[digitalradio] Software for new digital mode ops

2009-09-01 Thread obrienaj 
We have had a few new members join and ask about software.  Digitalradio 
suggests

Digipan (PSK31 and PSK63 only)
Winwarbler (PSK 31/63 and RTTY)

DM780 (multiple digital modes)
Multipsk (multiple digital modes)
FLdigi ((multiple digital modes) Windows OR Linux .

PSKMAIL (PSK with email)

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC

2009-09-01 Thread DANNY DOUGLAS 
Exactly what we need.  Either would do well with Spotcollector, but I dont know 
about those who use other spotting sofware at their own station (such as MIXW, 
etc.)  I am just now getting into using MultiPSK and it works in conjunction 
with the DXLab stuff, so a lot of potential customers there, as well as those 
who use WnWarbler.  
Danny Douglas
N7DC
ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB

All 2 years or more (except Novice)
Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for 
those who do.  

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Andrew O'Brien 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC


I ran such a cluster for a few years , before I opened the "sked
  page". I was running WinCluster. I do have the bandwidth to run a
  cluster again but want to avoid the cost of some of the better cluster
  software. It would need to be a digital cluster that does not
  propagate spots to other clusters. Either that or have something
  like Hamspots' present cluster/pskreporter page configurable via
  Telnet to Spotcollector. That way, digital mode enthusiasts could
  take full advantage of Spotcollector's filters and collect from
  Hamspots PLUS the general DX Cluster world

  Andy K3UK

  On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM, DANNY DOUGLAS wrote:
  >
  >
  > That me be true, but I have seen several  stateside MFSK and many PSK spots
  > on the clusters.  The next thought is a "digital cluster" which could be
  > used with spot collector?  Those that then wanted "any" digital modes/states
  > or otherwise, could load that one up and see the spots, and they would not
  > particular leak out to other clusters.  I simply do not have room on the
  > screen for even more windows.
  >
  >
  >
  >  Danny Douglas
  > N7DC
  > ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
  > SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
  >
  > All 2 years or more (except Novice)
  > Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
  > I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
  > those who do.
  >
  > Moderator
  > DXandTALK
  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
  > dxandt...@yahoogroups.com
  >
  > Moderator
  > Digital_modes
  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
  >
  > Danny Douglas
  > N7DC
  > ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
  > SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
  >
  > All 2 years or more (except Novice)
  > Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
  > I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
  > those who do.
  >
  > Moderator
  > DXandTALK
  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
  > dxandt...@yahoogroups.com
  >
  > Moderator
  > Digital_modes
  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
  >
  > - Original Message -
  > From: Andrew O'Brien
  > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:25 PM
  > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC
  >
  >
  > Danny, I think they are not being posted/spotted. I have always
  > assumed, perhaps wrongly, that "serious DXers" and cluster owners
  > frown on something like K3UK spotting N7DC because you are not really
  > "DX". Thus even though you might be using an interesting digital mode
  > , I would not spot you on a real DX cluster. If you were ET2US I
  > would spot you, not N7DC. If we all started spotting routine
  > callsigns and their digital modes on a regular cluster, Spotcollector
  > would indeed be the best tool.
  >
  > Andy
  >
  > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM, DANNY DOUGLAS wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >> Where is "there" Tony?  HI.
  >> And I have, on average, 3 sites gathering spots here, and using
  >> SpotCollector which has almost every mode known to man, listed, so its not
  >> like they just disappear on this end.  Looks like the special digital
  >> modes
  >> simply are not being passed thru the network.
  >>
  >> Danny Douglas
  >> N7DC
  >> ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
  >> SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
  >>
  >> All 2 years or more (except Novice)
  >> Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
  >> I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
  >> those who do.
  >>
  >> Moderator
  >> DXandTALK
  >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
  >> dxandt...@yahoogroups.com
  >>
  >> Moderator
  >> Digital_modes
  >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
  >>
  >> - Original Message -
  >> From: Tony
  >> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
  >> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:52 PM
  >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC
  >>
  >>
  >> Danny,
  >>
  >>> What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this
  >>> group,
  >>> why I am not seeing > ANY of them on the spot network?  I would gladly
  >>> give
  >>> some of them a listen, if they

Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC

2009-09-01 Thread Andrew O'Brien 
I ran such a cluster for a few years , before I opened the "sked
page".  I was running WinCluster.  I do have the bandwidth to run a
cluster again but want to avoid the cost of some of the better cluster
software.  It would need to be a digital cluster that does not
propagate spots to other clusters.   Either that or have something
like Hamspots' present cluster/pskreporter page configurable via
Telnet to Spotcollector.  That way, digital mode enthusiasts could
take full advantage of Spotcollector's filters and collect from
Hamspots PLUS the general DX Cluster world

Andy K3UK


On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM, DANNY DOUGLAS wrote:
>
>
> That me be true, but I have seen several  stateside MFSK and many PSK spots
> on the clusters.  The next thought is a "digital cluster" which could be
> used with spot collector?  Those that then wanted "any" digital modes/states
> or otherwise, could load that one up and see the spots, and they would not
> particular leak out to other clusters.  I simply do not have room on the
> screen for even more windows.
>
>
>
>  Danny Douglas
> N7DC
> ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
> SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
>
> All 2 years or more (except Novice)
> Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
> I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
> those who do.
>
> Moderator
> DXandTALK
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
> dxandt...@yahoogroups.com
>
> Moderator
> Digital_modes
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
>
> Danny Douglas
> N7DC
> ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
> SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
>
> All 2 years or more (except Novice)
> Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
> I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
> those who do.
>
> Moderator
> DXandTALK
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
> dxandt...@yahoogroups.com
>
> Moderator
> Digital_modes
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Andrew O'Brien
> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC
>
>
> Danny, I think they are not being posted/spotted. I have always
> assumed, perhaps wrongly, that "serious DXers" and cluster owners
> frown on something like K3UK spotting N7DC because you are not really
> "DX". Thus even though you might be using an interesting digital mode
> , I would not spot you on a real DX cluster. If you were ET2US I
> would spot you, not N7DC. If we all started spotting routine
> callsigns and their digital modes on a regular cluster, Spotcollector
> would indeed be the best tool.
>
> Andy
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM, DANNY DOUGLAS wrote:
>>
>>
>> Where is "there" Tony?  HI.
>> And I have, on average, 3 sites gathering spots here, and using
>> SpotCollector which has almost every mode known to man, listed, so its not
>> like they just disappear on this end.  Looks like the special digital
>> modes
>> simply are not being passed thru the network.
>>
>> Danny Douglas
>> N7DC
>> ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
>> SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
>>
>> All 2 years or more (except Novice)
>> Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
>> I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
>> those who do.
>>
>> Moderator
>> DXandTALK
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
>> dxandt...@yahoogroups.com
>>
>> Moderator
>> Digital_modes
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Tony
>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC
>>
>>
>> Danny,
>>
>>> What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this
>>> group,
>>> why I am not seeing > ANY of them on the spot network?  I would gladly
>>> give
>>> some of them a listen, if they showed up
>>> Danny Douglas N7DC
>>
>> That's a good question...
>>
>> I've noticed 'exotic mode' cluster spots on occasion and I've sent some
>> over
>> the years with Mixw's DX Cluster feature. The response is usually less
>> than
>> stellar.
>>
>> I use this reflector on occasion to spot QRV notes (with Andy's
>> permission)
>> for the purpose of testing less familiar modes like ALE-400. The audience
>> is
>> much smaller than the clusters, but it's members are of course, geared
>> toward digital.
>>
>> Andy's sked page is perfect for digital mode skeds / QRV posts, but it
>> sees
>> little use. I can't figure out why that is with the number of members we
>> have. http://www.obriensweb.com/sked
>>
>> I'm there now at 2250z if you'd like to sked. I'll be on for a few hours.
>>
>> Tony -K2MO
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Andy
>
> 



-- 
Andy

Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC

2009-09-01 Thread DANNY DOUGLAS 
That me be true, but I have seen several  stateside MFSK and many PSK spots on 
the clusters.  The next thought is a "digital cluster" which could be used with 
spot collector?  Those that then wanted "any" digital modes/states or 
otherwise, could load that one up and see the spots, and they would not 
particular leak out to other clusters.  I simply do not have room on the screen 
for even more windows.



 Danny Douglas
N7DC
ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB

All 2 years or more (except Novice)
Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for 
those who do.  

Moderator
DXandTALK
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
dxandt...@yahoogroups.com

Moderator 
Digital_modes
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
 
Danny Douglas
N7DC
ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB

All 2 years or more (except Novice)
Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for 
those who do.  

Moderator
DXandTALK
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
dxandt...@yahoogroups.com

Moderator 
Digital_modes
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159

  - Original Message - 
  From: Andrew O'Brien 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC


Danny, I think they are not being posted/spotted. I have always
  assumed, perhaps wrongly, that "serious DXers" and cluster owners
  frown on something like K3UK spotting N7DC because you are not really
  "DX". Thus even though you might be using an interesting digital mode
  , I would not spot you on a real DX cluster. If you were ET2US I
  would spot you, not N7DC. If we all started spotting routine
  callsigns and their digital modes on a regular cluster, Spotcollector
  would indeed be the best tool.

  Andy

  On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM, DANNY DOUGLAS wrote:
  >
  >
  > Where is "there" Tony?  HI.
  > And I have, on average, 3 sites gathering spots here, and using
  > SpotCollector which has almost every mode known to man, listed, so its not
  > like they just disappear on this end.  Looks like the special digital modes
  > simply are not being passed thru the network.
  >
  > Danny Douglas
  > N7DC
  > ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
  > SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
  >
  > All 2 years or more (except Novice)
  > Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
  > I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
  > those who do.
  >
  > Moderator
  > DXandTALK
  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
  > dxandt...@yahoogroups.com
  >
  > Moderator
  > Digital_modes
  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
  >
  > - Original Message -
  > From: Tony
  > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:52 PM
  > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC
  >
  >
  > Danny,
  >
  >> What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this group,
  >> why I am not seeing > ANY of them on the spot network?  I would gladly give
  >> some of them a listen, if they showed up
  >> Danny Douglas N7DC
  >
  > That's a good question...
  >
  > I've noticed 'exotic mode' cluster spots on occasion and I've sent some over
  > the years with Mixw's DX Cluster feature. The response is usually less than
  > stellar.
  >
  > I use this reflector on occasion to spot QRV notes (with Andy's permission)
  > for the purpose of testing less familiar modes like ALE-400. The audience is
  > much smaller than the clusters, but it's members are of course, geared
  > toward digital.
  >
  > Andy's sked page is perfect for digital mode skeds / QRV posts, but it sees
  > little use. I can't figure out why that is with the number of members we
  > have. http://www.obriensweb.com/sked
  >
  > I'm there now at 2250z if you'd like to sked. I'll be on for a few hours.
  >
  > Tony -K2MO
  >
  >
  > 

  -- 
  Andy

Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC

2009-09-01 Thread Andrew O'Brien 
Danny, I think they are not being posted/spotted.  I have always
assumed, perhaps wrongly, that  "serious DXers" and cluster owners
frown on  something like K3UK spotting N7DC because you are not really
"DX".  Thus even though you might be using an interesting digital mode
, I would not spot you on a real DX cluster.  If you were ET2US I
would spot you, not N7DC.  If we all started spotting routine
callsigns and their digital modes on a regular cluster, Spotcollector
would indeed be the best tool.

Andy


On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM, DANNY DOUGLAS wrote:
>
>
> Where is "there" Tony?  HI.
> And I have, on average, 3 sites gathering spots here, and using
> SpotCollector which has almost every mode known to man, listed, so its not
> like they just disappear on this end.  Looks like the special digital modes
> simply are not being passed thru the network.
>
> Danny Douglas
> N7DC
> ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
> SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
>
> All 2 years or more (except Novice)
> Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
> I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for
> those who do.
>
> Moderator
> DXandTALK
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
> dxandt...@yahoogroups.com
>
> Moderator
> Digital_modes
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tony
> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC
>
>
> Danny,
>
>> What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this group,
>> why I am not seeing > ANY of them on the spot network?  I would gladly give
>> some of them a listen, if they showed up
>> Danny Douglas N7DC
>
> That's a good question...
>
> I've noticed 'exotic mode' cluster spots on occasion and I've sent some over
> the years with Mixw's DX Cluster feature. The response is usually less than
> stellar.
>
> I use this reflector on occasion to spot QRV notes (with Andy's permission)
> for the purpose of testing less familiar modes like ALE-400. The audience is
> much smaller than the clusters, but it's members are of course, geared
> toward digital.
>
> Andy's sked page is perfect for digital mode skeds / QRV posts, but it sees
> little use. I can't figure out why that is with the number of members we
> have. http://www.obriensweb.com/sked
>
> I'm there now at 2250z if you'd like to sked. I'll be on for a few hours.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>
> 



-- 
Andy

Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC

2009-09-01 Thread DANNY DOUGLAS 
Where is "there" Tony?  HI.
And I have, on average, 3 sites gathering spots here, and using SpotCollector 
which has almost every mode known to man, listed, so its not like they just 
disappear on this end.  Looks like the special digital modes simply are not 
being passed thru the network.
   
Danny Douglas
N7DC
ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB

All 2 years or more (except Novice)
Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for 
those who do.  

Moderator
DXandTALK
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
dxandt...@yahoogroups.com

Moderator 
Digital_modes
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tony 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC



  Danny,

  > What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this group, 
why I am not seeing > ANY of them on the spot network?  I would gladly give 
some of them a listen, if they showed up 
  > Danny Douglas N7DC

  That's a good question... 

  I've noticed 'exotic mode' cluster spots on occasion and I've sent some over 
the years with Mixw's DX Cluster feature. The response is usually less than 
stellar.

  I use this reflector on occasion to spot QRV notes (with Andy's permission) 
for the purpose of testing less familiar modes like ALE-400. The audience is 
much smaller than the clusters, but it's members are of course, geared toward 
digital. 

  Andy's sked page is perfect for digital mode skeds / QRV posts, but it sees 
little use. I can't figure out why that is with the number of members we have. 
http://www.obriensweb.com/sked

  I'm there now at 2250z if you'd like to sked. I'll be on for a few hours. 

  Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC

2009-09-01 Thread Tony 
Danny,

> What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this group, 
> why I am not seeing > ANY of them on the spot network?  I would gladly give 
> some of them a listen, if they showed up 
> Danny Douglas N7DC

That's a good question... 

I've noticed 'exotic mode' cluster spots on occasion and I've sent some over 
the years with Mixw's DX Cluster feature. The response is usually less than 
stellar.

I use this reflector on occasion to spot QRV notes (with Andy's permission) for 
the purpose of testing less familiar modes like ALE-400. The audience is much 
smaller than the clusters, but it's members are of course, geared toward 
digital. 

Andy's sked page is perfect for digital mode skeds / QRV posts, but it sees 
little use. I can't figure out why that is with the number of members we have. 
http://www.obriensweb.com/sked

I'm there now at 2250z if you'd like to sked. I'll be on for a few hours. 

Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] ALE400

2009-09-01 Thread Tony 
> Only if they are ...well...forget it

Cat got your tongue Trip?

Tony -K2MO



> "I think most would interpret"
>
> Only if they are ...well...forget it
>
> On 8/31/09, Tony  wrote:
>> Trip,
>>
> Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue
> is not just a
> one time thing... and not just on QRP.
> Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major
> issue.
> When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.)
> ..then tell me its not major.
>>
>> I think most would interpret "when you have it occur 40-50 times with 20
>> over signal" as the number of out-of-sync collisions that occurred during
>> just one of your ALE-400 contacts and not the number of times overall.
>>
>> Understand if you'd rather not discuss it further. Hope you're able to 
>> get
>> it working; let us know what you find.
>>
>> Tony -K2MO
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
>>
>>
>>> ***"If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major 
>>> problem
>>> that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both
>>> ways"***
>>>
>>> 40 to 50 times during a QSO!!..WOW... Damn..I think If it occured 
>>> that
>>> many times during 1 QSO..I would give up..
>>> Dont ya think
>>>
>>> Look guys...Its MUST me something I'm doing wrong or my equipment..I
>>> mean...I have only been using this mode
>>> from the time it came out... and on no less than 3 or 4 diff. radios,
>>> bands and puters..
>>> With no less than 10-15 other users.
>>>
>>> I have ONLY been on HF digi for JUST a few days ...Got my ticket from 
>>> that
>>> "Cracker Jack Box"
>>> Its me, its not really happining..
>>>
>>> I mean.. the hundreds of other users surely would have found this
>>> problemRight??
>>>
>>> Just let it go...I have.
>>>
>>> End of thread.
>>>
>>> 73 de Trip - KT4WO
>>>
>>>
>>>  - Original Message -
>>>  From: Tony
>>>  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>>>  Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:11 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Trip,
>>>
>>>  > Its not a unique problem. KT4WO
>>>
>>>  Well it does seem to be unique problem because we haven't heard from
>>> anyone else with major sync issues (yet). Your comments will hopefully,
>>> bring them out of the woodwork. In my experience and in the experience 
>>> of
>>> others, ALE-400 sync issues happen occasionally and are almost always
>>> associated with weak signals.
>>>
>>>  As the band fades, the mode dips below it's useful threshold and loses
>>> sync. At that point, it's time to quit or switch bands. Trying to 
>>> continue
>>> after that results in a high number of collisions / sync issues because
>>> signals are just too weak.
>>>
>>>  If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem
>>> that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both 
>>> ways.
>>> That certainly seems like a unique situation, but without knowing the
>>> circumstances at the time, it's hard to tell what's really going on.
>>>
>>>  We would certainly appreciate a more detailed description of the band
>>> conditions when the mode lost sync that excessive number of times. For
>>> example; was there heavy QSB, QRM, QRN? Does it ever happen on a clear
>>> channel?  Does it happen on one band more than others? Does it happen on
>>> one PC more than another.
>>>
>>>  You're welcome to sked with me anytime Trip. I'm always on in the
>>> evenings starting around 2300z. I run a 5 element 20 meter mono-band 
>>> Yagi
>>> @ 60ft. I'm sure we could work providing the propagation Gods cooperate.
>>>
>>>  Thanks,
>>>
>>>  Tony -K2MO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Its not a unique problem.
>>>  > KT4WO
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > On 8/31/09, Tony  wrote:
>>>  >> Trip,
>>>  >>
>>>  >> Sounds like you have a unique problem with ALE-400. Hope you find 
>>> out
>>> what
>>>  >> it is and please let us know when you do. Sorry we couldn't help 
>>> you.
>>>  >>
>>>  >> Tony -K2MO
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >> - Original Message -
>>>  >> From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." 
>>>  >> To: 
>>>  >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:30 PM
>>>  >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>> w4pgh
>>>  >>> k3gau
>>>  >>> n4wi
>>>  >>> wa9hcz
>>>  >>> ni9y
>>>  >>> n9fdf
>>>  >>> k9vu
>>>  >>> wb8rol
>>>  >>> ai4cm
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>> Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work)
>>>  >>> Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, somealot
>>>  >>> more(k3gau,w4pgh)
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>> No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost
>>>  >>> 100 bucks on...lol
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>> AgainI love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other
>>>  >>> digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy.  MultiPSK is the ONLY
>>> digi
>>>  >>> software I have paid for...and that says alot for me...
>>>  >>> Im cheap!!...LOL
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>> If it just h

Re: [digitalradio] ALE400

2009-09-01 Thread Thomas Carswell Jr. 
"I think most would interpret"

Only if they are ...well...forget it

On 8/31/09, Tony  wrote:
> Trip,
>
 Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue
 is not just a
 one time thing... and not just on QRP.
 Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major
 issue.
 When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.)
 ..then tell me its not major.
>
> I think most would interpret "when you have it occur 40-50 times with 20
> over signal" as the number of out-of-sync collisions that occurred during
> just one of your ALE-400 contacts and not the number of times overall.
>
> Understand if you'd rather not discuss it further. Hope you're able to get
> it working; let us know what you find.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
>
>
>> ***"If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem
>> that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both
>> ways"***
>>
>> 40 to 50 times during a QSO!!..WOW... Damn..I think If it occured that
>> many times during 1 QSO..I would give up..
>> Dont ya think
>>
>> Look guys...Its MUST me something I'm doing wrong or my equipment..I
>> mean...I have only been using this mode
>> from the time it came out... and on no less than 3 or 4 diff. radios,
>> bands and puters..
>> With no less than 10-15 other users.
>>
>> I have ONLY been on HF digi for JUST a few days ...Got my ticket from that
>> "Cracker Jack Box"
>> Its me, its not really happining..
>>
>> I mean.. the hundreds of other users surely would have found this
>> problemRight??
>>
>> Just let it go...I have.
>>
>> End of thread.
>>
>> 73 de Trip - KT4WO
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Tony
>>  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>>  Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:11 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Trip,
>>
>>  > Its not a unique problem. KT4WO
>>
>>  Well it does seem to be unique problem because we haven't heard from
>> anyone else with major sync issues (yet). Your comments will hopefully,
>> bring them out of the woodwork. In my experience and in the experience of
>> others, ALE-400 sync issues happen occasionally and are almost always
>> associated with weak signals.
>>
>>  As the band fades, the mode dips below it's useful threshold and loses
>> sync. At that point, it's time to quit or switch bands. Trying to continue
>> after that results in a high number of collisions / sync issues because
>> signals are just too weak.
>>
>>  If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem
>> that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both ways.
>> That certainly seems like a unique situation, but without knowing the
>> circumstances at the time, it's hard to tell what's really going on.
>>
>>  We would certainly appreciate a more detailed description of the band
>> conditions when the mode lost sync that excessive number of times. For
>> example; was there heavy QSB, QRM, QRN? Does it ever happen on a clear
>> channel?  Does it happen on one band more than others? Does it happen on
>> one PC more than another.
>>
>>  You're welcome to sked with me anytime Trip. I'm always on in the
>> evenings starting around 2300z. I run a 5 element 20 meter mono-band Yagi
>> @ 60ft. I'm sure we could work providing the propagation Gods cooperate.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  Tony -K2MO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  > Its not a unique problem.
>>  > KT4WO
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On 8/31/09, Tony  wrote:
>>  >> Trip,
>>  >>
>>  >> Sounds like you have a unique problem with ALE-400. Hope you find out
>> what
>>  >> it is and please let us know when you do. Sorry we couldn't help you.
>>  >>
>>  >> Tony -K2MO
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> - Original Message -
>>  >> From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." 
>>  >> To: 
>>  >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:30 PM
>>  >> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>> w4pgh
>>  >>> k3gau
>>  >>> n4wi
>>  >>> wa9hcz
>>  >>> ni9y
>>  >>> n9fdf
>>  >>> k9vu
>>  >>> wb8rol
>>  >>> ai4cm
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work)
>>  >>> Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, somealot
>>  >>> more(k3gau,w4pgh)
>>  >>>
>>  >>> No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost
>>  >>> 100 bucks on...lol
>>  >>>
>>  >>> AgainI love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other
>>  >>> digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy.  MultiPSK is the ONLY
>> digi
>>  >>> software I have paid for...and that says alot for me...
>>  >>> Im cheap!!...LOL
>>  >>>
>>  >>> If it just had a delay kick in when it losses sync...then it could
>>  >>> re-sync.  One gud static crash and it can lose sync.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Look...Im not trin' to be a prick... but we have tried
>>  >>> everything..."been there, done that" kinda
>>  >>> thing... Me and Bill gave up on it and now us

[digitalradio] New release (4.15) of MULTIPSK - MIL-STD-188-110A

2009-09-01 Thread Patrick Lindecker 
New release (4.15) of MULTIPSK

Pour les francophones: la version française de ce message se trouve sur mon 
site (http://f6cte.free.fr). Il suffit de cliquer sur le lien "Principales 
modifications (courriel avertissant de la sortie de la nouvelle version)".


Hello to all Ham and SWL,




The new release of MultiPSK (4.15) is on my Web site (http://f6cte.free.fr). 
The main mirror site is Earl's, N8KBR: http://www.eqth.info/multipsk/index.html 
(click on "United States Download Site").
Another mirror site isTerry's: http://g90swl.co.uk/multipsk/

Multispk associated to Clock are freeware programs but with functions submitted 
to a licence (by user key).




The main modifications of MULTIPSK 4.15 are the following:




1) Decoding of the MIL-STD-188-110A ("110A") + 110A beacon

This mode (MIL-STD-188-110A/B) is named also FED-STD-1052 or STANAG 4539. It is 
used mainly by professionals (the text being mostly encrypted) but also, 
rarely, by Hams. 

The 75 bps sub-mode in TX (beacon) is proposed by Multipsk.


Several sub modes (75 to 4800 bps) and two different interleaving (short and 
long) are proposed. All modes are fixed frequency, except a 75 bps (bits per 
second) sub-mode which is transmitted in "frequency hopping". It is not decoded 
in this soft.

The receiver should be in USB mode. The bandwidth must extend from 300 to 3300 
Hz (at -30 dB) with a relatively flat frequency response between 600 and 3000 
Hz. The central frequency is, in this case, equal to 1800Hz. It can be selected 
a 1500 Hz central frequency for Ham receivers.

The soft automatically decodes the speed (75, 150, 600, 1200, 2400 or 4800 bps) 
and the interleaver (short or long), in different character formats.

The radio-amateur frequency proposed for this mode is 14104 KHz (adjusted on 
the transceiver). 

Important: in USA, 110A text transmission is forbidden. PSE, check if it is 
allowed in your country.




This mode is available for licencied copies, only (otherwise, the decoding is 
stopped after 5 minutes). However the 75 bps sub-mode in format 8N1 (RX/TX) is 
free.

See specifications further on.




2) RS ID, Call ID (Prop ID)



These identifiers are now permanently monitored in background, by default (the 
CPU load being weak). The management of these identifiers has been improved. 



For Call ID and "Prop ID" ("Propagation ID"), it is proposed four frequencies 
bandwiths for transmission and monitoring. 
3590, 7040, 10148, 14075 KHz (to adjust on the transceiver).
All the minimum AF band, i.e. from 200 Hz to 2500 Hz can be used. These 
frequencies can be favourably scaned ("Transceiver" button).

http://f6cte.free.fr/The_RS_ID_easy_with_Multipsk.doc

http://f6cte.free.fr/The_Call_ID_and_Prop_ID_easy_with_Multipsk.doc




3) Improvements of

- the SdR mode and frequency management,

- the ARQ FAE mode (in ALE or ALE400),

- the JT65, GMDSS and SELCAL modes.




110A specifications:




Baud rate: 2400.




Modulation: 8PSK (not differential, the exact phase being determined through 
known data) with a central frequency of 1800 Hz




Reception mode: USB

Character set: different synchronous or asynchronous formats are proposed (5 
ITA2, 7 bits ASCII or 8 bits (ASCII+ANSI)) 

Shape of pulse: raised cosine

Bandwidth: about 3 KHz (300 to 3300 Hz)

Demodulation: coherent

Synchronization: automatic using the known data

Convolution code: except in 4800 bps, yes. The constraint lenght is equal to 7 
bits, 

Interleaving: except in 4800 bps, yes. Two interleavings are proposed: short or 
long. However, it is expected the possibility not to use interleaving.

Pmean/Ppeak: about 0.76 (specific to Multipsk in TX)

Lowest S/N (on Multipsk): + 4 dB in 75 bps mode (first decodings at +1.5 dB) 
and + 10 dB in 2400 bps (the signal to noise ratio must be, in general, very 
good, to be able to decode this mode, i.e "excellent" at 2400 bps and "good" at 
75 bps). 

Each frame contains a synchronization preamble phase where the sub-mode is 
defined, a data phase where the unknown data is transmitted (mixed with known 
data to follow the transmission characteristics) , an "End of Message" ("EOM") 
phase and a final flushing phase (to finish de-interleaving and de-convolution 
operations).

An adaptative equalization is required at this speed (2400 bauds).

73

Patrick

Re: [digitalradio] PSK-PACKET anyone?

2009-09-01 Thread Patrick Lindecker 
Hello Andy,

> Just back from holiday, which version do I need for PSK-packet?  I am
Click on the button "Packet+APRS", then "PSK" (BPSK in fact). 3 speeds are 
proposed (63 (new), 250 (new) and the standard 1200 bauds for satellite.

It is exactly the same working as FSK Packet, except the modulation. However 
for the same speed (1200 for example), PSK  is better than FSK in term of 
minimum S/N.

73
Patrick

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew O'Brien" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSK-PACKET anyone?


> Just back from holiday, which version do I need for PSK-packet?  I am
> running 4.15 and do not see it.
>
> Andy K3UK
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:46 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>
>> MultiPSK... and its Packet but using BPSK63/250 instead of 300b FSK
>> Trip - KT4WO
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Phil Williams
>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSK-PACKET anyone?
>> What app are you running for this mode?
>>
>> philw de ka1gmn kn
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:57 PM,  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone up for some PSK-PACKET?? 63b
>>>
>>> on 10.141.5 1650hz
>>> 21:00 Easttime
>>>
>>> Trip - KT4WO
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Andy
>
>
> 
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> Logging Software:  DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe.
>
>
>
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[digitalradio] ALE400 - repetitive disconnexion

2009-09-01 Thread Patrick Lindecker 
Hello Thomas,

> When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) ..then tell me 
> its not major.
As this frequency (40-50 times) is not normal, I think there is another 
problem.

Hypothesis: I suppose that you want to do a QSO, have clicked on "ARQ FAE" 
and "CQ" and a Ham has done the connection with your station.

Note: if you are the "Master" (the one who initiates the QSO), it is better 
to check "Master" in the "Mode" box, this to come back to your initial AF 
frequency and to avoid a drift in frequency.

 I list below the possible problems:
* sound card sampling frequency not adjusted...solution:  menu, 
click on ,
* AF level too low (<10 %) as displayed in a caption to the left of the Mode 
panel: you must target about 30 to 50 % (not critical) using the mixer. 
Possibly , you can sample in 16 bits (you will win about 2 or 3 bits in fact 
due to noise):  menu, click on . However, the most 
robust, CPU economic and simple is to work on 8 bits.
 * your computer must be fast (>1000 MHz) not to introduce big CPU delays,
 * to switch XCVR, prefer direct control or CAT system. With VOX, the 
introduced delay (VOX+XCVR) must be checked (above 130 ms there is a problem 
for ALE400),
 * of course, the AF level to the XCVR must be adjusted (not to overload the 
XCVR or not to be close to the noise), but it is not  different from any 
other mode.
 * Possibly, unclick the "AFC" (in case of big QRM (RTTY for example) on 
your frequency).

For procedures, refer to:
http://f6cte.free.fr/ALE_and_ALE400_easy_with_Multipsk.doc
http://f6cte.free.fr/The_ARQ_FAE_beacon_easy_with_Multipsk.doc

I hope this helps a bit.
Note: about this problem, it would be better to continue on the Multipsk 
Yahoo group.

73
Patrick


- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Carswell Jr." 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400


> Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue
> is not just a
> one time thing... and not just on QRP.
> Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg)...BUT It IS a major issue.
> When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.)
> ..then tell me its not major.
> I have had 100+ QSO's in this modewith 10-12 diff. ops.
> BTW..the new "PSK-Packet" has the same problem.
> KT4WO
>
>
> On 8/30/09, John Bradley  wrote:
>>
>>
>> "> I have brought this up to Patrick a few timesI asked for a
>>> "slottime" or some random timer...
>>> I think this would solve the problem. This is a MAJOR ISSUE with ALE400.
>>> Until this is fixed...ALE400 will never become "mainstream"
>>> I have been fighting this issuse sense ALE400 came out.
>>> So far...he has not worked on that..maybe you will have better luck
>> getting
>>> him to address this.??!!??! !??
>>> Maybe now that someone other than me and Dave "sees" this is a problem,
>>> Patrick
>>> will fix it???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is not a MAJOR issue.. Tony , K2M) and I were testing this and found
>> that while we could get ALE400 out of sync under very weak
>>
>> signals . we both had to go QRP, by not typing anything into the buffer 
>> for
>> a moment got the signal back without further collisions.
>>
>> Seemed to work well for us.
>>
>>
>>
>> Both using the latest (13th) test version of multipsk, not sure if that 
>> has
>> any effect,  found at 
>> 
>> http://f6cte.free.fr/MULTIPSK_TEST_13_08_2009.ZIP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> john
>>
>> VE5MU
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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>