[digitalradio] Re: IZ8BLY's PSK63F

2010-01-07 Thread hteller
Tony, we did extensive testing this morning on 70cm between PSK63F and 
DominoEx 4, and DominoEx4, even under the severe, fast Doppler shift 
almost always on that band, was significantly better copy than PSK63F 
when signals were just over the noise. The minimum required S/N of 
PSK63F compared to DominoEx 4 also hurt its relative performance 
compared to DominoEx 4 in QSB. We did not have time to compare to 
DominoEx 8, which is roughly the same speed as PSK63F, but our previous 
tests between DominoEx 4 and DominoEx 8 showed that on VHF and UHF, 
either SSB or FM, that the 3 dB minimum S/N advantage of DominoEx 4 is 
very necessary. Signals at 200 miles are almost always just above the 
noise on SSB phone or DominoEx 4 on 70 cm. That is why operators on 
those bands are called weak signal operators!

If you could make simulation tests between PSK63F, DominoEx 4 and 
DominoEx 8, it would help us find out the best mode to recommend for 
VHF/UHF. We will be making more real world tests again this week on both 
two meters and 70cm.

73

Skip KH6TY




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 1a. IZ8BLY's PSK63F
 Posted by: Tony d...@optonline.net kt2q
 Date: Mon Jan 4, 2010 12:52 am ((PST))

 All,

 Recent path simulation tests indicate that Nino Porcino's PSK63F 
 offers better performance over PSK31 and PSK63 in a couple of areas. 
 The most significant improvement is it's ability to endure Doppler 
 spread found on paths that cross the polar ionosphere. Both PSK31 and 
 PSK63 fail miserably in this area; see high-lat test samples below.

 Path Simulation: High Latitude (Moderate) Path Delay: 3ms, Doppler 
 spread 10Hz
 Pangram Text: Quick Brown Fox

 PSK63F  --  the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
 PSK63--  mev roe tt#dtorl|f- bn ô mp e o ihe Fzy dg
 PSK31--   nls oSer Òe naAeta qlipM h nV o T rn agâ o
 RTTY --  TH QACKH492, FOJUMP OR THTLAZY G

 Sensitivity-wise, it's quite a bit more sensitivity than PSK63, but 
 only marginally better than PSK31. Although it's speed is about 25% 
 faster than PSK31, it's about 40% slower than PSK63. Average wmp rate 
 seems to be 63 wpm for PSK63F.

 Lowest S/N (sensitivity)

 PSK63F -12db
 PSK63 -7db
 PSK31   -11db
 RTTY  -5db

 Additional path tests indicate that PSK31 and PSK63F perform about the 
 same under moderate mid-latitude conditions (CCIR fading channel). 
 Tests show that PSK31 and PSK63F will outperform PSK63 when signals 
 are weak under quiet conditions since they both have greater sensitivity.

 It would be interesting to hear from our HF digital friends up north 
 who experience the distorting effects of the polar ionosphere on a 
 regular basis; this is where the PSK63F mode can be put to the test.

 Available software:

 Nino Porcino's Stream -- http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/
 Patrick Lindeckers Multipsk -- http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm 
 (thanks for including PSK63F Patrick)

 Tony, K2MO

 



Re: [digitalradio] IZ8BLY's PSK63F

2010-01-07 Thread Wes Cosand
With Tony's permission, PSK63F data is added to the graphs at

http://mysite.verizon.net/wz7i/digitalmodes.html

Wes, WZ7I
www.wz7i.com


Re: [digitalradio] PSK63F

2010-01-07 Thread Glenn L. Roeser
I just finished my very first ragchew using PSK63F...I am very impressed. I was 
in QSO with Don (W1OER) and we were on 80 meters.
I was running my usual 5 watts and we compared my 5 watt signal using PSK31, 
and then PSK63f.
Don reports that he got most of my print using the PSK31, but I was solid print 
with PSK63F, not a letter missed.
I will continue to use it and it is a fun mode!
Very 73 to all, Glenn (WB2LMV)





From: David w1...@w1hkj.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 4:53:38 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] PSK63F

  
PSK63F is available on the soon to be released versopm 3.13 of fldigi. You can 
download the beta test version for various OS here:

http://www.w1hkj. com/alpha/ fldigi-flarq/

This version also supports new modes, PSK-125R, PSK-250R and PSK-500R; the R 
indicating Robust. These modes are similar to PSK63F, but also include an 
interleaver. You can learn more about these modes here:

http://www.w1hkj. com/Fldigi- Help-3.13

Source code for fldigi is always available for alpha and release versions.

73, Dave, W1HKJ
fldigi development team