[digitalradio] Watch for MMVARI and MMTTY updates
Looks like Mako JE3HHT and his colleagues have been working on some updates to MMVARI and MMTTY. Check the http://mmhamsoft.amateur-radio.ca/ web site , they should be made available in the next day or so. Andy K3UK
[digitalradio] DM780 Status??
Afternoon folks, I am getting back into radio after being away for a couple of years due to a move to a new QTH and a few other things. I got my antenna up this morning and will most likely use an old version of HRD/DM780 for now to get me up and running, I am familiar with the software and it is still installed on my computer from when I was active. Question: I was just over at the DM780 forums and was looking at the posts in the testers group (I am a member of the test group) and there haven't been any new posts over there for a long time. Is DM780 no longer being developed? Is there a better choice for digital mode communication these days? Thanks and 73, ~Dave VA3KAB
[digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000
-- Forwarded message -- From: J. Moen Date: Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:42 AM Subject: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000 To: kenwoodts-2...@yahoogroups.com I've gotten interested in D-Star, and have been running what's called a D-Star Hotspot at my home. This is a small piece of hardware that functions as a gmsk modem and connects to an analog radio's 9600bps Data port. The board is connected to a PC running software that allows the radio to be linked to various worldwide D-Star repeaters and reflectors. I did this since my location does not provide reliable access to a D-Star repeater. I just use a D-Star HT to communicate with my Hotspot, which forwards my voice on to the connected repeater, etc. While my Hotspot is using a spare KW TM-D700A for everyday duty, I've wired up a cable to use it with my TS-2000. For this, I'm interested in adapting the 2000 to be a D-Star-capable radio. There are various ways to do this, and one more way that's soon to be released. Those are listed below. I'm interested so I can do D-Star on 6 and 10 meters. ICOM will soon be releasing their new IC-9100 radio, and with the optional D-Star card, it will do D-Star on 6 and 10 meters as well as VHF/UHF and optional 1.2ghz. Except for the very high price, this DC to Daylight radio could be considered a competitor to the TS-2000. Anyway, I want to be able to make simplex D-Star contacts on 6 and 10 meters, but I don't want to spend an arm and a leg. My Hotspot cost about US $140 (built, the kits are cheaper). To function as a standalone D-Star radio, right now I also need a DV Dongle to handle the conversion of audio to and from the AMBE compressed format. The DV Dongle costs $200. So for $340 I have a D-Star capable HF, VHF and UHF radio. And I'm hoping future developments will bring the price down. If anyone else is able to get on 10 meters with D-Star and would like to try to plan a sked, please contact me directly. I am revamping my antennas, but my current end-fed sloper might do the job now, otherwise my vertical should be up and running in a few weeks. Here are the current ways to adapt an analog radio, including HF, that has a 9600 Data port, to D-Star: 1. FunkAmateur DV-Adapter 2.0 fully hardware solution. Built: $600. Kit with ICOM UT-118 about $500. 2. Mini HotSpot or node adapter board with DVAR Hot Spot software connected to DV Dongle's DVTools software. US $340. This is what I'm doing right now. 3. Under development: new node adapter-type board from Fred van Kempen PA4YBR, fully hardware solution. Price and release date unknown. This is cheaper than option 1 and simpler than option 2. I may switch to this approach when available. 4. D-Star Client soundcard software by Jonathan G4KLX. Finding the correct soundcard or dongle is critical, and the interface (unlike traditional data mode interfaces for PSK31, etc.) must contain no filters. But the price is right: Free if you build your own interface between soundcard and radio. Jonathan may support a gmsk or node adapter interface some time in the future, but for now it is soundcard based. One further note -- For a while, I did some digital voice on 20 meters using the FDMDV program that used the MELP codec. This used a fairly narrow bandwidth, about the same as SSB. But it turned out MELP was encumbered with license restrictions that none of us initially knew about. When we found out, that version died immediately. What I learned was digital voice can be done long range with a skip signal as long as conditions are nearly perfect, with little multipath, phase changes or QSB. But, those conditions are not uncommon if you are patient, so I'm hoping to have some long range D_Star QSOs on 10 meters. The bandwidth is theoretically 6.25 hHz, but in practice it is wider than that, hence in my opinion, it would not be advisable in FCC jurisdictions on 160 through 15m. I think on 10 and 6m it could be fun. But I will not use it during a lively contest. Just too wide at that time. Jim - K6JM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: About the Becker TNCs.... I am confused
At 10:31 AM 9/7/2010, you wrote: There was a set of e-prom up grades was added .. my pk232 is one issue short of the final build .. pactor-2 , may be packtor-3 was in the final prom , Nobody but SCS has P3. I know I had to add a daughter board to mod it to the pk232-mbx .. Same here. Was sent back to AEA for it.
Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000
I have to agree that it would be interesting to experiment with the D-Star modem, but it doesn't seem practical for HF. In addition to gobbling up a fair amount of spectrum, I suspect that it would be difficult to maintain the required SNR with a modem that's 6KHz wide. The narrow-band FDMDV modem worked out well by not only improving sensitivity over WinDRM, but by allowing one to squeeze the signal between the adjacent QRM. The modems quick recover time was a real plus as well - not sure how long it takes for the D-Star modem to re-sync. Tony -K2MO -- Forwarded message -- From: *J. Moen* Date: Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:42 AM Subject: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000 To: kenwoodts-2...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kenwoodts-2...@yahoogroups.com I've gotten interested in D-Star, and have been running what's called a D-Star Hotspot at my home. This is a small piece of hardware that functions as a gmsk modem and connects to an analog radio's 9600bps Data port. The board is connected to a PC running software that allows the radio to be linked to various worldwide D-Star repeaters and reflectors. I did this since my location does not provide reliable access to a D-Star repeater. I just use a D-Star HT to communicate with my Hotspot, which forwards my voice on to the connected repeater, etc. While my Hotspot is using a spare KW TM-D700A for everyday duty, I've wired up a cable to use it with my TS-2000. For this, I'm interested in adapting the 2000 to be a D-Star-capable radio. There are various ways to do this, and one more way that's soon to be released. Those are listed below. I'm interested so I can do D-Star on 6 and 10 meters. ICOM will soon be releasing their new IC-9100 radio, and with the optional D-Star card, it will do D-Star on 6 and 10 meters as well as VHF/UHF and optional 1.2ghz. Except for the very high price, this DC to Daylight radio could be considered a competitor to the TS-2000. Anyway, I want to be able to make simplex D-Star contacts on 6 and 10 meters, but I don't want to spend an arm and a leg. My Hotspot cost about US $140 (built, the kits are cheaper). To function as a standalone D-Star radio, right now I also need a DV Dongle to handle the conversion of audio to and from the AMBE compressed format. The DV Dongle costs $200. So for $340 I have a D-Star capable HF, VHF and UHF radio. And I'm hoping future developments will bring the price down. If anyone else is able to get on 10 meters with D-Star and would like to try to plan a sked, please contact me directly. I am revamping my antennas, but my current end-fed sloper might do the job now, otherwise my vertical should be up and running in a few weeks. Here are the current ways to adapt an analog radio, including HF, that has a 9600 Data port, to D-Star: 1. FunkAmateur DV-Adapter 2.0 fully hardware solution. Built: $600. Kit with ICOM UT-118 about $500. 2. Mini HotSpot or node adapter board with DVAR Hot Spot software connected to DV Dongle's DVTools software. US $340. This is what I'm doing right now. 3. Under development: new node adapter-type board from Fred van Kempen PA4YBR, fully hardware solution. Price and release date unknown. This is cheaper than option 1 and simpler than option 2. I may switch to this approach when available. 4. D-Star Client soundcard software by Jonathan G4KLX. Finding the correct soundcard or dongle is critical, and the interface (unlike traditional data mode interfaces for PSK31, etc.) must contain no filters. But the price is right: Free if you build your own interface between soundcard and radio. Jonathan may support a gmsk or node adapter interface some time in the future, but for now it is soundcard based. One further note -- For a while, I did some digital voice on 20 meters using the FDMDV program that used the MELP codec. This used a fairly narrow bandwidth, about the same as SSB. But it turned out MELP was encumbered with license restrictions that none of us initially knew about. When we found out, that version died immediately. What I learned was digital voice can be done long range with a skip signal as long as conditions are nearly perfect, with little multipath, phase changes or QSB. But, those conditions are not uncommon if you are patient, so I'm hoping to have some long range D_Star QSOs on 10 meters. The bandwidth is theoretically 6.25 hHz, but in practice it is wider than that, hence in my opinion, it would not be advisable in FCC jurisdictions on 160 through 15m. I think on 10 and 6m it could be fun. But I will not use it during a lively contest. Just too wide at that time. Jim - K6JM
Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000
There are people who probably have the answers to the points you make since some have already had DX QSOs using D-Star -- I haven't, so I'm looking to try this out on 10 meters. Mostly I think your prediction will turn out to be correct. I am expecting that only under near-perfect conditions between the two parties will D-Star make it via HF propagation. My experience on VHF is that it's extremely susceptible to multipath. On the other hand, during previous sunspot cycles, I've experienced near-perfect conditions on 10 meters. I definitely would not see the present D-Star for everyday digital voice on HF, though I can see some value in a 6 meter repeater, and some 10 meter activity, with callsign routing, repeater/reflector linking, low speed data, short messages, etc. 10 meters has a lot of real estate, so I would think the wider bandwidth of D-Star will not be un-neighborly except possibly during a busy contest. But then, that's true of a lot of modes on HF during contests. It will be fun to watch David Lowe's Codec2 project evolve and see how narrow a bandwidth he can achieve. For everyday DV on HF, that may be the best path. In the meantime, I'd just like to experiment and learn. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000 I have to agree that it would be interesting to experiment with the D-Star modem, but it doesn't seem practical for HF. In addition to gobbling up a fair amount of spectrum, I suspect that it would be difficult to maintain the required SNR with a modem that's 6KHz wide. The narrow-band FDMDV modem worked out well by not only improving sensitivity over WinDRM, but by allowing one to squeeze the signal between the adjacent QRM. The modems quick recover time was a real plus as well - not sure how long it takes for the D-Star modem to re-sync. Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000
Jim, It would be interesting to see how the D-Star modem performs so please keep us in the loop. From what I gather, the modem for Dave's codec will not be as narrow as the one used for FDMDV. It will still use Peter's FDM modem, but the bandwidth will most likely be closer to 2KHz. Tony -K2MO On 9/7/2010 3:50 PM, J. Moen wrote: There are people who probably have the answers to the points you make since some have already had DX QSOs using D-Star -- I haven't, so I'm looking to try this out on 10 meters. Mostly I think your prediction will turn out to be correct. I am expecting that only under near-perfect conditions between the two parties will D-Star make it via HF propagation. My experience on VHF is that it's extremely susceptible to multipath. On the other hand, during previous sunspot cycles, I've experienced near-perfect conditions on 10 meters. I definitely would not see the present D-Star for everyday digital voice on HF, though I can see some value in a 6 meter repeater, and some 10 meter activity, with callsign routing, repeater/reflector linking, low speed data, short messages, etc. 10 meters has a lot of real estate, so I would think the wider bandwidth of D-Star will not be un-neighborly except possibly during a busy contest. But then, that's true of a lot of modes on HF during contests. It will be fun to watch David Lowe's Codec2 project evolve and see how narrow a bandwidth he can achieve. For everyday DV on HF, that may be the best path. In the meantime, I'd just like to experiment and learn. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - *From:* Tony mailto:d...@optonline.net *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:04 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000 I have to agree that it would be interesting to experiment with the D-Star modem, but it doesn't seem practical for HF. In addition to gobbling up a fair amount of spectrum, I suspect that it would be difficult to maintain the required SNR with a modem that's 6KHz wide. The narrow-band FDMDV modem worked out well by not only improving sensitivity over WinDRM, but by allowing one to squeeze the signal between the adjacent QRM. The modems quick recover time was a real plus as well - not sure how long it takes for the D-Star modem to re-sync. Tony -K2MO
[digitalradio] Fldigi Help - FT897D
All, Does anyone have the RigCat XMLS file for the FT897D? I ran into a problem trying to download the file from the Fldigi site. I can view the file in text form when I click on the link, but it doesn't trigger a download. Fldigi XMLS files http://www.w1hkj.com/xmls/yaesu/ Any suggestions? Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Airlink Express v.2.1.5.378 Released (now with ARQ and PSReporter support)
Good improvments. Thanks Andy K3UK On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:01 PM, whynotbecreative kg4...@amsat.org wrote: Hi there, I have released a new version of Airlink Express (v.2.1.5.378) which includes the following enhancements: - PSKReporter (Automatic Propagation Reporter) - ARQ (Automatic Repeat Request); sending and receiving of text and binary files - enhanced support for USB based interfaces and audio devices - Arrow key tuning - Selection of pins for FSK keying - Option to use hardware (UART) timing of FSK for interfaces like the Navigator The latest version can be downloaded at http://www.airlinkexpress.org 73, --Alex KR1ST http://www.kr1st.com http://www.airlinkexpress.org
[digitalradio] Re: Airlink Express v.2.1.5.378 Released (now with ARQ and PSReporter support)
Hi Howard, Yes, ARQ is for file transfer only and it works only between two Airlink Express stations. It's an experimental feature with no intended purpose besides the experiment itself. The protocol is not propriety and is fully explained in the help file with references to original documentation. 73, --Alex KR1ST --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, W6IDS w6...@... wrote: Hi Alex, The ARQ would be for FILE transfers only and would have to be Airlink - Airlink normally, in any event, yes? Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79NV - Original Message - From: whynotbecreative kg4...@... To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Airlink Express v.2.1.5.378 Released (now with ARQ and PSReporter support) Hi there, I have released a new version of Airlink Express (v.2.1.5.378) which includes the following enhancements: - PSKReporter (Automatic Propagation Reporter) - ARQ (Automatic Repeat Request); sending and receiving of text and binary files - enhanced support for USB based interfaces and audio devices - Arrow key tuning - Selection of pins for FSK keying - Option to use hardware (UART) timing of FSK for interfaces like the Navigator The latest version can be downloaded at http://www.airlinkexpress.org 73, --Alex KR1ST http://www.kr1st.com http://www.airlinkexpress.org
[digitalradio] New Version of Mixw released
A new version of Mixw has been released , find it at http://mysite.verizon.net/jaffejim/index.htm Andy K3UK
[digitalradio] Re: HF packet still being used ???
But my 2nd SCS TNC with pactor 3 is still up on the selling block. Hmm. How much? You may email direct if you don't want to discuss price here. 73 de Dave, NF2G
[digitalradio] MixW2.20 first reaction
Hmmm, NO RS ID? AT least I have not found it, very disappointing. Olivia modes taken out altogether, or do you need to go through some laborious adding of special DLLs to get Olivia like we used to for Contestia) ? Opps, just found them, under extra modes. yes, you do have to download the DLLs, what an odd extra step. At least you don't have to look all over the internet, easy to download them know. It seems MFSK is limited to MFSK 16 . PSK appears limited to PSK31, 63, and 125. I thought Mixw used to also support PSK 250 and 500. Good additional Packet support. Hell is there, as is SSTV, Throb. Pactor 1, MT63, FAX, and RTTY. No THOR , DominoEx, JT65A, ALE 141 or ALE 400. No report to PSK Reporter feature No multi channel decode feature that I could find. Looks like to enhancements to the Dx Cluster page, but still mostly web clusters. There is a basic Telnet option as in past versions. The interface detection feature is an intriguing idea but I suspect it only detects interfaces MixW have business partnerships with. It said it could not detect any interfaces at my station despite a Microkeyer hooked up. Waterfall appears capable of displaying up to 8 kHz of spectrum (Not sure that is new, but it is nice) Still looks very nice , easy to set up, got 95% of modes people are most likely to use , or ever need. Andy K3UK Andy On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:14 AM, g3vfp g3...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Hi I have added the file to my software download page if anyone is having problems getting it elsewhere. http://www.g3vfp.org/download.html Located in the multimode section. Cheers Dave
Re: [digitalradio] Re: HF packet still being used ???
Sorry Dave it's gone. At 08:43 AM 9/5/2010, you wrote: But my 2nd SCS TNC with pactor 3 is still up on the selling block. Hmm. How much? You may email direct if you don't want to discuss price here. 73 de Dave, NF2G
[digitalradio] 2nd SCS TNC is gone.
I found a home for it. Tnx all.
Re: [digitalradio] MixW2.20 first reaction
A true Multi-Mode Program for the serious Digital Communications Amateur. Well, well.. la5vna Steinar On 05.09.2010 16:07, Andy obrien wrote: Hmmm, NO RS ID? AT least I have not found it, very disappointing. Olivia modes taken out altogether, or do you need to go through some laborious adding of special DLLs to get Olivia like we used to for Contestia) ? Opps, just found them, under extra modes. yes, you do have to download the DLLs, what an odd extra step. At least you don't have to look all over the internet, easy to download them know. It seems MFSK is limited to MFSK 16 . PSK appears limited to PSK31, 63, and 125. I thought Mixw used to also support PSK 250 and 500. Good additional Packet support. Hell is there, as is SSTV, Throb. Pactor 1, MT63, FAX, and RTTY. No THOR , DominoEx, JT65A, ALE 141 or ALE 400. No report to PSK Reporter feature No multi channel decode feature that I could find. Looks like to enhancements to the Dx Cluster page, but still mostly web clusters. There is a basic Telnet option as in past versions. The interface detection feature is an intriguing idea but I suspect it only detects interfaces MixW have business partnerships with. It said it could not detect any interfaces at my station despite a Microkeyer hooked up. Waterfall appears capable of displaying up to 8 kHz of spectrum (Not sure that is new, but it is nice) Still looks very nice , easy to set up, got 95% of modes people are most likely to use , or ever need. Andy K3UK Andy On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:14 AM, g3vfp g3...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Hi I have added the file to my software download page if anyone is having problems getting it elsewhere. http://www.g3vfp.org/download.html Located in the multimode section. Cheers Dave
Re: [digitalradio] New Version of Mixw released
On 9/5/2010 9:29 AM, obrienaj wrote: A new version of Mixw has been released , find it at http://mysite.verizon.net/jaffejim/index.htm Andy K3UK Andy, I was hoping to see RSID : ( Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] MixW2.20 first reaction
On 9/5/2010 10:07 AM, Andy obrien wrote: PSK appears limited to PSK31, 63, and 125. I thought Mixw used to also support PSK 250 and 500. Andy, It seems you can run the faster PSK modes with Mixw - click MODES MODE SETTINGS and type 125, 250 or 500 in the box next to BAUD RATE. Tony -K2MO
[digitalradio] Re: MixW2.20 first reaction
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: Still looks very nice , easy to set up, got 95% of modes people are most likely to use , or ever need. But it costs $50, and does less than Fldigi, which is free. Having read your summary, I haven't even bothered to download it. I do own a registration for MixW but I haven't used it for a couple of years. Tried it on packet a few weeks ago but TrueTTY is much better in that respect. Pity Fldigi doesn't do packet, it would probably blow the socks off everything else. Once upon a time I'd gladly have paid another $50 for a MixW 3. Not any more. Opportunity lost, though perhaps DM780 killed off the market for MixW anyway. Julian, G4ILO
[digitalradio] EPC logo
For the design page for EPC club station I am need large size (about 500x500pix or large) EPC logo. Any color - I will change colors for background of qrzcom page If possible please forward this message to EPC newsletter -- Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD web design in www.qrz.com Sample and download books on http://www.qrz.com/db/Ua6jd http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] QRSS Stitcher and QRSS Stacker
Hi all, If you are playing with QRSS, I think you will find this project interesting. I certainly do. http://www.swharden.com/blog/ LA5VNA Steinar
Re: [digitalradio] About the Becker TNCs.... I am confused
Sorry for the confusion. I had 2 TNC's up for sale. ONE of each. I mention the wrong one here.. Again sorry. John, W0JAB At 02:04 PM 9/5/2010, you wrote: John Becker wrote: Sorry Dan your about one mouse click to late. I already gave it away to a good home. But my 2nd SCS TNC with pactor 3 is still up on the selling block. No longer need it since I pulled all the stuff out of the pick up truck. (see QRZ dot com profile photo) John, W0JAB At 10:57 AM 9/4/2010, you wrote: If no one wants your PK-232, I would like to play with it. Would pay shipping. Dan WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight
On 9/5/2010 7:29 PM, Rudy Benner wrote: will look for you. ve3bdr Thanks Rudy. Tony -K2MO *From:* Tony mailto:d...@optonline.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:24 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight [1 Attachment] All, I'll be running portable from the back yard this evening beginning at 2300z. Please look for me on 14076 / JT65 mode. Weather is perfect so I'll be on for a few hours. The portable station (QRP / 3 foot diameter loop) is working well. Managed to work a few Europeans today on 20 meter CW. See attached. Tony -K2MO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00
Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight
14076 -700 odd now From: Tony Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:53 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight On 9/5/2010 7:29 PM, Rudy Benner wrote: will look for you. ve3bdr Thanks Rudy. Tony -K2MO From: Tony Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:24 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight [1 Attachment] All, I'll be running portable from the back yard this evening beginning at 2300z. Please look for me on 14076 / JT65 mode. Weather is perfect so I'll be on for a few hours. The portable station (QRP / 3 foot diameter loop) is working well. Managed to work a few Europeans today on 20 meter CW. See attached. Tony -K2MO -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00
Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight
Hamspots shows you on the same frequency as me, but I am not hearing you. From: Rudy Benner Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 8:17 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight 14076 -700 odd now From: Tony Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:53 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight On 9/5/2010 7:29 PM, Rudy Benner wrote: will look for you. ve3bdr Thanks Rudy. Tony -K2MO From: Tony Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:24 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight [1 Attachment] All, I'll be running portable from the back yard this evening beginning at 2300z. Please look for me on 14076 / JT65 mode. Weather is perfect so I'll be on for a few hours. The portable station (QRP / 3 foot diameter loop) is working well. Managed to work a few Europeans today on 20 meter CW. See attached. Tony -K2MO -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00
Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight
Rudy, Thanks for trying. Tony -K2MO On 9/5/2010 8:29 PM, Rudy Benner wrote: Hamspots shows you on the same frequency as me, but I am not hearing you. *From:* Rudy Benner mailto:ben...@vianet.ca *Sent:* Sunday, September 05, 2010 8:17 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight 14076 -700 odd now *From:* Tony mailto:d...@optonline.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:53 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight On 9/5/2010 7:29 PM, Rudy Benner wrote: will look for you. ve3bdr Thanks Rudy. Tony -K2MO *From:* Tony mailto:d...@optonline.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:24 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight [1 Attachment] All, I'll be running portable from the back yard this evening beginning at 2300z. Please look for me on 14076 / JT65 mode. Weather is perfect so I'll be on for a few hours. The portable station (QRP / 3 foot diameter loop) is working well. Managed to work a few Europeans today on 20 meter CW. See attached. Tony -K2MO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00
Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight
All, Moved over to PSK31 - 14070.0 + 1600Hz (plus or minus QRM). Tony -K2MO
[digitalradio] Re: Setting up IC7000 for digital modes ??????????
Yeah, if you key through the data port you don't have this problem. All the Microham products (Digikeyer, USBIII, etc.) have this issue. However they are so good in every other way it's easy to overlook it. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: Thanks, I will disconnect the mic and see how that goes. Using the Digikeyer with it here. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 7:37 PM, aa777888athotmaildotcom aa777...@... wrote: Andy, I have one. I also use a similar Microham interface, the USB III. There is absolutely nothing special about setting it up. Put it in USB mode and go. However the Microham products rely on the ACC connector and the downside to this is that when the radio is keyed via that connector the microphone input is live. I have complained to them about that to no avail. Disconnect the microphone to eliminate any background noise from the shack. 73 Scott --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3ukandy@ wrote: A friend dropped off his IC-7000, Digikeyer, and notebook for me to configure for digital modes. I have the various digital modes software configured but when I xmit and monitor on the other radio in the shack, the tones sound very odd and the receiving waterfall shows 3Khz wide signal rather than a narrow PSK31 signal. The manual does not have a section for setting up on the digital modes. Can someone save me on the learning curve and tell me how the IC-7000 is set for digital mode transmissions ? Any K3UK
[digitalradio] HF packet still being used ???
I have been listening to the HF bands for packet over the last few days not hearing any. Is it still in us? I have 2 PK-232's not in use for sometime now and will try to sell, give away or donate to the trash system. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] HF packet still being used ???
If no one wants your PK-232, I would like to play with it. Would pay shipping. Dan WD5CND --- On Sat, 9/4/10, John Becker w0...@big-river.net wrote: From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net Subject: [digitalradio] HF packet still being used ??? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 10:11 AM I have been listening to the HF bands for packet over the last few days not hearing any. Is it still in us? I have 2 PK-232's not in use for sometime now and will try to sell, give away or donate to the trash system. John, W0JAB
[digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18 [1 Attachment]
There are all who can help me because? the screen panoramic is black,, tnx Francesco YV4GJN MULTIPSK V4.18
[digitalradio] Re: HF packet still being used ???
Hi John. Yes! HF packet is still very much in use, at least in the USA and Canada. We call ourselves Network 105 and we had a recent article in QST magazine. Our frequency is 14103.2 mark, 14103.4 space. To use a PK-232 set the following parameters: HBAUD: 300 PACLEN: 60 MAXFRAME: 1 FRACK: 5 DWAIT: 0 SLOTTIME: 10 PERSIST: 63 PPERSIST: ON VHF: OFF WIDE: OFF We use the network for ragchewing and personal mailboxes mainly. We have approximately 35 nodes and you are welcome to check out our yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/network105/ 73 Sholto K7TMG --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker w0...@... wrote: I have been listening to the HF bands for packet over the last few days not hearing any. Is it still in us? I have 2 PK-232's not in use for sometime now and will try to sell, give away or donate to the trash system. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] HF packet still being used ???
Sorry Dan your about one mouse click to late. I already gave it away to a good home. But my 2nd SCS TNC with pactor 3 is still up on the selling block. No longer need it since I pulled all the stuff out of the pick up truck. (see QRZ dot com profile photo) John, W0JAB At 10:57 AM 9/4/2010, you wrote: If no one wants your PK-232, I would like to play with it. Would pay shipping. Dan WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] HF packet still being used ???
Thank you John --- On Sat, 9/4/10, John Becker w0...@big-river.net wrote: From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] HF packet still being used ??? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 1:18 PM Sorry Dan your about one mouse click to late. I already gave it away to a good home. But my 2nd SCS TNC with pactor 3 is still up on the selling block. No longer need it since I pulled all the stuff out of the pick up truck. (see QRZ dot com profile photo) John, W0JAB At 10:57 AM 9/4/2010, you wrote: If no one wants your PK-232, I would like to play with it. Would pay shipping. Dan WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18
Hello Francesco, This is a small bug. To fix it, click on the Fonts button on the bottom of the RX/TX screen. Configure the colors as you want. Note: there is a Multipsk Yahoo group for this type of question. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Francesco Piccone To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18 [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Francesco Piccone included below] There are all who can help me because? the screen panoramic is black,, tnx Francesco YV4GJN MULTIPSK V4.18 Attachment(s) from Francesco Piccone 1 of 1 Photo(s) Multipsk.JPG
RE: [digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18 [1 Attachment]
TNX Patrick J i love MULTIPSK,,, 73 Francesco YV4GJN De: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Patrick Lindecker Enviado el: sábado, 04 de septiembre de 2010 02:50 p.m. Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18 Hello Francesco, This is a small bug. To fix it, click on the Fonts button on the bottom of the RX/TX screen. Configure the colors as you want. Note: there is a Multipsk Yahoo group for this type of question. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Francesco Piccone mailto:fpicc...@cantv.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18 [1 Attachment] There are all who can help me because? the screen panoramic is black,, tnx Francesco YV4GJN MULTIPSK V4.18
[digitalradio] Setting up IC7000 for digital modes ??????????
A friend dropped off his IC-7000, Digikeyer, and notebook for me to configure for digital modes. I have the various digital modes software configured but when I xmit and monitor on the other radio in the shack, the tones sound very odd and the receiving waterfall shows 3Khz wide signal rather than a narrow PSK31 signal. The manual does not have a section for setting up on the digital modes. Can someone save me on the learning curve and tell me how the IC-7000 is set for digital mode transmissions ? Any K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Setting up IC7000 for digital modes ??????????
Thanks, I will disconnect the mic and see how that goes. Using the Digikeyer with it here. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 7:37 PM, aa777888athotmaildotcom aa777...@hotmail.com wrote: Andy, I have one. I also use a similar Microham interface, the USB III. There is absolutely nothing special about setting it up. Put it in USB mode and go. However the Microham products rely on the ACC connector and the downside to this is that when the radio is keyed via that connector the microphone input is live. I have complained to them about that to no avail. Disconnect the microphone to eliminate any background noise from the shack. 73 Scott --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: A friend dropped off his IC-7000, Digikeyer, and notebook for me to configure for digital modes. I have the various digital modes software configured but when I xmit and monitor on the other radio in the shack, the tones sound very odd and the receiving waterfall shows 3Khz wide signal rather than a narrow PSK31 signal. The manual does not have a section for setting up on the digital modes. Can someone save me on the learning curve and tell me how the IC-7000 is set for digital mode transmissions ? Any K3UK
[digitalradio] Re : ROS is bigger and better
That's true Skip, it is historical, its a leftover. How many people have we heard in the last 10 years in Europe, with such a vitally important message, that when conditions are too poor to continue to use telephony they conclude by using Morse code ? Er one maybe ? Mel G0GQK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS is back bigger and better !!!
Skip You bring up very good points. I for one would really would like to see a world wide band plan of CW - PHONE as well as DIGITAL all in the same part of the band. I just have got feed up with trying to have a digital QSO on 40 while on the same freq some VE is calling CQ on phone. At some point someone has got to give. Still thinking about sellingEVERYTHING cheap. John, W0JAB
[digitalradio] Re: Re : ROS is bigger and better
Well I have to admit I have been guilty of ending a Phone contact in CW if the contact fell below the noise... just to be polite and say goodbye. We Canadians are a polite bunch hihi. That was about 20 years ago or more though. It was actually quite common in Canada to do just that... but I haven't heard it done in years. Skip has an interesting perspective on that... and I appreciate his input on it. Live and learn. Paul VE9NC --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, raf3151019 gzero...@... wrote: That's true Skip, it is historical, its a leftover. How many people have we heard in the last 10 years in Europe, with such a vitally important message, that when conditions are too poor to continue to use telephony they conclude by using Morse code ? Er one maybe ? Mel G0GQK
[digitalradio] Re: ROS is back bigger and better !!!
Well according to the official RAC bandplan: 40M - bandwidth 6 kHz 7.000 7.035 CW 7.035 7.050 Digital 7.040 7.050 Intnl packet 7.050 7.100 SSB 7.100 7.120 Packet R# 2 7.120 7.150 CW 7.150 7.300 SSB + So that's where the problem lies. It would be nice to have co-existing band plans. It was something that Canada and the USA cooperated on for a number of years but I don't know if they bother talking to each other now. They have a hard enough time talking to their own operators. So according to the official RAC band plan in Canada I am not supposed to operate digital on 7.070. That's where common sense comes into play. Anyway sorry that a Canadian station did that to you. I hope it wasn't intentional. Paul VE9NC --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker w0...@... wrote: Skip You bring up very good points. I for one would really would like to see a world wide band plan of CW - PHONE as well as DIGITAL all in the same part of the band. I just have got feed up with trying to have a digital QSO on 40 while on the same freq some VE is calling CQ on phone. At some point someone has got to give. Still thinking about sellingEVERYTHING cheap. John, W0JAB
[digitalradio] Net14 Report for August 2010
Hi Guys The August 2010 Net14 APRS Report has been uploaded to the Net14 Net28 News page of www.net14.org.uk . A number of Net14 transatlantic contacts in August and a report of an APRS/GMSK-250 contact between the USA and Australia. Not on the Net14 20m frequency but on 30m in this instance. But significant for the trials of the mode we are running on Net14 and Net28. Details of the setup of these trials are on the Net14 Net28 + GMSK page of the website. 73 Jim, G0JXN/MB7UXN
[digitalradio] Re: ROS is back bigger and better !!!
And the same common sense attitude which occurs in Canada is also applied to the use of frequencies in the UK. There are sections of the bands which are agreed internationally and everybody accepts it. Although it rarely happens I don't agree with the ruling that operators of Morse code are permitted to transmit where they please anywhere on any band. Why ? Why should such a ruling still exist, for what purpose, other than to irritate those using telephony ? G0GQK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS is back bigger and better !!!
On 9/1/2010 5:19 PM, raf3151019 wrote: And the same common sense attitude which occurs in Canada is also applied to the use of frequencies in the UK. There are sections of the bands which are agreed internationally and everybody accepts it. Although it rarely happens I don't agree with the ruling that operators of Morse code are permitted to transmit where they please anywhere on any band. Why ? Why should such a ruling still exist, for what purpose, other than to irritate those using telephony ? G0GQK Mel, I suspect the reason is mostly historical, and because at one time, when telephone just failed to communicate, and everyone understood Morse, CW could get through. In fact, for VHF and UHF weak-signal operation today, it is very common practice to switch between phone and CW when signals are too weak to be understood by phone. I don't think the ruling continues to exist in order to irritate phone operators... Assuming that a phone operator can still decode Morse by ear, it is possible to cross-communicate with phone and CW, but this is not possible with modern digital modes, like PSK31 and Pactor to telephony (PSK31 operators can understand phone, but the reverse is not true), so there is no way to insure frequency sharing without legal separation between phone and digital. F6CTE now has invented RSID, which helps digital modes to cross-communicate with each other, and therefore negotiate the use of a frequency, by making it easy to switch to another's mode automatically. However, not everyone uses this capability yet. Of course, the importance of cross-communication is being able to ask if a frequency is busy, or ask someone to move if it is. 73, Skip KH6TY
Re[4]: [digitalradio] New
Hello, Dan. Done - please check http://www.qrz.com/db/WD5CND We add APRS logo when you will use it You wrote : Never had a page, how does it work and how will I get there? Like to try. Dan --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Vlad_UA6JD jt...@mail-on.us wrote: From: Vlad_UA6JD jt...@mail-on.us Subject: Re[2]: [digitalradio] New To: Dan Walker digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 10:57 PM Hello, Dan. If you like samples - let me know and I will design qrzcom page for you with APRS clickable logo in. You wrote : Thank You, Dan --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Vlad_UA6JD jt...@mail-on.us wrote: From: Vlad_UA6JD jt...@mail-on.us Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New To: Dan digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 10:01 PM Just my two cents worth.. About QRV APRS . I think nobody use it now. It possible to add APRS logo to your qrzcom page and when you click on it show your position You can see sample of use it in the few pages now, for example click to: http://www.qrz.com/db/k8waw or http://www.qrz.com/db/do3nn You wrote : I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD web design in www.qrz.com Sample and download books on http://www.qrz.com/db/Ua6jd Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD web design in www.qrz.com Sample and download books on http://www.qrz.com/db/Ua6jd Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD web design in www.qrz.com Sample and download books on http://www.qrz.com/db/Ua6jd
[digitalradio] Hurricane related frequencies
Courtesy Bill AA6KC GOVERNMENT, NGO MILITARY 02670.0 USB USCG wx Cape Hatteras NC (0133 1303) 02670.0 USB USCG wx Fort Macon NC (0103 1233) 02670.0 USB USCG wx Eastern Shore VA (0233 1403) 02670.0 USB USCG wx Hampton Roads VA (0203 1333) 02670.0 USB USCG wx San Francisco (0203 1403) 02670.0 USB USCG wx Los Angeles/Long Beach CA (1303 2103) 02670.0 USB USCG wx Honolulu (0903 2103) 02670.0 USB USCG wx Marianas Section Guam (0705 2205) 02802.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-91) ** 03171.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-92) ** 03216.0 USB SHARES Regional Coordination Network (pri night) 03361.0 USB SHARES Regional Coordination Network (altn night) 04426.0 USB USCG wx NMN Portsmouth (0330 0500 0930) 04426.0 USB USCG wx NMC San Francisco (0430 1030) 04513.0 USB SHARES Regional Coordination Network (altn night) 04724.0 USB GHFS 05136.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-93) ** 05141.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-94) ** 05211.0 USB FEMA 05901.0 USB SHARES National Coordination Network (altn night) 06501.0 USB USCG wx NMN Portsmouth (0330 0500 0930 1130 1600 2200 2330) 06501.0 USB USCG wx NMO Honolulu (0600 1200) 06501.0 USB USCG wx Marianas Section Guam (0930 1530) 06712.0 USB USAF GHFS SAR 06739.0 USB GHFS 06859.5 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-95) ** 07507.0 USB USN/USCG hurricane net (pri) 07508.5 USB FAA Caribbean hurricane net 07550.5 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-96 - primary) ** 07632.0 USB SHARES National Coordination Network (pri night) 07698.5 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-97) ** 08764.0 USB USCG wx NMN Portsmouth (0330 0500 0930 1130 1600 1730 2200 2330) 08764.0 USB USCG wx NMC San Francisco (0430 1030 1630 2230) 08764.0 USB USCG wx NMO Honolulu ( 0600 1200 1800) 08992.0 USB GHFS 09064.0 USB SHARES National Coordination Network (altn night) 09380.0 USB USN/USCG hurricane net (sec) 10493.0 USB FEMA 11175.0 USB GHFS 13089.0 USB USCG wx NMN Portsmouth (1130 1600 1730 2200 2330) 13089.0 USB USCG wx NMC San Francisco (0430 1030 1630 2230) 13089.0 USB USCG wx NMO Honolulu ( 1800) 13089.0 USB USCG wx Marianas Section Guam (0300 2130) 13200.0 USB GHFS 14396.5 USB SHARES National Coordination Network (pri day) 14455.0 USB SHARES National Coordination Network (altn day) 15016.0 USB GHFS 17314.0 USB USCG wx from NMN Portsmouth (1730) 17314.0 USB USCG wx from NMC San Francisco (1630 2230) ** Type-accepted equipment and an issued US FCC license are required to transmit on Red Cross frequencies AMATEUR HIGH-FREQUENCY EMERGENCY HURRICANE NETS 01984.0 LSB Virgin Islands (VI, Puerto Rico, Lesser Antilles) 03710.0 LSB Puerto Rico 03808.0 LSB Caribbean Wx (1030) 03815.0 LSB Antigua/Antilles Emergency and Weather 03815.0 LSB Interisland (continuous watch) 03818.0 LSB Antigua/Antilles 03845.0 LSB Gulf Coast West Hurricane 03862.5 LSB Mississippi Section Traffic 03865.0 LSB West Virginia Emergency 03872.5 LSB Mercury Amateur Radio Assoc (MARA) ad hoc hurricane info net 03873.0 LSB West Gulf ARES Emergency (night) 03873.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane 03873.0 LSB Louisiana ARES Emergency (night) 03873.0 LSB Mississippi ARES Emergency 03905.0 LSB Pacific ARES (Hawaii) 03905.0 LSB Delaware Emergency 03907.0 LSB Carolina Coast Emergency 03910.0 LSB Central Texas Emergency 03910.0 LSB Mississippi ARES 03910.0 LSB Louisiana Traffic 03910.0 LSB Virginia Emergency, Alpha (ARES/RACES) 03913.0 LSB New York State Emergency 03915.0 LSB South Carolina SSB NTS 03915.0 LSB Massachusetts/Rhode Island Emergency 03917.0 LSB Eastern Pennsylvania Emergency 03920.0 LSB Maryland Emergency 03923.0 LSB Mississippi ARES 03923.0 LSB North Carolina ARES Emergency (Tarheel) 03925.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane 03925.0 LSB New York State Emergency 03925.0 LSB Louisiana Emergency (altn) 03925.0 LSB Southwest Traffic (altn) 03927.0 LSB North Carolina ARES (health welfare) 03935.0 LSB Belize 03935.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane 03935.0 LSB Louisiana ARES (health welfare) 03935.0 LSB Texas ARES (health welfare) 03935.0 LSB Mississippi ARES (health welfare) 03935.0 LSB Alabama Emergency 03937.0 LSB Western Massachusetts ARES 03940.0 LSB Southern Florida Emergency 03943.0 LSB New Hampshire ARES Emergency (night) 03944.0 LSB West Gulf Emergency 03947.0 LSB Virginia Emergency, Bravo (health welfare) 03950.0 LSB Hurricane Watch (Amateur-to-National Hurricane Center) (altn) 03950.0 LSB Northern Florida Emergency 03955.0 LSB South Texas Emergency 03960.0 LSB North East Coast Hurricane 03965.0 LSB Alabama Emergency (altn) 03965.0 LSB Connecticut Emergency 03967.0 LSB Gulf Coast (outgoing traffic) 03970.0 LSB New Jersey ARES 03975.0 LSB Georgia ARES 03975.0 LSB Texas RACES (altn) 03980.0 LSB Southeast Virginia ARES 03987.5 LSB Arkansas ARES Emergency (night) 03987.5 LSB Mexican National 03990.5
[digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
I disagree with the statement that in a regulation by bandwidth that there is no phone band. Yes there is. In Canada we have bandwidth only restrictions. I would no sooner transmit Pactor in the phone band than transmit SSB in the CW band. Why? Its because commonsense prevails most of the time and we adhere to a voluntary band plan which is laid out by Radio Amateurs of Canada. If Canadian operators, or any country in the world for that matter, just arbitrarily decided they they would no longer adhere to some internationally recognized band plan just think how fast they would be jumped upon by the rest of the amateur community. Even with band restrictions only laws you have to have agreed upon mode restrictions on certain portions of the bands, because otherwise you'd have anarchy. It works in Canada and other places around the world because most of the amateur operators want to work cooperatively with the rest of the planet. And one more thing, for which I will probably loose my Kanuckistan passport for saying... if we didn't have the FCC regulating the US amateur community then we'd probably have huge problems around the world trying to adhere to gentlemanly band plans because there are a lot of unreasonable people out there, some of which are licensed... Paul VE9NC --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, k4cjx k4...@... wrote: Amazing that one thinks that 1 percent can cause any type of difference, anywhere, especially on the Phone bands. Regulation by bandwidth and not by mode seems to be working everywhere that it is allowed. under a bandwidth regulatory environment, there is no phone band. BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future.
[digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
Listening this morning (Monday) in the UK on 3633 kHz at around 0300 UTC, I heard a strange weebly-warbly digital signal that continued for at least 15 minutes without a break (then it sent me to sleep). The striking characteristic of the signal was that the data rate was very low (a few bits per second?), and the transition between the tones wasn't sharp -- it seemed as if each tone glided gracefully up/down to the next. At first I thought it was ROS, but I haven't heard ROS like this before. Any ideas on provenance? -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
Re: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
IT WORKED !! This is part of a sinister plot to take over the world. First it puts you to sleep ... z... then I take over. BEWARE !! I assume you were on LSB? Could have been WISP on 3.5926 USB which puts the carrier on 35941 +/- a couple hundred kc. It almost sounds like a steady tone, you have to listen carefully to detect that it is not. It would also have been JT-65 on 3.576 USB, +/- a few hundred kcs. Lots of activity on JT-65 around 14.076 USB. All data modes use USB. JT-65 and WISP sound very different from each other. Time to adjust your (foil) hat. ve3bdr From: Ian Wade G3NRW Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:51 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m? Listening this morning (Monday) in the UK on 3633 kHz at around 0300 UTC, I heard a strange weebly-warbly digital signal that continued for at least 15 minutes without a break (then it sent me to sleep). The striking characteristic of the signal was that the data rate was very low (a few bits per second?), and the transition between the tones wasn't sharp -- it seemed as if each tone glided gracefully up/down to the next. At first I thought it was ROS, but I haven't heard ROS like this before. Any ideas on provenance? -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
Re: [digitalradio] Re: A shot of my WSPR screen...
I got one decoded signal, 10316 -17 -1.1 10.140158 0 VE7THZ DN09 30. The rest of the night, nothing. Abdy 2010/8/30 Peter Frenning pe...@frenning.dk søn, 29 08 2010 kl. 22:45 -0400, skrev Andy obrien: Interesting, I get the same thing. It has been months since I tried WSPR. I checked my old guide http://www.frenning.dk/OZ1PIF_HOMEPAGE/Whisper_Guide.html Followed my own instructions and get NO decode. Will play around some more On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Robert L. Tucker rltuc...@aol.com wrote: ...showing spots but no decodes. BTW, I went through the steps to upload this image to the Photos section of the website, but it doesn't show up... just a little blue box with a ? inside. Robert K5TD Robert and Andy I don't really understand what your problem(s) are. For me, and hundreds of other users it just works, as witnessed by this screen shot (taken from my linux Ubuntu to boot) And the reporting system works just as smoothly these days as witnessed by this excerpt from wsprnet.org: *Spot Database* Specify query parameters http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spotquery 50 spots: *Timestamp* *Call* *MHz* *SNR* *Drift* *Grid* *Pwr* *Reporter* * RGrid* *km* *az*2010-08-30 08:48PA3GFE10.140133-200 JO21rk0.1OZ1PIFJO65an63241 2010-08-30 08:48 DM1FS 10.140169 -4 0 JN39wu 5 OZ1PIF JO65an 694 222010-08-30 08:48 G3RIK 10.140224 -3 0 IO83wp 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 935 71 2010-08-30 08:48 F6BIA 10.140252 0 0 JN18dq 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 1012 372010-08-30 08:48 G3RIK 10.140281 -23 0 IO83wp 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 935 712010-08-30 08:46 DH3JO 10.140188 -19 -1 JO30lw 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 615 312010-08-30 08:46 F5KIS 10.140226 +2 0 JN23qi 10 OZ1PIF JO65an 1439 172010-08-30 08:46 DL4RU 10.140286 -14 0 JN69cr 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 649 3592010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140264 -20 1 JO65an 0.5 MW0VVO IO71mt 1191 2572010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140238 -16 0 JO65an 0.5 G8SQH IO81tx 1025 2532010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140162 -23 0 JO65an 0.5 G4FUI IO84pp 942 2702010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140243 -23 0 JO65an 0.5 DL6MFL JN58ta 839 1822010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140259 -19 0 JO65an 0.5 PA1GSJ JO22da 643 2352010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140250 -18 0 JO65an 0.5 DL1MMK JN58sd 825 1832010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140258 -2 0 JO65an 0.5 F6BIA JN18dq 1012 2252010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140248 -17 0 JO65an 0.5 DL4RU JN69cr 649 1792010-08-30 08:42 M0PPP 10.140241 -19 0 IO93gm 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 898 702010-08-30 08:40 F1EXL 10.140130 -5 0 IN98qh 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 1182 422010-08-30 08:40 DM1FS 10.140168 +2 1 JN39wu 5 OZ1PIF JO65an 694 222010-08-30 08:40 F6BIA 10.140252 -9 0 JN18dq 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 1012 372010-08-30 08:38 PA3GFE 10.140133 -4 0 JO21rk 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 632 412010-08-30 08:38 G3RIK 10.140224 -8 0 IO83wp 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 935 712010-08-30 08:36 F2WA 10.140199 +7 1 JN38rm 10 OZ1PIF JO65an 843 202010-08-30 08:34 OZ1PIF 10.140238 -19 0 JO65an 0.5 G8SQH IO81tx 1025 2532010-08-30 08:34 OZ1PIF 10.140258 -7 0 JO65an 0.5 F6BIA JN18dq 1012 225 2010-08-30 08:34 OZ1PIF 10.140279 -7 0 JO65an 0.5 F2WA JN38rm 843 2042010-08-30 08:32 F6BIA 10.140253 +2 0 JN18dq 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 1012 372010-08-30 08:30 DH3JO 10.140189 -15 -1 JO30lw 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 615 312010-08-30 08:30 HB9LFT 10.140198 -18 0 JN47cl 5 OZ1PIF JO65an 937 152010-08-30 08:30 DL6NL 10.140216 -8 0 JO50cb 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 624 11 Vy 73 de OZ1PIF/5Q2M, Peter * ** Genius is one per cent inspiration, ** ** and ninety-nine per cent** ** perspiration. ** ** -- Thomas A. Edison ** * email: peter(no-spam filler)@frenning.dk filler...@frenning.dkhttp://www.frenning.dk/oz1pif.htm Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark *
[digitalradio] Re: A shot of my WSPR screen...
Got 'em rolling in now 1042 -23 -1.1 10.140156 0 W3HH EL89 30 1052 -24 -0.6 10.140156 0 W3HH EL89 30 1100 -23 -0.4 10.140156 0 W3HH EL89 30 1100 -18 -0.3 10.140178 0 JQ1HDR QM05 37 1106 -20 0.1 10.140189 0 7M1QMY PM95 40 1108 -24 -0.5 10.140156 0 W3HH EL89 30 1108 -16 -0.5 10.140178 0 JQ1HDR QM05 37 1110 -27 -0.5 10.140142 1 W6PDD DM04 37 Any luck Robert ? On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: I got a report 0316 -17 -1.1 10.140158 0 VE7THZ DN09 30 10386 was the receive dial frequency that the software was tuned to
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New
Thanks Jeff, that helps a lot. Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 9:51 PM Dan, The TH-F6A DOES NOT have a modem in it. It can be used with an external TNC (like a Kantronics KPC-3+, Open-Tracker, TNC-X, etc.). Quite a few of the TH-F6A's suffer from a low deviation problem. If people complain about your low audio, you WON'T be able to use the radio for packet comms, until the deviation problem is fixed. Radios that do have TNC's in them: TH-D7; Yaesu VX-8GR, FT-350;Kenwood TM-D700, TM-D710; Alinco DR-635 (several other Alinco mobiles have an optional TNC module). There are probably a few others I missed. Most will require a separate GPS also. How complicated it is depends on exactly what you want to do. If you want to send out APRS packets so that others can track your movements - all you need is a TinyTrak type device and an HT. If you want to be able to track others APRS signals on a map, then you need a full blown TNC, radio, and a computer running APRS software. The in-between area (you don't need a map display) - you can use the self contained units like the Yaesu DX-8GR (includes the GPS) or the Kenwood D7 HT ( will need a GPS) or the mobiles with TNC's built-in that will also require a GPS. Your best bet is to hook up with a local mentor that can help guide you through the ins and out of getting up and running on APRS. 73, Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend, Oregon - Original Message - From: Dan Walker Thank you, seems so complicated! very limited funds. Will try to get it setup with your help. Again Thanks, Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:58 AM Dan, Although the TH-F6A has a Packet modem, that is not all you need to operate APRS with that HT. You will also need a computer, laptop if operating portable or mobile connected to the TH-F6A, see page 45 of the operating manual for cables ect. Then you would need a TNC that would connect with the GPS unit or manually enter in lat - long locations though software (see UI-View: http://www.ui-view.org/) that the TNC can send to the TH-F6A. You may want to look for a used Kenwood TH-D7A/G that has APRS as one of the built in features. There is supposed to be a new Kenwood HT, Kenwood TH-D72? with built-in APRS and GPS, however no release date as to when the new HT will be available. You might watch the TH-D7 Yahoo group for more information: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kenwood_TH-D7/ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dan Walker wd5...@... wrote: Plan on orerating mobile have Kenwood TH-F6A and my Tom Tom is not the highend unit I thought it was. TH-F6A says it has 1200bps modem for VHF. How do I put it all togather? Not even sure what I can do with APRS. Been off the air for a while. Dan I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 Time: 06:13:31 IT WORKED !! This is part of a sinister plot to take over the world. First it puts you to sleep ... z... then I take over. BEWARE !! I assume you were on LSB? Could have been WISP on 3.5926 USB which puts the carrier on 35941 +/- a couple hundred kc. It almost sounds like a steady tone, you have to listen carefully to detect that it is not. It would also have been JT-65 on 3.576 USB, +/- a few hundred kcs. Lots of activity on JT-65 around 14.076 USB. All data modes use USB. JT-65 and WISP sound very different from each other. Time to adjust your (foil) hat. ve3bdr Yes, Rudy, it was LSB, but it was neither WSPR nor JT-65. It was the distinctive gliding from one tone to another that made it stand out from anything I have heard before. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
Re: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
MFSK8? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Ian Wade G3NRW g3...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca benner%40vianet.ca Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 Time: 06:13:31 Yes, Rudy, it was LSB, but it was neither WSPR nor JT-65. It was the distinctive gliding from one tone to another that made it stand out from anything I have heard before. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW Replg3...@yahoo.co.uk?subject=re:+%5Bdigitalradio%5D+Weebly-warbly+on+80m?
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Sorry Howard But this brain dead thinking (or lack of it) about pactor that some seen to have just burns me the wrong way. I guess if I had a sound card in the shack computer I could blast back every time I get QRM'ed by some other mode also. Speaking of, where have you been hiding your pactor station at? John At 11:26 PM 8/29/2010, you wrote: Thank you, John, Sir. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79NV
[digitalradio] DM-780
Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn
Re: [digitalradio] DM-780
Assuming you're using v5, it is activated via a macro instruction rsid. For use on receive, go to Program Options, Modes + IDs, the Reed Solomon (RSID) tab, and Enable RSID detection. You can also activate a RSID transmit button as well, if you don't want to program it into the macros. That option is on the right-hand side of the Reed-Solomon (RSID) tab mentioned in the previous paragraph. Dave K3DCW On Aug 30, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Lynn wrote: Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net
Re: [digitalradio] DM-780
Yes, it does. TOOLSPROGRAM OPTIONSMODES IDS - SELECT THE RSID TAB. ve3bdr From: Lynn Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] DM-780 Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3102 - Release Date: 08/30/10 02:35:00
[digitalradio] CMSK successful tests on 600m
I ran 200W of CMSK8 for two hours last night, with 100% copy at VK2DDI (2200km range) and good copy with very deep fades at ZL2AFP (500km range). Copy was good in VK2 well before sunset. Later in the evening a test with 50W of CMSK63 was also 100% copy for long periods at both locations. The transmissions were on 508.150kHz. I used a Redifon DU505 exciter. The transmitter is Class D H-bridge and the antenna a base loaded inverted L with 7.5m upwire, and three 30m top wires. Both receiving stations used PA0RDT mini-whip antennas. 73, Murray ZL1BPU
RE: [digitalradio] DM-780
Not every version though. Only these later versions over the last eight months or so. Rick - KH2DF From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rudy Benner Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:28 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] DM-780 Yes, it does. TOOLSPROGRAM OPTIONSMODES IDS - SELECT THE RSID TAB. ve3bdr From: Lynn mailto:n0...@cox.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] DM-780 Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3102 - Release Date: 08/30/10 02:35:00
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK successful tests on 600m
Pretty impressive , Murray. Thanks for the update. Andy K3UK On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM, zl1...@nzart.org.nz wrote: I ran 200W of CMSK8 for two hours last night, with 100% copy at VK2DDI (2200km range) and good copy with very deep fades at ZL2AFP (500km range). Copy was good in VK2 well before sunset. Later in the evening a test with 50W of CMSK63 was also 100% copy for long periods at both locations. The transmissions were on 508.150kHz. I used a Redifon DU505 exciter. The transmitter is Class D H-bridge and the antenna a base loaded inverted L with 7.5m upwire, and three 30m top wires. Both receiving stations used PA0RDT mini-whip antennas. 73, Murray ZL1BPU R zl1...@nzart.org.nz?subject=cmsk+successful+tests+on+600m
[digitalradio] Re: CMSK successful tests on 600m
I just wish there was more activity down here on 600m! 73, Murray ZL1BPU --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: Pretty impressive , Murray. Thanks for the update. Andy K3UK On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM, zl1...@... wrote: I ran 200W of CMSK8 for two hours last night, with 100% copy at VK2DDI (2200km range) and good copy with very deep fades at ZL2AFP (500km range). Copy was good in VK2 well before sunset. Later in the evening a test with 50W of CMSK63 was also 100% copy for long periods at both locations. The transmissions were on 508.150kHz. I used a Redifon DU505 exciter. The transmitter is Class D H-bridge and the antenna a base loaded inverted L with 7.5m upwire, and three 30m top wires. Both receiving stations used PA0RDT mini-whip antennas. 73, Murray ZL1BPU R zl1...@...?subject=cmsk+successful+tests+on+600m
[digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, k4cjx k4...@... wrote: Amazing that one thinks that 1 percent can cause any type of difference, anywhere, especially on the Phone bands. Regulation by bandwidth and not by mode seems to be working everywhere that it is allowed. under a bandwidth regulatory environment, there is no phone band. BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future. Steve, k4cjx, aaa9ac So you think 1% transmitting on your frequency without listening systematically would be ok? Actually it was winlink advocates that pressed for the rightfully doomed proposal. And I think I remember a certain person advocating sending boilerplate comments to the FCC in support of this. To the original post, ROS seems overly wide for any perceived advantages it offers; unless you have information to the contrary. 73, Bill N9DSJ
[digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Amazing that one thinks that 1 percent can cause any type of difference, anywhere, especially on the Phone bands. Regulation by bandwidth and not by mode seems to be working everywhere that it is allowed. under a bandwidth regulatory environment, there is no phone band. BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future. Steve, k4cjx, aaa9ac --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote: Julian, For example, five years ago, Winlink attempted to get the FCC to allow then to use Pactor-III ALL OVER the phone bands, with the argument that the bandwidth was no greater than a phone signal. Do you think that should have been allowed for the benefit of that 1% of the US ham population and therefore wrecking the phone bands for over 50% of hams worldwide? Perhaps you have never had a QSO destroyed by a Pactor-III or Pactor-II mailbox... Regulations in this country protect as well as hinder sometimes. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 7:23 AM, KH6TY wrote: Who is to decide what is harmful to the general population or not - the individual looking out for himself, or the public looking out for everyone (in the form of a republic) including that individual? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 4:34 AM, g4ilo wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh6ty@ wrote: Just use common sense.. Garrett / AA0OI Common sense says follow the regulations, because they were made for the benefit of everyone, and not just for what a few who would like to do what they wish without regard for others that want to use the bands. Regulations are not guide lines - they are LAW for the benefit of all. Band plans are guide lines, not regulations. What may seen nit picking to you may seem necessary to others. The regulations are a great balancing act to both protect and enable as many users to be treated as fairly as possible. 73, Skip KH6TY We also have a saying over here, the law is an ass. Whilst I'm not advocating anarchy, I guess most people in this discussion have broken the law at one time or another by, for example, exceeding the speed limit in their car, something that could arguably have more serious consequences than using a transmission mode that some regulation appears to ban even though no harm would be caused by using it. I think a sense of proportion is needed. Julian, G4ILO
RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of k4cjx Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:12 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Amazing that one thinks that 1 percent can cause any type of difference, anywhere, especially on the Phone bands. When that 1 percent deploys unattended stations that transmit without first checking to see if the frequency is in use, they can create havoc far out of proportion to their fraction of ham community. Regulation by bandwidth and not by mode seems to be working everywhere that it is allowed. under a bandwidth regulatory environment, there is no phone band. True, if ops generally have the courtesy to not QRM existing QSOs. Those who rudely deploy unattended stations without competent busy frequency detectors are what make regulation by bandwith unacceptable. BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future. The ARRL withdrew its regulation by bandwidth proposal because it had no effective response to the factual assertions that this proposal would greatly expand the frequency range accessible to unattended stations without providing any means of ensuring that such stations would not QRM existing QSOs. When those who deploy unattended stations upgrade them to rarely QRM existing QSOs (emergency conditions excepted), regulation by bandwidth will become possible. 73, Dave, AA6YQ
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
On 8/29/2010 2:12 PM, k4cjx wrote: BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future. Steve, k4cjx, aaa9ac Let's not try to distort history. The ARRL was essentially taken over by Winlink, in this instance. when the proposal was written http://www.zerobeat.net/bandplan-dissent.html so it was really Winlink's proposal, not the ARRL's proposal, and was roundly rejected by both phone band hams and digital operators, and rightfully so. As so many have complained, the bandwidth of ROS is hugely inappropriate for the digital portions of the bands, for what it can accomplish in comparison to much more narrow modes, and even lacks the basic busy detector which would allow it to share the frequencies with other stations, just as Winlink stations lack, and often do battle among themselves, for a frequency instead of sharing it on a first-come-first serve basis. As far as the phone bands being opened to digital operations is concerned, there is still lacking a practical means to cross-communicate between phone and digital in order to effect frequency sharing. This is a major reason that there must continue to be legal separation between digital operators and phone in order to protect the phone bands from being dominated by digital operations, and until phone operators and digital operators can cross-communicate and cooperatively share frequencies, it is probably going to stay that way. Our limited ham bands must be shared by all interests and do not exist just for the convenience and pleasure of a minority that does not subscribe to, or practice, frequency sharing. We are fortunate to have REGULATIONS in this country, instead of merely bandplans (which are only recommendations), to prevent the dominance of the bands from a few who refuse to adopt frequency sharing practices or technologies. If you do not live under FCC jurisdiction, you also need to be thankful for the same reguations that have protected you also, as radio waves often obey no international boundaries. 73, Skip KH6TY
RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of John B. Stephensen Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:29 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The ARRL response was that the final proposal retained the existing automatic subands. My recollection is that a flurry of desperate activity preceded the ARRL's retracting its proposal; if part of that flurry included a modification that would have retained the automatic sub-bands, I don't recall seeing it. 73, Dave, AA6YQ - Original Message - When that 1 percent deploys unattended stations that transmit without first checking to see if the frequency is in use, they can create havoc far out of proportion to their fraction of ham community. Regulation by bandwidth and not by mode seems to be working everywhere that it is allowed. under a bandwidth regulatory environment, there is no phone band. True, if ops generally have the courtesy to not QRM existing QSOs. Those who rudely deploy unattended stations without competent busy frequency detectors are what make regulation by bandwith unacceptable. BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future. The ARRL withdrew its regulation by bandwidth proposal because it had no effective response to the factual assertions that this proposal would greatly expand the frequency range accessible to unattended stations without providing any means of ensuring that such stations would not QRM existing QSOs. When those who deploy unattended stations upgrade them to rarely QRM existing QSOs (emergency conditions excepted), regulation by bandwidth will become possible. 73, Dave, AA6YQ
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
Hi Trevor, Op 29-08-10 11:08, Trevor . schreef: I do not understand why -say- the IARU does not does this. I'm not say they should endorce any standard of any technology. Unfortunately it would require a volunteer willing to put in a lot of hard work to do. Volunteers are always in short supply. Well, I don't know. In the internet-world, RFCs are usually written by the people who design the protocol or the technology explained in the RFC. The IETF doesn't do that neither. All the IARU should do is: - encourage people who create new protocols and technologies to document it in a written document. - Do quality control (e.g. concerning the exact wording of the RFCs) - Publish them. (which just means put them on their website). Now I must say. Thinking about it. Perhaps one of the differences in (say) an internet-protocol and ham digital modes is that the first group is usually created by teams of people, while I have the impression that a lot of the digital modes are created by just one or a very limited number of people. In a team, there usually already is written documentation anyway (as part of the process of coming up with the specification and the discussions inside the team), it's probably much easier to translate the final version into a RFC-document and there usually already is somebody of the team assigned to documentation anyway. If you do create something by yourself, most people have something on paper, but most of it in my head. The task of asking now write this all into a nice technical spec is then much more work. Perhaps what Dave (Rowe, creator of codec2) should do is to make a technical presentation on some ham conference (preferable filmed and available on youtube afterwards) so that somebody else can start write a technical specs based on that. And, to be honest. Having to give a technical presentation is not necessairy a bad thing. I noticed myself that, having to make some slides and having to think on how to explain something, quite often leads to some insides into problems you are having. :-) One existing source of info is http://www.arrl.org/technical-characteristics But this doesn't provide always provide detailed description of a mode, for instance you couldn't recreate Pactor-III from the information supplied there. Also I suspect it's not kept up to date with mode enhancements. Thanks for the link. Very interesting. IIRC, pactor 2 and pactor 3 use patented technology so I doubt it will be freely documented somewhere. :-( 73 Trevor M5AKA Cheerio! Kristoff ON5ARF (ex ON1ARF)
RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Me just thinking out loud.. Would we be talking about this if one could operate Pactor 2 or 3 on a 15 buck sound card from any wal*mart? I think not. I for one can run all 3 pactor modes having the modem. (by putting out the cash for the thing in the first place) and enjoy the many QSO's that I have had. Not every, and I think that really needs to be said again and again that not every pactor signal heard is some mail system. I have been QRMed many times because the other person was thinking oh it's just another robot. Well guess what? But the good side of this now is that they (the robots) are now on WINMOR for the most part. So now you really must ask yourself before you QRM that pactor is that really a robot or 2 in a pactor QSO. John, W0JAB
[digitalradio] Re: A shot of my WSPR screen...
Interesting, I get the same thing. It has been months since I tried WSPR. I checked my old guide http://www.frenning.dk/OZ1PIF_HOMEPAGE/Whisper_Guide.html Followed my own instructions and get NO decode. Will play around some more On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Robert L. Tucker rltuc...@aol.com wrote: ...showing spots but no decodes. BTW, I went through the steps to upload this image to the Photos section of the website, but it doesn't show up... just a little blue box with a ? inside. Robert K5TD
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New
Dan, The TH-F6A DOES NOT have a modem in it. It can be used with an external TNC (like a Kantronics KPC-3+, Open-Tracker, TNC-X, etc.). Quite a few of the TH-F6A's suffer from a low deviation problem. If people complain about your low audio, you WON'T be able to use the radio for packet comms, until the deviation problem is fixed. Radios that do have TNC's in them: TH-D7; Yaesu VX-8GR, FT-350;Kenwood TM-D700, TM-D710; Alinco DR-635 (several other Alinco mobiles have an optional TNC module). There are probably a few others I missed. Most will require a separate GPS also. How complicated it is depends on exactly what you want to do. If you want to send out APRS packets so that others can track your movements - all you need is a TinyTrak type device and an HT. If you want to be able to track others APRS signals on a map, then you need a full blown TNC, radio, and a computer running APRS software. The in-between area (you don't need a map display) - you can use the self contained units like the Yaesu DX-8GR (includes the GPS) or the Kenwood D7 HT ( will need a GPS) or the mobiles with TNC's built-in that will also require a GPS. Your best bet is to hook up with a local mentor that can help guide you through the ins and out of getting up and running on APRS. 73, Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend, Oregon - Original Message - From: Dan Walker Thank you, seems so complicated! very limited funds. Will try to get it setup with your help. Again Thanks, Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:58 AM Dan, Although the TH-F6A has a Packet modem, that is not all you need to operate APRS with that HT. You will also need a computer, laptop if operating portable or mobile connected to the TH-F6A, see page 45 of the operating manual for cables ect. Then you would need a TNC that would connect with the GPS unit or manually enter in lat - long locations though software (see UI-View: http://www.ui-view.org/) that the TNC can send to the TH-F6A. You may want to look for a used Kenwood TH-D7A/G that has APRS as one of the built in features. There is supposed to be a new Kenwood HT, Kenwood TH-D72? with built-in APRS and GPS, however no release date as to when the new HT will be available. You might watch the TH-D7 Yahoo group for more information: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kenwood_TH-D7/ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dan Walker wd5...@... wrote: Plan on orerating mobile have Kenwood TH-F6A and my Tom Tom is not the highend unit I thought it was. TH-F6A says it has 1200bps modem for VHF. How do I put it all togather? Not even sure what I can do with APRS. Been off the air for a while. Dan I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
[digitalradio] Re: CMSK63
Hi folks, There seems to be a fair bit of misinformation around regarding the new CMSK mode for LF/MF. I recommend you go back to my web site, read all about it, download the latest version, then READ THE HELP FILE CAREFULLY. www.qsl/net/zl1bpu/CMSK/cmsk.htm The mode is not intended for HF, and I won't answer questions regarding its use there (use MFSK16 or DominoEX please!), but I am willing to respond to questions about its use on 2200, 600 or 160m. Pay particular attention to getting the sampling rate correct, especially on CMSK8, which is intended for beacon rather than QSO applications. You can expect it to take a while to get the tuning correct, and for text to appear, since the CMSK8 mode has long latency. This is a price you pay for narrow bandwidth and high sensitivity. Once documentation is complete, we'll offer the mode for inclusion in multi-mode software such as FLDIGI and HRD, but for now the features may seem a bit limited, and that's on purpose. 73, Murray ZL1BPU Co-designer, CMSK
[digitalradio] Re: CMSK63
I suggest you read the help file. All your points are answered there. Download the latest version. 73, Murray ZL1BPU --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, my_call_is_ac4m kf4...@... wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
[digitalradio] Re: A shot of my WSPR screen...
I got a report 0316 -17 -1.1 10.140158 0 VE7THZ DN09 30 10386 was the receive dial frequency that the software was tuned to On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, I get the same thing. It has been months since I tried WSPR. I checked my old guide http://www.frenning.dk/OZ1PIF_HOMEPAGE/Whisper_Guide.html Followed my own instructions and get NO decode. Will play around some more On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Robert L. Tucker rltuc...@aol.com wrote: ...showing spots but no decodes. BTW, I went through the steps to upload this image to the Photos section of the website, but it doesn't show up... just a little blue box with a ? inside. Robert K5TD
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Thank you, John, Sir. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79NV - Original Message - From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Me just thinking out loud.. Would we be talking about this if one could operate Pactor 2 or 3 on a 15 buck sound card from any wal*mart? I think not. I for one can run all 3 pactor modes having the modem. (by putting out the cash for the thing in the first place) and enjoy the many QSO's that I have had. Not every, and I think that really needs to be said again and again that not every pactor signal heard is some mail system. I have been QRMed many times because the other person was thinking oh it's just another robot. Well guess what? But the good side of this now is that they (the robots) are now on WINMOR for the most part. So now you really must ask yourself before you QRM that pactor is that really a robot or 2 in a pactor QSO. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] New
There's a good introduction to APRS at http://www.wa8lmf.net/bruninga/aprs.html At the bottom of that page is a link to join the TAPR APRSSIG email list. It is very active and I'd recommend you join. My other suggestion applies if you would like to have some fun at home right off the bat. Download a copy of UI-View32 from http://www.ui-view.org/ You can start out running this program to watch other position beacons as they are reported through RF digipeaters with IGate capability. That is, you can play with APRS reporting from data on the internet even before you hook up your PC to your radio. You can focus on any location you want, world-wide. My first introduction to APRS, years ago, was when a friend took a vacation and beaconed the whole trip. I could watch in near real time as he navigated across the US. In addition to UI-View32, you can use the findu.com site to lookup APRS info directly on the internet. To focus on your home town of Joplin, MO, using findu.com, I looked for APRS activity near your lat/long as reported on qrz.com for your callsign: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/near.cgi?lat=37.034415lon=-94.509317last=240distance=200n=100rate=1 It shows the activity in your area, and the fact that there's an IGate in Joplin. Next you can connect to your radio and begin to have UI-View32 issue position reports from your home QTH. You can configure UI-View32 with your fixed lat/long info and don't need a GPS for that. Some people who have a home weather station that can connect to their PC will use that to have their home QTH APRS beacons contain the latest temp, wind, etc. If it's still fun, I'd consider the other recommendations you've gotten. As Jeff KE7ACY pointed out If you want to send out APRS packets so that others can track your movements - all you need is a TinyTrak type device and an HT. That can be fun. One time I was at Dayton for the Hamvention. I typically bring along my HT and a mag mount for the rental car. Hooked up the gps to the HT as I drove around the area. I'd given my wife the findu.com link to track me, and she called me on the cell from back in California and asked why I was on the freeway going 8 miles per hour. I thought that was pretty funny, while I sat there in the traffic jam. As suggested by others, you can go whole hog while mobile and bring along a lap or netbook and hook your gps to that, and to the radio. People do that, but I would first try some of the simpler ideas listed above to get started. Good luck. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Dan To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:18 PM Subject: [digitalradio] New I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
[digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
All, I received an email from Peter Martinez today regarding the new codec developed by Dave Rowe. I had asked him if it was possible to use it in one of the digital voice applications and he explained that the modem, which was originally designed by Peter for a different voice codec, would have to be modified for it to work with Dave's codec. He said that he would not be able to take this on at the moment because of other obligations, but he did mention that he would pass along the know-how to anyone who would like to try writing a modem for Dave's codec based on Peter's own FDM design. This is how Cesco, HB9TLK re-engineered Peter's modem to work with a slower 1400 bps codec for the digital voice program FDMDV and how Erik, VK4RS developed EasyPal Unfortunately, we haven't been able to get in touch with Cesco for some time now so it may be necessary to have someone come up with a new digital voice application - something along the lines of WinDRM / FDMDV. If anyone is interested in taking on these projects, please contact me direct and I will put you in touch with Peter. Thanks, Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
I wonder if Patrick would be interested ??? Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: All, I received an email from Peter Martinez today regarding the new codec developed by Dave Rowe. I had asked him if it was possible to use it in one of the digital voice applications and he explained that the modem, which was originally designed by Peter for a different voice codec, would have to be modified for it to work with Dave's codec. He said that he would not be able to take this on at the moment because of other obligations, but he did mention that he would pass along the know-how to anyone who would like to try writing a modem for Dave's codec based on Peter's own FDM design. This is how Cesco, HB9TLK re-engineered Peter's modem to work with a slower 1400 bps codec for the digital voice program FDMDV and how Erik, VK4RS developed EasyPal Unfortunately, we haven't been able to get in touch with Cesco for some time now so it may be necessary to have someone come up with a new digital voice application - something along the lines of WinDRM / FDMDV. If anyone is interested in taking on these projects, please contact me direct and I will put you in touch with Peter. Thanks, Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
Hello Andy, I think it would be an interesting subject. However, if such mode was created I think it might be rather be conceived in some public way, so that the detailed specifications be public and written by specialists of this specific matter (I don't belong to these specialists). Then, it would be (relatively) easy to carry these detailed specifications to multimode programs, which would be compatible on this particular mode. Now, I think the Cesco program (FDMDV) exists and it worked well (at least with the first Codec), so... 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem I wonder if Patrick would be interested ??? Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: All, I received an email from Peter Martinez today regarding the new codec developed by Dave Rowe. I had asked him if it was possible to use it in one of the digital voice applications and he explained that the modem, which was originally designed by Peter for a different voice codec, would have to be modified for it to work with Dave's codec. He said that he would not be able to take this on at the moment because of other obligations, but he did mention that he would pass along the know-how to anyone who would like to try writing a modem for Dave's codec based on Peter's own FDM design. This is how Cesco, HB9TLK re-engineered Peter's modem to work with a slower 1400 bps codec for the digital voice program FDMDV and how Erik, VK4RS developed EasyPal Unfortunately, we haven't been able to get in touch with Cesco for some time now so it may be necessary to have someone come up with a new digital voice application - something along the lines of WinDRM / FDMDV. If anyone is interested in taking on these projects, please contact me direct and I will put you in touch with Peter. Thanks, Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
Hi all, Talking of documentation and specs. I am still pretty new to radio-amateurism (just started again after more then 17 years) one of the first things I noticed when I started exploring all these digital modes, is that it is pretty difficult to get specifications and exact documentation of them all. If I look at the culture of the internet and opensource (which is my profesional background), I'm still surprised that there is not central repository of all these digital modes. In the internet-world, there is the IETF (internet Engineering Task Force) and there are RFCs. Almost all protocols are published as a RFC, for everybody to read; usually at the same time when applications and tools using it appear; and the IETF make sure there is a consistent wording and quality in these documents. This means that everbody who is interested in a protocol or some technology can just download the specs and read them. Either I have looked good enout, but AFAIK, in the ham-world; that does not exist at all. I've been searching all over the web to find information on how all these digital modes really work and you really need to scrap information together for all over the web (without any certainty what is now the correct way). I do not understand why -say- the IARU does not does this. I'm not say they should endorce any standard of any technology. But, the way I see it, it should really help if they would provide a platform so that everybody who comes up with a new technology or a protocol can document it (in a way consistent to other RFCs and place it in a central repostitory so that everybody can read it. That would help a lot, clear up inconsistencies between programs and help developers to write code. Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. Op 28-08-10 11:17, Patrick Lindecker schreef: Hello Andy, I think it would be an interesting subject. However, if such mode was created I think it might be rather be conceived in some public way, so that the _detailed _specifications be public and written by specialists of this specific matter (I don't belong to these specialists). Then, it would be (relatively) easy to carry these detailed specifications to multimode programs, which would be compatible on this particular mode. Now, I think the Cesco program (FDMDV) exists and it worked well (at least with the first Codec), so... 73 Patrick - Original Message - *From:* Andy obrien mailto:k3uka...@gmail.com *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem I wonder if Patrick would be interested ??? Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Tony d...@optonline.net mailto:d...@optonline.net wrote: All, I received an email from Peter Martinez today regarding the new codec developed by Dave Rowe. I had asked him if it was possible to use it in one of the digital voice applications and he explained that the modem, which was originally designed by Peter for a different voice codec, would have to be modified for it to work with Dave's codec. He said that he would not be able to take this on at the moment because of other obligations, but he did mention that he would pass along the know-how to anyone who would like to try writing a modem for Dave's codec based on Peter's own FDM design. This is how Cesco, HB9TLK re-engineered Peter's modem to work with a slower 1400 bps codec for the digital voice program FDMDV and how Erik, VK4RS developed EasyPal Unfortunately, we haven't been able to get in touch with Cesco for some time now so it may be necessary to have someone come up with a new digital voice application - something along the lines of WinDRM / FDMDV. If anyone is interested in taking on these projects, please contact me direct and I will put you in touch with Peter. Thanks, Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
Speaking of digital voice I had a nice but short QSO today while driving home from a event I had been to. I was really shocked because out of the clear blue I had been listening to VHF when the HF radio started talking. So I just had to answer his DV CQ. John, W0JAB
[digitalradio] New
I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] New
You don't specifically NEED a GPS unit for APRS unless you plan on operating mobile. APRS uses VHF, HF, or both. Which do you plan? If mobile, most use VHF.. 2 meters. On HF is is mainly 30M but there is some HF APRS on 20M too. Most common APRS methods use packet radio. 300 baud packet on HF and 1200 baud packet on 30M . There is some APRS using PSK but that is not as common. So, to start, we need to figure out how you intend to generate the packet tones and decode the received signals . If mobile , we need to figure out if you have one of the special radios that has a TNC built in. or are you going to need one like the small TNC-X (designed by my neighbour a few blocks away). Not mobile, you can use a soundcard based application , like Multpsk, to generate the Packet tones in APRS mode. Many GPS units do not work with ham radio and APRS. Only the higher-end GPS units tend to come with data output presented in a manner than can be linked to a radio. So don't assume your Tom Tom will do what u want unless it outputs data via NMEA So, tell me more about what you have in mind ? Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Dan wd5...@yahoo.com wrote: I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
[digitalradio] CB/HAM RADIO used 4 survival explained in article.
Hi, here is the link to the site. http://www.todayssurvival.com/ I was surprised to see that they listed using CB HAM radio for survival in the contents of the current audio production of their show. They have a list of articles archived easily accessed right on their home page. They use MP3 audio do podcasts. Loads of neat info on the site. Enjoy. 73/75 de ka9jwx, Paul Lewis Webster BPL BAD, KILL BPL, KILL BPL!! SKCC #5322 John 3:16 Proud member of the; ARRL Handihams LiveFreeUSA NRA (If its good enough for Glen Beck Sarah Palin, its good enough for me!) 60 Plus (even tho I am younger then 60) Long:-87.334L (-87*20'3W) Lat:41.4967N (41*29'48N) EN61HL Merrillville, Indiana, 46410-3503, USA ;-)
Re: [digitalradio] New
Just my two cents worth.. About QRV APRS . I think nobody use it now. It possible to add APRS logo to your qrzcom page and when you click on it show your position You can see sample of use it in the few pages now, for example click to: http://www.qrz.com/db/k8waw or http://www.qrz.com/db/do3nn You wrote : I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD web design in www.qrz.com Sample and download books on http://www.qrz.com/db/Ua6jd
Re: [digitalradio] New
Plan on orerating mobile have Kenwood TH-F6A and my Tom Tom is not the highend unit I thought it was. TH-F6A says it has 1200bps modem for VHF. How do I put it all togather? Not even sure what I can do with APRS. Been off the air for a while. Dan --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 7:45 PM You don't specifically NEED a GPS unit for APRS unless you plan on operating mobile. APRS uses VHF, HF, or both. Which do you plan? If mobile, most use VHF.. 2 meters. On HF is is mainly 30M but there is some HF APRS on 20M too. Most common APRS methods use packet radio. 300 baud packet on HF and 1200 baud packet on 30M . There is some APRS using PSK but that is not as common. So, to start, we need to figure out how you intend to generate the packet tones and decode the received signals . If mobile , we need to figure out if you have one of the special radios that has a TNC built in. or are you going to need one like the small TNC-X (designed by my neighbour a few blocks away). Not mobile, you can use a soundcard based application , like Multpsk, to generate the Packet tones in APRS mode. Many GPS units do not work with ham radio and APRS. Only the higher-end GPS units tend to come with data output presented in a manner than can be linked to a radio. So don't assume your Tom Tom will do what u want unless it outputs data via NMEA So, tell me more about what you have in mind ? Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Dan wd5...@yahoo.com wrote: I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] New
Thank You, Dan --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Vlad_UA6JD jt...@mail-on.us wrote: From: Vlad_UA6JD jt...@mail-on.us Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New To: Dan digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 10:01 PM Just my two cents worth.. About QRV APRS . I think nobody use it now. It possible to add APRS logo to your qrzcom page and when you click on it show your position You can see sample of use it in the few pages now, for example click to: http://www.qrz.com/db/k8waw or http://www.qrz.com/db/do3nn You wrote : I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD web design in www.qrz.com Sample and download books on http://www.qrz.com/db/Ua6jd
Re[2]: [digitalradio] New
Hello, Dan. If you like samples - let me know and I will design qrzcom page for you with APRS clickable logo in. You wrote : Thank You, Dan --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Vlad_UA6JD jt...@mail-on.us wrote: From: Vlad_UA6JD jt...@mail-on.us Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New To: Dan digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 10:01 PM Just my two cents worth.. About QRV APRS . I think nobody use it now. It possible to add APRS logo to your qrzcom page and when you click on it show your position You can see sample of use it in the few pages now, for example click to: http://www.qrz.com/db/k8waw or http://www.qrz.com/db/do3nn You wrote : I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD web design in www.qrz.com Sample and download books on http://www.qrz.com/db/Ua6jd Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD web design in www.qrz.com Sample and download books on http://www.qrz.com/db/Ua6jd
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice News - VK5DGR's Open Source Codec
It is good news, although I still think MELP was more legal than people think. Andy K3UK On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:28 PM, J. Moen j...@jwmoen.com wrote: This is very, very good news, and it may turn out to be a very big deal. It will be fun to hear reports from the early adopters. There aren't many people who can write this kind of code -- if you like where Dave is headed, you may want to donate to his CODEC2 effort that's referred to in the link below. Ever since we all discovered that MELP was not legally available, we've all been waiting for something good that's open source. CODEC2 may allow a narrow enough bandwidth for widespread use on HF, and it may provide an alternative for VHF/UHF digital voice in the future. While I don't begrudge D-Star's use of the $25 AMBE proprietary codec on a chip, that approach prevents the kind of experimentation that hams are famous for. A software only codec would be very welcome as the future unfolds Jim - K6JM
[digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice News - VK5DGR's Open Source Codec
Yes and not to forget all the hams put in before the project went comercial and turned into D star and where then simply cut out , ok Georges packet engine went comercial , but he left a good working copy for down load , like the 'new' pic based projects with a $20 pre coded pic , same as a ready made pcb , not quite, you cannot hack out a pic with a broken hack-saw blade .. G. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, J. Moen j...@... wrote: This is very, very good news, and it may turn out to be a very big deal. It will be fun to hear reports from the early adopters. There aren't many people who can write this kind of code -- if you like where Dave is headed, you may want to donate to his CODEC2 effort that's referred to in the link below. Ever since we all discovered that MELP was not legally available, we've all been waiting for something good that's open source. CODEC2 may allow a narrow enough bandwidth for widespread use on HF, and it may provide an alternative for VHF/UHF digital voice in the future. While I don't begrudge D-Star's use of the $25 AMBE proprietary codec on a chip, that approach prevents the kind of experimentation that hams are famous for. A software only codec would be very welcome as the future unfolds Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Digital Voice News - VK5DGR's Open Source Codec All, Dave Rowe, VK5DGR, has just released an open source speech codec that could potentially be used in such digital voice applications as FDMDV and WinDRM. Dave says that his new CODEC2 needs work, but the speech quality of the Alpha release is pretty good. He has a few audio samples of CODEC2 and the proprietary codec MELP (for comparison) on his website: http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=452 For more information, visit Dave's main site at http://www.rowetel.com/blog/ Tony -K2MO
[digitalradio] speaking of digital voice
Sunday's around 11:00 Sundays is a real good time to find some of us on 14,236 DV. If your lucky - you may even get me mobile as I'll be on the move this Sunday. see - http://www.hamradio-dv.org/aor/digital-ssb/fellow-users/fellow-users-pics/w0jab/w0jab-stn.htm for a photo of my mobile set up. John W0JAB in hot Missouri - where it STILL takes only 1.5 hours to bake a potato in a closed car.. dit dit
Re: [digitalradio] speaking of digital voice
Can you check and repost that link? ve3bdr From: John Becker Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:32 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] speaking of digital voice Sunday's around 11:00 Sundays is a real good time to find some of us on 14,236 DV. If your lucky - you may even get me mobile as I'll be on the move this Sunday. see - http://www.hamradio-dv.org/aor/digital-ssb/fellow-users/fellow-users-pics/w0jab/w0jab-stn.htm for a photo of my mobile set up. John W0JAB in hot Missouri - where it STILL takes only 1.5 hours to bake a potato in a closed car.. dit dit No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 02:34:00
[digitalradio] Signal Around 14113.5 - What Is It?
Hello, Anybody have any idea what the mode/signal is around 14113.5? It is wide on the waterfall and there is no RSID. Sounds familiar but I cannot decode it. Any ideas? Rick - KH2DF
Re: [digitalradio] Signal Around 14113.5 - What Is It?
ROS ? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Rick Westerfield r_lwesterfi...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello, Anybody have any idea what the mode/signal is around 14113.5? It is wide on the waterfall and there is no RSID. Sounds familiar but I cannot decode it. Any ideas? Rick – KH2DF Repr_lwesterfi...@bellsouth.net?subject=signal+around+14113.5+-+what+is+it?
Re: [digitalradio] speaking of digital voice
At 04:34 PM 8/27/2010, you wrote: Can you check and repost that link? ve3bdr Seems to be a problem with the site for some reason here it is.. 1393d54.jpg inline: 1393d54.jpg
[digitalradio] Digital Voice News - VK5DGR's Open Source Codec
All, Dave Rowe, VK5DGR, has just released an open source speech codec that could potentially be used in such digital voice applications as FDMDV and WinDRM. Dave says that his new CODEC2 needs work, but the speech quality of the Alpha release is pretty good. He has a few audio samples of CODEC2 and the proprietary codec MELP (for comparison) on his website: http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=452 For more information, visit Dave's main site at http://www.rowetel.com/blog/ Tony -K2MO
RE: [digitalradio] HOW TO- Packet Keyboard-to-Keyboard operation?
Mike... You can also put your TNC in Converse mode. This will allow you to transmit in the blind like calling CQ or just announcing you are Listening. There should be Converse mode for your TNC. Good luck, Joe N3JNX To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com From: mikefa...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:47:07 + Subject: [digitalradio] HOW TO- Packet Keyboard-to-Keyboard operation? Yes, I'm a packet newb. I just got my VHF packet system running (817/Signalink USB/Laptop/AGW/PacTerm) and can connect to a couple of local BBS. But I would like to understand how to actually do a keyboard to keyboard QSO using packet. I assume this does NOT go through a BBS. I've ready about 'keyboard to' but cannot find actual instructions about how to actually go about it. I have a willing friend ham on the other end that will work with me. Eventually I'd like to incorporate PacLink and Thunderbird and make that same keyboard-to-keyboard QSO using the Thunderbird Email client interface. Thanks for any pointers, URLs, docs. Mike
[digitalradio] de AA5JG FS: Kenwood TS2000 HF/VHF/UHF transceiver
-- Forwarded message -- From: John Geiger aa...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:35 AM Subject: [KenwoodTS-2000] FS: Kenwood TS2000 HF/VHF/UHF transceiver To: kenwoodts-2...@yahoogroups.com I have for sale or trade a 2008 model Kenwood TS2000 that does 100 watts on HF, 6m, and 2m, and 50 watts on 70cm. I bought this radio used from Ham Radio Outlet at the beginning of June, so it has been checked out recently and found to work perfectly. Really like it but life things come up and I need to downsize the shack a bit. This radio has IF DSP so no optional filters are needed. It also has full duplex for the satellites, a built in TCXO, a 2m/70cm subreceiver for listening to the local repeaters while operating on the main receiver, and a built in TNC. It will also do crossband repeat so you can get on HF or 6m while walking around town with an HT-what a neat feature! It is in very good condition with a couple of light scratches on the top of the case (I doubt they would show up in a picture). It comes with the hand mic, power cord, and manual. I think I still have the original box but it is missing the stryofoam inserts, though. I am asking $1000 for it plus shipping, but can also meet for an inperson deal in the Southwest Oklahoma/OKC/North Texas area. You will not be disappointed with this radio-it does it all and does it all pretty well. 73s John AA5JG Lawton, OK
[digitalradio] Re: HOW TO- Packet Keyboard-to-Keyboard operation?
Thanks for all the replies. Boy, that seems waay too easy for something related to digital packet (ha ha). I'll give it a try soon. 73's Mike N3WF --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Yakoski jyako...@... wrote: Mike... You can also put your TNC in Converse mode. This will allow you to transmit in the blind like calling CQ or just announcing you are Listening. There should be Converse mode for your TNC. Good luck, Joe N3JNX To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com From: mikefa...@... Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:47:07 + Subject: [digitalradio] HOW TO- Packet Keyboard-to-Keyboard operation? Yes, I'm a packet newb. I just got my VHF packet system running (817/Signalink USB/Laptop/AGW/PacTerm) and can connect to a couple of local BBS. But I would like to understand how to actually do a keyboard to keyboard QSO using packet. I assume this does NOT go through a BBS. I've ready about 'keyboard to' but cannot find actual instructions about how to actually go about it. I have a willing friend ham on the other end that will work with me. Eventually I'd like to incorporate PacLink and Thunderbird and make that same keyboard-to-keyboard QSO using the Thunderbird Email client interface. Thanks for any pointers, URLs, docs. Mike
