On Saturday, 29 November 2014 at 02:43:14 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
via Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:
On Saturday, November 29, 2014 01:30:55 Ledd via
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:
On Friday, 28 November 2014 at 12:35:28 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
What is missing?
an ISO standard ?
Someday, maybe, but most languages don't have an ISO standard,
and I really
on't see what it would buy us. What we're generally missing
most is
manpower. Putting a bunch of effort into formalizing it in a
standard
wouldn't really help us. If anything, it would just take away
manpower from
actually getting code written, getting bugs fixed, etc. And
even if getting
an ISO standard for D were a goal, C++ was something like 20
years old
before it got an ISO standard, so even those languages that do
have
standards didn't generally get them very early in their
development, meaning
that we're not necessarily slow about getting a standard in
comparison to
those languages that do.
- Jonathan M Davis
It depends on what kind of languages you are talking about .
There are de facto standards that basically don't need any
standard mostly because there isn't even a real competition so
the users that want to code and solve a certain problem can't
even look at real alternatives, for example what are the
alternatives when it comes to Postscript or TeX/LaTeX ? They are
basically de facto standards .
There are also languages that are linking their lifetime to a
main language, for example languages that transcode to other
languages don't really need a standard because they are just an
extra layer on top of another language. There are examples of
languages that have source-to-source compilers to C, Javascript
and Lua for example .
Given the ambitions of D I can't see how you can pretend to be a
relevant language without a standard, it also boils down to
creating a reliable ecosystem and make a contract with the
community. Do you think that this situation is doing any good to
D ? For example there is a significant lack of tools in D where
C/C++ have plenty of tools for anything since forever, especially
in the last years with llvm .
Name even just 1 tool in D that is comparable with the
counterpart in C/C++, or try to rate the ecosystem for D after 13
years of existence .
Do you really think that a system language, or just a language
that aims to be popular, can possibly discard the idea of getting
into an international standard ?
I still can't recall any major language that doesn't have a
standard, what is the language/s you are thinking about ?
