RE: [digitalradio] Re: Moving ROS forward in the USA?
Hear, hear rgrds Craig kq6i -Original Message- From: AA0OI [mailto:aa...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:52 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Moving ROS forward in the USA? HI: I Just have one question... HOW THE HELL OLD ARE YOU PEOPLE ?!! Grow Up, and let it die..You have all stabbed it enought to kill it 20 times over.. The only problem with this mode is that you all have to run and ask Uncle FCC what do we do , what do we do ? If everyone would just shut the hell up and use the mode and not whine like a 12 year old girl, the FCC would not even know that it existed or EVEN CARE !! Ham Radio is AMATEUR RADIO--- NOT PROFESSIONAL...Some of its use is for EXPERIMENTATION (if not we'd all be using spark-gap radios today !!! So THANKS for screwing ROS up for the rest of us that don't need Big Brothers permission to pee in the night.. And next time a new mode comes out... PLEASE just stay the hell away from it and go do something like PSK31or something else that you already have Permission to use from Uncle Government !! Its better to ask forgiveness,, because you'll never get permission and American : Thomas Jefferson Garrett / AA0OI http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/47.gif From: rein...@ix.netcom.com rein...@ix.netcom.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 2:52:47 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Moving ROS forward in the USA? Skip, I have a lot of respect for you and appreciated every time you emailed me. Honest. Went yesterday through all messages on ROSMODEM and got the idea of some anti biases built in here and there. Almost from day in. You have numerous messages about US ROS use and I sense it. Sure I have a bias the other way, difference though, ROS is not my program. Even more interesting as far as Jose goes I might be his biggest enemy in the universe. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: KH6TY kh...@comcast.net mailto:kh6ty%40comcast.net Sent: Jul 12, 2010 3:04 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Moving ROS forward in the USA? No, the problem is that the spread spectrum variants are mixed in with the others, all inside the ROS program, so any overall approval of ROS, which undiniably includes the non spread-spectrum modes, would accidentally approve the spread-spectrum modes also. I'm sure that the FCC is not that gullible! The only possible avenue to ever using ROS in the US is to file a petition to modify the regulations, just as everyone else has to do. This is the official procedure and I am sure the FCC is not interested in any re-evaluation of ROS, given what has happened and the posting of a false FCC approval. I am tired of all this Graham, so please forgive me if I do not reply any longer to these questions. I have enough to do to keep up with kit orders for my July QST interface and no time to constantly sit in front of this computer. I hope you understand... 73, Skip KH6TY SK On 7/12/2010 10:26 AM, graham787 wrote: That might be a way , what about the MF stations , could they not ask evaluate the MF mode ? There is even a petition for a new band to be allocated 70 MHz (not so new this side) so the process is available. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fourmetres/message/2836 Surely with the advertised technical base , it could be suggested by some one, the 'spirit' of the clause is now compromised by modern technology , and is no longer a valid point, as any attempt to adapt digital noise reduction to hf/vhf data modes will stall I note interest in adding the mode to existing software was expressed at a early point in the proceedings ,those asking could see the advantage first hand . (may of been a Homer S DH moment) it looks however now, if this is perhaps not feasible , there is a DDS interface port , but this only connects the MF mode and is in use in France on 137k ,BW issues? MF takes 98 Hz I think Andy is right , some one needs to address the log jam your side of the pond , this not a issue of a local by law , its a cap on technical development , even stone tablets can be recycled these days... G .. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote: Andy, I have been told by a FCC engineer, part of the evaluation group at the FCC, whom I will not name, that ROS 16 baud and 1 baud has been evaluated in the lab and is spread-spectrum and therefore illegal on HF, not only because the author first said it was spread spectrum and then changed his story. Anyone with DigiPan or any other PSK31 program with a waterfall can verify that the frequency spreading is random and not a function of the data, which is the signature of spread-spectrum. Just because someone feels
RE: [digitalradio] Re: QRM maker on 14.078 CF
http://www.intermar-yachttrack.de/yacht_info/getShipInfo.php?MyCallSign=PA2ALK Blog http://zeilzwerver.blogspot.com/2010/06/luconia.html [Is there no way to contact him?] rgrds Craig kq6i -Original Message- From: jon_g4fut [mailto:jon_g4...@fastmail.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:10 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: QRM maker on 14.078 CF I copied the following this morning from the station causing QRM on 14.760 2010-06-25T11:07Z RTTY @ 14076+2027 PA2ALK;11Ih628u 5.37217;/Y;2010-06-24 12:11:00; Anchored in Hayes Reef Is PA2ALK its callsign? Jon --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, jon_g4fut jon_g4...@... wrote: He is wiping out the weak JT8 and JT65 signals. Is there no way to contact him? --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steinar Aanesland saanes@ wrote: No, he is still on 14.078 sending his WX reports. la5vna Steinar On 24.06.2010 14:31, Warren Moxley wrote: was anyone successful in getting him to move to 14.100 and up? de Warren / K5WGM --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Sean Gilbert, International Editor - WRTH sean.gilbert@ wrote: From: Sean Gilbert, International Editor - WRTH sean.gilbert@ Subject: Re: [digitalradio] QRM maker on 14.078 CF To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 2:59 AM I also noticed this signal yesterday, very strong here in the UK. I have to admit this is the first time I have heard it but that may simply be because I have not been on 14076 at the times it has been active. Surely a station such as this should be further up the band, around 14100 where the rest of the mailboxes and the like seem to be (avoiding 14.100 though as some of us do actually use the beacons there!). That PSKMail station certainly ruined a few QSO's and made the top end of the JT65 activity centre quite useless (I am loathe to say 'sub band' or 'allocation' as that is simply not true - it is neither) . --          73 de Sean Gilbert G4UCJ - G4001SWL - SWLR-ZN018 Buckingham, Bucks. IO92MA Email: sean.gilbert@ Web: http://www.hfradio.org.uk TXR: IC756pro RX2: Racal RA1792 ANT 1: Wellbrook ALA1530 @ 3m agl ANT 2: 10.5m OCF dipole @ 10m agl 30MDG: #0464; #0463L; EPC: #008L; #015L; NDG# 0163 CDG: #150 DMC: #016SWL; #017SWL; #990; PODXS 070: #139 http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Multipsk Signalink and Vista
I assume you mean from the audio out on the rig to the signalink. Yes. If so, control that the sound card appears in the sound card menus. Then select the source in the pseudo-mixer (in fact there is no such mixer as under XP, it is a regression of Vista compared to XP). 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: charles mailto:ac5p...@yahoo.com standlee To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Multipsk Signalink and Vista I assume you mean from the audio out on the rig to the signalink. I've sent in a request to join the group Thanks 73, Chuck AC5PW Once a Marine... ...Always a Marine OOORAHHH ! Saepe Expertus - Semper Fidelis - Fratres Aeterni Often Tested - Always Faithful - Brothers Forever _ From: Patrick Lindecker f6...@free.fr To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Cc: multi...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 2:45:45 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Multipsk Signalink and Vista Hello Chuck, Could you ask the to the Multipsk group. Note: have you connected a jack to the USB sound card input. It is compulsory with Vista 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: ac5pw10 ac5p...@yahoo.com mailto:ac5pw10%40yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:06 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Multipsk Signalink and Vista Can anyone tell me how to setup Multipsk using a signalink USB with Vista?? Tis is driving me crazy 73, Chuck AC5PW http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and spots all in one (resize to suit)Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [digitalradio] Re: A new concept in digital mode....
Ditto rgrds Craig kq6i -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB [mailto:w0...@big-river.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:58 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: A new concept in digital mode I and many others will never touch ALE because of just one woman. It at this time has a bad name among many. http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and spots all in one (resize to suit)Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [digitalradio] K3UK hogwash statement(s) or just a childish adult food fight
Toby MM0TOB Jose gave all Amateurs a gift in my view. My copy was free es latest beta version was free. My payment was improvement suggestions es reports of bugs to Jose. Man what a deal! Jose is not the enemy es never was, but better described as a hero in my book. Giving the hobby a bit of needed hope, shot-in-the-arm for our struggling brotherly existence. Personally, I am envious of José's hard earned telecommunications engineering knowledge, programming skills the end results of his effort. Bravo Jose, well done. [their isn't much room on the bands anyway.] sadly true. My employees, the FCC, are not going to grant Amateurs additional spectrum without some serious prodding by Amateurs es ARRL es powers that be. Amateurs' take a FCC back seat, we are not wealthy corrupt uncaring greedy corporate giants dolling out political favors in the form of greenbacks. My FCC eagerly sleeps with the Amateurs enemy. I believe the FCC see Amateurs as something similar as annoying gum on the bottom of their wingtip shoes on a hot summer day. The FCC could care less whether Amateurs continue to hang around or suddenly disappear tomorrow. The instant we disappear, I predict the FCC displaying glowing devilish dollar sign eyes feverishly scrambling , immediately begin to sell off our hard earned, well deserved, hard earned miniscule es now quite spectrum sliver. The FCC views Amateurs as a road block to multi millions (if not multi billions) to their coffer. Amateurs can rightfully claim they paid dues in full a long time back, the proverbial check was in the mail a century ago, many of Amateurs have more than paid their dues to get to your current Amateur status, could rightfully demand some change ($) back. If it's not to much to expect, perhaps some additional usable, practical spectrum. 1 and/or 2 things need to happen in our favor, (safe to say, longtime overdue) my voice the ARRL (a dues paying member es I donate to the ARRL spectrum fund) needs to locate their cajones es actively, aggressively acquire rightfully owed privileges, (many frequencies collecting dust as world communications move towards reliable satellite communications) those lonely neglected spectrum spots not being actively utilized es wasted. Aggressively hounding the International Telecommunication Union and/or International Amateur Radio Union if required. Frankly, the allocated channelized 60 meters is a slap in the face, amounts to nothing more then table scraps or leftovers. I believe Norway/Bangladesh are not rock bound es times have changed. The second option for favorable, revolution, nothing else will force changes to our genuine legitimate Amateur desires. I guess there is a third consideration, we sit on our proverbial asses *%$ing away whining our lives away, hopeful for a vy unlikely GOD like miracle while holding out both hands to see which fills first. rgrds Craig kq6i Peace, long-life, es gud DX! © P.S. Free advice, Grow up... -Original Message- From: Toby Burnett [mailto:ruff...@hebrides.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:09 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Statement on Withdrawal of Support for ROS (K3UK Sked Pages)
RE: [digitalradio] Spectrum is for ALL users or cheese with ur whine
Jose Hear, hear rgrds Craig kq6i Peace, long-life, es gud DX! C P.S. including 14101 -Original Message- From: nietorosdj [mailto:nietoro...@yahoo.es] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:34 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Spectrum is for ALL users Hi, From 14101 to 14112 is the range legal in the IARU Regions for DIGIMODES until 2700Hz. You cannot use all the spectrum exclusive for you because spectrum is for all hamradio. OLIVIA and ROS have to share frequencies, as well as future modes that will emerge over the coming years. About that Olivia is the only mode that allows errorfree signal transfer at worse conditions,I think you're quite wrong. Best regards, Jose Alberto From: m...@pp.inet.fi To: nieto...@hotmail.com Subject: ROS Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:47:27 +0200 Hi Jose, since today I have observed the signals of your mode on 14.106.0 Mhz. Since 5 years we are using the frequencies 14.108,50, 14.107,50 14.105,50 for Olivia after we have been on different frequencies below 14.100 where other modes have been active. The channels for Olivia are 1000 Hz or 500 Hz wide. Olivia is the only mode that allows errorfree signal transfer at worse conditions. We have daily contacts between EU and the USA on 14.106,50 MHz. For Olivia, channels are used not to disturb each other when you cannot hear signals in the noise. - When a ROS signal appears on the channels it will qrm 3 Olivia channels of 1000 Hz or 5 channels of 500 Hz width. I see a very big problem when we will have collisions between Olivia - which is up to now only disturbed by automatic stations - and ROS mode. From own experiences I know that Olivia, when a pactor signal appears which is stronger by some s-stages, will copy errorfree. In contrary I observed yesterday that a pactor signal of abt the same strength as ROS made ROS transmissions unreadable. You propose also a higher frequency to be used for ROS. This is a good idea as above 14110 MHz here in OH I see only then and when some russian ssb stations, nothing else. To have fun with both modes, I strongly recommend to use NO frequencies below 14.110 MHz for ROS. This will avoid any aggression and any fighting between ROS and Olivia users. I hope you will understand our problems, Best regards, M.Salzwedel, oh/dk4zc
RE: [digitalradio] Re: New ROS Version 2.0.2 beta
http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ -Original Message- From: Chris [mailto:w...@mchsi.com] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:33 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New ROS Version 2.0.2 beta Hi, where do you go to download the software? Thanks--- Bob C WU9Q --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, nietorosdj nietoro...@... wrote: Please download the latest version. Try Hamspots, PSKreporter, and K3UK Sked Page http://www.obriensweb.com/skedpskr4.html Suggesting calling frequencies: Modes 500Hz 3583,7073,14073,18103, 21073,24923, 28123 . Wider modes e.g. Olivia 32/1000, ROS16, ALE: 14109.7088. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [digitalradio] Protected HF frequencies
[I'd suggest that they get 5kHZ of 80M, 60M (yes , 60) , 20, and 10 , no other bands.] ditto, Norway es I think Bangladesh are not cursed to 60M channelized purgatory. Wakeup FCC. rgrds Craig kq6i -Original Message- From: obrienaj [mailto:k3uka...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:51 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Protected HF frequencies Actually John, I am beginning to think that there could be merit in protecting some frequencies for certain use . Maybe the PACTOR, WINMOR, PACKET, ALE, PSKMAIL, unattended stations SHOULD get a small slice of spectrum. They would help in the event of emergencies , and keep the rest of band free of QRM from them. There perhaps could be some threshold to meet in terms of usage and in determining which method is worthy of protecting. I'd suggest that they get 5kHZ of 80M, 60M (yes , 60) , 20, and 10 , no other bands. Andy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@... wrote: At 09:17 AM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Thank you, Steinar, but there have been serious attempts to dominate the HF bands with wideband modes for what is basically a private system use. Do you think Skip that she will ever get it done? I was told not long ago that they (she) was about to ask the FCC to set aside a small part of the band just for their mode. Of course I passed it off as PURE B-S but would not put it passed her to try it. John, W0JAB Louisiana, Missouri Try Hamspots, PSKreporter, and K3UK Sked Page http://www.obriensweb.com/skedpskr4.html Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [digitalradio]ROS band plan
I'm a bit of a rebel. What yard do I play in? Confused, I guess ROS can be found @ 3.600, 7.053, 18.105 or 18.110, 14.080 or 14.101, es 28.300? So guy's/gal's, we fish'n or cutt'n bait? rgrds Craig kq6i -Original Message- From: F.R. Ashley [mailto:gda...@clearwire.net] Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 2:31 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Rethinking digital mode band plans-developing asolution I totally agree Phil, I get micro-mangaged enough at work. 73 Buddy WB4M - Original Message - From: phil williams ka1...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS sound card
Works hr with MicroHAM KEYER II es virtual router 7.6.0. I use COM 6, same as used for HRD/DM-780, wspr, jt65-hf etc. Piece of cake. rgrds Craig kq6i -Original Message- From: lew cason [mailto:lew_j...@att.net] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:53 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS New Mode I run the SignalLink USB and it works with no problems with the ROS software - Original Message -
RE: [digitalradio] ROS
I had to disable Norton antivirus temporally to install hr. Norton considers .exe as evil. But, I use XP pro. Perhaps install using XP mode es disable antivirus software? rgrds Craig kq6i -Original Message- From: Mobile Me [mailto:ugo.dep...@me.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:47 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Cc: jose alberto nieto ros Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS Hi All. I'm trying to install ROS on my pc running windows 7 ultimate (64 bit) but I'm not able to install, it seems to be impossible to do it on this operativ system. Could someone help me ? Best regards and thanks in advance. 73 - Ugo Il 19/02/2010 20:09, jose alberto nieto ros ha scritto: Ah, OK, thats button exit already: Is the button: +BYE De: Glenn L. Roeser hillbillietr...@yahoo.com Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Enviado: vie,19 febrero, 2010 19:47 Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] ROS Hello Jose, It would be similar to one of the other buttons. (Example: The Station Button will fill the text field automatically when clicked with the stations equipment.) The over button would place at the end of the text field: his call de my call K . Then it would stop the transmission. I hope that I explained it better. Could it be used with the Custom button? RenameCustom either Over or End TX? Thank you Jose for this fine mode. Very 73, Glenn (WB2LMV) From: jose alberto nieto ros nietoro...@yahoo. es mailto:nietoro...@yahoo.es To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 12:58:03 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS Hi, Glenn. Could you explain better the over button please. Put an example, please Thank you De: Glenn L. Roeser hillbillietrace@ yahoo.com http://yahoo.com/ Para: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: vie,19 febrero, 2010 14:41 Asunto: [digitalradio] ROS I just had my first QSO using ROS with Vicente (EA1GIH) ...Thank you Vicente!!! I am really impressed with this new mode. My wish is for it to have an over button so that after the text is typed I would be able to press the over button. The over button would place the other stations call + my call K then switch back to receive automatically. Just a suggestion. Very nice mode thank you Jose! Well done. Very 73 to all in the group, Glenn (WB2LMV)
RE: [digitalradio] Re: FCC is not our friend ROS, legal in USA?
The FCC is not our friend, unless you are a well-to-do multimillion-dollar corporate conglomerate. [ROS, legal in USA] I remember as a young tyke, frequently praying for a new bycycle. Eventually realizing this was not to be, I stole a bike, continued praying, only now asking for forgiveness. [Will people fooling around with ROS get dragged to court? Probably not.] wagering slim es none. rgrds Craig kq6i Peace, long-life, es gud DX! -Original Message- From: vinceinwaukesha [mailto:vi...@mulhollon.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 3:52 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA? --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@... wrote: Does anyone have a definition of real spread spectrum? As I hate to think what will happen when/if people with even less knowledge than I have of what 'real' spread spectrum is get the idea that RIO is something that it is actually not and start their inevitable campaign of 'It's illegal, it's immoral and it makes you fat', to use the words of the song... Dave (G0DJA) Well, as a G0 its perfectly acceptable that you don't know. The K's N's W's and A's have no such excuse. Lets check out 47CFR2.201 and see what type of signal ROS is. The first letter is modulation. Clearly its F Frequency modulated. I read the ROS PDF and its basically a 16FSK that has its carrier frequency modulated/wiggled in a peculiar pattern. The number is nature of signal(s) modulating the main carrier. Clearly its 2, A single channel containing quantized or digital information with the use of a modulating sub-carrier, excluding time-division multiplex. That sub-carrier is the 16FSK, which thankfully (?) isn't TDM data. The second letter is type of information to be transmitted. Well, obviously that is D for data. We're not sending E voice or A telegraph or whatever here. So, the overall FCC Emission designator would pretty obviously be F2D. Where can we run F2D? First, hit FCC 97.305(c) authorized emission types table. The FCC says SS only on 222 and up. I have no idea what inspires people to publically claim you can only run SS on 432 and up, as 97.305(c) explicitly permits it on 222 and up. For another example, on 30M we can do RTTY or DATA. How does DATA or RTTY or SS or PULSE relate to emissions designators? The FCC helpfully defines that in 97.3(c) To qualify as SS all it needs per 97.3(c)(8) is Spread-spectrum emissions using bandwidth-expansion modulation emissions having designators with A, C, D, F, G, H, J or R as the first symbol; X as the second symbol; X as the third symbol. F2D doesn't seem to match the def of SS. To qualify as DATA all it needs per 97.3(c)(2) is Telemetry, telecommand and computer communications emissions having (i) designators with A, C, D, F, G, H, J or R as the first symbol, 1 as the second symbol, and D as the third symbol; (ii) emission J2D; and (iii) emissions A1C, F1C, F2C, J2C, and J3C having an occupied bandwidth of 500 Hz or less when transmitted on an amateur service frequency below 30 MHz. Only a digital code of a type specifically authorized in this part may be transmitted. F2D doesn't seem to match the def of DATA. Looks like USA folks can't transmit ROS at all, on any band. Ooops. Will people fooling around with ROS get dragged to court? Probably not. See 97.305(b) A station may transmit a test emission on any frequency authorized to the control operator for brief periods for experimental purposes, except that ... (essentially no SS or pulse where not otherwise permitted). So, fooling around for testing and experimentation of a new mode is well within the law by this exception. Running a contest, a regular schedule, a formal net, DXing, QSL card collecting, county hunting, or extensive ragchewing would be strictly verboten under 97.305(b). The key is doing it in a documented manner as an experiment, like as a research experiment or an article for QEX. Realize that big brother can deprive you of your life and liberty at any time for any reason, its not as if a rule prevents that, it just claims Big Bro won't do it, and politicians never lie... In summary, the problem seems to be FM modulating the carrier of the 16FSK. 73 de Vince N9NFB
