Re: [digitalradio] Estimating multipath delays using Hellschreiber

2010-01-28 Thread John Becker, WØJAB

the last time I seem a real good multi path was back in the 19080's
while using amtor. really made a mess of things.

I would not mind getting looking into that again with all
the good software we now have.

Of course back then when I would talk about it the would ask 
me if I have been smoking that  stuff  again.

got my interest up !

John



[digitalradio] Estimating multipath delays using Hellschreiber

2010-01-27 Thread Tony
All,

I've been studying Hellschreiber screenshots to estimate 
multipath delay. Delayed echoes via the ionosphere show up 
in the pixels that make up the vertical part of each Hell 
mode character i.e., letters appear as though they were 
printed twice with one slightly above the other. The 
location of the secondary print depends on how long the 
delay is.

It's my understanding that each vertical axis pixel takes 
4ms to print, so a delayed echo of the same duration should 
cause an additional pixel to appear just above the last one 
at the top of the character. An 8ms delay would print 2 
pixel spaces above and so on.

Audio editors should be able to reveal multipath echoe delay 
times with greater accuracy. Recorded Hell mode signals can 
be played back and observed visually to find characters that 
show multipath characteristics. The time difference between 
the main signal pulse and the delayed pulse can then be 
measured in ms.

I understand the basic concept of how Hellschreiber works, 
but my interpretation of all this could throw-off everything 
I've just said ;  )

Comments welcome...

Tony -K2MO

PS: Screenshots of any Hell mode QSO's that exhibit 
multipath characteristic, especially NVIS contacts, would be 
appreciated.