Re: [digitalradio] Re: A Beginner's Look at Ham Radio's Digital Future with Jeff Reinhart, AA6JR

2007-09-03 Thread bruce mallon
BONNY YOU CANNOT AND YOU KNOW IT .GET OFF IT OR
WHY WOULD THEY BE TRING TO CHANGE THE RULES 

YOU ARE 1%OF ALL HAMS AND IT'S YOU AND THOES LIKE YOU
THAT GIVE DIGITAL A BAD NAME  You cannot even draw
people to the bands you have BUT you want more bands ?

Note HER others running digital SHE is the reason the
wideband digital bunch is being watched ..

THEY DON'T CARE WHO THEY HURT IT;S THEIR BANDS TO
DISTROY THEY WANT ALL BANDS  Just ask them 

--- expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What's the problem, Bruce? 
 Under current FCC rules, we can run 100kHz bandwidth
 data on most HF
 bands if we want to.
 
 Bonnie KQ6XA
 
 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, bruce mallon
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  If the ARRL wants to start another fire storm push
  that 100 khz wide on 6 and 2 meters stuff again
  
 
 



   

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[digitalradio] Re: A Beginner's Look at Ham Radio's Digital Future with Jeff Reinhart, AA6JR

2007-09-03 Thread expeditionradio
Hi Bruce,

You will find that your FCC presently has no finite bandwidth limit
for ham radio data on HF. Yes, indeed, you can use 100kHz bandwidth
data on HF under the present rules!

It would be best to avoid believing the wild internet rumors started
by ham radio's feuding foes.

You complain about ARRL, but in fact, their FCC bandwidth proposal
actually set a bandwidth limit for HF data where NO BANDWIDTH LIMIT
has existed. 

Perhaps hams like you in USA, don't see a need for a bandwidth limit
for HF data. Thats fine... you are keeping the door open for wonderful
nightly QSOs on 40 meters using 125 kHz bandwidth OFDM, or possibly
2056-tone MFSK. As a matter of perspective, 10kHz bandwidth data now
seems quite narrow compared to these new modes, doesn't it.

Well, Bruce, you asked for no regulation by bandwidth. Be careful
what you ask for... looks like you got it. 

Bonnie KQ6XA

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 BONNY YOU CANNOT AND YOU KNOW IT .GET OFF IT OR
 WHY WOULD THEY BE TRING TO CHANGE THE RULES  
 --- expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  What's the problem, Bruce? 
  Under current FCC rules, we can run 100kHz bandwidth
  data on most HF
  bands if we want to.
  
  Bonnie KQ6XA 




Re: [digitalradio] Re: A Beginner's Look at Ham Radio's Digital Future with Jeff Reinhart, AA6JR

2007-09-03 Thread bruce mallon
Rick 

No legacy mode user has a problem with using a spark
gap if the bandwidth is within the current rules. MANY
like myself have a interest in some forms of DIGITAL
and I myself run some PSK-31.

This is not a digital/legacy mode fight but to prevent
a elite bunch which is under 1,000 HAMS from
DESTROYING large parts of VHF/HF for there OWN gain.
They even proposed allowing 90% of both 6 and 2 meters
to be used for this wide band disaster ... O but all
the rest of us could still have 300 kHz per band 
. well 200 since the first 100 is CW only ...

I work on ICOM RADIOS WE HAVE 2,000 of them at work.
I would like to see D-Star grow and become part of 2
and 440 repeater bands THIS WILL TAKE A LONG TIME
.
TOO BAD THEY DID NOT THINK OF POOR 219 MHz which sits
there UNUSED... I know JAPAN does not have 220 but WE
DO .

FACT is no reason to allow wide band users below 219
MHz are not using what they already have ...

As a LONG TIME user of VHF and it being my job since
the ARMY in the 1960's I have seen what the lower end
of the IQ scale can do even on SSB and that's 3 kHz
wide NO THANKS no one I know wants to see 100 kHz wide
radios in the hands of the same class of user. The
idea they this low end would not crank it up to 100
kHz wide and wreck havoc just does not follow history
if its LEGAL there will be hard core users bent on
running any other modes off   and NO i do not
believe any talk of lissing before transmitting AIN'T
going to happen.

AGAIN THIS DOES NOT INVOLVE NARROW BAND DIGITAL !
Yep we don't need them on ANY VHF BAND and
particularly WORLD WIDE BANDS like 6 or even 10
meters.


Do we believe the  ARRL . SHURE  after 40
years as a member they have not changed  look at the
late 60's ask those who got burned by the license
changed the league pushed through back 40 years ago
again the members were bypassed ..

D-Star sounds to me as a start but the problem is the
need to have a digital standard a PLUG and PLAY system
so those of us who want to add it can without buying
new radios . THEN you will see it really start to
grow  Right now we have almost ZIP in tampabay
. for now .




--- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bruce,
 
 I agree that Bonnie has made some very unfortunate
 and some would say, 
 extreme comments in the past and some of us look
 upon her claims of what 
 is legal with some suspicion. But the reason that
 ARRL proposed changes 
 to the regulation to restrict bandwidth was
 precisely because current 
 FCC rules are very loose and most of what we do
 falls under the general 
 concept of good amateur practices.
 
 Under current rules, we base the use of sub bands on
 the mode and the 
 content of the information. Lower down we have the
 text data areas (also 
 typically used for CW, but would not necessarily
 have to), then it 
 switches to voice/image/cw on most HF bands.
 
 ARRL did an absolutely horrible job of explaining
 their proposal to the 
 rank and file radio amateurs who probably make up
 close to 99% of the 
 total active operating. Many hams viewed this as a
 way to force digital 
 voice and wide bandwidth (voice bandwidth) text
 digital modes (read 
 Pactor 3) on the voice bands. Especially because of
 the unethical way 
 that the ARRL packed the Digital Committee that
 promoted Winlink2000. 
 Whether you support Winlink2000 or not, the insuring
 of a given outcome, 
 and completely short circuiting the democratic
 process of fair 
 representation was a sad day for ARRL and hurt them
 severely with many 
 of the more thoughtful and reasonable hams. (After
 all, the inventor of 
 both AMTOR and PSK31 resigned under protest from the
 committee when he 
 realized what was going to happen).
 
 I am not sure if the average ham understood that we
 could already use DV 
 in the voice /image portions of the bands. And once
 you allow that, how 
 could you even tell by ear if the person was sending
 voice, data, or 
 image if using a multipurpose waveform?
 
 If you read Dave Sumner's editorial, he pointed out
 that just because 
 the FCC changes the rules and allows certain
 bandwidths in a given area 
 of the band, it does not necessarily mean that the
 ARRL would support 
 the concept that any mode can be used with that
 bandwidth. His point was 
 that Band Plans would specify what modes and content
 are appropriate for 
 specific frequencies and that DV would not
 necessarily be permitted in 
 areas of analog voice. And certainly not text
 digital in analog voice areas.
 
 This is not what I personally want. My preference is
 to allow mixed 
 modes in certain overlapping areas, but it appears
 that very few support 
 this. Under current rules, DV can be used in any
 analog voice area, 
 because it is voice. So can image/SSTV/FAX. But
 unfortunately not text 
 digital. This means that we can not coordinate with
 voice as the SSTV 
 hams do, when we want to experiment with a text
 digital mode, even a 
 wide text digital mode.
 
 

[digitalradio] Re: A Beginner's Look at Ham Radio's Digital Future with Jeff Reinhart, AA6JR

2007-09-02 Thread expeditionradio
What's the problem, Bruce? 
Under current FCC rules, we can run 100kHz bandwidth data on most HF
bands if we want to.

Bonnie KQ6XA

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If the ARRL wants to start another fire storm push
 that 100 khz wide on 6 and 2 meters stuff again