Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Modes Presentation (Need Help)
From: Miroslav Skoric sko...@ptt.yu Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 Time: 07:39:26 PS: Is there available a short audiovisual sequence of an AX.25 packet signals for download? I'd like to present to the conference audience something like packet audio burst being received and have it decoded on the computer screen (or a short keyboard-to-keyboard conversation between tho ham packet users, or so), but in my area there are no reliable correspondents anymore to make a recording of that. Misko, A few years ago I was on vacation in New Zealand, and was asked to give a talk on AX.25 to a local radio club. I didn't have any lecture material or packet equipment with me, so I had to draw simple diagrams during the lecture itself. A few minutes into the lecture I had the idea to get the audience to take part, by pretending to be AX.25 stations. As you know, New Zealand is the land of sheep, and everyone is very familiar with the sound of sheep. So I demonstrated the sound of an AX.25 signal by emitting a long B (representing an AX.25 connect packet), and a short Ba (representing an ack packet). The sounds were not very accurate (!), but they got the idea. Then I invited a couple of people in the audience to do the same. A QSO followed, with the Bs and Bas going backwards and forwards in both directions. Then I got two more people to set up another QSO. Of course, some of the Bs and Bas collided, so this was to opportunity to talk about retries and hidden stations. Then I set up a digipeater, with other people relaying the Bs and Bas, but with the Bs and Bas extended to Bas and Baas because of the additional packet headers.. Then I set up a national 8-digipeater network, so that eventually everyone in the audience was taking part. Complete and utter chaos! But it was great fun, and I do believe the audience actually learnt something! So you don't always need high tech aids when giving lectures. Good luck with yours. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
Re: [digitalradio] MFTTY 3.0.143 is out
Yyuyyq -Original Message- Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:27:17 am To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Subject: Re: [digitalradio] MFTTY 3.0.143 is out Hi Richmond I have not tested this last version yet. I will give it a try when I am back from work. 73 W6IDS wrote: Hey, Steiner I have it installed. Before I did anything else, I modified the Pilot CQ to add my callsign and Grid Locator (EM79). When I selected the Pilot CQ (I'm using the SEND button now) I found four tone beeps transmissions being transmitted. When I pressed the SEND button, I transmitted the CQ sequence but with no PILOT Tones. My Pilot CQ is: PilotCQ CQ CQ DE W6IDS W6IDS EM79 PilotCQ CQ ..etc etc etc HmmmI'm not totally clear on what's happening or if I accidentally did something wrong in modifying the Pilot CQ. Can you clarify your sentence abut the Pilot Tone below also? Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN
[digitalradio] Re: AX.25 modem as an infrastructure?
Hi Misko. I used to play with AX.25 a lot when I was a teenager. You have two major problems when designing the kind of ad hoc network you are proposing: hidden transmitters and protocol overhead. With 1200Bd shared bandwidth you do not have much wiggle room to cope with either of them. With your ad-hoc approach you would either broadcast data to all nodes in the network (APRS approach), or broadcast routing tables (FlexNet approach) or broadcast request to connect (I don't know any such AX.25 system). Would you be more specific about your approach? Into which category it falls? Flexnet was probably the best AX.25 system designed with working auto router, but still it took some time before the routing tables were updated after a station connected / disconnected. And it was using dedicated links between nodes, so there was no hidden transmitter problem. 73, Vojtech OK1IAK
Re: [digitalradio] MFTTY 3.0.143 is out
Hi Steinar very interesting mode I will QRV 7.039 around 21:00z 73 Hisami 7L4IOU MFTT 3.0.143 # Pilot Tone will be inserted automatically after a transmission pause of equivalent 4 words time # Thin grey line added to spectrum display, indicating the center frequency of Rx-Band-Pass-Filter # Double click on Rx . Hz will copy the Tx freq. # Double click on Tx . Hz will copy the Rx freq. # Tool Tip Text added to UI elements Download it from : http://www.polar-electric.com/MFTT/index.html 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
Re: [digitalradio] MFTTY 3.0.143 is out
Hi Steinar very interesting mode I will QRV 7.039 around 21:00z 73 Hisami 7L4IOU MFTT 3.0.143 # Pilot Tone will be inserted automatically after a transmission pause of equivalent 4 words time # Thin grey line added to spectrum display, indicating the center frequency of Rx-Band-Pass-Filter # Double click on Rx . Hz will copy the Tx freq. # Double click on Tx . Hz will copy the Rx freq. # Tool Tip Text added to UI elements Download it from : http://www.polar-electric.com/MFTT/index.html 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out
I understand, Norbert, now. Hthe information I read leads me to believe (and it's stated as such) that the greater frequency of Pilot tones provides an aid to tuning. IMHO, it seems to me that the pause time that you stated is a bit too long to provide benefit. I don't know where I'd pause for an equivalent of 20 characters. Right now, I am seeing a Pilot tone only at the beginning of the CQ in which I included my callsign, City/State and Locator. I think it could be inserted by the operator at the end of each line of CQ for tuning. I also noticed that without looking at the screen, I instantly recognized the signal by WB4MWD by virtue of the inclusion of the Pilot tones. First time I've been able to identify an exotic mode by ear per se, so the tones have an additional value. I think we just need to adopt a reasonable protocol for the tone use and also allow for manual insertion as needed. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN - Original Message - From: Norbert Pieper polar_elect...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:55 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out Hello Howard and all, In fact the V3.0143 !!DOES!!- send out pilot tone by SEND button or Send By Enter Key The thing is that the pilot is sent out ONLY if there was a reasonable pause between the transmissions. I did set the pause time to a value that is equivalent to the transmission time of 4 Words (20 characters) This was done to avoid an un-needed flood of bothering pilots. My question to the group is: In Pratice: Is that pause time and the effective number of pilots sufficent or is there higher or lower occurrence of pilots needed?
Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out
I think we just need to adopt a reasonable protocol for the tone use and also allow for manual insertion as needed. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN Howard, for manual Pilot insertion, just configure a macro as only Pilot and click that to insert a Pilot whenever you want. What I think FMTTY needs more than anything is the ability to double-click on a callsign and use it for the macros, such as CALL (for the other station's callsign). I cannot seem to get the TxMacro boxes to work. When I configure a macro with Box1 and put a callsign in for Box 1, I still get Box1 transmitting instead of the callsign. The macros also need to be linked to function keys for ease of keyboarding use. There really is not enough time to fill in the TxMacro box for every QSO. You have to capture a callsign as quickly as possible in order to keep from losing a contact. A double-click has proven to be the fastest way to do that. For example, the significant default DigiPan macros which many are familiar with are: F2 CQ F3 Call 3 (transmit, 3x3, 3x3, 3x3, receive) F4 Call (transmit, 1x1) F5 BTU (1x1, receive) F6 Signoff (73, 1x1, SK, receive) This way, the new user only has to press F2 to call CQ, F3 to answer a CQ, and then just alternate between F4 and F5 for the QSO. When finished, he just goes to the next function key in line to signoff. Of course preferences of others may vary! 73, Skip KH6TY
Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out
the macro-name for box1 is Name ... for box2 it is Call that should solve the problem greetz dg9bfc - Original Message - From: kh6ty To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out I think we just need to adopt a reasonable protocol for the tone use and also allow for manual insertion as needed. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN Howard, for manual Pilot insertion, just configure a macro as only Pilot and click that to insert a Pilot whenever you want. What I think FMTTY needs more than anything is the ability to double-click on a callsign and use it for the macros, such as CALL (for the other station's callsign). I cannot seem to get the TxMacro boxes to work. When I configure a macro with Box1 and put a callsign in for Box 1, I still get Box1 transmitting instead of the callsign. The macros also need to be linked to function keys for ease of keyboarding use. There really is not enough time to fill in the TxMacro box for every QSO. You have to capture a callsign as quickly as possible in order to keep from losing a contact. A double-click has proven to be the fastest way to do that. For example, the significant default DigiPan macros which many are familiar with are: F2 CQ F3 Call 3 (transmit, 3x3, 3x3, 3x3, receive) F4 Call (transmit, 1x1) F5 BTU (1x1, receive) F6 Signoff (73, 1x1, SK, receive) This way, the new user only has to press F2 to call CQ, F3 to answer a CQ, and then just alternate between F4 and F5 for the QSO. When finished, he just goes to the next function key in line to signoff. Of course preferences of others may vary! 73, Skip KH6TY
Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out
Hey, Skip! Long time no. Yes, I think you're touching on some things that could go well toward enhancing the operation. I, too, am having a little difficulty with the TX Macro box as well. However, I suspect that if we keep the cards 'n letters coming in, there'll be some attention given to the ideas for sure. HI had not thought about using a marco for the Pilot thingie. DUH! I've been trying it by manually typing it in. I wasn't thinking macro in that instance. Trying to capture the callsign, QTH, etc does take time and causes dead time too, not to mention creating a cumbersome process. But, then again, this is new as we are awareand interesting. So far, I'm one up on the receiver side. Still working to get my first transmit check out moment. Regards, Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN - Original Message - From: kh6ty kh...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out I think we just need to adopt a reasonable protocol for the tone use and also allow for manual insertion as needed. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN Howard, for manual Pilot insertion, just configure a macro as only Pilot and click that to insert a Pilot whenever you want. What I think FMTTY needs more than anything is the ability to double-click on a callsign and use it for the macros, such as CALL (for the other station's callsign). I cannot seem to get the TxMacro boxes to work. When I configure a macro with Box1 and put a callsign in for Box 1, I still get Box1 transmitting instead of the callsign. The macros also need to be linked to function keys for ease of keyboarding use. There really is not enough time to fill in the TxMacro box for every QSO. You have to capture a callsign as quickly as possible in order to keep from losing a contact. A double-click has proven to be the fastest way to do that. For example, the significant default DigiPan macros which many are familiar with are: F2 CQ F3 Call 3 (transmit, 3x3, 3x3, 3x3, receive) F4 Call (transmit, 1x1) F5 BTU (1x1, receive) F6 Signoff (73, 1x1, SK, receive) This way, the new user only has to press F2 to call CQ, F3 to answer a CQ, and then just alternate between F4 and F5 for the QSO. When finished, he just goes to the next function key in line to signoff. Of course preferences of others may vary! 73, Skip KH6TY Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out
Thanks Seigfried! That works now. I could not find where that was in the Help. Now, if Norbert can only code a double-click to enter the call in Box2, that would be great. I know that it is possible under VB6 as I always code it that way in my own VB PSK31 programs. For example, I code according to the following double-click rules (double-clicking in Windows usually automatically selects a word, as I remember.): 1. If the word contains three consecutive numbers, it goes into the RST field. 2. If the word contains one or two numbers, it goes into the callsign field. 3. If the word has no numbers, it goes into the operator name field. 4. For QTH, I select all the words and use a right-click context menu to enter the text into the QTH field. I do not attempt to distinguish between something like PSK31 and a callsign, but rely on the human brain to make the distinction by where the operator makes the double-click selection. 73, Skip KH6TY - Original Message - From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out the macro-name for box1 is Name ... for box2 it is Call that should solve the problem greetz dg9bfc - Original Message - From: kh6ty To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out I think we just need to adopt a reasonable protocol for the tone use and also allow for manual insertion as needed. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN Howard, for manual Pilot insertion, just configure a macro as only Pilot and click that to insert a Pilot whenever you want. What I think FMTTY needs more than anything is the ability to double-click on a callsign and use it for the macros, such as CALL (for the other station's callsign). I cannot seem to get the TxMacro boxes to work. When I configure a macro with Box1 and put a callsign in for Box 1, I still get Box1 transmitting instead of the callsign. The macros also need to be linked to function keys for ease of keyboarding use. There really is not enough time to fill in the TxMacro box for every QSO. You have to capture a callsign as quickly as possible in order to keep from losing a contact. A double-click has proven to be the fastest way to do that. For example, the significant default DigiPan macros which many are familiar with are: F2 CQ F3 Call 3 (transmit, 3x3, 3x3, 3x3, receive) F4 Call (transmit, 1x1) F5 BTU (1x1, receive) F6 Signoff (73, 1x1, SK, receive) This way, the new user only has to press F2 to call CQ, F3 to answer a CQ, and then just alternate between F4 and F5 for the QSO. When finished, he just goes to the next function key in line to signoff. Of course preferences of others may vary! 73, Skip KH6TY Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1785 - Release Date: 11/13/2008 9:12 AM
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QRV 14.068 MFTTY USB / 3991 USB WB4M 2357z 1/13/09 - Original Message - From: Norbert Pieper polar_elect...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:35 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY on 80m Hello Howard, The issue is solved: Cause of Problem: the file c:\Window\system32\dx8vb.dll is not registered. Solution: Download and install new version of MFTT it will fix the Problem automatically. BR Norbert --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, W6IDS w6...@... wrote: Forgot to mention, if it matters, that I'm running VISTA. Howard W6IDS - Original Message - From: W6IDS w6...@... To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] MFTTY on 80m Hey, Steinar! Tried to bring up MFTTY but encountered a problem. I get this flag: Run Time Error '429': ActiveX component can't create object. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@... To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: [digitalradio] MFTTY on 80m Hi all, I am monitoring dial 3588 USB (1000Hz) now Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Yahoo! Groups Links Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out
that was easy to find out how this thing works just right click on the button makro ther you find a predefined text that contains the maros use by the programm glad that i could help dg9bfc siegfried or in short form ... sigi - Original Message - From: kh6ty To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Cc: d...@polar-electric.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out Thanks Seigfried! That works now. I could not find where that was in the Help. Now, if Norbert can only code a double-click to enter the call in Box2, that would be great. I know that it is possible under VB6 as I always code it that way in my own VB PSK31 programs. For example, I code according to the following double-click rules (double-clicking in Windows usually automatically selects a word, as I remember.): 1. If the word contains three consecutive numbers, it goes into the RST field. 2. If the word contains one or two numbers, it goes into the callsign field. 3. If the word has no numbers, it goes into the operator name field. 4. For QTH, I select all the words and use a right-click context menu to enter the text into the QTH field. I do not attempt to distinguish between something like PSK31 and a callsign, but rely on the human brain to make the distinction by where the operator makes the double-click selection. 73, Skip KH6TY - Original Message - From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out the macro-name for box1 is Name ... for box2 it is Call that should solve the problem greetz dg9bfc - Original Message - From: kh6ty To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: MFTTY 3.0.143 is out I think we just need to adopt a reasonable protocol for the tone use and also allow for manual insertion as needed. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN Howard, for manual Pilot insertion, just configure a macro as only Pilot and click that to insert a Pilot whenever you want. What I think FMTTY needs more than anything is the ability to double-click on a callsign and use it for the macros, such as CALL (for the other station's callsign). I cannot seem to get the TxMacro boxes to work. When I configure a macro with Box1 and put a callsign in for Box 1, I still get Box1 transmitting instead of the callsign. The macros also need to be linked to function keys for ease of keyboarding use. There really is not enough time to fill in the TxMacro box for every QSO. You have to capture a callsign as quickly as possible in order to keep from losing a contact. A double-click has proven to be the fastest way to do that. For example, the significant default DigiPan macros which many are familiar with are: F2 CQ F3 Call 3 (transmit, 3x3, 3x3, 3x3, receive) F4 Call (transmit, 1x1) F5 BTU (1x1, receive) F6 Signoff (73, 1x1, SK, receive) This way, the new user only has to press F2 to call CQ, F3 to answer a CQ, and then just alternate between F4 and F5 for the QSO. When finished, he just goes to the next function key in line to signoff. Of course preferences of others may vary! 73, Skip KH6TY Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1785 - Release Date: 11/13/2008 9:12 AM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Modes Presentation (Need Help)
Misko- I'd be happy to send it to you via e-mail. However, it is not a technical presentation at all. It is merely an introduction to the basic sound card based digital modes (MT63, MFSK16, PSK31, Hell, RTTY, Analog SSTV, sound card CW and Olivia). I don't have any information on modes that require TNC's. It is designed as a primer for those who no little to nothing about digital modes but might be interested in giving them a try. Let me know if you still are interested and I'll send it your way. 73- Tom AB8IT --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Miroslav Skoric sko...@ptt.yu wrote: From: Miroslav Skoric sko...@ptt.yu Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Modes Presentation (Need Help) To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 1:39 AM ab8it wrote: I have a presentation that I have used at several ham clubs you could borrow from or use. It is a powerpoint and I could e-mail it to you if you like. Tom- AB8IT Tom, I'd like to have it too. If you don't mind I would give you a credit when I discuss about ham radio at scientific conferences. Misko YT7MPB PS: Is there available a short audiovisual sequence of an AX.25 packet signals for download? I'd like to present to the conference audience something like packet audio burst being received and have it decoded on the computer screen (or a short keyboard-to- keyboard conversation between tho ham packet users, or so), but in my area there are no reliable correspondents anymore to make a recording of that.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Modes Presentation (Need Help)
Im interested so can you send it to me?k4...@arrl.net. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM, T Hermann ab...@yahoo.com wrote: Misko- I'd be happy to send it to you via e-mail. However, it is not a technical presentation at all. It is merely an introduction to the basic sound card based digital modes (MT63, MFSK16, PSK31, Hell, RTTY, Analog SSTV, sound card CW and Olivia). I don't have any information on modes that require TNC's. It is designed as a primer for those who no little to nothing about digital modes but might be interested in giving them a try. Let me know if you still are interested and I'll send it your way. 73- Tom AB8IT --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Miroslav Skoric sko...@ptt.yu wrote: From: Miroslav Skoric sko...@ptt.yu Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Modes Presentation (Need Help) To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 1:39 AM ab8it wrote: I have a presentation that I have used at several ham clubs you could borrow from or use. It is a powerpoint and I could e-mail it to you if you like. Tom- AB8IT Tom, I'd like to have it too. If you don't mind I would give you a credit when I discuss about ham radio at scientific conferences. Misko YT7MPB PS: Is there available a short audiovisual sequence of an AX.25 packet signals for download? I'd like to present to the conference audience something like packet audio burst being received and have it decoded on the computer screen (or a short keyboard-to- keyboard conversation between tho ham packet users, or so), but in my area there are no reliable correspondents anymore to make a recording of that.
