Re: [digitalradio] WINMOR Server Busy Detect- report
No one answered his CQ. The transmitting Winmor stations were in Europe, so perhaps they did not hear the CW station. Andy K3UK On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:16 AM, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net wrote: Andy, any idea why the Winmor station transmited on an already busy frequency? Because it did not copy N0OE? Busy detector disabled? Your side worked - why did the other side not work? Did anyone answer N0OE's CQ? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/5/2010 9:11 PM, Andy obrien wrote: As promised, I did a little experimenting with the RMS Winmor server software and its busy detect feature. Tonight N0OE was calling CQ right on my frequency , within 100 hz of my center frequency. At the same time a Winmor station issued a connect request to my station K3UK-5, in fact this happened twice during N0OE's CQ in CW on 7103. On each occasion my station blocked the connect request and refused to respond to the Winmor station calling me. So, as the client software RMS Express works well with Busy Detect, I can report the server sofware busy detects also works as advertised. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] WINMOR Server Busy Detect- report
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:16 AM, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net wrote: Andy, any idea why the Winmor station transmited on an already busy frequency? Because it did not copy N0OE? Busy detector disabled? Your side worked - why did the other side not work? Did anyone answer N0OE's CQ? 73, Skip KH6TY So Skip,... the fact that it works on client and server raises the issue of the two modes that have been criticized for frequently not using busy-detect...ALE 141 and Pactor BBS. I think Pactor may actually have busy detect already. It would be nice to see these two modes widely adopt something that Winmor has proven is possible. Andy
Re: [digitalradio] WINMOR Server Busy Detect- report
I have a Yeasu 757 GX sitting around and I was thinking about setting up a fixed freq Winmor server. My question is the TX/RX switching times. I know the 757 GX is to slow for Pactor III but I have no idea about Winmor speed requirements. I have used RMS Express a few times with my 706MKIIG but I have never tried it on the Yeasu. Thoughts anyone? 73, de Mike N7NMS From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 3:20:11 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] WINMOR Server Busy Detect- report No one answered his CQ. The transmitting Winmor stations were in Europe, so perhaps they did not hear the CW station. Andy K3UK On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:16 AM, KH6TY kh...@comcast. net wrote: Andy, any idea why the Winmor station transmited on an already busy frequency? Because it did not copy N0OE? Busy detector disabled? Your side worked - why did the other side not work? Did anyone answer N0OE's CQ? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/5/2010 9:11 PM, Andy obrien wrote: As promised, I did a little experimenting with the RMS Winmor server software and its busy detect feature. Tonight N0OE was calling CQ right on my frequency , within 100 hz of my center frequency. At the same time a Winmor station issued a connect request to my station K3UK-5, in fact this happened twice during N0OE's CQ in CW on 7103. On each occasion my station blocked the connect request and refused to respond to the Winmor station calling me. So, as the client software RMS Express works well with Busy Detect, I can report the server sofware busy detects also works as advertised. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] 13 Colonies
Dave, It was nice to see a lot of PSK31 activity during Field Day as well, but one thing I noticed was it seemed that many of the ops were running AFC and they were moving off of the QSO because so many sigs we so close togeather on the WF. Did you see the same Thing? BTW, we W3YMW, my club worked your club on 10 phone and I saw you on PSK from the EOC working somone else but I couldn't find you later. 73 de Mike N7NMS From: KB3FXI kb3...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 11:26:40 PM Subject: [digitalradio] 13 Colonies It was good to see a few of the 13 Colonies stations on PSK. I wish more of the special event stations would work digital. It would really open it up to the low profile stations. -Dave, KB3FXI Dave
Re: [digitalradio] WINMOR Server Busy Detect- report
I think it would be fine. Andy K3UK On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Mike Liller n7...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a Yeasu 757 GX sitting around and I was thinking about setting up a fixed freq Winmor server. My question is the TX/RX switching times. I know the 757 GX is to slow for Pactor III but I have no idea about Winmor speed requirements. I have used RMS Express a few times with my 706MKIIG but I have never tried it on the Yeasu. Thoughts anyone? 73, de Mike N7NMS -- *From:* Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 3:20:11 AM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] WINMOR Server Busy Detect- report No one answered his CQ. The transmitting Winmor stations were in Europe, so perhaps they did not hear the CW station. Andy K3UK On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:16 AM, KH6TY kh...@comcast. netkh...@comcast.net wrote: Andy, any idea why the Winmor station transmited on an already busy frequency? Because it did not copy N0OE? Busy detector disabled? Your side worked - why did the other side not work? Did anyone answer N0OE's CQ? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/5/2010 9:11 PM, Andy obrien wrote: As promised, I did a little experimenting with the RMS Winmor server software and its busy detect feature. Tonight N0OE was calling CQ right on my frequency , within 100 hz of my center frequency. At the same time a Winmor station issued a connect request to my station K3UK-5, in fact this happened twice during N0OE's CQ in CW on 7103. On each occasion my station blocked the connect request and refused to respond to the Winmor station calling me. So, as the client software RMS Express works well with Busy Detect, I can report the server sofware busy detects also works as advertised. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] WINMOR Server Busy Detect- report
Does Winmor keep any log of activity? 73, Skip KH6TY It logs each connect plus other activity example 2010/07/06 00:00:04 RMS WINMOR ID sent on frequency: 7104.50 KHz 2010/07/06 03:23:38 RMS WINMOR -Western New York Gateway (FN02HK) 2010/07/06 03:23:39 108 Minutes remaining 2010/07/06 03:23:39 Callsign : 2010/07/06 03:23:39 VE3VAI 2010/07/06 03:23:39 Password : 2010/07/06 03:23:39 CMSTelnet K3UK-5 7104500 21 2010/07/06 03:23:40 [WL2K-2.3.0.0-B2FIHJM$] 2010/07/06 03:23:40 Perth CMS via K3UK-5 2010/07/06 03:24:18 [RMS Express-1.0.2.0-B2FHM$] 2010/07/06 03:24:41 ; K3UK-5 DE VE3VAI (EN58II) 2010/07/06 03:24:41 FC EM GR2NZOR3F2D5 2866 936 0 2010/07/06 03:24:41 F 58 2010/07/06 03:24:42 Receiving binary data... 2010/07/06 03:24:42 FS Y 2010/07/06 03:28:26 *** Session:4.5 min; Avg Thruput: 228 Bytes/min; 1 Min Peak Thruput: 447 Bytes/min 2010/07/06 06:49:24 RMS WINMOR 1.0.14.0 Closed 2010/07/06 07:11:39 RMS WINMOR 1.0.14.0 Opened 2010/07/06 07:11:58 RMS WINMOR ID sent on frequency: 7104.50 KHz 2010/07/06 09:00:02 RMS WINMOR ID sent on frequency: 3584.50 KHz
[digitalradio] Re:WINMOR Server Busy Detect- report
Andy, Skip, Andy that appears to be a good test and (assuming the N0 station was hidden from the calling European RMS Express station) an indication the busy detector does work to block the connect and help address the hidden transmitter problem often referenced. Some facts for Skip and others that may be less familiar with the busy detector and RMS WINMOR: The RMS WINMOR station of course automatically keeps a log. In fact every session is logged and every contact (UTC Time, call signs, frequency, bytes sent/received) is captured to the master data base for analysis. If the RMS WINMOR also has the debug log enabled it can also capture (UTC time tagged to 10 ms resolution) the intimate details of the connect request timing, busy detector output, blocking function, and a wealth of other internal details of the decoding process. The busy detector does now have a squelch adjustment. This was requested and necessary for fine tuning in higher noise environments (where a continual busy detection might occur). The squelch does not adjust the sensitivity to amplitude.that is always automatic.but the trip points for the wide and narrow ratio detectors that make up the busy detector. The busy detector for the RMS WINMOR (server) can be disabled by the sysop. Two reasons for this: 1) It is still experimental and being optimized but as Andy noted it does work fairly well and is being adopted. The first RMS WINMOR stations were brought on board in January. 2) In case of emergency it is prudent to give the sysop control over this function. The busy detector for the RMS Express (client) cannot be disabled but only causes a pop up warning to the operator that the channel appears busy. The operator could over ride this if required (again an emergency feature giving the operator some discretion). The busy detector only operates over a selected frequency range of interest (e.g. the bandwidth of the session + guard bands) so it is normally not necessary to IF pre filter it. Pre filtering does of course help to suppress receiver AGC capture by signals outside the desired pass band just as it would with any mode so pre filtering is helpful to reject strong adjacent channel signals but it does not affect the busy detector itself. I think the question that goes begging here is not is it possible or does it work.Andy's test shows at least one good example it can work. The question should be Why don't other modes or clients implement a busy detector too? The code is not complex and is not mode specific. If you wish I'll post the VB.NET source which could of course be translated easily into any other language. Its 66 lines of code including comments. The only DSP utility required is the FFT to get the frequency bins. I'm sure if we had more skilled programmers working on it we could make it more effective and reliable. These busy detectors aren't perfect.can't be perfect for all modes and all conditions. but they help and in many cases they are more reliable than the human initiating the connection. At the least they can and should serve as an aid to the human operator. With today's DSP digital modes there is really no reason not to implement them as a tool to augment the operator's ear.especially important for new and untrained operators. Let me know if there is interest in the source code and I'll package it up for posting along with some description of its operation. Rick Muething, KN6KB
[digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in the software Three (3!!!) calling frequencies on 20m for a 2250Hz wide mode... and if you ask why, you get excluded from their Yahoo group and accused of claiming a frequency of one's own. While ROS effectively claims 14.103 upto 14.115. Mentioning that a few dozen Remote Message Servers reside there meets deaf ears (and deaf antennas)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
It is a shame . There is only one thing to do -take back these frequencies by running other modes when they are free 73 de la5vna Steinar On 06.07.2010 18:08, pd4u_dares wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in the software Three (3!!!) calling frequencies on 20m for a 2250Hz wide mode... and if you ask why, you get excluded from their Yahoo group and accused of claiming a frequency of one's own. While ROS effectively claims 14.103 upto 14.115. Mentioning that a few dozen Remote Message Servers reside there meets deaf ears (and deaf antennas)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
Greetings All, It still is a big question for me how an author of a, being it nice, program, not licensed radio amateur, can assign frequencies. I wished somebody could explain that to me and why it is that there is no real reaction or questioning of this action by the amateur community as such. Understand me well, I have nothing against ROS modem and would like to be able to use and experiment with it. But assigning frequencies goes way beyond my idea about amateur radio organization. I address this in spite of a certain electronic engineer in the UK who wants me to keep quiet. He is welcome though to use his trash bin 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Sent: Jul 6, 2010 1:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters It is a shame . There is only one thing to do -take back these frequencies by running other modes when they are free 73 de la5vna Steinar On 06.07.2010 18:08, pd4u_dares wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in the software Three (3!!!) calling frequencies on 20m for a 2250Hz wide mode... and if you ask why, you get excluded from their Yahoo group and accused of claiming a frequency of one's own. While ROS effectively claims 14.103 upto 14.115. Mentioning that a few dozen Remote Message Servers reside there meets deaf ears (and deaf antennas) http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] Hamspots site and ROS
Hi All, Most of us might have noticed the disappearance of the ROS section at the Australian ham spots list. http://hamspots.net/ ros/ I just noticed at least one reaction: A wrote: Hi All, Can anyone explaine why the HamSpots web page for ROS, now states: +++ Maybe lack of use? Whenever I've looked on there I've either been alone or had one other member and possibly a guest. +++ How would one classify a statement like the above one? Deadly silence probably. 73 Rein W6SZ
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
WHO/WHAT is claiming 14.103 - 14.115? The author? The Hams who seem to be intrigued with ROS? If there's an apparent acceptance of the claimed freq spread, then it's not the author only who's in need of a good trouncing. UH OH.now I've done it. Bet I won't ever get on their forum, much less be able to use ROS any time soon SNIFFLE I'm down in the dingy cellar now with the likes of John W0JAB! Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79NV - Original Message - From: pd4u_dares p...@hotmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 12:08 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in the software Three (3!!!) calling frequencies on 20m for a 2250Hz wide mode... and if you ask why, you get excluded from their Yahoo group and accused of claiming a frequency of one's own. While ROS effectively claims 14.103 upto 14.115. Mentioning that a few dozen Remote Message Servers reside there meets deaf ears (and deaf antennas)
AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
As most dx is done on 20m and to give more hams a chance for a qso jose made 3 qrg on 20m . and he changed them SEVERAL TIMES after there were some other telling there is a pactor qrg or this is a packet qrg etc. .. he asked several times about qrg so I do not see where you have a problem . yes it is a wide mode but it is used for LONG DISTANCE DX with low power .. From italy to spain with a beam and a gallon of output you can do it with voice, psk, or something else . Ros is programmed for low power qrppp experiments . with a few watt and a groundplane for a 16000 km path .. But there are users thinking more power is better . and using ros the wrong way .. With lots of power and a beam . so to give others a better chance there are 3 qrg on 20m . that's all Sometimes I hear packet or pactor on one or two of the 20m qrg so if I hear that I go to the third qrg and try it there . Greetz Dg9bfc Sigi
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
The 14.105 packet group has been there a long time, but all I ever hear there now is splatter from ROS. If jose were a ham and had a better understanding of the gentlemen's agreement on bandplans, a lot of his inconvenience of having to reassign frequencies could have been avoided. Oops, off the cellar with me. phil n4zsa - Original Message - From: Siegfried Jackstien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:16 PM Subject: AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters As most dx is done on 20m and to give more hams a chance for a qso jose made 3 qrg on 20m . and he changed them SEVERAL TIMES after there were some other telling there is a pactor qrg or this is a packet qrg etc. .. he asked several times about qrg so I do not see where you have a problem . yes it is a wide mode but it is used for LONG DISTANCE DX with low power .. From italy to spain with a beam and a gallon of output you can do it with voice, psk, or something else . Ros is programmed for low power qrppp experiments . with a few watt and a groundplane for a 16000 km path .. But there are users thinking more power is better . and using ros the wrong way .. With lots of power and a beam . so to give others a better chance there are 3 qrg on 20m . that's all Sometimes I hear packet or pactor on one or two of the 20m qrg so if I hear that I go to the third qrg and try it there . Greetz Dg9bfc Sigi
[digitalradio] jt65-hf 18102
VK3XQ on 17m calling CQ jt65-hf Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf 18102
Listening From: Russell Blair Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:30 PM To: Digital Radio Subject: [digitalradio] jt65-hf 18102 VK3XQ on 17m calling CQ jt65-hf Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2986 - Release Date: 07/06/10 14:36:00
Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf 18102
Rudy, worked him agn for the 2nd time, yesterday as well, its a short window, been on 17m all day calling CQ and not much going on. No EU a XE at times and a few US and then the VK shows up. Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 8:37:38 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf 18102 Listening... . From: Russell Blair Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:30 PM To: Digital Radio Subject: [digitalradio] jt65-hf 18102 VK3XQ on 17m calling CQ jt65-hf Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2986 - Release Date: 07/06/10 14:36:00
Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf 18102
My response to that would not be deemed polite in any company. From: Russell Blair Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:53 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf 18102 Rudy, worked him agn for the 2nd time, yesterday as well, its a short window, been on 17m all day calling CQ and not much going on. No EU a XE at times and a few US and then the VK shows up. Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 8:37:38 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf 18102 Listening... . From: Russell Blair Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:30 PM To: Digital Radio Subject: [digitalradio] jt65-hf 18102 VK3XQ on 17m calling CQ jt65-hf Russ NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2986 - Release Date: 07/06/10 14:36:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2986 - Release Date: 07/06/10 14:36:00 Emoticon48.gif
