[digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame
Whilst your list can be construed as informative, contentious, destructive etc etc depending on your point of view, it really highlights the nonsense of trying to maintain a beacon system in the middle of a very active band. Whilst education should work, surely 95% of the problem could have been avoided if the beacons had been located on 14350 or 14000 for instance (plus or minus a bit to avoid being outside the band of course). And logically you are much more likely to avoid inadvertently transmitting on a beacon if you are operating in the same mode as the beacon itself. Putting a CW beacons in the middle of a band plan allocated for data is just asking for trouble. (I know you can operate CW in this section but no one does - especially in the middle of an RTTY contest). And then again - in the middle of a contest do you need beacons to tell you where the propagation is? 73 David A92GE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RTTY Hall of Shame Here is a list of some of the RTTY operators transmitting on the international IARU beacon frequency 14100.0kHz today. 73---Bonnie KQ6XA Saturday 23 SEP 2006 WM3T/4 (repeat offender) W4VD (repeat offender) N6CK JE2PMC IW5ABF IK1ZFO N6IU EA1DZL JA1GHH DF4ZW DH3JF YU7AM OE9SLH DD1UN F5OQL W5PUF K0GEO The list continues... Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] tell me again
The OTHER GUY makes sure that he transmits Mark on the higher RF frequency and Space of the lower RF frequency with a 170 Hz shift. You do not care whether he does this on USB or LSB. At your end YOUR equipment requires 2125 and 2295 for Mark and Space respectively, it is YOUR responsibility to tune and set your rig for LSB for an audio output with the proper frequencies. If this is done, then the RF frequency for Mark will be the same for both stations and is the proper frequency to report for logging, and setting up a sched. Some software (MiXW) would require the receiving end to be in USB for this same scenario. What I think happens with new RTTY users who use MixW, are told that AFSK RTTY is ALWAYS on LSB, so when they send, their tones are reversed. With MixW, the default is to send and receive USB. This default puts the Mark and Space RF frequencies in the proper place. An ST-6 user would still send and receive on LSB. I looked back at the archive, we discusses this in October of 2005, I thought I was having deja vu. The ST-6 is looking for a mark tone of 2125 and a space of 2295. If for some reason the other guy is on USB but still with 2125 2295 tones I can flip the reverses switch and copy him just fine. If he is using a TNC that has the 200Hz shift I can't copy. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame
Hi, While I enjoy the use of the beacons, (and try and stay away from the freqs), I agree with the last post, the idea of putting them in the middle of the band was not a scaleable, or even a well thought out solution. Unless there has been a rule change, enforcement of this must be on a voluntary basis, period, I saw a post about involving the OOs, and the FCC. Has this frequency been officially allocated? If not, then involving an OO would be real abuse of power, as they are supposed to enforce rules not wishes. RANT ON: Assuming the rules have not allocated the frequency for beacons, IMHO the entire idea of a Hall of Shame, goes against the amateur traditions of tolerance... Things happen, people will transmit on the beacon freq, can't be helped, get used to this, and stop publishing Hall of Shame like rants. For that is what a Hall of Shame list is, a vaguely disguised rant because someone transmitted on a sacred frequency some other folks believe they have reserved, and have decided to punish those that don't believe by publishing their names in a negative light. For that matter, perhaps the beacons operators should be the first stations on the list for not listening before they transmit, and insisting that they own a frequency to the point they are publishing lists of people they don't like... Now don't get me wrong, I love the beacon system, (use it all the time), and actually believe that it can work as long as folks don't get extreme about things, (like publishing rants because of QRM to the beacons), I avoid the beacon frequencies as much as possible, if however a really rare DX station is on that frequency, I would use it in a moment. The frequency is simply misplaced, pick a new one, then get it to the band edge, and half of your QRM will go away. RANT OFF: Thanks, Dave NK7Z/NNN0RDO http://www.nk7z.net If pigs could vote, the man with the slop bucket would be elected swineherd every time, no matter how much slaughtering he did on the side. --Orson Scott Card -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dav1dSm1th Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 23:07 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame Whilst your list can be construed as informative, contentious, destructive etc etc depending on your point of view, it really highlights the nonsense of trying to maintain a beacon system in the middle of a very active band. Whilst education should work, surely 95% of the problem could have been avoided if the beacons had been located on 14350 or 14000 for instance (plus or minus a bit to avoid being outside the band of course). And logically you are much more likely to avoid inadvertently transmitting on a beacon if you are operating in the same mode as the beacon itself. Putting a CW beacons in the middle of a band plan allocated for data is just asking for trouble. (I know you can operate CW in this section but no one does - especially in the middle of an RTTY contest). And then again - in the middle of a contest do you need beacons to tell you where the propagation is? 73 David A92GE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RTTY Hall of Shame Here is a list of some of the RTTY operators transmitting on the international IARU beacon frequency 14100.0kHz today. 73---Bonnie KQ6XA Saturday 23 SEP 2006 WM3T/4 (repeat offender) W4VD (repeat offender) N6CK JE2PMC IW5ABF IK1ZFO N6IU EA1DZL JA1GHH DF4ZW DH3JF YU7AM OE9SLH DD1UN F5OQL W5PUF K0GEO The list continues... Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 09/22/06 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 09/22/06 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame
If the beacons are moved, I am not sure where they would receive less QRM, if on the low end contending with CW DX or in the high end contending with the family radiotelephones Something elseOO's only have jurisdiction within the US...the world is wider. So, a well thought solution is in order. I would love it, as the beacons have been really useful to me for many years. Jose, CO2JA Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO) wrote: Hi, While I enjoy the use of the beacons, (and try and stay away from the freqs), I agree with the last post, the idea of putting them in the middle of the band was not a scaleable, or even a well thought out solution. Unless there has been a rule change, enforcement of this must be on a voluntary basis, period, I saw a post about involving the OOs, and the FCC. Has this frequency been officially allocated? If not, then involving an OO would be real abuse of power, as they are supposed to enforce rules not wishes. RANT ON: Assuming the rules have not allocated the frequency for beacons, IMHO the entire idea of a Hall of Shame, goes against the amateur traditions of tolerance... Things happen, people will transmit on the beacon freq, can't be helped, get used to this, and stop publishing Hall of Shame like rants. For that is what a Hall of Shame list is, a vaguely disguised rant because someone transmitted on a sacred frequency some other folks believe they have reserved, and have decided to punish those that don't believe by publishing their names in a negative light. For that matter, perhaps the beacons operators should be the first stations on the list for not listening before they transmit, and insisting that they own a frequency to the point they are publishing lists of people they don't like... Now don't get me wrong, I love the beacon system, (use it all the time), and actually believe that it can work as long as folks don't get extreme about things, (like publishing rants because of QRM to the beacons), I avoid the beacon frequencies as much as possible, if however a really rare DX station is on that frequency, I would use it in a moment. The frequency is simply misplaced, pick a new one, then get it to the band edge, and half of your QRM will go away. RANT OFF: Thanks, Dave NK7Z/NNN0RDO http://www.nk7z.net http://www.nk7z.net If pigs could vote, the man with the slop bucket would be elected swineherd every time, no matter how much slaughtering he did on the side. --Orson Scott Card -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dav1dSm1th Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 23:07 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame Whilst your list can be construed as informative, contentious, destructive etc etc depending on your point of view, it really highlights the nonsense of trying to maintain a beacon system in the middle of a very active band. Whilst education should work, surely 95% of the problem could have been avoided if the beacons had been located on 14350 or 14000 for instance (plus or minus a bit to avoid being outside the band of course). And logically you are much more likely to avoid inadvertently transmitting on a beacon if you are operating in the same mode as the beacon itself. Putting a CW beacons in the middle of a band plan allocated for data is just asking for trouble. (I know you can operate CW in this section but no one does - especially in the middle of an RTTY contest). And then again - in the middle of a contest do you need beacons to tell you where the propagation is? 73 David A92GE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RTTY Hall of Shame Here is a list of some of the RTTY operators transmitting on the international IARU beacon frequency 14100.0kHz today. 73---Bonnie KQ6XA Saturday 23 SEP 2006 WM3T/4 (repeat offender) W4VD (repeat offender) N6CK JE2PMC IW5ABF IK1ZFO N6IU EA1DZL JA1GHH DF4ZW DH3JF YU7AM OE9SLH DD1UN F5OQL W5PUF K0GEO The list continues... __ XIII Convención Científica de Ingeniería y Arquitectura 28/noviembre al 1/diciembre de 2006 Cujae, Ciudad de la Habana, Cuba http://www.cujae.edu.cu/eventos/convencion Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go
Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame
Could not agree more. Unless some infraction of the rules are being made, it is highly improper for any ham to criticize another ham for their legal operations. To my knowledge, the amateur radio rules here in the U.S. only restrict the 14.100 frequency from use by the fully automatic 500 Hz stations and the wide band semi-automatic stations which are on both sides of the 14.100 frequency. One wonders what the real agenda might be. Would it be possible that some might want to move the discussion toward protecting certain special frequencies. The next thing would be that ALE/HF pack/QRP/ frequencies need protection. 73, Rick, KV9U Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO) wrote: Hi, While I enjoy the use of the beacons, (and try and stay away from the freqs), I agree with the last post, the idea of putting them in the middle of the band was not a scaleable, or even a well thought out solution. Unless there has been a rule change, enforcement of this must be on a voluntary basis, period, I saw a post about involving the OOs, and the FCC. Has this frequency been officially allocated? If not, then involving an OO would be real abuse of power, as they are supposed to enforce rules not wishes. RANT ON: Assuming the rules have not allocated the frequency for beacons, IMHO the entire idea of a Hall of Shame, goes against the amateur traditions of tolerance... Things happen, people will transmit on the beacon freq, can't be helped, get used to this, and stop publishing Hall of Shame like rants. For that is what a Hall of Shame list is, a vaguely disguised rant because someone transmitted on a sacred frequency some other folks believe they have reserved, and have decided to punish those that don't believe by publishing their names in a negative light. For that matter, perhaps the beacons operators should be the first stations on the list for not listening before they transmit, and insisting that they own a frequency to the point they are publishing lists of people they don't like... Now don't get me wrong, I love the beacon system, (use it all the time), and actually believe that it can work as long as folks don't get extreme about things, (like publishing rants because of QRM to the beacons), I avoid the beacon frequencies as much as possible, if however a really rare DX station is on that frequency, I would use it in a moment. The frequency is simply misplaced, pick a new one, then get it to the band edge, and half of your QRM will go away. RANT OFF: Thanks, Dave NK7Z/NNN0RDO http://www.nk7z.net Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame
I asked a while back about how many logging and contesting programs have band plans in them. Given that 14.100 is in the IARU Band Plan, we should be encouraged to follow it. Leigh/WA5ZNU Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame
Hi Jose Amador has hit the proverbial nail in the head: ...the world is wider. Monitoring the Beacons since 2003 Best regards Sal CT2IRJ On 9/25/06, Jose A. Amador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the beacons are moved, I am not sure where they would receive less QRM, if on the low end contending with CW DX or in the high end contending with the family radiotelephones Something elseOO's only have jurisdiction within the US...the world is wider. So, a well thought solution is in order. I would love it, as the beacons have been really useful to me for many years. Jose, CO2JA Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO) wrote: Hi, While I enjoy the use of the beacons, (and try and stay away from the freqs), I agree with the last post, the idea of putting them in the middle of the band was not a scaleable, or even a well thought out solution. Unless there has been a rule change, enforcement of this must be on a voluntary basis, period, I saw a post about involving the OOs, and the FCC. Has this frequency been officially allocated? If not, then involving an OO would be real abuse of power, as they are supposed to enforce rules not wishes. RANT ON: Assuming the rules have not allocated the frequency for beacons, IMHO the entire idea of a Hall of Shame, goes against the amateur traditions of tolerance... Things happen, people will transmit on the beacon freq, can't be helped, get used to this, and stop publishing Hall of Shame like rants. For that is what a Hall of Shame list is, a vaguely disguised rant because someone transmitted on a sacred frequency some other folks believe they have reserved, and have decided to punish those that don't believe by publishing their names in a negative light. For that matter, perhaps the beacons operators should be the first stations on the list for not listening before they transmit, and insisting that they own a frequency to the point they are publishing lists of people they don't like... Now don't get me wrong, I love the beacon system, (use it all the time), and actually believe that it can work as long as folks don't get extreme about things, (like publishing rants because of QRM to the beacons), I avoid the beacon frequencies as much as possible, if however a really rare DX station is on that frequency, I would use it in a moment. The frequency is simply misplaced, pick a new one, then get it to the band edge, and half of your QRM will go away. RANT OFF: Thanks, Dave NK7Z/NNN0RDO http://www.nk7z.net http://www.nk7z.net If pigs could vote, the man with the slop bucket would be elected swineherd every time, no matter how much slaughtering he did on the side. --Orson Scott Card -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dav1dSm1th Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 23:07 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame Whilst your list can be construed as informative, contentious, destructive etc etc depending on your point of view, it really highlights the nonsense of trying to maintain a beacon system in the middle of a very active band. Whilst education should work, surely 95% of the problem could have been avoided if the beacons had been located on 14350 or 14000 for instance (plus or minus a bit to avoid being outside the band of course). And logically you are much more likely to avoid inadvertently transmitting on a beacon if you are operating in the same mode as the beacon itself. Putting a CW beacons in the middle of a band plan allocated for data is just asking for trouble. (I know you can operate CW in this section but no one does - especially in the middle of an RTTY contest). And then again - in the middle of a contest do you need beacons to tell you where the propagation is? 73 David A92GE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RTTY Hall of Shame Here is a list of some of the RTTY operators transmitting on the international IARU beacon frequency 14100.0kHz today. 73---Bonnie KQ6XA Saturday 23 SEP 2006 WM3T/4 (repeat offender) W4VD (repeat offender) N6CK JE2PMC IW5ABF IK1ZFO N6IU EA1DZL JA1GHH DF4ZW DH3JF YU7AM OE9SLH DD1UN F5OQL W5PUF K0GEO The list continues... __ XIII Convención Científica de Ingeniería y Arquitectura 28/noviembre al 1/diciembre de 2006 Cujae, Ciudad de la Habana, Cuba http://www.cujae.edu.cu/eventos/convencion Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector :
Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame
Hi! Inspite of the global characteristics of this Group, wich I proudly subscribe, most of the messages are writtten by US citizens, regarding US rules and US practices and US bandplan (Region 2). However most of the writers forget that there are two other IARU Regions and National Bandplans. You must not reduce everything to your Country's point of view on the matter of rules and regulations. The main subject of this thread wich was RTTY Hall of Shame means nothing to me, and in a way is the opposite of the needed thing to do. Best Regards Salomão Fresco CT2IRJ On 9/25/06, KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could not agree more. Unless some infraction of the rules are being made, it is highly improper for any ham to criticize another ham for their legal operations. To my knowledge, the amateur radio rules here in the U.S. only restrict the 14.100 frequency from use by the fully automatic 500 Hz stations and the wide band semi-automatic stations which are on both sides of the 14.100 frequency. One wonders what the real agenda might be. Would it be possible that some might want to move the discussion toward protecting certain special frequencies. The next thing would be that ALE/HF pack/QRP/ frequencies need protection. 73, Rick, KV9U Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO) wrote: Hi, While I enjoy the use of the beacons, (and try and stay away from the freqs), I agree with the last post, the idea of putting them in the middle of the band was not a scaleable, or even a well thought out solution. Unless there has been a rule change, enforcement of this must be on a voluntary basis, period, I saw a post about involving the OOs, and the FCC. Has this frequency been officially allocated? If not, then involving an OO would be real abuse of power, as they are supposed to enforce rules not wishes. RANT ON: Assuming the rules have not allocated the frequency for beacons, IMHO the entire idea of a Hall of Shame, goes against the amateur traditions of tolerance... Things happen, people will transmit on the beacon freq, can't be helped, get used to this, and stop publishing Hall of Shame like rants. For that is what a Hall of Shame list is, a vaguely disguised rant because someone transmitted on a sacred frequency some other folks believe they have reserved, and have decided to punish those that don't believe by publishing their names in a negative light. For that matter, perhaps the beacons operators should be the first stations on the list for not listening before they transmit, and insisting that they own a frequency to the point they are publishing lists of people they don't like... Now don't get me wrong, I love the beacon system, (use it all the time), and actually believe that it can work as long as folks don't get extreme about things, (like publishing rants because of QRM to the beacons), I avoid the beacon frequencies as much as possible, if however a really rare DX station is on that frequency, I would use it in a moment. The frequency is simply misplaced, pick a new one, then get it to the band edge, and half of your QRM will go away. RANT OFF: Thanks, Dave NK7Z/NNN0RDO http://www.nk7z.net Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links -- Cumprimentos Salomão Fresco CT2IRJ If it works... dont fix it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Beacons the IARU [Was: RTTY Hall of Shame]
I asked a while back about how many logging and contesting programs have band plans in them. Given that 14.100 is in the IARU Band Plan, we should be encouraged to follow it. Leigh/WA5ZNU Or, Hams in nations around the world may choose to take a new look under new circumstances and request that the IARU consider a change to the Band Plan. I believe that the IARU Band Plan is subject to reconsideration and change. -- Thanks! 73, doc, KD4E ... somewhere in FL URL: bibleseven (dot) com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY Hall of Shame
Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO) writes: ... Unless there has been a rule change, enforcement of this must be on a voluntary basis, period, I saw a post about involving the OOs, and the FCC. Has this frequency been officially allocated? If not, then involving an OO would be real abuse of power, as they are supposed to enforce rules not wishes. 14100 kHz +/- 500 Hz at least is designated exclusively for beacon operation in the band plans of all 3 IARU regions. I'm assuming that I decoded the Region 3 plan correctly: it's a MSWord document, and nothing on my system understands those, so I had to guess the meaning of the output from strings | more. Someone who runs Windows is welcome to check my reading w.r.t. Region 3. Whether the FCC (and other national administrations) treat violating an IARU Region band plan as violating the good amateur practice provision of the rules is unclear to me. However, an OO notice, even if not an FCC citation and fine, does seem (IMHO) appropriate for violating the band plan. I do doubt, though, the value of a privately-sponsored public pillory for the offenders. While many contesters operate courteously (I try to on my rare forays into contesting), it is clearly true that some contesters think nothing in the world is more important than their point score. However, I doubt that the kind of lid who QRMs even disaster traffic for the sake of contest points is going to be motivated to improve his manners by appearing in anyone's online Hall of Shame. Such people are probably incapable of shame. If they even notice their nomination, the most they might do is send a reply in gutter language to the OP, and go on behaving at least as badly as before. My first reaction to the Hall of Shame posting was delight that Bonnie had called the lids on their misbehavior, but upon further reflection, I doubt that any good will come from it, beyond Bonnie's personal satisfaction in calling a spade a spade. I'll close by inviting readers' attention to the late Richard Mitchell's essay Yet Another Losing Season: http://www.sourcetext.com/grammarian/newslettersv09/9.6.htm. It makes no mention of ham radio, but if you read it, you'll see why I thought of it in this context. -- 73 DE KW6H, ex AE6VW Chris Jewell Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] IARU Beacons 14100kHz (14099.5 kHz - 14100.5 kHz guard band)
For those who are unfamiliar with it, here is some information about the IARU/NCDXF beacons (see link), and the subject of interference (see attached text below). Link: http://www.ncdxf.org/Beacon/intro.html 73---Bonnie KQ6XA Beacon Interference (Excerpts from the IARU/NCDXF website) The major interference problem for beacon listeners occurs on the twenty meter frequency of 14100 kiloHertz. The IARU/NCDXF beacons have been on this frequency since 1979. The frequency was established before the tremendous advances in the popularity of the digital modes occurred and today the frequencies on both sides of 14100 kiloHertz are full of digital signals. On the ham bands, no station has a legal right to exclusive use of any particular frequency. However, as the digital-mode signals began encroaching on the beacons, both the IARU and the ARRL incorporated into their official band plans the idea that the frequencies between 14099.5 and 14100.5 should be kept clear to protect the beacons at 14100.0. Although these band plans do not have the full force of law, there is general agreement that a properly operated amateur radio station should normally operate within such band plans and the vast majority of digital operators do so... If one listens for the beacons with a receiver whose bandwidth is designed for voice reception, the 2.8 kiloHertz bandwidth typical of such receivers will inevitably receive adjacent digital signals as well as the beacons. When this happens, the resulting interference should not be blamed on digital operators so long as their signals are more than 500 Hertz from the beacon frequency... Unfortunately, not all digital operators are familiar with fact that the official band plan for twenty meters calls for keeping the frequencies around the beacons clear. Furthermore, some digital operators do not realize that their transmitted RF energy occupies frequencies which are different from the frequency which shows on their dial... http://www.ncdxf.org/Beacon/BeaconInterference.html . Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [RTTY] Fwd: [digitalradio] RTTY Hall of Shame
I hear beacons on this freq all the time and use them daily to determine band openings. On 9/25/06, John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever copied a beacon on 14,100 ? ? ? I don't recall doing so in my 35 years as a ham. That may be the shame of the whole deal ___ RTTY mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com www.myspace.com/k3uk Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [RTTY] Fwd: [digitalradio] RTTY Hall of Shame
Jim, you will NOT hear them simply by casually tuning by the frequency. There are many beacons around the world and their signals are times so that each one transmits for a few seconds while the others are silent. So, depedening on the time and on propagation, you may endure a minute or two or silence before you hear the weak CW signal that they transmit. NCDXF/IARU Beacon Transmission Schedule Each beacon transmits every three minutes, day and night. This table gives the minute and second of the start of the first transmission within the hour for each beacon on each frequency. A transmission consists of the callsign of the beacon sent at 22 words per minute followed by four one-second dashes. The callsign and the first dash are sent at 100 watts. The remaining dashes are sent at 10 watts, 1 watt and 100 milliwatts. Click the callsign to see recent reception reports via DX Summit. If you can hear a beacon now, send a report to DX Summit. Call Location 14.100 18.110 21.150 24.930 28.200 Operator Status 4U1UN United Nations 00:00 00:10 00:20 00:30 00:40 UNRC OK VE8AT Canada 00:10 00:20 00:30 00:40 00:50 RAC/NARC OK1 W6WX United States 00:20 00:30 00:40 00:50 01:00 NCDXF OK KH6WO Hawaii 00:30 00:40 00:50 01:00 01:10 KH6BYU OK3 ZL6B New Zealand 00:40 00:50 01:00 01:10 01:20 NZART OK VK6RBP Australia 00:50 01:00 01:10 01:20 01:30 WIA OK JA2IGY Japan 01:00 01:10 01:20 01:30 01:40 JARL OK RR9O Russia 01:10 01:20 01:30 01:40 01:50 SRR OK VR2B Hong Kong 01:20 01:30 01:40 01:50 02:00 HARTS OK5 4S7B Sri Lanka 01:30 01:40 01:50 02:00 02:10 RSSL OK ZS6DN South Africa 01:40 01:50 02:00 02:10 02:20 ZS6DN OK 5Z4B Kenya 01:50 02:00 02:10 02:20 02:30 ARSK OK1 4X6TU Israel 02:00 02:10 02:20 02:30 02:40 IARC OK OH2B Finland 02:10 02:20 02:30 02:40 02:50 SRAL OK CS3B Madeira 02:20 02:30 02:40 02:50 00:00 ARRM OK LU4AA Argentina 02:30 02:40 02:50 00:00 00:10 RCA OFF2 OA4B Peru 02:40 02:50 00:00 00:10 00:20 RCP OK4 YV5B Venezuela 02:50 00:00 00:10 00:20 00:30 RCV OK 1 Operation may be intermittent due to local conditions. 2 Off due to construction at the site. Expected return to the air in May. 3 Operation on the WARC bands began October 6, 2005. 4 Beacon is operating from a temporary location in Lima. 5 Beacon equipment replaced Jan 16, 2006. 6 Off due to hardware problems. Repairs are underway. On 9/25/06, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear beacons on this freq all the time and use them daily to determine band openings. On 9/25/06, John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever copied a beacon on 14,100 ? ? ? I don't recall doing so in my 35 years as a ham. That may be the shame of the whole deal ___ RTTY mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com www.myspace.com/k3uk -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com www.myspace.com/k3uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [RTTY] Fwd: [digitalradio] RTTY Hall of Shame
I think that today you would get a much better picture of band openings by checking http://www.propnet.org/ ... There not only can you check propagation but also from band to band with maps. And who is coping who. Such a much better view of what is going on. John, W0JAB At 08:18 PM 9/25/2006, you wrote: I hear beacons on this freq all the time and use them daily to determine band openings. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Beacons the IARU [Was: RTTY Hall of Shame]
Good point! Just like the DX entities list, the band plan should be dynamic, location sensitive, and of course user-configurable. Leigh/WA5ZNU On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 1:08 pm, kd4e wrote: I asked a while back about how many logging and contesting programs have band plans in them. Given that 14.100 is in the IARU Band Plan, we should be encouraged to follow it. Leigh/WA5ZNU Or, Hams in nations around the world may choose to take a new look under new circumstances and request that the IARU consider a change to the Band Plan. I believe that the IARU Band Plan is subject to reconsideration and change. -- Thanks! 73, doc, KD4E ... somewhere in FL URL: bibleseven (dot) com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
