Re: D Contributor Tutorials Part 1 - Building the Compiler From Source
On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 19:28:59 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote: The Wiki is outdated and mentions tools that do not exist https://wiki.dlang.org/Building_under_Windows I haven't been able to build druntime on Windows. I have just updated the page to make it clear that DM make is needed even when not using Visual Studio. Which tools does it mention that don't exist? I updated it with the little information i had but that still wasn't enough to be able to build the whole thing I even asked on the forum for some help, wich was met with silence https://forum.dlang.org/thread/aapqglgpugyuimhof...@forum.dlang.org?page=1 Well some people replied, but it didn't really help.
Re: D Contributor Tutorials Part 1 - Building the Compiler From Source - Windows
On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 11:27:14 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: In this first tutorial of the series, he gives an overview of what happens when compiling a D source file, then shows how to set up an environment from which to build dmd and the standard library/runtime binary. The next video will use this setup to start making changes to dmd. Thanks, this is great (for posix builds). However I'm not sure the Windows instructions in the video are correct. It is good Dennis mentioned to use DM make as the wiki only mentioned that for the VS build instructions (I have updated it to make it clear). I tried running `make -f win32.mak` from the phobos root and got this: ``` Error: don't know how to make '../dmd/druntime/lib/druntime.lib' ``` So it seems on Windows druntime still does have to be built before that (unlike on Linux). So I ran `make -f win32.mak` from dmd/druntime and got this error: ``` ..\compiler\..\generated\windows\release\32\dmd -c -of=errno_c_32omf.obj -m32omf -conf= -O -release -preview=dip1000 -preview=fieldwise -preview=dtorfields -inline -w -Isrc -Iimport -v -P=-I. src\core\stdc\errno.c predefs DigitalMars LittleEndian D_Version2 all Windows Win32 CRuntime_DigitalMars CppRuntime_DigitalMars D_InlineAsm D_InlineAsm_X86 X86 D_ModuleInfo D_Exceptions D_TypeInfo D_HardFloat D_Optimized binary..\compiler\..\generated\windows\release\32\dmd.exe version v2.101.0-rc.1-72-g5c3dafa06f config DFLAGS(none) include src\importc.h sppn.exe src\core\stdc\errno.c -HIsrc\importc.h -ED -oerrno.i -I. Error: C preprocess command sppn.exe failed for file src\core\stdc\errno.c, exit status 1 failed launching sppn.exe src\core\stdc\errno.c -HIsrc\importc.h -ED -oerrno.i -I. ``` I don't know what `sppn.exe` is. --- Before trying phobos win32.mak I also tried the win64.mak but it needs `cl.exe` which apparently I can get here: https://ftp.digitalmars.com/bup.zip But chrome says 'Your connection is not private' and won't let me download that even if I look under Advanced. I also tried curl: ``` curl: (60) SSL: no alternative certificate subject name matches target host name 'ftp.digitalmars.com' More details here: https://curl.se/docs/sslcerts.html curl failed to verify the legitimacy of the server and therefore could not establish a secure connection to it. To learn more about this situation and how to fix it, please visit the web page mentioned above. ```
Re: D Contributor Tutorials Part 1 - Building the Compiler From Source
On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 19:28:59 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote: While this video definitely help, but i'm not going to rewind to find information on a 7minutes video, it should be a simple document, with a set of simple scripts and they should put accessible under the DMD repo It shouldn't be that convoluted Yes, the document is better. Although it takes more time to produce, it saves users' time, which is worthwhile for D ecology .
Re: GDC documentation is online and 13.x development updates.
On Sunday, 15 January 2023 at 19:00:50 UTC, Johan wrote: On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 12:13:59 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: Hi, There is now (long overdue) expanded documentation of the user-facing features of GDC online on GCC's documentation site. https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gdc/ Just now, I had trouble finding this. I don't think there is a pointer on GDC's own website? (https://gdcproject.org/) Hi Johan, Good point, I really need to give a bit more TLC to the site repository.
Re: D Language Foundation Monthly Meeting Summary for December 2022
On Saturday, 21 January 2023 at 04:29:28 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Robert spoke up then to suggest deprecating @property and releasing a tool that removes it from a code base. Then we should apply that tool to create pull requests for all dub packages using @property, and then in a future release, we kill it. Anyone affected by the removal can then run the tool on their own code. He added that we should do this with any feature we decide to remove. This is the modern way of software development: you don't just break someone's code, you break their code and give them a tool to fix it. I agree with that 100%, perhaps the feature should be built in into DUB, it can already detect the compilers and its version, so it can do all the heavy lifting already Compile times keep getting slower. Why doesn't an LSP implementation come with DMD? Why don't we have a compiler daemon? Why aren't his build times sub one second? All my projects fully recompile in around 1s, i am sad when i see libraries that tank the compile speed to multiple seconds.. I ended up writing my own runtime and my own std, this is why i advocate for language enhancements rather than putting more template soup into the std And i agree even more on the language server, Jan did an amazing work with serve-d, but it highlights 2 problems: - slow to compile, wich makes contributing a pain - DCD is basically too basic, doesn't even support most D features including templates SumType is really awesome, and we should really do something with it. I agree, SumType is a great piece of library, it should be promoted as a language feature The first involved dub's settings file, settings.json. As he put it, have you ever seen a program that asked you to write its settings using JSON? There had been some favorable responses to the idea of moving to YAML from some core contributors a few years back. It just needed someone to do it. He asked if we were okay with the move. Átila said we probably shouldn't keep JSON, but wondered if YAML was the best choice. What about TOML? This sparked a minor bikeshedding discussion, but there was no major opposition to Mathias's plan. (He has since opened a draft PR. Sönke Ludwig wants to see a broader discussion of this before finalizing it, so I expect Mathias will ask for community feedback at some point.) I agree, json is not a good file format, it doesn't even support comments and is annoying to parse A simple ini file would be 10x better already, no need complicated parsers like YAML or TML Robert thinks Rust has won that game. We're the second person to the moon. Put @safe on top, disallow taking addresses of the stack, don't allow returning ref, and don't allow pointer arithmetic. That's as safe as we need to be. D's niche is on top of Rust and under TypeScript. That's where we need to be. That may not be the most popular opinion in the group, but he was alone in his room and no one could hurt him. He thinks C++ has been sinking, but it's probably going to keep sinking until he's dead and will never sink completely, but Rust will take that over. Rust is also taking over some of the web world because it compiles easily to web assembly. I DISAGREE fully, Rust has not won "that game", there is a similar negative sentiment about rust, "too complicated", "too hard", "bad syntax", "slow to compile", etc The future will be many languages, each being best at certain domains, we seen it with the rise of Go, doing what it do best with the cli/web/server/containers and nothing else WASM? C/C++ won the game, Abobe is the perfect example, it's not simple hello world Rust people are doing, it's full commercial projects https://web.dev/ps-on-the-web/ Same with games
second edition of Build Web Apps in Vibe.d by learning from a learner
Hi, I just uploaded a second edition of the tutorial I uploaded on Github last year. Here is the link: https://github.com/reyvaleza/vibed/blob/main/Build%20Web%20Apps%20in%20Vibed%20second%20edition.pdf Thanks!
Re: second edition of Build Web Apps in Vibe.d by learning from a learner
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 01:48:11 UTC, Rey Valeza wrote: Hi, I just uploaded a second edition of the tutorial I uploaded on Github last year. Here is the link: https://github.com/reyvaleza/vibed/blob/main/Build%20Web%20Apps%20in%20Vibed%20second%20edition.pdf Thanks! Nice, thanks for your work # 😃
Re: second edition of Build Web Apps in Vibe.d by learning from a learner
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 01:48:11 UTC, Rey Valeza wrote: Hi, I just uploaded a second edition of the tutorial I uploaded on Github last year. Here is the link: https://github.com/reyvaleza/vibed/blob/main/Build%20Web%20Apps%20in%20Vibed%20second%20edition.pdf Thanks! First look... nice job :-)
