Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
I think most would interpret Only if they are ...well...forget it On 8/31/09, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: Trip, Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue is not just a one time thing... and not just on QRP. Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major issue. When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) ..then tell me its not major. I think most would interpret when you have it occur 40-50 times with 20 over signal as the number of out-of-sync collisions that occurred during just one of your ALE-400 contacts and not the number of times overall. Understand if you'd rather not discuss it further. Hope you're able to get it working; let us know what you find. Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: kt4w...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 ***If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both ways*** 40 to 50 times during a QSO!!..WOW... Damn..I think If it occured that many times during 1 QSO..I would give up.. Dont ya think Look guys...Its MUST me something I'm doing wrong or my equipment..I mean...I have only been using this mode from the time it came out... and on no less than 3 or 4 diff. radios, bands and puters.. With no less than 10-15 other users. I have ONLY been on HF digi for JUST a few days ...Got my ticket from that Cracker Jack Box Its me, its not really happining.. I mean.. the hundreds of other users surely would have found this problemRight?? Just let it go...I have. End of thread. 73 de Trip - KT4WO - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 Trip, Its not a unique problem. KT4WO Well it does seem to be unique problem because we haven't heard from anyone else with major sync issues (yet). Your comments will hopefully, bring them out of the woodwork. In my experience and in the experience of others, ALE-400 sync issues happen occasionally and are almost always associated with weak signals. As the band fades, the mode dips below it's useful threshold and loses sync. At that point, it's time to quit or switch bands. Trying to continue after that results in a high number of collisions / sync issues because signals are just too weak. If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both ways. That certainly seems like a unique situation, but without knowing the circumstances at the time, it's hard to tell what's really going on. We would certainly appreciate a more detailed description of the band conditions when the mode lost sync that excessive number of times. For example; was there heavy QSB, QRM, QRN? Does it ever happen on a clear channel? Does it happen on one band more than others? Does it happen on one PC more than another. You're welcome to sked with me anytime Trip. I'm always on in the evenings starting around 2300z. I run a 5 element 20 meter mono-band Yagi @ 60ft. I'm sure we could work providing the propagation Gods cooperate. Thanks, Tony -K2MO Its not a unique problem. KT4WO On 8/31/09, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: Trip, Sounds like you have a unique problem with ALE-400. Hope you find out what it is and please let us know when you do. Sorry we couldn't help you. Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Thomas Carswell Jr. kt4w...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 w4pgh k3gau n4wi wa9hcz ni9y n9fdf k9vu wb8rol ai4cm Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work) Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, somealot more(k3gau,w4pgh) No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost 100 bucks on...lol AgainI love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy. MultiPSK is the ONLY digi software I have paid for...and that says alot for me... Im cheap!!...LOL If it just had a delay kick in when it losses sync...then it could re-sync. One gud static crash and it can lose sync. Look...Im not trin' to be a prick... but we have tried everything...been there, done that kinda thing... Me and Bill gave up on it and now use Olivia or DominoEXmost of the time(75%) it works fine... but that 25% was just too much... and I didnt keep records..it may not be 25%..but it was enuff to frustrate(sp?) us I think if that ONE issue was solved..ALE/FAE400 would be the BEST error free soundcard mode out
Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
Its not a unique problem. KT4WO On 8/31/09, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: Trip, Sounds like you have a unique problem with ALE-400. Hope you find out what it is and please let us know when you do. Sorry we couldn't help you. Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Thomas Carswell Jr. kt4w...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 w4pgh k3gau n4wi wa9hcz ni9y n9fdf k9vu wb8rol ai4cm Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work) Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, somealot more(k3gau,w4pgh) No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost 100 bucks on...lol AgainI love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy. MultiPSK is the ONLY digi software I have paid for...and that says alot for me... Im cheap!!...LOL If it just had a delay kick in when it losses sync...then it could re-sync. One gud static crash and it can lose sync. Look...Im not trin' to be a prick... but we have tried everything...been there, done that kinda thing... Me and Bill gave up on it and now use Olivia or DominoEXmost of the time(75%) it works fine... but that 25% was just too much... and I didnt keep records..it may not be 25%..but it was enuff to frustrate(sp?) us I think if that ONE issue was solved..ALE/FAE400 would be the BEST error free soundcard mode out there!! KT4WO On 8/30/09, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: Thomas, W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months Just a thought here... Your station setup sounds ok, but could it be that W4PGH has a VOX delay on or some other issue? Have you worked anyone else on ALE-400? Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Thomas Carswell Jr. kt4w...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 I have also used ALE/FAE400 since it was developed ... and no VOX 2.4 pent 4 with gig of ram...or 1 gig pent3 with 512 ram or 800mhz pent 3 with 512 or 1.5 gig ATOM w/1gig ram.4 diff. homebrew interfaces some with xformers..some notIcom IC-718 or Kenwood TS-50 or Kenwood TS450SAT or Kenwood TS-180SHalf-Wave dipoles...160-80-40-30...1/4wave Vert on 30 Over 6,000 digital(HF) QSO's logged in the last 14 years... from the old HAL RTTY interface to the new soundcard modes... Im not a NCPNG that just got on HF/DigiModes last year...LOL... I have been on some type of digi mode for the last 18 years. What I see as a major problem.. you may not...thats cool... but W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months on 80 and 160.he is 40 miles from me. The sync issue..is just that. Its not my radio, interface, antenna, computer...or me..LOL Its great ya'll are not having the issue too offten. But ...When hams try it out for the first time and it loses sync a few times...they will just switch modes and not look back. KT4WO On 8/30/09, Sholto Fisher sho...@probikekit.com wrote: Trip, You're not by any chance using a VOX interface (like the Signalink) with the delay button pressed in are you? That would really screw up the timing of FAE400. I haven't experienced the collision problem other than when sigs are really buried in noise. I have also used FAE400 since it was developed and am sure I would have noticed a major issue like this from the outset. One other thing to consider: What speed of PC are you running it on? 73 Sholto K7TMG Thomas Carswell Jr. wrote: Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue is not just a one time thing... and not just on QRP. Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major issue. When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) ..then tell me its not major. I have had 100+ QSO's in this modewith 10-12 diff. ops. BTW..the new PSK-Packet has the same problem. KT4WO On 8/30/09, John Bradley jbrad...@sasktel. net mailto:jbradley%40sasktel.net wrote: I have brought this up to Patrick a few timesI asked for a slottime or some random timer... I think this would solve the problem. This is a MAJOR ISSUE with ALE400. Until this is fixed...ALE400 will never become mainstream I have been fighting this issuse sense ALE400 came out. So far...he has not worked on that..maybe you will have better luck getting him to address this.??!!??! !?? Maybe now that someone other than me and Dave sees this is a problem, Patrick will fix it??? Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue is not just a one time thing... and not just on QRP. Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg)...BUT It IS a major issue. When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) ..then tell me its not major. I have had 100+ QSO's in this modewith 10-12 diff. ops. BTW..the new PSK-Packet has the same problem. KT4WO On 8/30/09, John Bradley jbrad...@sasktel.net wrote: I have brought this up to Patrick a few timesI asked for a slottime or some random timer... I think this would solve the problem. This is a MAJOR ISSUE with ALE400. Until this is fixed...ALE400 will never become mainstream I have been fighting this issuse sense ALE400 came out. So far...he has not worked on that..maybe you will have better luck getting him to address this.??!!??! !?? Maybe now that someone other than me and Dave sees this is a problem, Patrick will fix it??? This is not a MAJOR issue.. Tony , K2M) and I were testing this and found that while we could get ALE400 out of sync under very weak signals . we both had to go QRP, by not typing anything into the buffer for a moment got the signal back without further collisions. Seemed to work well for us. Both using the latest (13th) test version of multipsk, not sure if that has any effect, found at http://f6cte.free.fr/MULTIPSK_TEST_13_08_2009.ZIP http://f6cte.free.fr/MULTIPSK_TEST_13_08_2009.ZIP john VE5MU
Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
I have also used ALE/FAE400 since it was developed ... and no VOX 2.4 pent 4 with gig of ram...or 1 gig pent3 with 512 ram or 800mhz pent 3 with 512 or 1.5 gig ATOM w/1gig ram.4 diff. homebrew interfaces some with xformers..some notIcom IC-718 or Kenwood TS-50 or Kenwood TS450SAT or Kenwood TS-180SHalf-Wave dipoles...160-80-40-30...1/4wave Vert on 30 Over 6,000 digital(HF) QSO's logged in the last 14 years... from the old HAL RTTY interface to the new soundcard modes... Im not a NCPNG that just got on HF/DigiModes last year...LOL... I have been on some type of digi mode for the last 18 years. What I see as a major problem.. you may not...thats cool... but W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months on 80 and 160.he is 40 miles from me. The sync issue..is just that. Its not my radio, interface, antenna, computer...or me..LOL Its great ya'll are not having the issue too offten. But ...When hams try it out for the first time and it loses sync a few times...they will just switch modes and not look back. KT4WO On 8/30/09, Sholto Fisher sho...@probikekit.com wrote: Trip, You're not by any chance using a VOX interface (like the Signalink) with the delay button pressed in are you? That would really screw up the timing of FAE400. I haven't experienced the collision problem other than when sigs are really buried in noise. I have also used FAE400 since it was developed and am sure I would have noticed a major issue like this from the outset. One other thing to consider: What speed of PC are you running it on? 73 Sholto K7TMG Thomas Carswell Jr. wrote: Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue is not just a one time thing... and not just on QRP. Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major issue. When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) ..then tell me its not major. I have had 100+ QSO's in this modewith 10-12 diff. ops. BTW..the new PSK-Packet has the same problem. KT4WO On 8/30/09, John Bradley jbrad...@sasktel. net mailto:jbradley%40sasktel.net wrote: I have brought this up to Patrick a few timesI asked for a slottime or some random timer... I think this would solve the problem. This is a MAJOR ISSUE with ALE400. Until this is fixed...ALE400 will never become mainstream I have been fighting this issuse sense ALE400 came out. So far...he has not worked on that..maybe you will have better luck getting him to address this.??!!??! !?? Maybe now that someone other than me and Dave sees this is a problem, Patrick will fix it??? Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
w4pgh k3gau n4wi wa9hcz ni9y n9fdf k9vu wb8rol ai4cm Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work) Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, somealot more(k3gau,w4pgh) No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost 100 bucks on...lol AgainI love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy. MultiPSK is the ONLY digi software I have paid for...and that says alot for me... Im cheap!!...LOL If it just had a delay kick in when it losses sync...then it could re-sync. One gud static crash and it can lose sync. Look...Im not trin' to be a prick... but we have tried everything...been there, done that kinda thing... Me and Bill gave up on it and now use Olivia or DominoEXmost of the time(75%) it works fine... but that 25% was just too much... and I didnt keep records..it may not be 25%..but it was enuff to frustrate(sp?) us I think if that ONE issue was solved..ALE/FAE400 would be the BEST error free soundcard mode out there!! KT4WO On 8/30/09, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: Thomas, W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months Just a thought here... Your station setup sounds ok, but could it be that W4PGH has a VOX delay on or some other issue? Have you worked anyone else on ALE-400? Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Thomas Carswell Jr. kt4w...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 I have also used ALE/FAE400 since it was developed ... and no VOX 2.4 pent 4 with gig of ram...or 1 gig pent3 with 512 ram or 800mhz pent 3 with 512 or 1.5 gig ATOM w/1gig ram.4 diff. homebrew interfaces some with xformers..some notIcom IC-718 or Kenwood TS-50 or Kenwood TS450SAT or Kenwood TS-180SHalf-Wave dipoles...160-80-40-30...1/4wave Vert on 30 Over 6,000 digital(HF) QSO's logged in the last 14 years... from the old HAL RTTY interface to the new soundcard modes... Im not a NCPNG that just got on HF/DigiModes last year...LOL... I have been on some type of digi mode for the last 18 years. What I see as a major problem.. you may not...thats cool... but W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months on 80 and 160.he is 40 miles from me. The sync issue..is just that. Its not my radio, interface, antenna, computer...or me..LOL Its great ya'll are not having the issue too offten. But ...When hams try it out for the first time and it loses sync a few times...they will just switch modes and not look back. KT4WO On 8/30/09, Sholto Fisher sho...@probikekit.com wrote: Trip, You're not by any chance using a VOX interface (like the Signalink) with the delay button pressed in are you? That would really screw up the timing of FAE400. I haven't experienced the collision problem other than when sigs are really buried in noise. I have also used FAE400 since it was developed and am sure I would have noticed a major issue like this from the outset. One other thing to consider: What speed of PC are you running it on? 73 Sholto K7TMG Thomas Carswell Jr. wrote: Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue is not just a one time thing... and not just on QRP. Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major issue. When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) ..then tell me its not major. I have had 100+ QSO's in this modewith 10-12 diff. ops. BTW..the new PSK-Packet has the same problem. KT4WO On 8/30/09, John Bradley jbrad...@sasktel. net mailto:jbradley%40sasktel.net wrote: I have brought this up to Patrick a few timesI asked for a slottime or some random timer... I think this would solve the problem. This is a MAJOR ISSUE with ALE400. Until this is fixed...ALE400 will never become mainstream I have been fighting this issuse sense ALE400 came out. So far...he has not worked on that..maybe you will have better luck getting him to address this.??!!??! !?? Maybe now that someone other than me and Dave sees this is a problem, Patrick will fix it??? Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
BTW...its not Thomas... name is Trip...Thomas is my dad..lol Trip - KT4WO On 8/30/09, Thomas Carswell Jr. kt4w...@gmail.com wrote: w4pgh k3gau n4wi wa9hcz ni9y n9fdf k9vu wb8rol ai4cm Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work) Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, somealot more(k3gau,w4pgh) No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost 100 bucks on...lol AgainI love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy. MultiPSK is the ONLY digi software I have paid for...and that says alot for me... Im cheap!!...LOL If it just had a delay kick in when it losses sync...then it could re-sync. One gud static crash and it can lose sync. Look...Im not trin' to be a prick... but we have tried everything...been there, done that kinda thing... Me and Bill gave up on it and now use Olivia or DominoEXmost of the time(75%) it works fine... but that 25% was just too much... and I didnt keep records..it may not be 25%..but it was enuff to frustrate(sp?) us I think if that ONE issue was solved..ALE/FAE400 would be the BEST error free soundcard mode out there!! KT4WO On 8/30/09, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: Thomas, W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months Just a thought here... Your station setup sounds ok, but could it be that W4PGH has a VOX delay on or some other issue? Have you worked anyone else on ALE-400? Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Thomas Carswell Jr. kt4w...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 I have also used ALE/FAE400 since it was developed ... and no VOX 2.4 pent 4 with gig of ram...or 1 gig pent3 with 512 ram or 800mhz pent 3 with 512 or 1.5 gig ATOM w/1gig ram.4 diff. homebrew interfaces some with xformers..some notIcom IC-718 or Kenwood TS-50 or Kenwood TS450SAT or Kenwood TS-180SHalf-Wave dipoles...160-80-40-30...1/4wave Vert on 30 Over 6,000 digital(HF) QSO's logged in the last 14 years... from the old HAL RTTY interface to the new soundcard modes... Im not a NCPNG that just got on HF/DigiModes last year...LOL... I have been on some type of digi mode for the last 18 years. What I see as a major problem.. you may not...thats cool... but W4PGH and myself ran this mode 3 to 5 days a week for over 6 months on 80 and 160.he is 40 miles from me. The sync issue..is just that. Its not my radio, interface, antenna, computer...or me..LOL Its great ya'll are not having the issue too offten. But ...When hams try it out for the first time and it loses sync a few times...they will just switch modes and not look back. KT4WO On 8/30/09, Sholto Fisher sho...@probikekit.com wrote: Trip, You're not by any chance using a VOX interface (like the Signalink) with the delay button pressed in are you? That would really screw up the timing of FAE400. I haven't experienced the collision problem other than when sigs are really buried in noise. I have also used FAE400 since it was developed and am sure I would have noticed a major issue like this from the outset. One other thing to consider: What speed of PC are you running it on? 73 Sholto K7TMG Thomas Carswell Jr. wrote: Trust me pal... been using ALE400 from the start...the outa-sync issue is not just a one time thing... and not just on QRP. Im a big fan of ALE400 and MultiPSK(reg) ...BUT,,, , It IS a major issue. When you have had it occur 40-50 times(with 20 over sig.) ..then tell me its not major. I have had 100+ QSO's in this modewith 10-12 diff. ops. BTW..the new PSK-Packet has the same problem. KT4WO On 8/30/09, John Bradley jbrad...@sasktel. net mailto:jbradley%40sasktel.net wrote: I have brought this up to Patrick a few timesI asked for a slottime or some random timer... I think this would solve the problem. This is a MAJOR ISSUE with ALE400. Until this is fixed...ALE400 will never become mainstream I have been fighting this issuse sense ALE400 came out. So far...he has not worked on that..maybe you will have better luck getting him to address this.??!!??! !?? Maybe now that someone other than me and Dave sees this is a problem, Patrick will fix it??? Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
