[digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
Bob et all, One of the issues concerns band plans. The ARRL proposed a 160 meter bandplan a few years ago which included 1800-1810 kc for digital modes. Just a few nights ago W3UR Bernie McClenny who has the How's DX column in QST appointed himself ARRL band policeman by complaining on the OH2AQ DX spot that U.S. hams were violating the ARRL band plan, which says no SSB operation below 1843 kc. There were hams working SSB DX on 1840 kc during the best band opening on 160 meters since the bottom of cycle 22 more than ten years ago. But now the ARRL has decided to violate their own plan by QSYing to 1807.500 kc. While at the same time they propose to use band plans to control the madness and mayhem that will occur if their segregation by bandwidth proposal is accepted by the FCC. It's hypocricy period. --... ...--, Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF Lakeland, FL, USA Grid Square EL97AW [EMAIL PROTECTED] KN4LF Amateur SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com KN4LF 160 Meter Propagation Theory Notes: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf8.htm guess the problem is that there are so many facets of HAM radio that just about any transmission by some is QRM to somone else. My experience is that there is no benefit in HAM radio to declarations that someone elses transmissions are not useful and are QRM. Better to live-and-let-live. Some people think DX is an absolute waste of RF, others think rag chewing is a waste of time. Some think nets are a waste, etc. So my only point was that in HAM radio usually nothing is accomplished by trying to declare some other operation as useless. There is always someone who likes it. Glad to hear the band is being used by so many... that it is an issue. Bob ___ Keep in mind that only registered email addresses can post in the list. Psk31 WWW Site at http://aintel.bi.ehu.es/psk31.html Psk31 list info at: http://aintel.bi.ehu.es/mailman/listinfo/psk31 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
Thomas, I am not following your concerns here. If you look up ARRL's bulletin schedule for 160 meters, it shows voice tx on 1855. Are they moving the voice tx down to 1807.5? This is not shown as a change on their web site information. There are no listed 160 meter teleprinter frequencies and cw is 1817.5. What I truly don't understand is why ARRL has a different bandplan from the IARU Region 2 bandplan. The information that I have is that digital modes are recommended in the 1800 to 1840 segment. By placing digital modes down at the bottom of the band, it does not work with the other regions that have digital modes higher up. Region 1 = 1838 - 1842 Region 2 = 1800 - 1840 Region 3 = 1830 - 1834 (RTTY) Seems like the ARRL bandplan should at least include 1830 to 1840 for digital so it can match up with the other regions. Otherwise one will lose respect for inappropriate recommendations. This really needs to be addressed by ARRL. 73, Rick, KV9U Thomas Giella KN4LF wrote: Bob et all, One of the issues concerns band plans. The ARRL proposed a 160 meter bandplan a few years ago which included 1800-1810 kc for digital modes. Just a few nights ago W3UR Bernie McClenny who has the How's DX column in QST appointed himself ARRL band policeman by complaining on the OH2AQ DX spot that U.S. hams were violating the ARRL band plan, which says no SSB operation below 1843 kc. There were hams working SSB DX on 1840 kc during the best band opening on 160 meters since the bottom of cycle 22 more than ten years ago. But now the ARRL has decided to violate their own plan by QSYing to 1807.500 kc. While at the same time they propose to use band plans to control the madness and mayhem that will occur if their segregation by bandwidth proposal is accepted by the FCC. It's hypocricy period. --... ...--, Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF Lakeland, FL, USA Grid Square EL97AW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
Title: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC Its Joe CARCIA. I don't know why [EMAIL PROTECTED] didn't work. Carcia, Joe, NJ1Q, W1AW Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 73, Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Danny Douglas Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:16 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC I tried sending to both those address, and they both bounced. - Original Message - From: Thomas Giella KN4LF To: a psk31 eGroup ; a Digital Radio eGroup ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC Guys it would be a very good idea to let ARRL's station manager Joe Garcia NJ1Q know that their QSYing from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kc on April 3rd, 2006 would be a very bad idea. Obviously that frequency shift would wipe out the main PSK31 meeting frequency and more. They are QSYing as they have been receiving pressure from CW ops, so we become the sacrificial lamb. In my personal opinion all ARRL broadcasts should be terminated. His email addresses are: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --... ...--, Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF Lakeland, FL, USA Grid Square EL97AW [EMAIL PROTECTED] KN4LF Amateur SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:09:52 - From: Michael E Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New ARRL 160M CW Frequency on top of PSK Frequency Check this out folks. We all need to email ARRL in protest. From the ARRL Web site: W1AW to QSY on 160 meters (Feb 23, 2006) -- Starting Monday, April 3, Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will be using a new 160-meter frequency for its CW transmissions. The new frequency will be 1807.5 kHz. The last time we shifted frequency on 160 meters was back in 2003, says W1AW Station Manager Joe Carcia, NJ1Q. Since that time, operating patterns have changed, and there is more DX showing up near our current frequency of 1817.5 kHz. We're shifting frequency to reduce the possibility of interference. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 2/22/2006 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group digitalradio on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
I second that as they serve very little if any purpose. Joe IveyW4JSI Age is mind over matterIf you don't mind, it does not matter - Original Message - From: Thomas Giella KN4LF To: a psk31 eGroup ; a Digital Radio eGroup ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC Guys it would be a very good idea to let ARRL's station manager Joe Garcia NJ1Q know that their QSYing from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kcon April 3rd, 2006would be a very bad idea. Obviously that frequency shift would wipe out the main PSK31 meeting frequencyand more. They are QSYing as they have been receiving pressure from CW ops, so we become the sacrificial lamb. In my personal opinion all ARRL broadcasts should be terminated. His email addresses are: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] --... ...--,Thomas F. Giella, KN4LFLakeland, FL, USAGrid Square EL97AW[EMAIL PROTECTED] KN4LF Amateur SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:09:52 - From: "Michael E Dobson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: New ARRL 160M CW Frequency on top of PSK FrequencyCheck this out folks. We all need to email ARRL in protest. From the ARRL Web site:W1AW to QSY on 160 meters (Feb 23, 2006) -- Starting Monday, April 3, Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will be using a new 160-meter frequency for its CW transmissions. The new frequency will be 1807.5 kHz. "The last time we shifted frequency on 160 meters was back in 2003," says W1AW Station Manager Joe Carcia, NJ1Q. "Since that time, operating patterns have changed, and there is more DX showing up near our current frequency of 1817.5 kHz. We're shifting frequency to reduce the possibility of interference." No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 2/22/2006 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
I tried to listen weekly when I was overseas, 20 years ago. It was the ONLY news on ham radio, back then. It is probably still useful to a couple of hands full of people who are in the hinterland and have no computer connectivity. - Original Message - From: Joe Ivey To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC I second that as they serve very little if any purpose. Joe IveyW4JSI Age is mind over matterIf you don't mind, it does not matter - Original Message - From: Thomas Giella KN4LF To: a psk31 eGroup ; a Digital Radio eGroup ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC Guys it would be a very good idea to let ARRL's station manager Joe Garcia NJ1Q know that their QSYing from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kcon April 3rd, 2006would be a very bad idea. Obviously that frequency shift would wipe out the main PSK31 meeting frequencyand more. They are QSYing as they have been receiving pressure from CW ops, so we become the sacrificial lamb. In my personal opinion all ARRL broadcasts should be terminated. His email addresses are: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] --... ...--,Thomas F. Giella, KN4LFLakeland, FL, USAGrid Square EL97AW[EMAIL PROTECTED] KN4LF Amateur SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:09:52 - From: "Michael E Dobson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: New ARRL 160M CW Frequency on top of PSK FrequencyCheck this out folks. We all need to email ARRL in protest. From the ARRL Web site:W1AW to QSY on 160 meters (Feb 23, 2006) -- Starting Monday, April 3, Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will be using a new 160-meter frequency for its CW transmissions. The new frequency will be 1807.5 kHz. "The last time we shifted frequency on 160 meters was back in 2003," says W1AW Station Manager Joe Carcia, NJ1Q. "Since that time, operating patterns have changed, and there is more DX showing up near our current frequency of 1817.5 kHz. We're shifting frequency to reduce the possibility of interference." No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 2/22/2006 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 2/22/2006 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
Sorry guys and gals my error, the other email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . --... ...--,Thomas F. Giella, KN4LFLakeland, FL, USAGrid Square EL97AW[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Thomas Giella KN4LF To: a psk31 eGroup ; a Digital Radio eGroup ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC Guys it would be a very good idea to let ARRL's station manager Joe Garcia NJ1Q know that their QSYing from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kcon April 3rd, 2006would be a very bad idea. Obviously that frequency shift would wipe out the main PSK31 meeting frequencyand more. They are QSYing as they have been receiving pressure from CW ops, so we become the sacrificial lamb. In my personal opinion all ARRL broadcasts should be terminated. His email addresses are: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] --... ...--,Thomas F. Giella, KN4LFLakeland, FL, USAGrid Square EL97AW[EMAIL PROTECTED] KN4LF Amateur SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:09:52 - From: "Michael E Dobson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: New ARRL 160M CW Frequency on top of PSK FrequencyCheck this out folks. We all need to email ARRL in protest. From the ARRL Web site:W1AW to QSY on 160 meters (Feb 23, 2006) -- Starting Monday, April 3, Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will be using a new 160-meter frequency for its CW transmissions. The new frequency will be 1807.5 kHz. "The last time we shifted frequency on 160 meters was back in 2003," says W1AW Station Manager Joe Carcia, NJ1Q. "Since that time, operating patterns have changed, and there is more DX showing up near our current frequency of 1817.5 kHz. We're shifting frequency to reduce the possibility of interference." Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 2/22/2006
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
I tried sending to both those address, and they both bounced. - Original Message - From: Thomas Giella KN4LF To: a psk31 eGroup ; a Digital Radio eGroup ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC Guys it would be a very good idea to let ARRL's station manager Joe Garcia NJ1Q know that their QSYing from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kcon April 3rd, 2006would be a very bad idea. Obviously that frequency shift would wipe out the main PSK31 meeting frequencyand more. They are QSYing as they have been receiving pressure from CW ops, so we become the sacrificial lamb. In my personal opinion all ARRL broadcasts should be terminated. His email addresses are: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] --... ...--,Thomas F. Giella, KN4LFLakeland, FL, USAGrid Square EL97AW[EMAIL PROTECTED] KN4LF Amateur SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:09:52 - From: "Michael E Dobson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: New ARRL 160M CW Frequency on top of PSK FrequencyCheck this out folks. We all need to email ARRL in protest. From the ARRL Web site:W1AW to QSY on 160 meters (Feb 23, 2006) -- Starting Monday, April 3, Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will be using a new 160-meter frequency for its CW transmissions. The new frequency will be 1807.5 kHz. "The last time we shifted frequency on 160 meters was back in 2003," says W1AW Station Manager Joe Carcia, NJ1Q. "Since that time, operating patterns have changed, and there is more DX showing up near our current frequency of 1817.5 kHz. We're shifting frequency to reduce the possibility of interference." No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 2/22/2006 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
I know some who do use the bulletins. I occasionally use it to check out my receiving since there are precious few digital transmissions of the types they transmit. Also, a friend of mine who has been involved with digital stuff since I have known him (over 40 years now) uses the CW bulletins. I asked him why he did that and he liked to just have it print out on the screen even though he can copy moderately fast CW. He uses the multipsk program to copy the cw since he feels that is one of the better cw receive programs. Because of his comments, that lead me to trying Multipsk for other things and now it is my main program. Say, anyone want to try out PAX2? I would like to see how this new ARQ sound card mode works. 73, Rick, KV9U Danny Douglas wrote: I tried to listen weekly when I was overseas, 20 years ago. It was the ONLY news on ham radio, back then. It is probably still useful to a couple of hands full of people who are in the hinterland and have no computer connectivity. - Original Message - *From:* Joe Ivey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:53 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC I second that as they serve very little if any purpose. Joe Ivey W4JSI Age is mind over matter If you don't mind, it does not matter - Original Message - *From:* Thomas Giella KN4LF mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* a psk31 eGroup mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; a Digital Radio eGroup mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:54 PM *Subject:* [digitalradio] Re: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC *Guys it would be a very good idea to let ARRL's station manager Joe Garcia NJ1Q know that their **QSYing from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kc on April 3rd, 2006 would be a very bad **idea. Obviously that frequency shift would wipe out the main PSK31 meeting frequency and more.* ** *They are QSYing as they have been receiving pressure from CW ops, so we become the sacrificial lamb. In my personal opinion all ARRL broadcasts should be terminated.* ** *His email addresses are: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** *--... ...--, Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF Lakeland, FL, USA Grid Square EL97AW [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* *KN4LF Amateur SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com * Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
