Re: [digitalradio] Re: Why is Mix W so popular ?
Stan, I was not putting MixW down. I am a registered user and have been for a few years and use it almost daily. No single program will satisfy everyone whether it is free or not. MixW is just one of very few that offers many thing all in one package. I have tried just about everything that is out there and there are some good ones and some that is not worth the time it takes to down load the much less the time it takes to set them up. I think it is left to each one to decide what is best for their needs JoeW4JSI Age is mind over matterIf you don't mind, it does not matter - Original Message - From: xbullworker To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Why is Mix W so popular ? --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Ivey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:>> Stan,> > I agree with you on part of what you say, but not all. I think themain reason that MixW is so popular is the fact that it does supportmost of the digital modes. > Joe> W4JSIOne thing I left out is ALL the Macro commands that Mixw has. Thisallows one to automate most everything. Also Mixw has Rigcontrol built-in.Stan K9IUQ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Why is Mix W so popular ?
I am most impressed by the macros in MMVARI. It has conditional statements, loops and menus. I'd love to see that in MixW. It would make a good program even better. To add to the list... if I understand the new architecture right, you will be able to plug-in modes instead of waiting for new releases of MixW. If the interface for the mode plug-in is published, and others use it for a distribution platform, then I think this is a great advantage to MixW. Kevin der Kinderen http://kj4qf.net/ > -Original Message- > One thing I left out is ALL the Macro commands that Mixw has. > This allows one to automate most everything. Also Mixw has > Rigcontrol built-in. > > Stan K9IUQ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: MFSK Mode Recognition
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Lindecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jerry, > > I will release the test version, before the turkey to-night, to the Multipsk > Betatesters and the definitive 3.12 version at the beginning of 2006. > > 73 > Patrick > > - Original Message - > > Hello Murray, Jerry and Walt, > > > > In the last test version of Multipsk, I've added the following > > feature: each transmission in a given mode will be prefixed by the > > name of the mode transmitted in CMT Hell. I have dimensionned the name > > so as the mode will be clearly visible on the waterfall. I actually saw a EA2 station do this yesterday on 20 mtrs. I fell outta my chair when I saw Olivia 16T 1K EA2** in the waterfall. This is just a GREAT idea, good job Patrick. Stan K9IUQ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Winlink messages by APRS
Posted by KK5CA Winlink 2000 and APRS = After the Amateur Radio response to some recent disasters, Bob Bruninga, WB4APR, presented the idea of using APRS (Automatic Position Reporting System) to enable mobile and remote APRS users to access their Winlink 2000 e-mail accounts under emergency or unusual conditions. In response, the Winlink 2000 Development Team developed APRSLink. APRSLink monitors all APRS traffic gated to the worldwide internet and watches for special commands that allow APRS users to: . Read short e-mail messages sent to their ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) account . Send short e-mail messages to any valid e-mail address or Winlink 2000 user . Perform e-mail maintenance (List, Kill, Forward, Reply, etc.) . Receive notices of pending Winlink 2000 e-mail via APRS messages . Query the APRSLink server for information on the closest Telpac or PMBO With the addition of APRSLink, APRS users now have access to full e- mail capability-albeit, only short messages-from almost anywhere; an APRS-enabled radio or APRS client software and a path to an APRS IGate are all that is required. This link between Winlink 2000 and APRS should be useful to Amateur Radio operators who find themselves in emergency or unusual circumstances but need access to an e-mail link into or out of the area. See http://www.winlink.org/aprslink.htm for additional information. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Why is Mix W so popular ?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Ivey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Stan, > > I agree with you on part of what you say, but not all. I think the main reason that MixW is so popular is the fact that it does support most of the digital modes. > Joe > W4JSI One thing I left out is ALL the Macro commands that Mixw has. This allows one to automate most everything. Also Mixw has Rigcontrol built-in. Stan K9IUQ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006
HF radio waves are blissfully ignorant of political boundaries. The concerted actions of any significant number of amateurs will affect operators around the world, especially those using low-power narrow- band modes. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Barry Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ENOUGH ALREADY!! > > The purpose of this group: (as per Yahoo Homepage): "This is a meeting > place to discuss amateur radio digital applications such as RTTY, CW, > PSK31,PSK63, MFSK16, Olivia-MFSK, Contestia,RTTYM, Chip64, THROB, ALE, > PACTOR, AMTOR, HELL, SSTV and more. There are several reflectors > dedicated to these separate modes but this group focuses on ALL digital > modes. Software applications such as MixW, Logger32, MMVARI, MMTTY, > MultiPSK, Hamscope, Winwarbler, Digipan, etc, etc, are often discussed." > > Discussion of AMERICAN internal politics does NOT fall into this > category - this has been flogged to death without any intervention from > the moderator (if anyone actually moderates this group) and is now just > getting too much to bear!!! > > Please don't burden the rest of the world with your purely INTERNAL > matters!!! > > > > -- > 73 de Barry ZS2EZ > (EX ZR2DX / ZR6DXB) > KF26TA - Port Elizabeth,South Africa > Member : PEARS, SARL, ARRL, SA AMSAT > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Why is Mix W so popular ?
MixW is a fine application, but every apples-to-apples comparsion of its PSK decoding capability with that of Moe AE4JY's PSKCORE engine (the 48 kHz version) has shown equivalent decoding capabilities. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "xbullworker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - > > Why is it so popular.? And it isn't even free ! What advantages has > > Mix W over other software ? > > > > 73, Mel G0GQK > > > > Sometimes a program is worth what you pay for it. I have used many > free digital programs and they are worth what I paid for them - zero. > > Do this: (I have done this many times with different free programs) > Start Mixw - then Start any other PSK program and see which one copys > the best error free - Mixw will win always. > > I think tho the reason Mixw is so popular is because of all the modes > it has. One program to learn all modes. Built-in logging, interface to > callbooks rig control - beam headings etc etc. > > The program is constantly being upgraded too, and upgrades are free > (how do they do this?) > > Best spent $50 in hamradio if you do digi modes. > > Stan K9IUQ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Why is Mix W so popular ?
I agree MixW is a great program why learn 10 different programs when 1 will do most modes Once everything is setup a easy program to operate most of it can be controlled by macros or f-keys Loyd K4LCHxbullworker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -> Why is it so popular.? And it isn't even free ! What advantages has > Mix W over other software ?> > 73, Mel G0GQK>Sometimes a program is worth what you pay for it. I have used manyfree digital programs and they are worth what I paid for them -zero.Do this: (I have done this many times with different free programs)Start Mixw - then Start any other PSK program and see which one copysthe best error free - Mixw will win always.I think tho the reason Mixw is so popular is because of all the modesit has. One program to learn all modes. Built-in logging, interface tocallbooks rig control - beam headings etc etc.The program is constantly being upgraded too, and upgrades are free(how do they do this?)Best spent $50 in hamradio if you do digi modes.Stan K9IUQ Loyd C.Headrick K4LCH Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Mode Recognition
Murray, How about using the modems as their own metrics, and asking the user to set the bandwidth? Some of the modes do have metrics, but others will have only character stream output which would have to be analyzed for text, but that is an easier problem to solve as it is pretty much mode independent. This approach won't work for automated decoding, but it will work for the case where the user doesn't recognize the mode, which is a common use case. Users can probably set a left and right marker at the signal limits, giving you the bandwidth. Leigh / WA5ZNU On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 9:32 am, zl1bpu wrote: > Patrick, > > I think that's a good idea, and useful for CQs - if people do't > recognise the mode first time, the waterfall will tell them for next > time you CQ is made. > > I also agree that an automatic recognition tool would be quite > complex and would give little return unless it was an expensive > commercial product. I wonder however whether there might be some > manual technique, where the program offered a series of metrics, and > a separate database: the user could (with appropriate guidance of > course) use the tools to determine whether the mode was MFSK, PSK > etc, and then measure the bandwidth and baud rate. From those you > could put together a short list of appropriate modes by searching the > database. I think you would need: > > 1. An FFT with spectrogram and long-term average spectrum display, to > determine signal bandwidth, perhaps number of tones, and to serve as > source for FSK baud rate measurement. > 2. A phase scope measuring phase shift. > 3. A correlator for baud rate measurement, either measuring from the > FSK FFT or the PSK phasemeter. > > By the way, much of this is already available in SKYSWEEPER, not that > I like the product for any other purpose than analysis. > > Any other suggestions? > > Murray ZL1BPU > > Patrick said: >> In the last test version of Multipsk, I've added the following > feature: each >> transmission in a given mode will be prefixed by the name of the > mode >> transmitted in CMT Hell. I have dimensionned the name so as the > mode will be >> clearly visible on the waterfall. > > > > > > > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > Other areas of interest: > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > > Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free > link below > http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006
Gentlemen, It is not can a voluntary band plan work, it is will it work? The answer is simply NO. Simply put everyone think they are right and everyone that does not see my side of the story is wrong. Just because it is legal to operate this mode or bandwidth on this frequency then I am going to do it. Just listen in any day on 14.230, a frequency that is a gentlemen's agreement for SSTV. You can not (in most cases) carry on a QSO without another station key up and start sending during a QSO. Most of the time is from Europe. Then there are some that has no idea where the SSTV frequencies are. There are also some that does not know what that weird noise is, and some of the are US hams. On ANY contest weekend, listen on the SSTV frequencies and see how many contester are using those frequencies for contest. Also when a RTTY contest is going on, listen around the frequencies where the other digital modes normally operate. CW is the same. Now you tell me that a bandwidth bandplan will work voluntary. If you say yes, then I see right off that you just have not been on the HF bands very much. As for the unattended station goes, I personally disagree with them. I believe there should be no unattended stations below 10 meters. Just how much of the traffic that is passed on a daily basics is worth the time of day. JoeW4JSI Age is mind over matterIf you don't mind, it does not matter - Original Message - From: Dr. Howard S. White To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006 Can't think of another NGO... locally we have repeater coordination councils.. that seem to work very well... and I do not think they are under the ARRL? Maybe we need to set up a Bandwidth Coordination Council... or something like that... But logically the ARRL would be the first choice.. __Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LAWebsite: www.ky6la.com "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished""Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" - Original Message - From: Dave Bernstein To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:12 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006 Yes, I would.I'm skeptical of the ARRL's ability to execute given its poor track record in this area. Is there an alternative NGO that could take on the mission? 73, Dave, AA6YQ--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:>> So you would accept a "mandatory" bandplan if it were in the hands of a non governmental organization [NGO] (such as ARRL) as long as it had enforcement power?> > I do not believe that there would be anarchy but> > I could probably live with a mandatory bandplan and as long as we took it out of the inflexible hands of government and gave it to hams to regulate and modify through their own NGO such as we do with 2M repeater coordination...> > __> Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA> Website: www.ky6la.com > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"> "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911"> > > > - Original Message - > From: Dave Bernstein > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:02 PM> Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006> > > What's the point of modifying a voluntary bandplan, Howard? As > Bonnie points out, individual hams will do as they see fit. The > current ARRL bandplan is broadly ignored.> > We face a choice in the governance of our amateur bands. That choice > is not "government regulations vs. voluntary band plans"; > its "government regulations vs. anarchy".> > There is an alternative: a mandatory band plan. By "mandatory", I > mean "not voluntary". Violate the band plan, and you lose your > license to operate for a period of time; violate it again, lose your > operating priveleges for a longer period. A mandatory band plan > would provide the long-term flexibility you seek, Howard, without > creating a free-for-all -- assuming that its steward is both > competent from an allocation perspective and credible from an > enforcement perspective.> > 73,> > Dave, AA6YQ> > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" >
Re: [digitalradio] Mode Recognition
Joe W4JSI; Exactly what I am suggesting for the other digital modes. Cheers de Omar YK1AO - Original Message - From: Joe Ivey To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Mode Recognition Murray, Has anyone ever looked at the way the SSTV software recognizes the many different modes. They all are of the same bandwidth of course, but there are different speeds. I know nothing about writing software. This is just a thought, nothing more. JoeW4JSI Age is mind over matterIf you don't mind, it does not matter - Original Message - From: zl1bpu To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Mode Recognition Patrick,I think that's a good idea, and useful for CQs - if people do't recognise the mode first time, the waterfall will tell them for next time you CQ is made.I also agree that an automatic recognition tool would be quite complex and would give little return unless it was an expensive commercial product. I wonder however whether there might be some manual technique, where the program offered a series of metrics, and a separate database: the user could (with appropriate guidance of course) use the tools to determine whether the mode was MFSK, PSK etc, and then measure the bandwidth and baud rate. From those you could put together a short list of appropriate modes by searching the database. I think you would need:1. An FFT with spectrogram and long-term average spectrum display, to determine signal bandwidth, perhaps number of tones, and to serve as source for FSK baud rate measurement.2. A phase scope measuring phase shift.3. A correlator for baud rate measurement, either measuring from the FSK FFT or the PSK phasemeter.By the way, much of this is already available in SKYSWEEPER, not that I like the product for any other purpose than analysis.Any other suggestions?Murray ZL1BPUPatrick said:> In the last test version of Multipsk, I've added the following feature: each > transmission in a given mode will be prefixed by the name of the mode > transmitted in CMT Hell. I have dimensionned the name so as the mode will be > clearly visible on the waterfall. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Mode Recognition
Hi Jerry, Yea I knew that. But maybe something similar could be worked out for the digies. JoeW4JSI Age is mind over matterIf you don't mind, it does not matter - Original Message - From: Jerry To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Mode Recognition Joe,The "header" in SSTV contains the "VIS" code to tell the receiver whatmode the image will be sent. Think the VIS code is in the first twolines sent before the image lines and sync tones are sent.HTH,Jerry - K0HZI--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Ivey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:Murray,Has anyone ever looked at the way the SSTV software recognizes themany different modes. They all are of the same bandwidth of course,but there are different speeds. I know nothing about writing software.This is just a thought, nothing more.JoeW4JSI Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Re: Mode Recognition
Joe, The "header" in SSTV contains the "VIS" code to tell the receiver what mode the image will be sent. Think the VIS code is in the first two lines sent before the image lines and sync tones are sent. HTH, Jerry - K0HZI --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Ivey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Murray, Has anyone ever looked at the way the SSTV software recognizes the many different modes. They all are of the same bandwidth of course, but there are different speeds. I know nothing about writing software. This is just a thought, nothing more. Joe W4JSI Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Mode Recognition
Murray, Has anyone ever looked at the way the SSTV software recognizes the many different modes. They all are of the same bandwidth of course, but there are different speeds. I know nothing about writing software. This is just a thought, nothing more. JoeW4JSI Age is mind over matterIf you don't mind, it does not matter - Original Message - From: zl1bpu To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Mode Recognition Patrick,I think that's a good idea, and useful for CQs - if people do't recognise the mode first time, the waterfall will tell them for next time you CQ is made.I also agree that an automatic recognition tool would be quite complex and would give little return unless it was an expensive commercial product. I wonder however whether there might be some manual technique, where the program offered a series of metrics, and a separate database: the user could (with appropriate guidance of course) use the tools to determine whether the mode was MFSK, PSK etc, and then measure the bandwidth and baud rate. From those you could put together a short list of appropriate modes by searching the database. I think you would need:1. An FFT with spectrogram and long-term average spectrum display, to determine signal bandwidth, perhaps number of tones, and to serve as source for FSK baud rate measurement.2. A phase scope measuring phase shift.3. A correlator for baud rate measurement, either measuring from the FSK FFT or the PSK phasemeter.By the way, much of this is already available in SKYSWEEPER, not that I like the product for any other purpose than analysis.Any other suggestions?Murray ZL1BPUPatrick said:> In the last test version of Multipsk, I've added the following feature: each > transmission in a given mode will be prefixed by the name of the mode > transmitted in CMT Hell. I have dimensionned the name so as the mode will be > clearly visible on the waterfall. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Why is Mix W so popular ?
Stan, I agree with you on part of what you say, but not all. I think the main reason that MixW is so popular is the fact that it does support most of the digital modes. I would not say that it copies better than ALL other programs, but it does copy better than most. There are a lot of good programs out there both free and payware. They are only as good as the end user needs are. JoeW4JSI Age is mind over matterIf you don't mind, it does not matter - Original Message - From: xbullworker To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Why is Mix W so popular ? -> Why is it so popular.? And it isn't even free ! What advantages has > Mix W over other software ?> > 73, Mel G0GQK>Sometimes a program is worth what you pay for it. I have used manyfree digital programs and they are worth what I paid for them -zero.Do this: (I have done this many times with different free programs)Start Mixw - then Start any other PSK program and see which one copysthe best error free - Mixw will win always.I think tho the reason Mixw is so popular is because of all the modesit has. One program to learn all modes. Built-in logging, interface tocallbooks rig control - beam headings etc etc.The program is constantly being upgraded too, and upgrades are free(how do they do this?)Best spent $50 in hamradio if you do digi modes.Stan K9IUQ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Mode Recognition
Patrick, I think that's a good idea, and useful for CQs - if people do't recognise the mode first time, the waterfall will tell them for next time you CQ is made. I also agree that an automatic recognition tool would be quite complex and would give little return unless it was an expensive commercial product. I wonder however whether there might be some manual technique, where the program offered a series of metrics, and a separate database: the user could (with appropriate guidance of course) use the tools to determine whether the mode was MFSK, PSK etc, and then measure the bandwidth and baud rate. From those you could put together a short list of appropriate modes by searching the database. I think you would need: 1. An FFT with spectrogram and long-term average spectrum display, to determine signal bandwidth, perhaps number of tones, and to serve as source for FSK baud rate measurement. 2. A phase scope measuring phase shift. 3. A correlator for baud rate measurement, either measuring from the FSK FFT or the PSK phasemeter. By the way, much of this is already available in SKYSWEEPER, not that I like the product for any other purpose than analysis. Any other suggestions? Murray ZL1BPU Patrick said: > In the last test version of Multipsk, I've added the following feature: each > transmission in a given mode will be prefixed by the name of the mode > transmitted in CMT Hell. I have dimensionned the name so as the mode will be > clearly visible on the waterfall. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Why is Mix W so popular ?
- > Why is it so popular.? And it isn't even free ! What advantages has > Mix W over other software ? > > 73, Mel G0GQK > Sometimes a program is worth what you pay for it. I have used many free digital programs and they are worth what I paid for them -zero. Do this: (I have done this many times with different free programs) Start Mixw - then Start any other PSK program and see which one copys the best error free - Mixw will win always. I think tho the reason Mixw is so popular is because of all the modes it has. One program to learn all modes. Built-in logging, interface to callbooks rig control - beam headings etc etc. The program is constantly being upgraded too, and upgrades are free (how do they do this?) Best spent $50 in hamradio if you do digi modes. Stan K9IUQ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Moderator update
I have been off-line for a few days while playing tour guide for my sister visiting from New Zealand. Sorry if some messages were delayed. I have not had a chance to check all messages for the past week, please keep our rules in mind. I publish them annually, so they will be re-posted next week. Andy K3UK Owner. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] DominoEX - questions answered
Folks, If you want support for DominoEX, wnat to swap notes or have any questions answered, please post a message on the Yahoo MFSK Reflector. By posting only in one place, maximum use can be made of the support network, and it requires less work on the part of the development team. No official support will be provided for DominoEX on this Reflector. 73, Murray ZL1BPU Designer, DominoEX Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Domino EX stations off freq
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Ivey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had the same thing here. I would have to adjust the waterfall between the two stations. This program will need a lot of work before it will make it. > > Joe > W4JSI > Joe, I suggest that it's the operators who need a lot of work, not the program! If in this day and age two stations can't net closer than 500Hz then you have to question their operating skills. The software will easily handle 200Hz offset without retuning, and how many other narrow modes do that? MFSK16 (which this mode will one day replace) requires a tuning accuracy of < 4Hz! Murray ZL1BPU Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006
ENOUGH ALREADY!! The purpose of this group: (as per Yahoo Homepage): "This is a meeting place to discuss amateur radio digital applications such as RTTY, CW, PSK31,PSK63, MFSK16, Olivia-MFSK, Contestia,RTTYM, Chip64, THROB, ALE, PACTOR, AMTOR, HELL, SSTV and more. There are several reflectors dedicated to these separate modes but this group focuses on ALL digital modes. Software applications such as MixW, Logger32, MMVARI, MMTTY, MultiPSK, Hamscope, Winwarbler, Digipan, etc, etc, are often discussed." Discussion of AMERICAN internal politics does NOT fall into this category - this has been flogged to death without any intervention from the moderator (if anyone actually moderates this group) and is now just getting too much to bear!!! Please don't burden the rest of the world with your purely INTERNAL matters!!! -- 73 de Barry ZS2EZ (EX ZR2DX / ZR6DXB) KF26TA - Port Elizabeth,South Africa Member : PEARS, SARL, ARRL, SA AMSAT Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Dhahran Amateur Radio Club, HZ1AB
Good evening RSGB news desk/ Daily DX As the first NON_AMERICAN and the last elected President of the Dhahran Amateur Radio Club with the very famous call sign HZ1AB this had to be one of the most difficult DX press releases I had the duty to direct Thomas SM0CXU DARC Secretary to advise to the DX community of the demise of HZ1AB HOTEL ZULO ONE AMERICAN BOY Our club (DARC) which has existed since 1946, is now a 58 year old history. Saudi Arabia's HZ1AB is history (Oct 1, 2004) -- The HZ1AB club station in Saudi Arabia now is history. Originally the United States Military Training Mission station and more recently known as the Dhahran Amateur Radio Club, HZ1AB was a well-known DX call sign for almost six decades. Club Secretary Thomas Carlsson, SM0CXU/AB5CQ, said this week that new station license requirements in Saudi Arabia made it necessary to shut down the station, and the call sign has been reissued to a Saudi national. QSL manager Leo Fry, K8PYD, has the HZ1AB logs to handle any late QSL requests. Earlier this year, Saudi Arabia licensed 18 new Amateur Radio operators. Details about licensing there are available on the Saudi Arabia Communications and Information Technology Commission Web site.--The Daily DX and Thomas Carlsson, SM0CXU/AB0CQ Later that year I chaired the last club meeting the agenda was to disembowel the station and recover all the clubs assets, and then disposed of them according to the rules. Basically I issued my last decree that each member could chose what he/she wanted from the inventory and if two members required the same item I would act as an intermediate, thankfully that intervention was not required. What was left I accepted. As it turned out each member had what he/she wanted. All the paraphernalia including the remaining QSL cards, plaques were scanned and recorded on CD and each member was given a copy. Copies were also sent to the HZ1AB/AB1HZ web site for archiving. I was fortunate to receive the main HF RIG that had served the club for so long and with such distinction and bequeathed to the club by previous club President 1989-98 Dave Shepard K3DTU (SK) it now sits at my home QTHR awaiting to be switched on again. The 140ft guided Tower with the Force 12 Strike Force Multi Mono-band 5BA antenna (still resting on its perch today) remained; however, as there was a hospital near by, the 160 meter slopping dipole, horizontally polarized 80 meter Delta loop, steerable Double Delta Loop for 40 meters, the Rhombic and the steerable 160 meters beverage were dismantled for safety. The Log periodic @ 18 meters that spanned 6.8 to 30 MHz was left in situ That was over 12 months ago, still today I have to drive past the tower with the 5BA still standing as a Sentinel to all those members that had the privilege of working pileup after pileup, such memories still haunt me. I remember my first CQ you just had to announce this is HZ1AB QRZ and ten thousand voices would come back at you, at least it felt like, ten thousand voices, such joy, such thrills to be had. I have the privileged once again to announce that all the six remaining Hams that were registered with club in the final days have now realized their own Saudi Arabian Ham call. They are: Ken GW0RHC last President now HZ1GW no coincidence about the GW ThomasSMØCXU last Secretary now HZ1EX ManfredDF1IK last Treasurer now HZ1IK EmreTA1I now HZ1ES Carl WA5GZI previously treasurer now 7Z1DX Cathy KC5VVI previously secretary now 7Z1DY XYL of Carl As I travel extensively from the Gulf Coast to the Red sea along the East West Pipeline I shall be mobile for most of my operations so look out for my call HZ1GW/M and make your day as well as mine. 73s Ken GW0RHC/HZ1GW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Domino EX
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "F.R. Ashley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > Another question about Domino EX, is everyone going to use the default of 11baud, single space? No Buddy, I hope not! On 80m, especially early in the evening, you should use 8 baud. Those who complain that the mode is not very robust are not using the mode as it was intended. We routinely hold multi-way QSOs down here on 80m in the evening, using just a few watts and 100% copy all round over 500km distances. If you want support from the developers of DominoEX, please ask your questions on the MFSK Reflector. Murray ZL1BPU Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] NEW EA PSK31 CONTEST 2006 - EA4ZB
Hey for all:
I'm Joaquin, EA4ZB, contest manager to the EA PSK31 CONTEST 2006.
I have the pleasure to invite to participate to the FIRST EA PSK31 CONTEST,
2006, with the follows rules:
EA PSK31 CONTEST 2006
Sponsored by Unión de Radioaficionados Españoles (URE), the worldwide EA PSK31
Contest is intended to encourage the digital communications on PSK31 mode. The
manager of the contest is EA4ZB.
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Date: From 16:00 UTC March 11th to 16:00 UTC March 12th, 2006.
Participants: Any licensed amateur station.
Bands: 10, 15, 20, 40 and 80 meters, according IARU Region 1 band plan.
Mode: BPSK31.
Classes:
1) Single operator all band EA.
2) Single operator single band EA.
3) Single operator all band non-EA.
4) Single operator single band non-EA.
5) Multioperator EA, only all bands.
6) Multioperator non EA, only all bands.
Contest call: "CQ EA TEST".
Valid contacts: Any station can be contacted during the contest. Every station
can be contacted once per band.
Exchange: Spanish stations: RST + Province code (see below).
DX stations: RST + QSO number starting with 001. Multi-operator stations, if
used multi TX, shall report separate serials per band starting with 001.
Scoring:
On 10, 15 and 20 meters, one (1) point for QSO within own continent, and two
(2) points for QSO outside own continent.
On 40 and 80 m, three (3) points for QSO within own continent, and six (6)
points for QSO outside own continent.
Multipliers:
- EADX100 entities.
- Spanish Provinces.
- USA, Canada, Japan and Australia call areas (VE3, VE6, W5, JA1...).
NOTES:
1) Each multiplier counts once per band.
2) The first QSO with W, VE, JA and VK stations, on each band, counts for two
multipliers (EADX100 entity + call area)
3) The first QSO with EA, EA6, EA8 and EA9 stations, on each band, counts for
two multipliers (EADX100 entity + Province).
4) The use of cluster is allowed for all classes, but it is not allowed
self-spotting.
5) Stations working the contest as portable ("/p") will be considered as
multipliers working in the area where the station is located as portable (for
example, EA8/EA3XX counts as EA8, EA3XX/8 counts as EA8, K4XXX/5 counts as K5,
VE1/VE5XXX counts as VE1, and so on).
Final score: Total QSO points by total multipliers in all bands.
Logs: All logs should be submitted in Cabrillo format via Internet to the
following E-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Logs should be sent as an e-mail attachment, not in the text of the e-mail, and
the filename for the log should be yourcall.log. (EA4ZB.LOG)
A Cabrillo converter software is available free at
http://www.ure.es/ftp/plantilla.zip
Deadline: All entries must be e-mailed by April 12th, 2006.
Prizes: Trophy to the winner in each class and certificate for the second and
third places in each class, if the valid QSO number is higher than 50.
SPANISH PROVINCE CODE
A - Alicante AB - Albacete AL - Almería AV - Ávila B - Barcelona
BA - Badajoz BI - Vizcaya BU - Burgos C - Coruña CA - Cádiz
CC - Cáceres CE - Ceuta CO - Córdoba CR - Ciudad Real CS - Castellón
CU - Cuenca GC - Las Palmas GI - Girona GR - Granada GU - Guadalajara
H - Huelva HU - Huesca IB - I. Baleares J - Jaén L - Lleida
LE - León LO - La Rioja LU - Lugo M - Madrid MA - Málaga
ML - Melilla MU - Murcia NA - Navarra O - Asturias OU - Ourense
P - Palencia PO - Pontevedra S - Cantabria SA - Salamanca SE - Sevilla
SG - Segovia SO - Soria SS - Guipúzcoa T - Tarragona TE - Teruel
TF - SC Tenerife TO - Toledo V - Valencia VA - Valladolid VI - Álava
Z - Zaragoza ZA - Zamora
More info at the official website to URE:
http://www.ure.es/hf/concursos/eapsk31/baseseapsk31ingles.pdf
joaquin, EA4ZB
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006
Obviously the ARRL is not keeping its Bandplan up to date... as PSK has been on 14071.5 for a very long time... - Original Message - From: Dave Bernstein To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006 Operating PSK on 14071.5 is a violation of the current ARRL HF bandplan. Only RTTY is permitted there. 73, Dave, AA6YQ--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:>> having never worked 160M ... I cannot confirm your observations...> > But on 2M they definitely obey the bandplan... and the voluntary repeater coordination...> > __> Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA> Website: www.ky6la.com > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"> "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911"> > > - Original Message - > From: Dave Bernstein > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:22 PM> Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006> > > Exactly right, Howard: hams obey rules. > > Do they obey voluntary HF bandplans? Demonstrably not. Take a look > at the ARRL bandplan in > > http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.html> > According to this bandplan, the only HF band segment available for > digital mode operation other than RTTY or Packet is 1800 to 1810. > Every one of us who operates PSK anywhere other than 1800 to 1810 is > in violation of this bandplan. > > 73,> > Dave, AA6YQ> > > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > I must agree with Brett... Dave... you just don't trust your > fellow hams as much as Brett, Bonnie and I do...> > > > I have been a ham for almost 48 years and have lived in and > operated from countries all over the world...> > > > I have found Hams to be the most law abiding, anally rule obeying > and courteous people I have ever known.> > > > Yes there are a few bad apples.. but they are such a tiny tiny > minority... that they really are not a problem... [even those > automatic stations you hate so much are only 1 or 2 stations not > hundreds]...> > > > So why penalize only the US Hams.. [because the US will be the > only ones who still have these strict Government regulations] > because of a very tiny minority...> > > > Heck... we have Voluntary Bandplans that work on 2M and 440M > already in the USA... > > > > and Voluntary Bandplans work everywhere else in the world...> > > > I know I will never convince you Dave... > > > > but fortunately the world is changing and it looks like the FCC is > also starting to see the wisdom of getting out of the business of > micromanaging ham bands...> > __> > Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA> > Website: www.ky6la.com > > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"> > "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911"> > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Dave Bernstein > > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:49 PM> > Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006> > > > > > Bonnie, your post perfectly illustrates why government > regulation of > > amateur band allocations is, unfortunately, required. > > > > In reference to the UK band plan authors, you say "The writers > of > > bandplans that do not follow on-the-air activity trends, with > room > > for communications technology to thrive should not complain when > > their bandplan is not accepted or closely followed by hams on-> the-> > air." In other words, hams will only accept and obey a bandplan > they > > personally deem reasonable. > > > > There is no bandplan that all hams will deem reasonable; > operators > > have different interests, and different levels of empathy for > other > > spectrum users. No matter how well a band plan is engineered, > some > > subset of the ham population will find it sufficiently > unreasonable > > to justify ignoring it -- just as you have. With no threat of > > penalty for ignoring the bandplan, the result will be chaos -- > just > > like herding cats, to use your analogy.> > > > This is exactly why the ARRL's proposal to replace government > > regulation with a bandplan must be rejected. > > > > 73,> > >
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006
Can't think of another NGO... locally we have repeater coordination councils.. that seem to work very well... and I do not think they are under the ARRL? Maybe we need to set up a Bandwidth Coordination Council... or something like that... But logically the ARRL would be the first choice.. __Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LAWebsite: www.ky6la.com "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished""Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" - Original Message - From: Dave Bernstein To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:12 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006 Yes, I would.I'm skeptical of the ARRL's ability to execute given its poor track record in this area. Is there an alternative NGO that could take on the mission? 73, Dave, AA6YQ--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:>> So you would accept a "mandatory" bandplan if it were in the hands of a non governmental organization [NGO] (such as ARRL) as long as it had enforcement power?> > I do not believe that there would be anarchy but> > I could probably live with a mandatory bandplan and as long as we took it out of the inflexible hands of government and gave it to hams to regulate and modify through their own NGO such as we do with 2M repeater coordination...> > __> Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA> Website: www.ky6la.com > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"> "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911"> > > > - Original Message - > From: Dave Bernstein > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:02 PM> Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006> > > What's the point of modifying a voluntary bandplan, Howard? As > Bonnie points out, individual hams will do as they see fit. The > current ARRL bandplan is broadly ignored.> > We face a choice in the governance of our amateur bands. That choice > is not "government regulations vs. voluntary band plans"; > its "government regulations vs. anarchy".> > There is an alternative: a mandatory band plan. By "mandatory", I > mean "not voluntary". Violate the band plan, and you lose your > license to operate for a period of time; violate it again, lose your > operating priveleges for a longer period. A mandatory band plan > would provide the long-term flexibility you seek, Howard, without > creating a free-for-all -- assuming that its steward is both > competent from an allocation perspective and credible from an > enforcement perspective.> > 73,> > Dave, AA6YQ> > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > The point of the UK RSGB pronouncement is that Region I has > Regulation by Bandwidth and NOT MODE.> > > > Bandplans are VOLUNTARY Bandplans established by the local > hams...in this case the RSGB and> > > > NOT BY GOVERNMENT REGULATION...> > > > So when the UK Hams decide that they need to modify the Voluntary > Bandplan as Hams find that their needs change...> > > > They do not have to go back to the Government each time to make > changes...> > > > This is the exact same way they do it in Canada... and > Australia... and much of the rest of the world with wihich we share > these same bands> > > > So why do we in the USA need the FCC to overregulate us...> > __> > Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA> > Website: www.ky6la.com > > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"> > "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911"> > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Tim Gorman > > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:59 PM> > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our > future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006> > > > > > While they may anticipate changes to phase out mode references > at some point > > in the future, it may be a long time before that is done. > > > > Region 1 passed a resolution (I believe it was unanimous) at the > Sept Plenary > > that digital and analog signals should be separated.> > > > The RSGB seems to be following this recommendation (see the list > below) by > > reserving spaces th
[digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006
Yes, I would. I'm skeptical of the ARRL's ability to execute given its poor track record in this area. Is there an alternative NGO that could take on the mission? 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So you would accept a "mandatory" bandplan if it were in the hands of a non governmental organization [NGO] (such as ARRL) as long as it had enforcement power? > > I do not believe that there would be anarchy but > > I could probably live with a mandatory bandplan and as long as we took it out of the inflexible hands of government and gave it to hams to regulate and modify through their own NGO such as we do with 2M repeater coordination... > > __ > Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA > Website: www.ky6la.com > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" > "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" > > > > - Original Message - > From: Dave Bernstein > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:02 PM > Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006 > > > What's the point of modifying a voluntary bandplan, Howard? As > Bonnie points out, individual hams will do as they see fit. The > current ARRL bandplan is broadly ignored. > > We face a choice in the governance of our amateur bands. That choice > is not "government regulations vs. voluntary band plans"; > its "government regulations vs. anarchy". > > There is an alternative: a mandatory band plan. By "mandatory", I > mean "not voluntary". Violate the band plan, and you lose your > license to operate for a period of time; violate it again, lose your > operating priveleges for a longer period. A mandatory band plan > would provide the long-term flexibility you seek, Howard, without > creating a free-for-all -- assuming that its steward is both > competent from an allocation perspective and credible from an > enforcement perspective. > > 73, > > Dave, AA6YQ > > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The point of the UK RSGB pronouncement is that Region I has > Regulation by Bandwidth and NOT MODE. > > > > Bandplans are VOLUNTARY Bandplans established by the local > hams...in this case the RSGB and > > > > NOT BY GOVERNMENT REGULATION... > > > > So when the UK Hams decide that they need to modify the Voluntary > Bandplan as Hams find that their needs change... > > > > They do not have to go back to the Government each time to make > changes... > > > > This is the exact same way they do it in Canada... and > Australia... and much of the rest of the world with wihich we share > these same bands > > > > So why do we in the USA need the FCC to overregulate us... > > __ > > Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA > > Website: www.ky6la.com > > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" > > "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Tim Gorman > > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our > future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006 > > > > > > While they may anticipate changes to phase out mode references > at some point > > in the future, it may be a long time before that is done. > > > > Region 1 passed a resolution (I believe it was unanimous) at the > Sept Plenary > > that digital and analog signals should be separated. > > > > The RSGB seems to be following this recommendation (see the list > below) by > > reserving spaces that do not allow digimodes. > > > > 1.840-1.843 All modes > > 1.843-2.000 Telephony and Telegraphy > > 3.590-3.600 Narrow band unattended stations > > 3.600-3.620 Wideband unattended stations > > 3.600-3.650 All modes > > 3.650-3.700 Telephony and Telegraphy > > 3.700-3.800 All modes > > 7.038-7.040 Narrow band unattended stations > > 7.040-7.043 Wideband unattended stations > > 7.043-7.200 All modes (except digimodes) > > 10mhz - no wideband modes, no unattended stations > > 14.089-14.099 narrow band unattended stations > > 14.101-14.112 wideband unattended stations > > 14.112-14.125 All modes (except digimodes) > > 14.125-14.350 All modes > > > > I believe that careful reading of these quotes with the full > context provided > > will show that they are not wanting to be in the business of > trying to define > > every possible digital mode o
[digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006
Operating PSK on 14071.5 is a violation of the current ARRL HF bandplan. Only RTTY is permitted there. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > having never worked 160M ... I cannot confirm your observations... > > But on 2M they definitely obey the bandplan... and the voluntary repeater coordination... > > __ > Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA > Website: www.ky6la.com > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" > "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" > > > - Original Message - > From: Dave Bernstein > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:22 PM > Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006 > > > Exactly right, Howard: hams obey rules. > > Do they obey voluntary HF bandplans? Demonstrably not. Take a look > at the ARRL bandplan in > > http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.html > > According to this bandplan, the only HF band segment available for > digital mode operation other than RTTY or Packet is 1800 to 1810. > Every one of us who operates PSK anywhere other than 1800 to 1810 is > in violation of this bandplan. > > 73, > > Dave, AA6YQ > > > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I must agree with Brett... Dave... you just don't trust your > fellow hams as much as Brett, Bonnie and I do... > > > > I have been a ham for almost 48 years and have lived in and > operated from countries all over the world... > > > > I have found Hams to be the most law abiding, anally rule obeying > and courteous people I have ever known. > > > > Yes there are a few bad apples.. but they are such a tiny tiny > minority... that they really are not a problem... [even those > automatic stations you hate so much are only 1 or 2 stations not > hundreds]... > > > > So why penalize only the US Hams.. [because the US will be the > only ones who still have these strict Government regulations] > because of a very tiny minority... > > > > Heck... we have Voluntary Bandplans that work on 2M and 440M > already in the USA... > > > > and Voluntary Bandplans work everywhere else in the world... > > > > I know I will never convince you Dave... > > > > but fortunately the world is changing and it looks like the FCC is > also starting to see the wisdom of getting out of the business of > micromanaging ham bands... > > __ > > Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA > > Website: www.ky6la.com > > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" > > "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Dave Bernstein > > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:49 PM > > Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006 > > > > > > Bonnie, your post perfectly illustrates why government > regulation of > > amateur band allocations is, unfortunately, required. > > > > In reference to the UK band plan authors, you say "The writers > of > > bandplans that do not follow on-the-air activity trends, with > room > > for communications technology to thrive should not complain when > > their bandplan is not accepted or closely followed by hams on- > the- > > air." In other words, hams will only accept and obey a bandplan > they > > personally deem reasonable. > > > > There is no bandplan that all hams will deem reasonable; > operators > > have different interests, and different levels of empathy for > other > > spectrum users. No matter how well a band plan is engineered, > some > > subset of the ham population will find it sufficiently > unreasonable > > to justify ignoring it -- just as you have. With no threat of > > penalty for ignoring the bandplan, the result will be chaos - - > just > > like herding cats, to use your analogy. > > > > This is exactly why the ARRL's proposal to replace government > > regulation with a bandplan must be rejected. > > > > 73, > > > > Dave, AA6YQ > > > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > The RSGB Bandplan for 2006 is not a "restructuring" at all. > > > It is simply a new bandplan for the new year. > > > > > > Anyone can issue a bandplan! > > > Bandplans can be modified without government approval, and > RSGB is > > > free to have another new bandplan in 2007 if they like. > > > > > >
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006
So you would accept a "mandatory" bandplan if it were in the hands of a non governmental organization [NGO] (such as ARRL) as long as it had enforcement power? I do not believe that there would be anarchy but I could probably live with a mandatory bandplan and as long as we took it out of the inflexible hands of government and gave it to hams to regulate and modify through their own NGO such as we do with 2M repeater coordination... __Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LAWebsite: www.ky6la.com "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished""Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" - Original Message - From: Dave Bernstein To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006 What's the point of modifying a voluntary bandplan, Howard? As Bonnie points out, individual hams will do as they see fit. The current ARRL bandplan is broadly ignored.We face a choice in the governance of our amateur bands. That choice is not "government regulations vs. voluntary band plans"; its "government regulations vs. anarchy".There is an alternative: a mandatory band plan. By "mandatory", I mean "not voluntary". Violate the band plan, and you lose your license to operate for a period of time; violate it again, lose your operating priveleges for a longer period. A mandatory band plan would provide the long-term flexibility you seek, Howard, without creating a free-for-all -- assuming that its steward is both competent from an allocation perspective and credible from an enforcement perspective. 73, Dave, AA6YQ--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> The point of the UK RSGB pronouncement is that Region I has Regulation by Bandwidth and NOT MODE.> > Bandplans are VOLUNTARY Bandplans established by the local hams...in this case the RSGB and> > NOT BY GOVERNMENT REGULATION...> > So when the UK Hams decide that they need to modify the Voluntary Bandplan as Hams find that their needs change...> > They do not have to go back to the Government each time to make changes...> > This is the exact same way they do it in Canada... and Australia... and much of the rest of the world with wihich we share these same bands> > So why do we in the USA need the FCC to overregulate us...> __> Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA> Website: www.ky6la.com > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"> "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911"> > > > - Original Message - > From: Tim Gorman > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:59 PM> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan 2006> > > While they may anticipate changes to phase out mode references at some point > in the future, it may be a long time before that is done. > > Region 1 passed a resolution (I believe it was unanimous) at the Sept Plenary > that digital and analog signals should be separated.> > The RSGB seems to be following this recommendation (see the list below) by > reserving spaces that do not allow digimodes. > > 1.840-1.843 All modes> 1.843-2.000 Telephony and Telegraphy> 3.590-3.600 Narrow band unattended stations> 3.600-3.620 Wideband unattended stations> 3.600-3.650 All modes> 3.650-3.700 Telephony and Telegraphy> 3.700-3.800 All modes> 7.038-7.040 Narrow band unattended stations> 7.040-7.043 Wideband unattended stations> 7.043-7.200 All modes (except digimodes)> 10mhz - no wideband modes, no unattended stations> 14.089-14.099 narrow band unattended stations> 14.101-14.112 wideband unattended stations> 14.112-14.125 All modes (except digimodes)> 14.125-14.350 All modes> > I believe that careful reading of these quotes with the full context provided > will show that they are not wanting to be in the business of trying to define > every possible digital mode or even analog mode. That does not mean they > won't continue to segregate based on analog versus digital.> > tim ab0wr> > On Tuesday 27 December 2005 15:31, expeditionradio wrote:> > Here are some significant quotes from the UK RSGB 2006 bandplan, that> > illustrate the trend in spectrum planning away from mode-based and> > toward bandwidth-based.> >> > " For a number of years the International Radio Union (IARU) in Region> > 1 has been developing a bandplan based on the principle of emission> > bandwidths rather than the mode itse
Re: [digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006
having never worked 160M ... I cannot confirm your observations... But on 2M they definitely obey the bandplan... and the voluntary repeater coordination... __Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LAWebsite: www.ky6la.com "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished""Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" - Original Message - From: Dave Bernstein To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:22 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006 Exactly right, Howard: hams obey rules. Do they obey voluntary HF bandplans? Demonstrably not. Take a look at the ARRL bandplan in http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.htmlAccording to this bandplan, the only HF band segment available for digital mode operation other than RTTY or Packet is 1800 to 1810. Every one of us who operates PSK anywhere other than 1800 to 1810 is in violation of this bandplan. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I must agree with Brett... Dave... you just don't trust your fellow hams as much as Brett, Bonnie and I do...> > I have been a ham for almost 48 years and have lived in and operated from countries all over the world...> > I have found Hams to be the most law abiding, anally rule obeying and courteous people I have ever known.> > Yes there are a few bad apples.. but they are such a tiny tiny minority... that they really are not a problem... [even those automatic stations you hate so much are only 1 or 2 stations not hundreds]...> > So why penalize only the US Hams.. [because the US will be the only ones who still have these strict Government regulations] because of a very tiny minority...> > Heck... we have Voluntary Bandplans that work on 2M and 440M already in the USA... > > and Voluntary Bandplans work everywhere else in the world...> > I know I will never convince you Dave... > > but fortunately the world is changing and it looks like the FCC is also starting to see the wisdom of getting out of the business of micromanaging ham bands...> __> Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA> Website: www.ky6la.com > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"> "Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911"> > > - Original Message - > From: Dave Bernstein > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:49 PM> Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NOT RESTRUCTURING. UK bandplan 2006> > > Bonnie, your post perfectly illustrates why government regulation of > amateur band allocations is, unfortunately, required. > > In reference to the UK band plan authors, you say "The writers of > bandplans that do not follow on-the-air activity trends, with room > for communications technology to thrive should not complain when > their bandplan is not accepted or closely followed by hams on-the-> air." In other words, hams will only accept and obey a bandplan they > personally deem reasonable. > > There is no bandplan that all hams will deem reasonable; operators > have different interests, and different levels of empathy for other > spectrum users. No matter how well a band plan is engineered, some > subset of the ham population will find it sufficiently unreasonable > to justify ignoring it -- just as you have. With no threat of > penalty for ignoring the bandplan, the result will be chaos -- just > like herding cats, to use your analogy.> > This is exactly why the ARRL's proposal to replace government > regulation with a bandplan must be rejected. > > 73,> > Dave, AA6YQ> > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > The RSGB Bandplan for 2006 is not a "restructuring" at all. > > It is simply a new bandplan for the new year.> > > > Anyone can issue a bandplan! > > Bandplans can be modified without government approval, and RSGB is> > free to have another new bandplan in 2007 if they like.> > > > USA hams should take note not to confuse bandplans with government> > radio regulations. In USA it takes a long time and bureaucratic > action> > to change government radio regulations. > > > > A few countries have a government radio regulation that the hams > must> > follow their IARU society's bandplan.> > > > Getting all hams to follow bandplans precisely, in most areas of > the> > world "is like herding cats". A well-written bandplan tends to > follow> > what the actual on-the-air activity trend is. Bandplans that try to> >
