Re: [digitalradio] Icom - new radio add in QST

2006-02-25 Thread KV9U
Jerry has some good points and questions. The ICOM ad has to be the 
worst ad I have ever seen in an amateur radio magazine. What were they 
thinking? They need to produce a quality ad that draws people in rather 
than push them away. They need to explain why their stuff is the stuff 
to get. They did not do that.

Thus far ICOM has been the only company promoting the D-Star open 
standard that was developed in Japan. You need competition to insure 
that this equipment is going to be available for the long term and get 
the prices down to amateur pricing. But in order to have anyone buy such 
products, they need to be able to do something that can not be done now, 
and for the most part, must be able to at least meet current technology 
with all other attributes of the product with existing products. I am 
not sure that D-Star can do this. The speed is not very  fast compared 
to WiFi and with WiMax type equipment available, I wonder if its time 
has already come and gone due to the rapid advance of technology?

The 2 meter and 440 D-Star equipment has very slow digital capability so 
it does not seem to be able to improve what we already have. The 1.2 gig 
equipment can not compete against 2 meter and 440 equipment for range 
based upon published tests. Also, I understand that the audio quality is 
digital sounding and not quite as good as conventional analog. The 
repeaters and controller equipment are out of sight for cost and don't 
really do a lot more than we can already do with IRLP and Echolink using 
conventional equipment for nearly no cost at all.

One of the methods that I use to roughly gauge the popularity of various 
modes/equipment is to observe the number of reviews on eham. The 
WIRES-II system appears moribund since it tries to do something already 
done with existing systems.

D-Star has all 5 ratings but only three reviews and the last review was 
1 and 1/2 YEARS ago! That pretty much tells you how popular this system 
... isn't.

For new technologies to succeed in the market place, they have to have 
clear advantages over existing systems with no down sides. As an 
example, when packet radio came along, it was so much better than VHF 
RTTY running through a regenerative repeater that it was adopted 
quickly. Not to mention it was very low cost too. It had so many 
advantages, such as digipeating, mailboxes, etc.

What are the advantages of D-Star? For those of us who like to be just 
back of the knee of the curve of the bleeding edge it does not seem to 
offer many benefits that we don't already have and it has some inferior 
characteristics compared to existing technologies. I can not imagine 
ever using it in our area for mobile voice since it would not work 
anywhere near as well as what we have now.

By the way, considering all the new technician class hams, why is there 
such a minimal use of repeaters? Clearly, the new entrants can not be 
using their license and this greatly concerns me. Also, considering the 
huge numbers of VHF only hams, and the proliferation of rigs with 
multimode/VHF/UHF capabilities, how can it be that there is almost no 
activities on these frequencies?

73,

Rick, KV9U



Jerry W wrote:

 In QST March 2006, pages 129 to 136 Icom is promoting their new
 radios.  The ad starts on page 129 with a Vulture sitting on a
 tombstone (R.I.P.) and titled Some say this is the future of amateur
 radio. (Scare tactics?)

 The Icom IC-7000 looks like a remake of the IC-706 series, it might sell?

 The PRC1500 receiver looks interesting with either remote head or PC
 interface.

 The D-STAR series, 1.2 GHz voice repeater, 1.2 GHz data repeater, 2
 meter digital voice repeater, 70 cm digital voice repeater.  Of course
 one would also need new mobile transcievers to work with D-STAR
 repeaters.  That could be quite an expensive undertaking. I wonder how
 many clubs and individuals will be considering converting over to
 D-STAR? Soon or will it take some years to fully implement or will
 this die due to cost of purchasing new repeaters and radios?

 Have heard of one local club considering D-STAR but they would also
 like to keep the current two meter and 70 cm FM repeaters going for
 some years which are in need of replacement. A large amount of funds
 would be needed to implement both.  There are 32 two meter repeaters
 listed for the twin city Minnesota area.  Not very many are actively
 used.  Some repeater clubs also have 70 cm repeaters, very rare that
 any one of those are used.  Think the 3M club has a 1.2 GHz repeater,
 but do not know of very many users. There are about four 220 repeaters
 that I hear. I have called and called on them, I can kerchunk them
 but no one comes back to me, never hear anything other than the CW ID
 on them, why are they there?

 Then localy Radio City, Inc. has WIRES-II with a Yaesu radio set up
 going in the store. So that would mean one would need another new
 radio besides D-STAR.  Is the WIRES-II new mode going to be a success?

[digitalradio] Icom - new radio add in QST

2006-02-24 Thread Jerry W
In QST March 2006, pages 129 to 136 Icom is promoting their new
radios.  The ad starts on page 129 with a Vulture sitting on a
tombstone (R.I.P.) and titled Some say this is the future of amateur
radio. (Scare tactics?)

The Icom IC-7000 looks like a remake of the IC-706 series, it might sell?

The PRC1500 receiver looks interesting with either remote head or PC
interface.

The D-STAR series, 1.2 GHz voice repeater, 1.2 GHz data repeater, 2
meter digital voice repeater, 70 cm digital voice repeater.  Of course
one would also need new mobile transcievers to work with D-STAR
repeaters.  That could be quite an expensive undertaking. I wonder how
many clubs and individuals will be considering converting over to
D-STAR? Soon or will it take some years to fully implement or will
this die due to cost of purchasing new repeaters and radios?

Have heard of one local club considering D-STAR but they would also
like to keep the current two meter and 70 cm FM repeaters going for
some years which are in need of replacement. A large amount of funds
would be needed to implement both.  There are 32 two meter repeaters
listed for the twin city Minnesota area.  Not very many are actively
used.  Some repeater clubs also have 70 cm repeaters, very rare that
any one of those are used.  Think the 3M club has a 1.2 GHz repeater,
but do not know of very many users. There are about four 220 repeaters
that I hear. I have called and called on them, I can kerchunk them
but no one comes back to me, never hear anything other than the CW ID
on them, why are they there?

Then localy Radio City, Inc. has WIRES-II with a Yaesu radio set up
going in the store. So that would mean one would need another new
radio besides D-STAR.  Is the WIRES-II new mode going to be a success?
 Or will it die due to cost of purchasing new radios?

Two meter, 70 cm and 220 FM mobile has died due to cell phone use and
more concentration needed in driving on today's busy roads for the
most part IMHO.  Very few hams fire up the two meter rig at home,
except maybe for emergency use on Skywarn or to check into a weekly
club net. Are these new radios going to sell?

Jerry -  K0HZI





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Re: [digitalradio] Icom - new radio add in QST

2006-02-24 Thread Alan NV8A
A. Icom has said that they do not intend to discontinue the 706. We 
shall see.

B. People have complained that the microphone supplied with the 706 did 
*not* have DTMF capabilities. You just can't please everybody.

Alan NV8A


On 02/24/06 04:37 pm Danny Douglas wrote:

 It escaped me that the 7000 was probably a replaclement for the 706.  It
 wont replace mine though.  What a ugly bunch of buttons on the microphone,
 which is almost as large as the rig itself.  I have had one radio with
 buttons like that, and wont have another.


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