Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 03/25/2015 10:38 PM, weaselcat wrote: >> Anyone know if there's been any comparisons of different >> heapSizeFactor values? Primarly, compared to the default 2, 1.5 or 1.618. > > has anyone working on the GC actually done any comparisons of the new > options? Yes, we compared different values and 2 was a good compromise. Higher values will result in less collections but use more memory, which lower values will trigger more collections (slowing down your program) while requiring less memory.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
Am 04.04.2015 um 18:43 schrieb John Colvin: On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 22:50:29 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote: Am 24.03.2015 um 23:14 schrieb John Colvin: On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 21:31:42 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On 03/24/2015 10:11 PM, John Colvin wrote: This cannot be added to homebrew until there is a new stable release of dub. Why is that? Anyhow dub is in beta and ready soon. Current stable dub fails to build with 2.067.0, so it would break the homebrew dub package. You mean 2.067.0 fails to build DUB, right? I just had a hard time remembering anything that DUB would have to do differently when building something with 2.067.0 ;) I think we can tag an RC in the current state, all important fixes are done, AFAIK. How's the RC going? Going well so far, there are some additional fixes in the current RC2. I'll tag the final release tomorrow or on Monday.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 22:50:29 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote: Am 24.03.2015 um 23:14 schrieb John Colvin: On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 21:31:42 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On 03/24/2015 10:11 PM, John Colvin wrote: This cannot be added to homebrew until there is a new stable release of dub. Why is that? Anyhow dub is in beta and ready soon. Current stable dub fails to build with 2.067.0, so it would break the homebrew dub package. You mean 2.067.0 fails to build DUB, right? I just had a hard time remembering anything that DUB would have to do differently when building something with 2.067.0 ;) I think we can tag an RC in the current state, all important fixes are done, AFAIK. How's the RC going?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 00:24:12 -0700, Walter Bright wrote: > On 3/28/2015 11:03 AM, ketmar wrote: >> sure. main D developers shown that they have no respect for other's >> work (see Andrei calling H.S.Teoh's work of splitting std.algorithm >> "useless", >> or Walter blaming me that "the project is badly designed" when it >> wasn't even my project and i didn't wrote a single line there, and have >> no understanding of codebase at all), so why should i think that my >> time is less valuable than theirs? > > > You may interpret what others say as you see fit, but when using "" or > >, please ensure that the quote is accurately verbatim. ok. "isn't well modularized and encapsulated". that surely means "badly designed" for me. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On 3/28/2015 11:03 AM, ketmar wrote: sure. main D developers shown that they have no respect for other's work (see Andrei calling H.S.Teoh's work of splitting std.algorithm "useless", or Walter blaming me that "the project is badly designed" when it wasn't even my project and i didn't wrote a single line there, and have no understanding of codebase at all), so why should i think that my time is less valuable than theirs? You may interpret what others say as you see fit, but when using "" or >, please ensure that the quote is accurately verbatim.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 06:12:26 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 06:02:55 UTC, ketmar wrote: >> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 05:57:59 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 06:16:59 UTC, ketmar wrote: i told about that, but nobody cares, as usual. >>> >>> Told where? >> >> in "general", as i mentioned before in this thread. > > Ah, I only now understood what you meant by "general". > > Here's the thread: > > http://forum.dlang.org/post/mec4i0$sej$7...@digitalmars.com > > Fair enough, I did miss it (although I could think of a better subject). > > Please file a regression issue with steps to reproduce, and the details > you have already discovered? there is no need to, as Kenji already did that (i'm sorry for being intrusive with my mails to him), and even made a fix. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 06:04:05 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 06:01:41 UTC, ketmar wrote: >> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 05:56:52 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: >> >>> 3. Contact me directly for assistance in using DustMite. I'd be happy >>> to help. >> >> can you make my box faster and do my work while it dustmites the big >> codebase? i didn't know that you are such a wizard. > > If I can reproduce the bug, I could have a go at reducing it myself. that's great. but i can't see how "assistance in using dustmite" means "i will do it myself". besides, i can google and read good enough to find and read dustmite wiki by myself. maybe i'm not a genius, but i'm not dumb. dustmite is a great tool, thank you for it. but please, stop accusing me of not doing the things i did a long time before. maybe there were some other reasons beyond illiteracy that forces me to write in NG seeking voluteers to help. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 06:02:55 UTC, ketmar wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 05:57:59 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 06:16:59 UTC, ketmar wrote: i told about that, but nobody cares, as usual. Told where? in "general", as i mentioned before in this thread. Ah, I only now understood what you meant by "general". Here's the thread: http://forum.dlang.org/post/mec4i0$sej$7...@digitalmars.com Fair enough, I did miss it (although I could think of a better subject). Please file a regression issue with steps to reproduce, and the details you have already discovered?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 06:01:41 UTC, ketmar wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 05:56:52 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: 3. Contact me directly for assistance in using DustMite. I'd be happy to help. can you make my box faster and do my work while it dustmites the big codebase? i didn't know that you are such a wizard. If I can reproduce the bug, I could have a go at reducing it myself.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 05:56:52 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > 3. Contact me directly for assistance in using DustMite. I'd be happy to > help. can you make my box faster and do my work while it dustmites the big codebase? i didn't know that you are such a wizard. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 05:57:59 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 06:16:59 UTC, ketmar wrote: >> i told about that, but nobody cares, as usual. > > Told where? in "general", as i mentioned before in this thread. really, the topic is very easy to locate. that nice web interface can even show topicstarter nick! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 11:25:50 UTC, ketmar wrote: Was it filed at issues.dlang.org as a regression? nope, it's not. i was asking for help in "general" (building minimised sample), but nobody was interested. Asked where?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 05:58:33 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 11:25:50 UTC, ketmar wrote: >>> Was it filed at issues.dlang.org as a regression? >> >> nope, it's not. i was asking for help in "general" (building minimised >> sample), but nobody was interested. > > Asked where? there. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 06:16:59 UTC, ketmar wrote: i told about that, but nobody cares, as usual. Told where?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sunday, 29 March 2015 at 02:47:42 UTC, lobo wrote: On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 14:12:19 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: Do you think your time is more valuable than that of D contributors' or something? This attitude is crap and is becoming more frequent on the forums. The D development team is not interested in listening to their user base unless the user base is willing to contribute back to D language development with PRs. Not sure how this is related to the discussion at hand. Contributors are more likely to have enough experience with the language to make better suggestions, though. I think that from an outside perspective, it's hard to lose sight that D has no well-defined "devteam". Aside Walter and Andrei, there are no cabals or inner circles. D contributors are all D users who also like to spend some time to improve D. Good luck with that because most end-users will not bother even trying to file a bug report, let alone distill it down with some tool in the compiler download. They'll just move on in another language that doesn't require effort fighting compiler/language bugs. Missing the point. Here is what Ketmar could have done: 1. Create a regression issue with the unreduced test case. This is OK. I occasionally check for unreduced regressions, though usually someone beats me to it. 2. Ask for help with the reduction (e.g. digitalmars.D.learn). He said he did, but I don't see where! Posting deep in some thread doesn't count, very few people read the entire forum. 3. Contact me directly for assistance in using DustMite. I'd be happy to help. I don't think these are unreasonable expectations. If you fail or refuse to at least do the above, and then complain how everything and everyone is horrible, I have no sympathy for you.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 02:47:40 +, lobo wrote: > This attitude is crap and is becoming more frequent on the forums. the funny thing is that D devs managed to convert me from loyal adopter to "asshole". and this has nothing to do with rejecting my ideas per se, btw. the situation now is... bizarre: i love D with passion, but i don't like W&A "driving force" almost with the same passion. that doesn't mean that i'm not grateful to W&A for creating this piece of art, though. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 14:12:19 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 05:35:57 UTC, ketmar wrote: On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 04:55:47 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: But honestly, there already exists so much information on how to use DustMite... ...that people in bugzilla keep asking what it is. Not knowing what something is and not wanting to learn how to use it are different things. ANYONE should be able to use DustMite or Digger to reduce a test case down to reasonable size. having a big codebase that you didn't wrote and never read took 12 hours to dustmite. not that i can just leave it unattended though, as compiler itself segfaults sometimes, and that effectively leaves dustmite frozen. so it not only eats resources of my box (and i have a work to do, and that work involves compiling big codebases too), but it requires my attention. but yes, it's entirely my fault that i cannot afford such resources and asking for help, i know. Honestly, did you even try? https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite/wiki/Detecting-a-segfault-in-dmd-itself https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite/wiki/Running-commands-with-a-timeout https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite/wiki/Useful-test-scripts Or did you just give up after the first difficulty, saying, "well, I tried"? Do you think your time is more valuable than that of D contributors' or something? This attitude is crap and is becoming more frequent on the forums. The D development team is not interested in listening to their user base unless the user base is willing to contribute back to D language development with PRs. Good luck with that because most end-users will not bother even trying to file a bug report, let alone distill it down with some tool in the compiler download. They'll just move on in another language that doesn't require effort fighting compiler/language bugs. bye, lobo
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:12:17 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > Honestly, did you even try? how do you think, where that "12 hours" came from? > Do you think your time is more valuable than that of D contributors' or > something? sure. main D developers shown that they have no respect for other's work (see Andrei calling H.S.Teoh's work of splitting std.algorithm "useless", or Walter blaming me that "the project is badly designed" when it wasn't even my project and i didn't wrote a single line there, and have no understanding of codebase at all), so why should i think that my time is less valuable than theirs? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 05:35:57 UTC, ketmar wrote: On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 04:55:47 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: But honestly, there already exists so much information on how to use DustMite... ...that people in bugzilla keep asking what it is. Not knowing what something is and not wanting to learn how to use it are different things. ANYONE should be able to use DustMite or Digger to reduce a test case down to reasonable size. having a big codebase that you didn't wrote and never read took 12 hours to dustmite. not that i can just leave it unattended though, as compiler itself segfaults sometimes, and that effectively leaves dustmite frozen. so it not only eats resources of my box (and i have a work to do, and that work involves compiling big codebases too), but it requires my attention. but yes, it's entirely my fault that i cannot afford such resources and asking for help, i know. Honestly, did you even try? https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite/wiki/Detecting-a-segfault-in-dmd-itself https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite/wiki/Running-commands-with-a-timeout https://github.com/CyberShadow/DustMite/wiki/Useful-test-scripts Or did you just give up after the first difficulty, saying, "well, I tried"? Do you think your time is more valuable than that of D contributors' or something?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/27/2015 11:06 PM, deadalnix wrote: That being said I rarely face bugs in a single module. Usually bug arise in situation like instantiate the a template from another template in another module by passing an alias parameter from a symbol in a 3rd module. I've noticed this problem with Phobos, which is why I've been advocating breaking up the modules into encapsulated pieces.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 04:36:18 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/26/2015 3:53 PM, ketmar wrote: filling bugs like "this huge project not compiling!" is not working, as nobody wants to run dustmite on such projects, people just waiting for issue author to provide more information. Realistically, people who want to work on bug fixing are going to work on ones that have already been isolated and filed. If you've got a "huge project that's not compiling" and don't know where to start, that implies it isn't well modularized and encapsulated. That being said I rarely face bugs in a single module. Usually bug arise in situation like instantiate the a template from another template in another module by passing an alias parameter from a symbol in a 3rd module. Dustmite help to get a smaller repro case, but it literally takes ages to get one.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 04:55:47 +, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > But honestly, there already exists so much information on how to use > DustMite... ...that people in bugzilla keep asking what it is. > ANYONE should be able to > use DustMite or Digger to reduce a test case down to reasonable size. having a big codebase that you didn't wrote and never read took 12 hours to dustmite. not that i can just leave it unattended though, as compiler itself segfaults sometimes, and that effectively leaves dustmite frozen. so it not only eats resources of my box (and i have a work to do, and that work involves compiling big codebases too), but it requires my attention. but yes, it's entirely my fault that i cannot afford such resources and asking for help, i know. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 21:36:15 -0700, Walter Bright wrote: > On 3/26/2015 3:53 PM, ketmar wrote: >> filling bugs like "this huge project not compiling!" is not working, as >> nobody wants to run dustmite on such projects, people just waiting for >> issue author to provide more information. > > Realistically, people who want to work on bug fixing are going to work > on ones that have already been isolated and filed. > > If you've got a "huge project that's not compiling" and don't know where > to start, that implies it isn't well modularized and encapsulated. thank you for supporting my POV on not reporting bugs. that is what i wanted to told to John, yes. i must admit, though, that it wasn't even project of mine. but nevermind. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 at 04:36:18 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/26/2015 3:53 PM, ketmar wrote: filling bugs like "this huge project not compiling!" is not working, as nobody wants to run dustmite on such projects, people just waiting for issue author to provide more information. Realistically, people who want to work on bug fixing are going to work on ones that have already been isolated and filed. There are also people who don't mind helping to reduce bugs so the compiler hackers can fix them quickly. But honestly, there already exists so much information on how to use DustMite, I don't know what else can be said. ANYONE should be able to use DustMite or Digger to reduce a test case down to reasonable size.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/26/2015 3:53 PM, ketmar wrote: filling bugs like "this huge project not compiling!" is not working, as nobody wants to run dustmite on such projects, people just waiting for issue author to provide more information. Realistically, people who want to work on bug fixing are going to work on ones that have already been isolated and filed. If you've got a "huge project that's not compiling" and don't know where to start, that implies it isn't well modularized and encapsulated.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/26/15 1:16 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 20:08:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I communicated to an acquaintance at HackerNews and he noticed that their spam algorithm misclassified the post. He has subsequently restored the post's standing (which got back to a slightly lower position due to the time spanned). -- Andrei Is it possible that we're still triggering their voting ring detectors? Yah, he told me so. Maybe we shouldn't announce HN posts here at all? We did things by the book, and hopefully we can count on them improving their algorithms. Andrei
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:23:08 +, John Colvin wrote: >>> Was it filed at issues.dlang.org as a regression? >> >> nope, it's not. i was asking for help in "general" (building minimised >> sample), but nobody was interested. neither do i, actually, as i >> believe that `alias this` is an abomination and ugly hack. maybe Kenji >> will fill the bug if he'll find a time for that. > > This is (one of the many reasons) why we can't have nice things. You > knew there was a regression and you didn't report it. A report without a > minimised example is still better than no report at all, especially if > it's a regression! i tried that before, and it's simply not working this way. there was not enough information to fill the bug report in the first place, as i didn't even know that it's `alias this` to blame. i have other things to do and i can't exclusively dedicate my box to dustmiting that issue (it finally took me 12 hours to dustmite it; yes, it's 12 full hours), so i asked for help in main NG. as nobody was willing to help, i considered that issue unimportant. filling bugs like "this huge project not compiling!" is not working, as nobody wants to run dustmite on such projects, people just waiting for issue author to provide more information. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Wednesday, 25 March 2015 at 21:38:15 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin from the reddit thread: Anyone know if there's been any comparisons of different heapSizeFactor values? Primarly, compared to the default 2, 1.5 or 1.618. has anyone working on the GC actually done any comparisons of the new options? nothing?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 20:08:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I communicated to an acquaintance at HackerNews and he noticed that their spam algorithm misclassified the post. He has subsequently restored the post's standing (which got back to a slightly lower position due to the time spanned). -- Andrei Is it possible that we're still triggering their voting ring detectors? Maybe we shouldn't announce HN posts here at all?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/26/15 9:13 AM, Jack Death wrote: On Wednesday, 25 March 2015 at 21:13:14 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/25/15 1:32 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/25/15 12:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/24/15 10:07 AM, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. Spreading the news: [snip] Nice, we seem to be on HackerNews' front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/ And apparently we did something wrong - somehow we fell in minutes from position 11 to position 41. -- Andrei maybe people don't give a s**t? I communicated to an acquaintance at HackerNews and he noticed that their spam algorithm misclassified the post. He has subsequently restored the post's standing (which got back to a slightly lower position due to the time spanned). -- Andrei
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin This is an awesome release. Thanks to all involved! :)
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 16:13:11 UTC, Jack Death wrote: On Wednesday, 25 March 2015 at 21:13:14 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/25/15 1:32 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/25/15 12:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/24/15 10:07 AM, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. Spreading the news: [snip] Nice, we seem to be on HackerNews' front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/ And apparently we did something wrong - somehow we fell in minutes from position 11 to position 41. -- Andrei maybe people don't give a s**t? now over 80 they can and do move things up and down.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Wednesday, 25 March 2015 at 21:13:14 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/25/15 1:32 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/25/15 12:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/24/15 10:07 AM, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. Spreading the news: [snip] Nice, we seem to be on HackerNews' front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/ And apparently we did something wrong - somehow we fell in minutes from position 11 to position 41. -- Andrei maybe people don't give a s**t? now over 80
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 11:25:50 UTC, ketmar wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:13:42 +, John Colvin wrote: On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 06:16:59 UTC, ketmar wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:56:29 +, Tove wrote: On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin Congrats! Although, I must admit, I was a little saddened to see that multiple alias this didn't make the release, I thought it was finalized... I should have kept a closer watch. and even single `alias this` is broken, so deadcode can't be build with 2.067. i told about that, but nobody cares, as usual. Was it filed at issues.dlang.org as a regression? nope, it's not. i was asking for help in "general" (building minimised sample), but nobody was interested. neither do i, actually, as i believe that `alias this` is an abomination and ugly hack. maybe Kenji will fill the bug if he'll find a time for that. This is (one of the many reasons) why we can't have nice things. You knew there was a regression and you didn't report it. A report without a minimised example is still better than no report at all, especially if it's a regression!
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:13:42 +, John Colvin wrote: > On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 06:16:59 UTC, ketmar wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:56:29 +, Tove wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin >>> >>> Congrats! Although, I must admit, I was a little saddened to see that >>> multiple alias this didn't make the release, I thought it was >>> finalized... I should have kept a closer watch. >> >> and even single `alias this` is broken, so deadcode can't be build with >> 2.067. i told about that, but nobody cares, as usual. > > Was it filed at issues.dlang.org as a regression? nope, it's not. i was asking for help in "general" (building minimised sample), but nobody was interested. neither do i, actually, as i believe that `alias this` is an abomination and ugly hack. maybe Kenji will fill the bug if he'll find a time for that. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 06:16:59 UTC, ketmar wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:56:29 +, Tove wrote: On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin Congrats! Although, I must admit, I was a little saddened to see that multiple alias this didn't make the release, I thought it was finalized... I should have kept a closer watch. and even single `alias this` is broken, so deadcode can't be build with 2.067. i told about that, but nobody cares, as usual. Was it filed at issues.dlang.org as a regression?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:56:29 +, Tove wrote: > On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: >> Glad to announce D 2.067.0. >> >> https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ >> >> -Martin > > Congrats! Although, I must admit, I was a little saddened to see that > multiple alias this didn't make the release, I thought it was > finalized... I should have kept a closer watch. and even single `alias this` is broken, so deadcode can't be build with 2.067. i told about that, but nobody cares, as usual. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 08:07:17 +, thedeemon wrote: > On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: >> Glad to announce D 2.067.0. >> >> See the changelog for more details. >> http://dlang.org/changelog.html > > I don't see any mention of DIP25 here (Sealed references - return ref > arguments etc.). Was it implemented and included in this release? it is, but it's still "opt-in" feature. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/25/2015 1:07 AM, thedeemon wrote: I don't see any mention of DIP25 here (Sealed references - return ref arguments etc.). Was it implemented and included in this release? Yes.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Thursday, 26 March 2015 at 01:44:44 UTC, Brad Anderson wrote: That's a good idea. Maybe use separate files for each changelog entry (which are then combined into into the actual changelog by the dlang.org makefile). Then there wouldn't be merge conflicts with basically every pull request. [snip] Just noticed you mention merge=union. That's a neat feature. I'd never seen it before.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 18:18:44 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: [snip] What I'm regretting more, is that I have to run after every contributor, bugging them 3 times to write a single changelog line. One way to improve this would be to have changelogs in the dmd/druntime/phobos repo and make the entries part of the pull requests. That's a good idea. Maybe use separate files for each changelog entry (which are then combined into into the actual changelog by the dlang.org makefile). Then there wouldn't be merge conflicts with basically every pull request. Something like: changelog/v[upcoming dmd version]-[bugzilla issue number]-[github username].log (e.g., changelog/v2.068.0-314-9rnsr.log)
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin from the reddit thread: Anyone know if there's been any comparisons of different heapSizeFactor values? Primarly, compared to the default 2, 1.5 or 1.618. has anyone working on the GC actually done any comparisons of the new options?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/25/15 1:32 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/25/15 12:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/24/15 10:07 AM, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. Spreading the news: [snip] Nice, we seem to be on HackerNews' front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/ And apparently we did something wrong - somehow we fell in minutes from position 11 to position 41. -- Andrei
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/25/15 12:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 3/24/15 10:07 AM, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. Spreading the news: [snip] Nice, we seem to be on HackerNews' front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/ Andrei
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/24/15 10:07 AM, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. Spreading the news: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/580813910363791362 https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/30abhy/d_2067_released_with_506_improvements_across/ https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/1039091439437870 https://news.ycombinator.com/newest Andrei
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/24/15, Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > Glad to announce D 2.067.0. Great work! It's amazing seeing how much work you guys are putting in and making D better with each new release.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. -Martin Congratulations!!!
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Wednesday, 25 March 2015 at 14:42:44 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 23:00:56 UTC, Mathias Lang wrote: Congrats to everyone involved ! A special thanks to Martin, that helped a lot to get Vibe.d ready for 2.067, and reverted the problematic changes when we realize it wasn't gonna cut it. What were the reverted changes? https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/pull/1188
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 23:00:56 UTC, Mathias Lang wrote: Congrats to everyone involved ! A special thanks to Martin, that helped a lot to get Vibe.d ready for 2.067, and reverted the problematic changes when we realize it wasn't gonna cut it. What were the reverted changes?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:07:42 +0100 Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > Glad to announce D 2.067.0. > > This release comes with many improvements. > The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ > interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. > > See the changelog for more details. > http://dlang.org/changelog.html > > Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few > hours. > > http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ > http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ > > Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get > them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ > > -Martin Thanks for your work. One minor issue in changelog DMD Compiler enhancements 14. Bugzilla 13388: accept '@' before 'nothrow' and 'pure' I think this shoud not be here
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Wednesday, 25 March 2015 at 02:02:50 UTC, Paul O'Neil wrote: I have been eagerly awaiting this release for a while - especially for std.experimental.logger! let me know how you like it! I always need feedback on it
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html I don't see any mention of DIP25 here (Sealed references - return ref arguments etc.). Was it implemented and included in this release?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Wednesday, 25 March 2015 at 02:53:02 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote: a) A global variable that is only read before init of runtime b) CLI args c) CLI variables So, wheres d? Configure by function call. I think I should get more involved with druntime development.. You need to configure the runtime before starting it, hence it's not possible to do this as function call from your program.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 25/03/2015 6:07 a.m., Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin I just want to confirm something. It's possible to configure the GC using: a) A global variable that is only read before init of runtime b) CLI args c) CLI variables So, wheres d? Configure by function call. I think I should get more involved with druntime development..
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 03/24/2015 01:07 PM, Martin Nowak wrote: > Glad to announce D 2.067.0. > > This release comes with many improvements. > The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ > interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. > > See the changelog for more details. > http://dlang.org/changelog.html > > Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. > > http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ > http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ > > Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. > https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ > > -Martin > I have been eagerly awaiting this release for a while - especially for std.experimental.logger! -- Paul O'Neil Github / IRC: todayman
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Thanks to everyone who helped make this happen! This release sounds like a solid milestone in multiple crucial areas. Here's to the next release!
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/24/2015 10:58 AM, Dicebot wrote: Arch Linux packages have been uploaded. I am very grateful to Martin for handling this release. It was done very professionally and thanks to beta discussions/testing we did some great breakthrough in release stability by providing deprecation paths for several non-critical bug fixes. Also some intrusive runtime changes has been reverted to re-add them in next release with better migration experience - extremely pleased to see that too. I too am thrilled with the great job Martin has done.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
There are now two release candidates with source compatibility fixes for DMD 2.067.0 out for testing: DUB 0.9.23-rc.1: http://code.dlang.org/download vibe.d 0.7.23-rc.4: http://code.dlang.org/packages/vibe-d/0.7.23-rc.4 If no regressions or major issues show up, I'll tag the vibe.d release tomorrow and the DUB one in a week.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
Am 25.03.2015 um 00:00 schrieb Mathias Lang via Digitalmars-d-announce: 2015-03-24 18:07 GMT+01:00 Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce mailto:digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com>>: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin Congrats to everyone involved ! A special thanks to Martin, that helped a lot to get Vibe.d ready for 2.067, and reverted the problematic changes when we realize it wasn't gonna cut it. +1
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thx for the release. i's just like to point a problem with the distribution of the local html doc: https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14329
Re: Release D 2.067.0
2015-03-24 18:07 GMT+01:00 Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce < digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com>: > Glad to announce D 2.067.0. > > This release comes with many improvements. > The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ > interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. > > See the changelog for more details. > http://dlang.org/changelog.html > > Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. > > http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ > http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ > > Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them > here. > https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ > > -Martin > Congrats to everyone involved ! A special thanks to Martin, that helped a lot to get Vibe.d ready for 2.067, and reverted the problematic changes when we realize it wasn't gonna cut it.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:58:54 UTC, Dicebot wrote: Arch Linux packages have been uploaded. Thanks for maintaining the D packages on arch.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
Am 24.03.2015 um 23:14 schrieb John Colvin: On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 21:31:42 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On 03/24/2015 10:11 PM, John Colvin wrote: This cannot be added to homebrew until there is a new stable release of dub. Why is that? Anyhow dub is in beta and ready soon. Current stable dub fails to build with 2.067.0, so it would break the homebrew dub package. You mean 2.067.0 fails to build DUB, right? I just had a hard time remembering anything that DUB would have to do differently when building something with 2.067.0 ;) I think we can tag an RC in the current state, all important fixes are done, AFAIK.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 21:31:42 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On 03/24/2015 10:11 PM, John Colvin wrote: This cannot be added to homebrew until there is a new stable release of dub. Why is that? Anyhow dub is in beta and ready soon. Current stable dub fails to build with 2.067.0, so it would break the homebrew dub package.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin Congrats! Although, I must admit, I was a little saddened to see that multiple alias this didn't make the release, I thought it was finalized... I should have kept a closer watch. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/3998
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 03/24/2015 10:11 PM, John Colvin wrote: > This cannot be added to homebrew until there is a new stable release of > dub. Why is that? Anyhow dub is in beta and ready soon.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 18:01:26 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Yes, amazing job. Let's gear up for the next release with http://wiki.dlang.org/DIP75 sooner! -- Andrei Well 2 month, that's right before dconf, sounds like a good plan.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 19:54:06 UTC, Brad Roberts wrote: For what it's worth, that's how things were setup a long time ago (by me), but a lot of people argued enough that it was dropped. I can't remember why. If you look at the existing changelogs, they are much more detailed. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/blob/f77b38705bd12395c5a62f3bd4567a2935debbf1/changelog.dd Merge conflicts in changelog can be reduced using merge=union, btw. https://about.gitlab.com/2015/02/10/gitlab-reduced-merge-conflicts-by-90-percent-with-changelog-placeholders/
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 19:00:07 UTC, rumbu wrote: Congratulations! Before launching it in the wild, can *mscoff.lib libraries included in the package? Sorry, we'll try to get that for the next release which will come pretty soon. Noone noticed me of that to change the release scripts and it didn't yet have enough test exposure.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin This cannot be added to homebrew until there is a new stable release of dub.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 19:18:22 +0100, Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > What I'm regretting more, is that I have to run after every contributor, > bugging them 3 times to write a single changelog line. > > One way to improve this would be to have changelogs in the > dmd/druntime/phobos repo and make the entries part of the pull requests. One thing that I've seen done and liked is that branches worthy of release notes drop a file in somewhere like docs/release/notes/dev/$branchname.md or something (pick your favorite doc format and path) and then making notes for an actual release is taking those, collating them and finally cleaning out the directory for the next release. --Ben
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On 2015-03-24 20:33, Dicebot wrote: Yes, sounds reasonable. Those can be included into dlang.org automatically as part of release script anyway. In the meantime, just require that a language change should have a corresponding pull request for the changelog before merging. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/24/2015 11:18 AM, Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: One way to improve this would be to have changelogs in the dmd/druntime/phobos repo and make the entries part of the pull requests. For what it's worth, that's how things were setup a long time ago (by me), but a lot of people argued enough that it was dropped. I can't remember why.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 18:59:53 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 3/24/15 2:18 PM, Martin Nowak wrote: One way to improve this would be to have changelogs in the dmd/druntime/phobos repo and make the entries part of the pull requests. +1000 -Steve Yes, sounds reasonable. Those can be included into dlang.org automatically as part of release script anyway.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
Congratulations! Before launching it in the wild, can *mscoff.lib libraries included in the package?
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/24/15 2:18 PM, Martin Nowak wrote: One way to improve this would be to have changelogs in the dmd/druntime/phobos repo and make the entries part of the pull requests. +1000 -Steve
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 03/24/2015 07:00 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > > I have one regret - the changelog is a lot more scarce than it should > because it doesn't list (or link to) a complete list of bugfixes. The > impression to first comers is that we have a release with 8 total items. > Hardly impressive. > > Also the date on the release in the changelog page is wrong - it > remained "Mar 1, 2015" aka our "I have a dream" date :o). Should be fixed by now, as announcement said "within a few hours". https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/920 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/933 What I'm regretting more, is that I have to run after every contributor, bugging them 3 times to write a single changelog line. One way to improve this would be to have changelogs in the dmd/druntime/phobos repo and make the entries part of the pull requests.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/24/15 10:07 AM, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ Congratulations to everyone involved! This is a significant release - really a change of phase in the community - because for the first time neither Walter nor I participated in the actual release process (except with engineering bits, Walter a lot more). Congratulations, Martin! Let's announce this more widely after the binaries become available. I have one regret - the changelog is a lot more scarce than it should because it doesn't list (or link to) a complete list of bugfixes. The impression to first comers is that we have a release with 8 total items. Hardly impressive. Also the date on the release in the changelog page is wrong - it remained "Mar 1, 2015" aka our "I have a dream" date :o). Andrei
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 3/24/15 10:58 AM, Dicebot wrote: Arch Linux packages have been uploaded. Thanks! I am very grateful to Martin for handling this release. It was done very professionally and thanks to beta discussions/testing we did some great breakthrough in release stability by providing deprecation paths for several non-critical bug fixes. Also some intrusive runtime changes has been reverted to re-add them in next release with better migration experience - extremely pleased to see that too. Yes, amazing job. Let's gear up for the next release with http://wiki.dlang.org/DIP75 sooner! -- Andrei
Re: Release D 2.067.0
Arch Linux packages have been uploaded. I am very grateful to Martin for handling this release. It was done very professionally and thanks to beta discussions/testing we did some great breakthrough in release stability by providing deprecation paths for several non-critical bug fixes. Also some intrusive runtime changes has been reverted to re-add them in next release with better migration experience - extremely pleased to see that too.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin Congratz! What exactly changed wrt C++ interop (changelog is not really helpful)? Also, as I reported some time ago (as 2.067 changelog is the default from D main page for some time), link (in the "Version D 2.067 Mar 1, 2015") is broken
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On 03/24/2015 06:22 PM, CraigDillabaugh wrote: > > Congratulations to Martin and everyone else who contributed. And particularly thanks to Kenji and Walter for the fast bug fixing.
Re: Release D 2.067.0
On Tuesday, 24 March 2015 at 17:08:03 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin Congratulations to Martin and everyone else who contributed. Craig
Release D 2.067.0
Glad to announce D 2.067.0. This release comes with many improvements. The GC is a lot faster for most use-cases, we have improved C++ interoperability and fixed plenty of bugs. See the changelog for more details. http://dlang.org/changelog.html Download pages and documentation will be updated within the next few hours. http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.067.0/ http://ftp.digitalmars.com/ Until the binaries are mirrored to the official site, you can get them here. https://dlang.dawg.eu/downloads/dmd.2.067.0/ -Martin
