[digitalradio] Re: 7070 and 14070 - was - 3580kHz-3600kHz Freq Coordination Info

2007-03-08 Thread Dave Bernstein
There's nothing in my post that would prevent a ham at sea from using 
*any* mode of ham radio to get a message back home. 

My specific objection is to protocols like WinLink that transmit 
without listening, and therefore QRM existing QSOs. Other than during 
emergencies, no ham has the right to to QRM an ongoing QSO -- whether 
they be at sea, in the air, or climbing Olympus Mons. Any amateur who 
respects his or her peers should avoid WinLink like the plague -- 
except during emergencies.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ



--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Nice try Dave but I'm not buying that.
> Again playing Devil's Advocate here.
> Why should a ham at sea be forced to not use  *any* 
> mode of ham radio to get a message back home?
> 
> At 08:16 PM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> >Because we forget that WinLink PMBOs have permanent ownership of 
> >whatever frequencies they choose. Fortunately we now have the world 
> >wide web where such permanent allocations can be published, leaving 
> >no excuse for the ignorant keyboard-to-keyboard operator to 
> >unwittingly wander onto one of those 5-lane interstates owned by 
> >WinLink. At the rate they're paving over what's left of the 80m data 
> >band, the rules will be very easy to remember: no keyboard-to-
> >keyboard operation on 80m.
>




Re: [digitalradio] Re: 7070 and 14070 - was - 3580kHz-3600kHz Freq Coordination Info

2007-03-08 Thread John Becker
Nice try Dave but I'm not buying that.
Again playing Devil's Advocate here.
Why should a ham at sea be forced to not use  *any* 
mode of ham radio to get a message back home?

At 08:16 PM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
>Because we forget that WinLink PMBOs have permanent ownership of 
>whatever frequencies they choose. Fortunately we now have the world 
>wide web where such permanent allocations can be published, leaving 
>no excuse for the ignorant keyboard-to-keyboard operator to 
>unwittingly wander onto one of those 5-lane interstates owned by 
>WinLink. At the rate they're paving over what's left of the 80m data 
>band, the rules will be very easy to remember: no keyboard-to-
>keyboard operation on 80m.



















[digitalradio] Re: 7070 and 14070 - was - 3580kHz-3600kHz Freq Coordination Info

2007-03-08 Thread Dave Bernstein
Because we forget that WinLink PMBOs have permanent ownership of 
whatever frequencies they choose. Fortunately we now have the world 
wide web where such permanent allocations can be published, leaving 
no excuse for the ignorant keyboard-to-keyboard operator to 
unwittingly wander onto one of those 5-lane interstates owned by 
WinLink. At the rate they're paving over what's left of the 80m data 
band, the rules will be very easy to remember: no keyboard-to-
keyboard operation on 80m.
 
   73,

  Dave, AA6YQ

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok playing Devil's Advocate here.
> why in the world would the PSK pick 070 any knowing that 
> has was used for years and years for the auto pactor station
> It's like play tag in a 5 lane interstate.
> 
> This one I'll never understand.
> 
> 
> At 07:49 PM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> >The above is the best example of turning the facts on their head, 
180 
> >degrees around,  that I have heard in some time.  The fact is, the 
> >automated Pactor stations are the ones who have consistently 
refused to 
> >operate in their own subband, and have instead insisted on sharing 
all 
> >of the freqs generally used (first!) by the keyboard-to-keyboard 
modes.  
> >If the Pactor stations had been willing to stay up in the old 
Packet 
> >segment, no one would go up there and they would probably have it 
all to 
> >themselves.  But no, they have always insisted on also working 
down 
> >around 7070 and 14070 for example, to our infinite harm.
> >
> >de Roger W6VZV
>