Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On 2015-10-20 19:08, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Thanks for the inquiry. We've had our first organizational meeting during which we decided to proceed with creating an EIN (Employer Identification Number), which we have since acquired: 47-5352856. Also we decided to proceed with creating a bank account. I'm currently investigating choosing an appropriate bank, preferably United Bank of Do Not Rip Me Off. Suggestions welcome. We'll also proceed with inquiring for an accountant to deal with foundation's yearly taxes. To address your question: there are currently three officers: Walter Bright (President), Ali Çehreli (Secretary), and myself (Vice President and Treasurer). A member is a supporter and possibly sponsor of the Foundation. We're considering several membership kinds (e.g. honorific, student, individual, corporate) and levels, some that entail a sponsorship, and some that involve no monetary involvement. An officer is an administrator of the Foundation. We have been advised independently by our attorney and by a different foundation creator that we should keep officers to a minimum, three being the sweet spot. Please create a new thread with the above summary or something similar. More officers means more politics. So we're moving forward with three officers for the time being. Of course the foundation can have several employees that are not officers; we hope to get there soon. So currently there are 100% officers, that means 100% politics. Meaning nothing will get done :) Sorry, I couldn't help myself :) -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
SvDda> There is some other issues, but I hope to fix it's after site revive. Anyway, if you need help, please feel free to ask. I do speak Russian :). -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile Twitter: @m_elensule; Facebook: menelion My blog: http://menelion.oire.org/ Original message From: Suliman via Digitalmars-d-announce To: digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com Date created: , 11:28:20 PM Subject: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated On Tuesday, 20 October 2015 at 19:54:29 UTC, Andre Polykanine wrote: > Hello Suliman, > > SvDda> I hope that I can be helpful as admin of Russian > community or > SvDda> something like it. At present time we end working at our > SvDda> dlang.ru, for my regret the work on CMS take more then > one year, > > Do you need any help? Thanks, but now we almost end. We still have few critical bugs, on of them is URL format, but work in progress. When our programmer will finish with it, we will open site. There is some other issues, but I hope to fix it's after site revive.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Tuesday, 20 October 2015 at 19:54:29 UTC, Andre Polykanine wrote: Hello Suliman, SvDda> I hope that I can be helpful as admin of Russian community or SvDda> something like it. At present time we end working at our SvDda> dlang.ru, for my regret the work on CMS take more then one year, Do you need any help? Thanks, but now we almost end. We still have few critical bugs, on of them is URL format, but work in progress. When our programmer will finish with it, we will open site. There is some other issues, but I hope to fix it's after site revive.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
Hello Suliman, SvDda> I hope that I can be helpful as admin of Russian community or SvDda> something like it. At present time we end working at our SvDda> dlang.ru, for my regret the work on CMS take more then one year, Do you need any help? -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile Twitter: @m_elensule; Facebook: menelion My blog: http://menelion.oire.org/ Original message From: Suliman via Digitalmars-d-announce To: digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com Date created: , 11:19:03 PM Subject: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 16:12:42 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > On 10/17/15 4:06 PM, suliman wrote: >> Can anybody outside USA join to the foundation? > > As a member, yes. We'll define private and corporate membership > with sponsorship levels etc. > > As an officer, I'm not sure; I'll ask. Anyway we want to keep > the number of officers small for the time being. > > > Thanks, > > Andrei I hope that I can be helpful as admin of Russian community or something like it. At present time we end working at our dlang.ru, for my regret the work on CMS take more then one year, but I hope that it will be open soon. Again very sorry for long promises to open site "in next few weeks" , but it's very hard to do with there is primary job. Andrei, with whom I can talk about dsource.org? I am thinking that it can be very good collective forum (project forum) for D. I hope that our CMS that will be released very soon would be good for it. This NG can be stay for technical questions, while dsource could become collective blog as part of D Foundation. What do you think about it?
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Tuesday, 20 October 2015 at 17:08:42 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Walter Bright (President) A snap election in US? ;) Congrats Mr President. Piotrek
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On 10/18/2015 02:35 AM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Saturday, October 17, 2015 19:12:41 Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On 10/17/15 4:06 PM, suliman wrote: Can anybody outside USA join to the foundation? As a member, yes. We'll define private and corporate membership with sponsorship levels etc. As an officer, I'm not sure; I'll ask. Anyway we want to keep the number of officers small for the time being. I think that it's going to need to be made clear what it even means to be either a member or an officer. And does any of that relate to the development teams for the various d-programming-language projects on github? While having an official, legal entity for D aside from Digital Mars is certainly a big step, I'm not sure that it's at all clear what it really means or how it will affect D aside from the fact that it's an entity to which people can donate money and which will then spend that money towards the betterment of D. Certainly, none of that is clear to me, and I expect that it's the same for many others (and much of it may be completely undecided at this point, but these are details that are going to need to be clear to the D community at some point and which aren't necessarily particularly clear right now). Thanks for the inquiry. We've had our first organizational meeting during which we decided to proceed with creating an EIN (Employer Identification Number), which we have since acquired: 47-5352856. Also we decided to proceed with creating a bank account. I'm currently investigating choosing an appropriate bank, preferably United Bank of Do Not Rip Me Off. Suggestions welcome. We'll also proceed with inquiring for an accountant to deal with foundation's yearly taxes. To address your question: there are currently three officers: Walter Bright (President), Ali Çehreli (Secretary), and myself (Vice President and Treasurer). A member is a supporter and possibly sponsor of the Foundation. We're considering several membership kinds (e.g. honorific, student, individual, corporate) and levels, some that entail a sponsorship, and some that involve no monetary involvement. An officer is an administrator of the Foundation. We have been advised independently by our attorney and by a different foundation creator that we should keep officers to a minimum, three being the sweet spot. More officers means more politics. So we're moving forward with three officers for the time being. Of course the foundation can have several employees that are not officers; we hope to get there soon. Thanks, Andrei
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Monday, October 19, 2015 14:37:50 Suliman via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > > dsource.org exists only for archival purposes, and IMHO, that's > > how it should stay. > > > > - Jonathan M Davis > > I do not think that it's good idea to storage D1 stuff forever. > The stuff can be backup to old.dsource.org or so. D need more > actual materials then saving retro-stuff. Regardless of whether dsource.org sticks around as an archive for old projects in the long run, I think that it would be a serious mistake to reuse the URL for anything else. It is already known and has a reputation - and that reputation is _not_ for whatever you might want to use it for now. If you want a new site for D, then come up with a new site. Don't try and recycle an old one that's already well-known for something else and already well-known to be a site that does not contain new material. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Monday, 19 October 2015 at 14:54:34 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 10/19/2015 10:49 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2015-10-19 13:18, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: Has anyone tried GitLab (was Gitorious)? Yes, we're using at work. It's what you use if you don't want to pay for GitHub :). I think it's really good, almost as good as GitHub. From what I've seen, I think it's better than GitHub. Although I haven't really used it for an actual project yet. in my experience it is not better than github but closer to github and i think in near future it will be better.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On 2015-10-19 16:54, Nick Sabalausky wrote: From what I've seen, I think it's better than GitHub. Although I haven't really used it for an actual project yet. I've used both GitHub and GitLab quite a lot and I prefer GitHub. It feels more polished overall. But what's nice about GitLab is that it's open source and I really like GitLab CI, which is bundled. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On 2015-10-19 17:21, bachmeier wrote: Not really. If you have a .edu email address, you get an unlimited Bitbucket account for free. It's popular with academics for that reason. No setup and no heavy hardware requirements to deal with. Well, if you're a company and don't want to put your code in the cloud. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 20:19:05 UTC, Suliman wrote: Andrei, with whom I can talk about dsource.org? I am thinking that it can be very good collective forum (project forum) for D. I hope that our CMS that will be released very soon would be good for it. This NG can be stay for technical questions, while dsource could become collective blog as part of D Foundation. What do you think about it? The question of an official D blog arose recently, so I posted here, and Mike Parker said that he would like to work on that. Apparently (before I was using D) he did something similar. http://forum.dlang.org/post/suemsfczrpmrzywdb...@forum.dlang.org The more people willing to work on it the better IMO. But please work together to avoid what seems to happen in some form with every initiative of this community.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Monday, 19 October 2015 at 14:49:12 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: It's what you use if you don't want to pay for GitHub :). Not really. If you have a .edu email address, you get an unlimited Bitbucket account for free. It's popular with academics for that reason. No setup and no heavy hardware requirements to deal with.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On 10/19/2015 10:49 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2015-10-19 13:18, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: Has anyone tried GitLab (was Gitorious)? Yes, we're using at work. It's what you use if you don't want to pay for GitHub :). I think it's really good, almost as good as GitHub. From what I've seen, I think it's better than GitHub. Although I haven't really used it for an actual project yet.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On 2015-10-19 13:18, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: Has anyone tried GitLab (was Gitorious)? Yes, we're using at work. It's what you use if you don't want to pay for GitHub :). I think it's really good, almost as good as GitHub. It comes bundled with a GitLab CI as well, which is nice. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
dsource.org exists only for archival purposes, and IMHO, that's how it should stay. - Jonathan M Davis I do not think that it's good idea to storage D1 stuff forever. The stuff can be backup to old.dsource.org or so. D need more actual materials then saving retro-stuff.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Sun, 2015-10-18 at 14:52 -0700, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d- announce wrote: > […] > I expect that you're going to get a fair bit of disagreement on that. > We've > been telling everyone for years that it's full of old stuff that > mostly > only works with old versions of D (most of it D1) and that it should > usually > be avoided because of that. Pretty much anything like what it was > doing is > done on github now. Resurrecting dsource.org would just cause > confusion at > this point. dsource.org exists only for archival purposes, and IMHO, > that's > how it should stay. The stories of GoogleCode and Codehaus are that a system set up for CVS/Subversion cannot compete with GitHub and BitBucket in the DVCS- era. Has anyone tried GitLab (was Gitorious)? SourceForge is trying to rework itself, but it is very resource intensive, and this only really viable for an organization with large funds. All the other "forges" that I have been associated with are now either gone or left lying around as archives for historical purposes. dsource.org is not, in my opinion, worth resurrecting to try and compete with GitHub and BitBucket. If there is some non-code-hosting role not fulfilled by dlang.org then maybe, but as it is I would make the notice on the front page of dsource.org much larger and then just let it be. -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:04:36 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: We're very excited about the creation of the D Language Foundation and we hold high hopes that it will have a strong positive effect on the D language and community. Andrei Looking forward to reading more details about it :P
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Sunday, 18 October 2015 at 21:52:17 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: I expect that you're going to get a fair bit of disagreement on that. We've been telling everyone for years that it's full of old stuff that mostly only works with old versions of D (most of it D1) and that it should usually be avoided because of that. Pretty much anything like what it was doing is done on github now. Resurrecting dsource.org would just cause confusion at this point. dsource.org exists only for archival purposes, and IMHO, that's how it should stay. I agree with this SO much. dsource is straight up toxic for the image of D wants to project. Keep projects on github please.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:12:18 Suliman via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > >I think a new website will be much better suited for this task. > I do not think that we should diffuse efforts and yet another > site is bad idea. And now dsource is not live, so it's better > revive it then create fork. I expect that you're going to get a fair bit of disagreement on that. We've been telling everyone for years that it's full of old stuff that mostly only works with old versions of D (most of it D1) and that it should usually be avoided because of that. Pretty much anything like what it was doing is done on github now. Resurrecting dsource.org would just cause confusion at this point. dsource.org exists only for archival purposes, and IMHO, that's how it should stay. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:04:36 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: We are pleased to announce that the D Language Foundation is now incorporated with the state of Washington, USA. The foundation's Board of Directors are Walter Bright, Ali Çehreli, and myself. Our initial administrative meeting will take place on Monday. Agenda includes EIN (Employee Identification Number) application, funding, and immediate plans for the foundation. Going forward we're applying for a non-profit status, which is a longer process (3-6 months). We're very excited about the creation of the D Language Foundation and we hold high hopes that it will have a strong positive effect on the D language and community. Andrei Excellent news. I hope the foundation is the shot in the arm that D needs.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
I think a new website will be much better suited for this task. I do not think that we should diffuse efforts and yet another site is bad idea. And now dsource is not live, so it's better revive it then create fork. I currently host dsource.org as a read-only archive ok, when we are done I will write you
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Saturday, October 17, 2015 19:12:41 Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On 10/17/15 4:06 PM, suliman wrote: > > Can anybody outside USA join to the foundation? > > As a member, yes. We'll define private and corporate membership with > sponsorship levels etc. > > As an officer, I'm not sure; I'll ask. Anyway we want to keep the number > of officers small for the time being. I think that it's going to need to be made clear what it even means to be either a member or an officer. And does any of that relate to the development teams for the various d-programming-language projects on github? While having an official, legal entity for D aside from Digital Mars is certainly a big step, I'm not sure that it's at all clear what it really means or how it will affect D aside from the fact that it's an entity to which people can donate money and which will then spend that money towards the betterment of D. Certainly, none of that is clear to me, and I expect that it's the same for many others (and much of it may be completely undecided at this point, but these are details that are going to need to be clear to the D community at some point and which aren't necessarily particularly clear right now). - Jonathan M Davis
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 20:19:05 UTC, Suliman wrote: Andrei, with whom I can talk about dsource.org? I currently host dsource.org as a read-only archive. I am thinking that it can be very good collective forum (project forum) for D. I think a new website will be much better suited for this task.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On 10/17/15 11:19 PM, Suliman wrote: Andrei, with whom I can talk about dsource.org? Brad Anderson He's very nice but just busy with things. I think he'd be glad to do what's right if we make it reasonably easy for him. Andrei
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Saturday, 17 October 2015 at 16:12:42 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 10/17/15 4:06 PM, suliman wrote: Can anybody outside USA join to the foundation? As a member, yes. We'll define private and corporate membership with sponsorship levels etc. As an officer, I'm not sure; I'll ask. Anyway we want to keep the number of officers small for the time being. Thanks, Andrei I hope that I can be helpful as admin of Russian community or something like it. At present time we end working at our dlang.ru, for my regret the work on CMS take more then one year, but I hope that it will be open soon. Again very sorry for long promises to open site "in next few weeks" , but it's very hard to do with there is primary job. Andrei, with whom I can talk about dsource.org? I am thinking that it can be very good collective forum (project forum) for D. I hope that our CMS that will be released very soon would be good for it. This NG can be stay for technical questions, while dsource could become collective blog as part of D Foundation. What do you think about it?
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On 10/17/15 4:06 PM, suliman wrote: Can anybody outside USA join to the foundation? As a member, yes. We'll define private and corporate membership with sponsorship levels etc. As an officer, I'm not sure; I'll ask. Anyway we want to keep the number of officers small for the time being. Thanks, Andrei
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Can anybody outside USA join to the foundation?
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
Hi, Congratulations! Awesome news! I hope it will be a great adventure for all of us! Piotrek
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:04:36 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: We are pleased to announce that the D Language Foundation is now incorporated with the state of Washington, USA. ... Andrei Congratulations! I hope this accelerate many things.
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:04:36 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: We are pleased to announce that the D Language Foundation is now incorporated with the state of Washington, USA. The foundation's Board of Directors are Walter Bright, Ali Çehreli, and myself. ... We're very excited about the creation of the D Language Foundation and we hold high hopes that it will have a strong positive effect on the D language and community. Many congratulations! Very much looking forward to what the future of the Foundation will bring. :-)
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:04:36 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: We are pleased to announce that the D Language Foundation is now incorporated with the state of Washington, USA. The foundation's Board of Directors are Walter Bright, Ali Çehreli, and myself. Our initial administrative meeting will take place on Monday. Agenda includes EIN (Employee Identification Number) application, funding, and immediate plans for the foundation. Going forward we're applying for a non-profit status, which is a longer process (3-6 months). We're very excited about the creation of the D Language Foundation and we hold high hopes that it will have a strong positive effect on the D language and community. Andrei Congratulations! I'm very excited about the advantages this can bring to our community! Please keep us posted!
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:04:36 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Andrei I'll keep my fingers crossed! ;)
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On Friday, 16 October 2015 at 10:04:36 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: We are pleased to announce that the D Language Foundation is now incorporated with the state of Washington, USA. The foundation's Board of Directors are Walter Bright, Ali Çehreli, and myself. Our initial administrative meeting will take place on Monday. Agenda includes EIN (Employee Identification Number) application, funding, and immediate plans for the foundation. Going forward we're applying for a non-profit status, which is a longer process (3-6 months). We're very excited about the creation of the D Language Foundation and we hold high hopes that it will have a strong positive effect on the D language and community. Andrei Congratulations! Looking forward to seeing where this goes :)
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
Andrei Alexandrescu píše v Pá 16. 10. 2015 v 13:04 +0300: > We are pleased to announce that the D Language Foundation is now > incorporated with the state of Washington, USA. The foundation's > Board > of Directors are Walter Bright, Ali Çehreli, and myself. > > Our initial administrative meeting will take place on Monday. Agenda > includes EIN (Employee Identification Number) application, funding, > and > immediate plans for the foundation. > > Going forward we're applying for a non-profit status, which is a > longer > process (3-6 months). > > We're very excited about the creation of the D Language Foundation > and > we hold high hopes that it will have a strong positive effect on the > D > language and community. > > > Andrei > Foundation First foundation, where I am going to donate some money :).
Re: The D Language Foundation is now incorporated
On 16/10/15 11:04 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: We are pleased to announce that the D Language Foundation is now incorporated with the state of Washington, USA. The foundation's Board of Directors are Walter Bright, Ali Çehreli, and myself. Our initial administrative meeting will take place on Monday. Agenda includes EIN (Employee Identification Number) application, funding, and immediate plans for the foundation. Going forward we're applying for a non-profit status, which is a longer process (3-6 months). We're very excited about the creation of the D Language Foundation and we hold high hopes that it will have a strong positive effect on the D language and community. Andrei Awesome! Congrats.