio channels?). Please if this happen, let's choose free (Open Source) tools and preferably without need of any installation. Sasha.
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 20:00:46 UTC, Murilo wrote: That was such an ignorant interpretation, Sasha, you're simply accusing the guy of being this and that just because he didn't use the words you'd like. Grow up please. As I wrote before, let Walter answer for himself. I'm not accusing anyone, I just wrote over what I read and interesting enough, now Walter said he's in favor of an online meeting. Please shut up. Sasha.
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:36:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote: "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said anything one way or the other about doing something online. Oh, I'm quite in favor of an online conference. Anyone who wants to step up and take charge of it has my support. This is nice to hear. Sasha.
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On 3/16/20 4:04 PM, Les De Ridder wrote: On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:58:20 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:36:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote: "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said anything one way or the other about doing something online. Anyone who wants to step up and take charge of it has my support. Same here. We could use Jitsi[1]. It's video conferencing software that works on all common platforms (including browser through WebRTC), and supports screen sharing/presentations, it has a recording feature, and it also has text chat and moderation features. [1] https://jitsi.org/ I think I can say that the issues facing us for having an online conference aren't of a technical nature. There are tons of solutions we can look at, many of them free. What we really need is someone who can organize the thing. I'd definitely be down for attending and/or presenting, but probably not organizing. I will say this, I think we should at LEAST have a hackathon on a Saturday as planned, and just set up a discord server for communication or use slack (does slack support audio channels?). -Steve
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:58:20 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:36:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote: "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said anything one way or the other about doing something online. Anyone who wants to step up and take charge of it has my support. Same here. We could use Jitsi[1]. It's video conferencing software that works on all common platforms (including browser through WebRTC), and supports screen sharing/presentations, it has a recording feature, and it also has text chat and moderation features. [1] https://jitsi.org/
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 11:43:58 UTC, SashaGreat wrote: First I totally agree with Online Conference, but on the other hand I don't think this will fly in this community, because for what I see unfortunately Walter is trapped in the past and for him it's: in-person meeting or NOTHING. I came to this conclusion after seeing his responses in this thread, like: I'm pretty upset about it, I was really looking forward to it. But we really had no choice. Well we have a choice, online meeting. Next year, we're going to have it even if a meteor strike is imminent :-) I know it's a sarcasm, but by this response he prefer to put people's life in risk instead of trying an online version and see how it goes. There's just nothing like an in-person meeting, and hefting a pint with friends and colleagues that makes our differences melt away. Of course, but in this case an online version would be better than nothing. In the end Walter could have said let's try something online and see how it works, but there were no incentive, and this is strange in the period of time where meeting online is pretty standard and cheaper for many of us. Sasha. That was such an ignorant interpretation, Sasha, you're simply accusing the guy of being this and that just because he didn't use the words you'd like. Grow up please.
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:36:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote: "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said anything one way or the other about doing something online. Oh, I'm quite in favor of an online conference. Anyone who wants to step up and take charge of it has my support. Same here.
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote: "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said anything one way or the other about doing something online. Oh, I'm quite in favor of an online conference. Anyone who wants to step up and take charge of it has my support.
Re: Tracing D Applications
On Sunday, 15 March 2020 at 09:47:52 UTC, drug wrote: 15.03.2020 03:19, WebFreak001 пишет: On Friday, 13 March 2020 at 19:00:01 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: This post by Alexandr Druzhinin shows three different approaches to tracing, using writef and external tools. Blog: https://dlang.org/blog/2020/03/13/tracing-d-applications/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/fi4qfw/tracing_d_applications/ doesn't load here :/ What do you mean? blog page loads forever and then times out just like in https://forum.dlang.org/thread/vyzzptpssxqbfveeb...@forum.dlang.org
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 13:59:44 UTC, SashaGreat wrote: On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 13:36:02 UTC, bachmeier wrote: On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 11:43:58 UTC, SashaGreat wrote: First I totally agree with Online Conference, but on the other hand I don't think this will fly in this community, because for what I see unfortunately Walter is trapped in the past and for him it's: in-person meeting or NOTHING. Walter's opinion is irrelevant to anything beyond his own participation. Anybody can organize an online conference without Walter. Of course, but I really think that if the heads of organization shown some appreciations and their incentives would help this idea to fly. "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said anything one way or the other about doing something online.
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 13:36:02 UTC, bachmeier wrote: On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 11:43:58 UTC, SashaGreat wrote: First I totally agree with Online Conference, but on the other hand I don't think this will fly in this community, because for what I see unfortunately Walter is trapped in the past and for him it's: in-person meeting or NOTHING. Walter's opinion is irrelevant to anything beyond his own participation. Anybody can organize an online conference without Walter. Of course, but I really think that if the heads of organization shown some appreciations and their incentives would help this idea to fly. (Setting aside issues with your interpretation of what he wrote.) I think Walter can speak for himself and don't need any "advocates" in his behalf, and don't diminish my way of interpreting things. Finally It's pretty clear in this thread that Walter never stood or said anything in favor of online conference. Sasha.
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 11:43:58 UTC, SashaGreat wrote: First I totally agree with Online Conference, but on the other hand I don't think this will fly in this community, because for what I see unfortunately Walter is trapped in the past and for him it's: in-person meeting or NOTHING. Walter's opinion is irrelevant to anything beyond his own participation. Anybody can organize an online conference without Walter. (Setting aside issues with your interpretation of what he wrote.)
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 08:28:21 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 21:58:06 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Let's do a little online thing instead! We could do a chat room, livestream, blog, you know stuff like that. As has already been echoed in prior messages, I too am sad but not surprised by this announcement, particularly as every other tech conference or meeting has been met by the similar fates over the last few weeks. If running Dconf as an online operation is of interest to any of the organizers, take a look at how LibrePlanet2020 is running their shop. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/libreplanet-day-1-can-free-software-carry-an-entire-online-conference-yes-it-can First I totally agree with Online Conference, but on the other hand I don't think this will fly in this community, because for what I see unfortunately Walter is trapped in the past and for him it's: in-person meeting or NOTHING. I came to this conclusion after seeing his responses in this thread, like: I'm pretty upset about it, I was really looking forward to it. But we really had no choice. Well we have a choice, online meeting. Next year, we're going to have it even if a meteor strike is imminent :-) I know it's a sarcasm, but by this response he prefer to put people's life in risk instead of trying an online version and see how it goes. There's just nothing like an in-person meeting, and hefting a pint with friends and colleagues that makes our differences melt away. Of course, but in this case an online version would be better than nothing. In the end Walter could have said let's try something online and see how it works, but there were no incentive, and this is strange in the period of time where meeting online is pretty standard and cheaper for many of us. Sasha.
Re: DConf 2020 Canceled
On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 21:58:06 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Let's do a little online thing instead! We could do a chat room, livestream, blog, you know stuff like that. As has already been echoed in prior messages, I too am sad but not surprised by this announcement, particularly as every other tech conference or meeting has been met by the similar fates over the last few weeks. If running Dconf as an online operation is of interest to any of the organizers, take a look at how LibrePlanet2020 is running their shop. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/libreplanet-day-1-can-free-software-carry-an-entire-online-conference-yes-it-can
