Re: D on AArch64 CPU

[David J Kordsmeier via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Thursday, 10 August 2017 at 07:00:55 UTC, David J Kordsmeier 
wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 08:37:53 UTC, Johannes Pfau 
wrote:


Iain recently updated GDC & phobos up to 2.074 and we have a 
pull request for 2.075. So don't worry about fixing old GDC 
phobos/druntime versions, recent gdc git branches should 
already have AArch64 phobos changes.


We have a test runner for AArch and GDC master here: 
https://buildbot.dgnu.org/#/builders/2/builds/29


There are still some failing test suite tests though and 
AFAICS we currently don't build phobos on that CI at all.


(We can run ARM/AArch tests without special hardware, thanks to
QEMU's user mode emulation)

-- Johannes


Thanks both for the reply.   I'll be interested to try both gdc 
and the ldc cross compiler options.


BTW - I randomly decided to check on the latest status of builds 
today, to see if by chance AARCH64 is passing the buildbot tests 
run for GDC.  Pleased to find, that actually as of four days ago, 
it is passing:


https://buildbot.dgnu.org/#/builders/2/builds/45/steps/3/logs/stdio

Looking forward to jumping back into D.

Re: D on AArch64 CPU

[David J Kordsmeier via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 at 08:37:53 UTC, Johannes Pfau wrote:


Iain recently updated GDC & phobos up to 2.074 and we have a 
pull request for 2.075. So don't worry about fixing old GDC 
phobos/druntime versions, recent gdc git branches should 
already have AArch64 phobos changes.


We have a test runner for AArch and GDC master here: 
https://buildbot.dgnu.org/#/builders/2/builds/29


There are still some failing test suite tests though and AFAICS 
we currently don't build phobos on that CI at all.


(We can run ARM/AArch tests without special hardware, thanks to
QEMU's user mode emulation)

-- Johannes


Thanks both for the reply.   I'll be interested to try both gdc 
and the ldc cross compiler options.

Re: D on AArch64 CPU

[Johannes Pfau via Digitalmars-d-learn]

Am Sun, 14 May 2017 15:05:08 +
schrieb Richard Delorme :

> I recently bought the infamous Raspberry pi 3, which has got a 
> cortex-a53 4 cores 1.2 Ghz CPU (Broadcom). After installing on it 
> a 64 bit OS (a non official fedora 25), I was wondering if it was 
> possible to install a D compiler on it.
> 

> I finally try GDC, on 6.3 gcc, and with support of version 2.68 
> of the D language. After struggling a little on a few 
> phobos/druntime files, I got a compiler here too:
> $ gdc --version
> gdc (GCC) 6.3.0
> Copyright © 2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> 

Iain recently updated GDC & phobos up to 2.074 and we have a pull
request for 2.075. So don't worry about fixing old GDC phobos/druntime
versions, recent gdc git branches should already have AArch64 phobos
changes.

We have a test runner for AArch and GDC master here:
https://buildbot.dgnu.org/#/builders/2/builds/29

There are still some failing test suite tests though and AFAICS we
currently don't build phobos on that CI at all.

(We can run ARM/AArch tests without special hardware, thanks to
QEMU's user mode emulation)

-- Johannes

Re: D on AArch64 CPU

[Joakim via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Sunday, 6 August 2017 at 06:26:57 UTC, David J Kordsmeier 
wrote:
Also, why I don't look at LDC further, I think RAM on the 
embedded devices is still pretty skimpy, Raspi3 only has 1GB 
ram.
 It's not great for compiling with the LLVM-based things and 
probably run OOM.  Other devices I have only have 512MB ram.  
So gcc is usually fine in these circumstances.


Don't know about gdc, but ldc is close (most of the listed 
upstream PRs are merged):


https://github.com/ldc-developers/ldc/issues/2153

As for memory, ldc can be used to cross-compile from a more 
capable machine, the official builds all ship with the AArch64 
backend enabled now:


https://github.com/ldc-developers/ldc/releases/tag/v1.3.0

The next ldc beta will ship with a build tool that lets you 
easily compile or cross-compile the stdlib yourself, so you can 
generate the stdlib for AArch64 even if it isn't provided:


https://github.com/ldc-developers/ldc/pull/2253

Re: D on AArch64 CPU

[David J Kordsmeier via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Sunday, 14 May 2017 at 15:05:08 UTC, Richard Delorme wrote:
I recently bought the infamous Raspberry pi 3, which has got a 
cortex-a53 4 cores 1.2 Ghz CPU (Broadcom). After installing on 
it a 64 bit OS (a non official fedora 25), I was wondering if 
it was possible to install a D compiler on it.




Richard, I would be interested in working through the GDC issues 
further with you if you haven't completely given up on this.  I 
am surprised the response is that there is still no official 
support.  I am struggling on nearly every project I have on 
aarch64 with really lagging support for a wide variety of 
software, mainly platform support in more complex builds that 
does not include aarch64, and clearly the compilers all need more 
core level work to bring up a language and programming toolchains 
in a new environment.  I think Go, for example, isn't fully 
supported on aarch64, and Rust has the same issue.


If you are still available, I would like to share notes on the 
GDC 6.3 work that you started, and see if we can work through the 
issues with the core team.  I realize there is probably some lack 
of visibility into the interest that exists in the ARM-embedded 
area for D, but I've been using gdc on ARM since 2014.  It has 
been reasonably good for me, however, with the migration of many 
device manufacturers to AARCH64, most notably the Raspi3 and all 
of the hordes of Android devices hitting the market, there is a 
substantial installed base.


I can commit some hardware to builds also, and have some contacts 
in the industry around arm stuff, so it shouldn't be hard to find 
more dedicated gear if this helps teams like the GDC team who may 
not have access to gear to even run nightly builds.


Honestly, I stopped using D when I ran into this issue, was 
hoping, as you, that "someone should fix this".  However, that's 
not how good OSS works, and I'm willing to put some cycles on it 
if there is a way forward.  At the time, I had to make some fast 
decisions and opted to rewrite my code base in C.  I look forward 
to hearing from you and anyone else interested in working 
on/contributing to this topic.


Also, why I don't look at LDC further, I think RAM on the 
embedded devices is still pretty skimpy, Raspi3 only has 1GB ram. 
 It's not great for compiling with the LLVM-based things and 
probably run OOM.  Other devices I have only have 512MB ram.  So 
gcc is usually fine in these circumstances.

Re: D on AArch64 CPU

[Marco Leise via Digitalmars-d-learn]

Am Sun, 14 May 2017 15:11:09 +
schrieb Richard Delorme :

> Or should I wait for an offcial support of this architecture?

You ARE the official support now. :)

-- 
Marco

Re: D on AArch64 CPU

[kinke via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Sunday, 14 May 2017 at 15:11:09 UTC, Richard Delorme wrote:

On Sunday, 14 May 2017 at 15:05:08 UTC, Richard Delorme wrote:

I did not touch at std.conv nor std.stdio. On LDC, the only
modification concerned math.d and gammafuntion.d, missing 
support for 128-bit floating points. On GDC, I had to complete 
the errno.d file (under linux the errors are duplicated among 
different architectures, the aarch64 being forgotten). I also 
had to modify the math.d files, taking inspiration from the 
file from the LDC compiler.


So my questions:
 - Does anybody got a working compiler on AArch64?


Almost certainly no.

 - To me the bug looks the same on both compilers, so I do not 
no where the fill a bug, to ldc? gdc? dmd? Or should I wait for 
an offcial support of this architecture?


LDC has open AArch64 issues.
One is about quadruple-real support in Phobos 
(https://github.com/ldc-developers/ldc/issues/1516), with first 
(suspended) steps towards that goal pending upstream (as all 
non-DMD compilers need this at some point; 
https://github.com/dlang/phobos/pull/4036, 
https://github.com/dlang/phobos/pull/4047).
The other LDC issue concerns the ABI, especially varargs 
(https://github.com/ldc-developers/ldc/issues/1931).


None of the currently active LDC devs work with AArch64, so help 
would be greatly appreciated.

Re: D on AArch64 CPU

[Richard Delorme via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Sunday, 14 May 2017 at 15:05:08 UTC, Richard Delorme wrote:

I did not touch at std.conv nor std.stdio. On LDC, the only
modification concerned math.d and gammafuntion.d, missing support 
for 128-bit floating points. On GDC, I had to complete the 
errno.d file (under linux the errors are duplicated among 
different architectures, the aarch64 being forgotten). I also had 
to modify the math.d files, taking inspiration from the file from 
the LDC compiler.


So my questions:
 - Does anybody got a working compiler on AArch64?
 - To me the bug looks the same on both compilers, so I do not no 
where the fill a bug, to ldc? gdc? dmd? Or should I wait for an 
offcial support of this architecture?

D on AArch64 CPU

[Richard Delorme via Digitalmars-d-learn]

I recently bought the infamous Raspberry pi 3, which has got a 
cortex-a53 4 cores 1.2 Ghz CPU (Broadcom). After installing on it 
a 64 bit OS (a non official fedora 25), I was wondering if it was 
possible to install a D compiler on it.


I first try LDC 0.17.4
After modifying some phobos/runtime file to fake support of IEEE 
Quadruple precision floating point number available on this CPU, 
I got a compiler..

$ ldc2 --version
LDC - the LLVM D compiler (0.17.4):
  based on DMD v2.068.2 and LLVM 3.9.1
  Default target: aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu
  Host CPU: (unknown)
  http://dlang.org - http://wiki.dlang.org/LDC
[...]

I then try LDC 1.2.0, but fail to compile it. Whatever if I use 
clang (3.9) or gcc (6.3), the compilation stopped at some time, 
probably because of the lack of memory of the pi 3 (1 GB).


I finally try GDC, on 6.3 gcc, and with support of version 2.68 
of the D language. After struggling a little on a few 
phobos/druntime files, I got a compiler here too:

$ gdc --version
gdc (GCC) 6.3.0
Copyright © 2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

Unfortunately both are unable to compile the following program:
//-8<
import std.conv, std.stdio;

void main() {
double pi = to!double("3.1415926");
writeln("pi = ", pi);
}
//-8<
opt/ldc-0.17.4/include/d/std/conv.d(295): Error: template 
std.conv.toImpl cannot deduce function from argument types 
!(double)(string), candidates are:
/opt/ldc-0.17.4/include/d/std/conv.d(361):
std.conv.toImpl(T, S)(S value) if (isImplicitlyConvertible!(S, T) 
&& !isEnumStrToStr!(S, T) && !isNullToStr!(S, T))
/opt/ldc-0.17.4/include/d/std/conv.d(475):
std.conv.toImpl(T, S)(ref S s) if (isRawStaticArray!S)
/opt/ldc-0.17.4/include/d/std/conv.d(491):
std.conv.toImpl(T, S)(S value) if (!isImplicitlyConvertible!(S, 
T) && is(typeof(S.init.opCast!T()) : T) && !isExactSomeString!T 
&& !is(typeof(T(value
/opt/ldc-0.17.4/include/d/std/conv.d(542):
std.conv.toImpl(T, S)(S value) if (!isImplicitlyConvertible!(S, 
T) && is(T == struct) && is(typeof(T(value
/opt/ldc-0.17.4/include/d/std/conv.d(591):
std.conv.toImpl(T, S)(S value) if (!isImplicitlyConvertible!(S, 
T) && is(T == class) && is(typeof(new T(value
/opt/ldc-0.17.4/include/d/std/conv.d(295):... (9 more, -v 
to show) ...
bug.d(4): Error: template instance std.conv.to!double.to!(string) 
error instantiating


and same for gdc:
/opt/gdc/lib/gcc/aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu/6.3.0/include/d/std/conv.d:295:24: 
erreur : template std.conv.toImpl cannot deduce function from argument types 
!(double)(string), candidates are:
 return toImpl!T(args);
^
/opt/gdc/lib/gcc/aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu/6.3.0/include/d/std/conv.d:361:3: note : 
std.conv.toImpl(T, S)(S value) if (isImplicitlyConvertible!(S, T) && 
!isEnumStrToStr!(S, T) && !isNullToStr!(S, T))
 T toImpl(T, S)(S value)
   ^
/opt/gdc/lib/gcc/aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu/6.3.0/include/d/std/conv.d:475:3: 
note : std.conv.toImpl(T, S)(ref S s) if (isRawStaticArray!S)
 T toImpl(T, S)(ref S s)
   ^
/opt/gdc/lib/gcc/aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu/6.3.0/include/d/std/conv.d:491:3: note : std.conv.toImpl(T, 
S)(S value) if (!isImplicitlyConvertible!(S, T) && is(typeof(S.init.opCast!T()) : T) && 
!isExactSomeString!T && !is(typeof(T(value
 T toImpl(T, S)(S value)
   ^
/opt/gdc/lib/gcc/aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu/6.3.0/include/d/std/conv.d:542:3: note : 
std.conv.toImpl(T, S)(S value) if (!isImplicitlyConvertible!(S, T) && is(T == struct) 
&& is(typeof(T(value
 T toImpl(T, S)(S value)
   ^
/opt/gdc/lib/gcc/aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu/6.3.0/include/d/std/conv.d:591:3: note : 
std.conv.toImpl(T, S)(S value) if (!isImplicitlyConvertible!(S, T) && is(T == class) 
&& is(typeof(new T(value
 T toImpl(T, S)(S value)
   ^
/opt/gdc/lib/gcc/aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu/6.3.0/include/d/std/conv.d:295:24: 
note : ... (9 more, -v to show) ...
 return toImpl!T(args);
^
bug.d:4:23: erreur : template instance 
std.conv.to!double.to!(string) error instantiating

  double pi = to!double("3.1415926");

I did not touch at std.conv nor std.stdio. On LDC, the only 
modification concerned math.d and gamma, missing support for 
128-bit floating points.