Re: [digitalradio] I Should Know The Answer - Confused Myself

2006-06-21 Thread KV9U
Kevin,

RTTY is data, but they often will use the term "data" to mean any other 
digital mode including packet.

Data modes are not permitted on most HF SSB voice frequencies ... unless 
the data is "image." The one exception is on 160 meters where it is 
theoretically possible to do this although bandplans may not support 
doing it.

Image in our voice frequencies is one of those things that happened due 
to historical reasons. Since it was not possible to transmit the images 
without using analog voice bandwidth,  the image modes were placed in 
the voice frequencies. I seem to recall that this was initially in the 
Advanced Class voice frequencies. In more recent time, image was 
permitted on any voice frequency.

By the same absurd logic, it was not considered data when sending data 
that included images. Some felt that the FCC would never actually cite 
anyone for sending images in the data mode frequencies but it really did 
stop further experimentation. Some may remember when Peter, TY1PS 
developed a neat Clover II program that would do this very thing when 
you connected and that was maybe 20 years ago? I think it was called 
Express and would display a thumbnail picture. He also sent the first 
digitized music from Africa to the U.S. on the ham bands.

The data format, e.g., MFSK, PSK, FSK, does not necessarily reflect the 
type of data being sent.

73,

Rick, KV9U




Kevin der Kinderen wrote:

>Be kind... sometimes I make the simplest things complicated. There are two
>questions here...
>
>I was working on bands.ini for MixW using the US Amateur Bands sheet from
>the ARRL. I have never noticed this before... are data (digital) modes not
>permitted in the SSB sub bands?
>
>For instance:
>7000 - 7150 = CW, RTTY and data (I thought RTTY was data)
>7150 - 7300 = CW, phone and image (no data modes allowed here?)
>
>I had been told in the past that it is not permitted for U.S. hams to
>transfer pictures using MFSK from 7000 - 7150 but it is permissable above
>7150. So MFSK is data or image or ... ya, content based regulation has me
>confused?
>
>Again, be kind. I pigeon hole my operations into the generally accepted sub
>bands and kind of lost track of what the regulations actually say or mean.
>
>73,
>Kevin - K4VD
>
>  
>



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[digitalradio] I Should Know The Answer - Confused Myself

2006-06-21 Thread Kevin der Kinderen
Be kind... sometimes I make the simplest things complicated. There are two
questions here...

I was working on bands.ini for MixW using the US Amateur Bands sheet from
the ARRL. I have never noticed this before... are data (digital) modes not
permitted in the SSB sub bands?

For instance:
7000 - 7150 = CW, RTTY and data (I thought RTTY was data)
7150 - 7300 = CW, phone and image (no data modes allowed here?)

I had been told in the past that it is not permitted for U.S. hams to
transfer pictures using MFSK from 7000 - 7150 but it is permissable above
7150. So MFSK is data or image or ... ya, content based regulation has me
confused?

Again, be kind. I pigeon hole my operations into the generally accepted sub
bands and kind of lost track of what the regulations actually say or mean.

73,
Kevin - K4VD


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