[digitalradio] JT65A reports
There seems to be a difference btween reporting systems between the US system and the European system on terrestrial JT65A contacts. Can anyone explain to me when a contact is 'valid' between two stations using the two different systems please? For example, I received the following today (callsigns obscured to not cause offence) on 20M 163700 12 -2 0.05 4 * CQ EA*** JM**1 0 163900 10 -5 0.15 3 * G0DJA EA*** JM** 1 0 164100 6 -6 0.05 3 * G0DJA EA*** 1 0 164300 10 -15 4 3 RRR ? That was it, no report, not even OOOs. I was using what, in the guide, says is the European standard of sending the received dB signal strength, but the EA station was using the US version, appart from no OOO. A quick read through the excellent Bozos guide gave me the clue that the other station was double left clicking on callsigns (US system reports)and I am double right clicking (Eu system reports). Now, two questions occur to me at this point. 1. Is my EA contact 'good' or 'incomplete' and 2. What's going to happen when US stations and Eu stations work each other? I wonder why two reporting systems were created for terrestrial JT65A? My guess is that the US one will win out anyway, as that just seems to be the way these things go and left clicking is more the norm than right anyway, so why the alternative systems? Also, whilst I'm asking questions, why does double right clicking automatically turn Auto TX to ON? If you are not careful, and want to pre-load a callsign to call at the end of an existing QSO, you end up accidentally TXing over the top of the person working the station you want to have a go at next. This seems a bit like poor operating and it's not untill you do it for the first time that you realise what's happening... Thanks for any help with these problems I'm having - Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] JT65A reports
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was it, no report, not even OOOs. I was using what, in the guide, says is the European standard of sending the received dB signal strength, but the EA station was using the US version, appart from no OOO. Sorry, my mistake, I missread the guide. Seems that OOOs are the old system and dB reports are the new. Not US/EU. However, there still remains the problem of letting people know that they have not sent a report. Dave (G0DJA)
RE: [digitalradio] JT65A reports
Hi Dave, Actually what you describe is EME reports as opposed to Terrestrial reports. The OOO and RO are used for EME but are also the defaults in so much as the JT65 modes were initially mainly used on EME. Either will constitute a good contact as long as RRR is exchanged. The 73 exchange is not required for either EME or Terrestrial and is really just a courtesy. Usually you will see new stations both in EU and the US using the EME protocol until they have gained some experience and or someone has explained how to send terrestrial signal reports. Hope this helps. 73, Barry VE3CDX/W7 _ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:24 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] JT65A reports There seems to be a difference btween reporting systems between the US system and the European system on terrestrial JT65A contacts. Can anyone explain to me when a contact is 'valid' between two stations using the two different systems please? For example, I received the following today (callsigns obscured to not cause offence) on 20M 163700 12 -2 0.0 5 4 * CQ EA*** JM** 1 0 163900 10 -5 0.1 5 3 * G0DJA EA*** JM** 1 0 164100 6 -6 0.0 5 3 * G0DJA EA*** 1 0 164300 10 -15 4 3 RRR ? That was it, no report, not even OOOs. I was using what, in the guide, says is the European standard of sending the received dB signal strength, but the EA station was using the US version, appart from no OOO. A quick read through the excellent Bozos guide gave me the clue that the other station was double left clicking on callsigns (US system reports)and I am double right clicking (Eu system reports). Now, two questions occur to me at this point. 1. Is my EA contact 'good' or 'incomplete' and 2. What's going to happen when US stations and Eu stations work each other? I wonder why two reporting systems were created for terrestrial JT65A? My guess is that the US one will win out anyway, as that just seems to be the way these things go and left clicking is more the norm than right anyway, so why the alternative systems? Also, whilst I'm asking questions, why does double right clicking automatically turn Auto TX to ON? If you are not careful, and want to pre-load a callsign to call at the end of an existing QSO, you end up accidentally TXing over the top of the person working the station you want to have a go at next. This seems a bit like poor operating and it's not untill you do it for the first time that you realise what's happening... Thanks for any help with these problems I'm having - Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] JT65A reports
Hey Barry, Happy New Year.. Where are you camped out now? Not much new here, still sticking in TXs and stuff like that with Paul PQ... Will be in AZ next month I think.. Len
Re: [digitalradio] JT65A reports
Barry Garratt wrote: Hi Dave, Actually what you describe is EME reports as opposed to Terrestrial reports. The OOO and RO are used for EME but are also the defaults in so much as the JT65 modes were initially mainly used on EME. Either will constitute a good contact as long as RRR is exchanged. The 73 exchange is not required for either EME or Terrestrial and is really just a courtesy. Usually you will see new stations both in EU and the US using the EME protocol until they have gained some experience and or someone has explained how to send terrestrial signal reports. Hope this helps. 73, Barry VE3CDX/W7 *From:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:24 AM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [digitalradio] JT65A reports There seems to be a difference btween reporting systems between the US system and the European system on terrestrial JT65A contacts. Can anyone explain to me when a contact is 'valid' between two stations using the two different systems please? For example, I received the following today (callsigns obscured to not cause offence) on 20M 163700 12 -2 0.0 5 4 * CQ EA*** JM** 1 0 163900 10 -5 0.1 5 3 * G0DJA EA*** JM** 1 0 164100 6 -6 0.0 5 3 * G0DJA EA*** 1 0 164300 10 -15 4 3 RRR ? That was it, no report, not even OOOs. I was using what, in the guide, says is the European standard of sending the received dB signal strength, but the EA station was using the US version, appart from no OOO. A quick read through the excellent Bozos guide gave me the clue that the other station was double left clicking on callsigns (US system reports)and I am double right clicking (Eu system reports). Now, two questions occur to me at this point. 1. Is my EA contact 'good' or 'incomplete' and 2. What's going to happen when US stations and Eu stations work each other? I wonder why two reporting systems were created for terrestrial JT65A? My guess is that the US one will win out anyway, as that just seems to be the way these things go and left clicking is more the norm than right anyway, so why the alternative systems? Also, whilst I'm asking questions, why does double right clicking automatically turn Auto TX to ON? If you are not careful, and want to pre-load a callsign to call at the end of an existing QSO, you end up accidentally TXing over the top of the person working the station you want to have a go at next. This seems a bit like poor operating and it's not untill you do it for the first time that you realise what's happening... Thanks for any help with these problems I'm having - Dave (G0DJA) Hi Barry..as far as i can tell the 73 exchange is still needed for a complete contact. look in WSJT 6 Help Examples of minimal JT65 QSO's and both styles of EME and Terrestial are shown.i understand there has been some talk about this with Joe Taylor and his statement is that the minimal shown is the way that it always has been on CW or SSB some ops are very fussy about the 73 and ive had them send it several times until they get a 73 reply. hope to work you one day on JT65A 20 or 30 m 73 David VK4BDJ
RE: [digitalradio] JT65A reports
G'Day David, Well it can be a bit confusing I suppose in whether 73 is needed or not. I think you will find a lot of stations will consider the contact good once RRR has been received. The help file for WSJT states this if you hit F5. That said if you look at the examples of a minimal QSO for JT65 it shows 73. I guess it is an operator choice in the long run. I usually send it unless the signal is very weak, during a pileup on VHF or lack of meteors on MS. Have a great day! 73, Barry VE3CDX/W7 DM26ic _ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:10 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65A reports Barry Garratt wrote: Hi Dave, Actually what you describe is EME reports as opposed to Terrestrial reports. The OOO and RO are used for EME but are also the defaults in so much as the JT65 modes were initially mainly used on EME. Either will constitute a good contact as long as RRR is exchanged. The 73 exchange is not required for either EME or Terrestrial and is really just a courtesy. Usually you will see new stations both in EU and the US using the EME protocol until they have gained some experience and or someone has explained how to send terrestrial signal reports. Hope this helps. 73, Barry VE3CDX/W7 _ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:24 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] JT65A reports There seems to be a difference btween reporting systems between the US system and the European system on terrestrial JT65A contacts. Can anyone explain to me when a contact is 'valid' between two stations using the two different systems please? For example, I received the following today (callsigns obscured to not cause offence) on 20M 163700 12 -2 0.0 5 4 * CQ EA*** JM** 1 0 163900 10 -5 0.1 5 3 * G0DJA EA*** JM** 1 0 164100 6 -6 0.0 5 3 * G0DJA EA*** 1 0 164300 10 -15 4 3 RRR ? That was it, no report, not even OOOs. I was using what, in the guide, says is the European standard of sending the received dB signal strength, but the EA station was using the US version, appart from no OOO. A quick read through the excellent Bozos guide gave me the clue that the other station was double left clicking on callsigns (US system reports)and I am double right clicking (Eu system reports). Now, two questions occur to me at this point. 1. Is my EA contact 'good' or 'incomplete' and 2. What's going to happen when US stations and Eu stations work each other? I wonder why two reporting systems were created for terrestrial JT65A? My guess is that the US one will win out anyway, as that just seems to be the way these things go and left clicking is more the norm than right anyway, so why the alternative systems? Also, whilst I'm asking questions, why does double right clicking automatically turn Auto TX to ON? If you are not careful, and want to pre-load a callsign to call at the end of an existing QSO, you end up accidentally TXing over the top of the person working the station you want to have a go at next. This seems a bit like poor operating and it's not untill you do it for the first time that you realise what's happening... Thanks for any help with these problems I'm having - Dave (G0DJA) Hi Barry..as far as i can tell the 73 exchange is still needed for a complete contact. look in WSJT 6 Help Examples of minimal JT65 QSO's and both styles of EME and Terrestial are shown.i understand there has been some talk about this with Joe Taylor and his statement is that the minimal shown is the way that it always has been on CW or SSB some ops are very fussy about the 73 and ive had them send it several times until they get a 73 reply. hope to work you one day on JT65A 20 or 30 m 73 David VK4BDJ
