[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QRM from PMBOs and other deaf robots spoils the enjoyment of amateur radio for many operators Demetre. That's why so many are willing to do practically anything to make WinLink stop generating QRM. Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on a lot of Christmas lists; Ack *this*. You see now why the PBMOs cannot install any DCD mechanism that detects QRM and they leave the busy detection to be the responsibility of the client? Because people like you would misuse such a mechanism and the PMBOs would be rendered useless. This is a VERY bad practice that you and your followers excercise and hence you should have your license revoked for this action you just admitted yourself. Anyway please comment to your daddy (the FCC) as you like, although you do understand you are wrong, and if you have a PACTOR MODEM and have not understood it's use yet then I am sorry for you because nothing comes even close to PACTOR 3 for emergency comms OM. 73, Dave, AA6YQ 73 de Demetre SV1UY
[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
+++ more AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QRM from PMBOs and other deaf robots spoils the enjoyment of amateur radio for many operators Demetre. That's why so many are willing to do practically anything to make WinLink stop generating QRM. Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on a lot of Christmas lists; Ack *this*. You see now why the PBMOs cannot install any DCD mechanism that detects QRM and they leave the busy detection to be the responsibility of the client? Because people like you would misuse such a mechanism and the PMBOs would be rendered useless. This is a VERY bad practice that you and your followers excercise and hence you should have your license revoked for this action you just admitted yourself. +++Demetre, an anti-radiation missile is a weapon typically used to destroy air-defense radars by locking onto their transmitter frequency. Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on a lot of Christmas lists was a humorous way of pointing out that PMBO QRM has generated widespread and massive frustration. Nowhere in this message -- or any other message I have posted -- do I advocate QRMing PMBOs. This sort of action would be as irreponsible as using or operating a PMBO, and I have made that point here on several occasions. +++I have heard the argument that WinLink can't now apply busy- frequency detectors because the amateur radio community is so angry at them for years of QRM that operators would camp on PMBO frequencies just to prevent them functioning. This argument is completely bogus - just another rationalization for continuing to generate QRM. While a few operators might QRM a few PMBOs for a few days, the effect would be minimal. Even the most perverse human operator won't sit at a station continuously just to QRM an automated station. He or she will get bored and go bother someone more likely to provide a reaction. 73, Dave, AA6YQ
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
IMNSHO malicious interference, interference that prevents or interrupts a QSO on a frequency from any source is ILLEGAL by the existing rules. The fact that this rule is not being enforced should generate information to the FCC on these interferences and requests to the same agency to clean it up. If I were operating on a frequency and one of these stations climbed on MY frequency (yes, I own it while operating on it legally) a report would go to the FCC the same day with time, frequency, and any identifying information on the interfering station. The squeaky wheel concept. Again in MO, any station operating unattended and generating RF interfering signals should NEVER be allowed on Amateur frequencies. If any persons/organizations wishes to operate in this fashion they should apply for licenses and frequency assignments that allow this type of operation. It certainly is more commercial than hobby. 73 Les At 01:36 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote: +++ more AA6YQ comments below --- In mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.comdigitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QRM from PMBOs and other deaf robots spoils the enjoyment of amateur radio for many operators Demetre. That's why so many are willing to do practically anything to make WinLink stop generating QRM. Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on a lot of Christmas lists; Ack *this*. You see now why the PBMOs cannot install any DCD mechanism that detects QRM and they leave the busy detection to be the responsibility of the client? Because people like you would misuse such a mechanism and the PMBOs would be rendered useless. This is a VERY bad practice that you and your followers excercise and hence you should have your license revoked for this action you just admitted yourself. +++Demetre, an anti-radiation missile is a weapon typically used to destroy air-defense radars by locking onto their transmitter frequency. Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on a lot of Christmas lists was a humorous way of pointing out that PMBO QRM has generated widespread and massive frustration. Nowhere in this message -- or any other message I have posted -- do I advocate QRMing PMBOs. This sort of action would be as irreponsible as using or operating a PMBO, and I have made that point here on several occasions. +++I have heard the argument that WinLink can't now apply busy- frequency detectors because the amateur radio community is so angry at them for years of QRM that operators would camp on PMBO frequencies just to prevent them functioning. This argument is completely bogus - just another rationalization for continuing to generate QRM. While a few operators might QRM a few PMBOs for a few days, the effect would be minimal. Even the most perverse human operator won't sit at a station continuously just to QRM an automated station. He or she will get bored and go bother someone more likely to provide a reaction. 73, Dave, AA6YQ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM
[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ more AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY sv1uy@ wrote: QRM from PMBOs and other deaf robots spoils the enjoyment of amateur radio for many operators Demetre. That's why so many are willing to do practically anything to make WinLink stop generating QRM. Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on a lot of Christmas lists; Ack *this*. You see now why the PBMOs cannot install any DCD mechanism that detects QRM and they leave the busy detection to be the responsibility of the client? Because people like you would misuse such a mechanism and the PMBOs would be rendered useless. This is a VERY bad practice that you and your followers excercise and hence you should have your license revoked for this action you just admitted yourself. +++Demetre, an anti-radiation missile is a weapon typically used to destroy air-defense radars by locking onto their transmitter frequency. Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on a lot of Christmas lists was a humorous way of pointing out that PMBO QRM has generated widespread and massive frustration. Nowhere in this message -- or any other message I have posted -- do I advocate QRMing PMBOs. This sort of action would be as irreponsible as using or operating a PMBO, and I have made that point here on several occasions. +++I have heard the argument that WinLink can't now apply busy- frequency detectors because the amateur radio community is so angry at them for years of QRM that operators would camp on PMBO frequencies just to prevent them functioning. This argument is completely bogus - just another rationalization for continuing to generate QRM. While a few operators might QRM a few PMBOs for a few days, the effect would be minimal. Even the most perverse human operator won't sit at a station continuously just to QRM an automated station. He or she will get bored and go bother someone more likely to provide a reaction. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Exactly Dave, This is because of people like you. You just admitted it, so don't cry now. You know all the techniques of war it seems. 73 de Demetre SV1UY
[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Les Warriner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMNSHO malicious interference, interference that prevents or interrupts a QSO on a frequency from any source is ILLEGAL by the existing rules. The fact that this rule is not being enforced should generate information to the FCC on these interferences and requests to the same agency to clean it up. If I were operating on a frequency and one of these stations climbed on MY frequency (yes, I own it while operating on it legally) a report would go to the FCC the same day with time, frequency, and any identifying information on the interfering station. The squeaky wheel concept. Unless you're willing to purchase an SCS TNC, you will not be able to know who or what QRM'd you. A requirement that all unattended stations identify in CW at least once within each 5-minute period of activity would eliminate this problem. 73, Dave, AA6YQ
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
You caught me, Demetre. I did rent an F-16 last weekend and got all the way to Winlink Planetary Headquarters before realizing that the HARMs Hertz gave me were tuned to 7.105 GHz instead of 7.105 MHz as requested. So I buzzed the tower and flew home to beat the commuter congestion at Hanscom. What's your grid square? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Demetre SV1UY Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:42 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ more AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY sv1uy@ wrote: QRM from PMBOs and other deaf robots spoils the enjoyment of amateur radio for many operators Demetre. That's why so many are willing to do practically anything to make WinLink stop generating QRM. Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on a lot of Christmas lists; Ack *this*. You see now why the PBMOs cannot install any DCD mechanism that detects QRM and they leave the busy detection to be the responsibility of the client? Because people like you would misuse such a mechanism and the PMBOs would be rendered useless. This is a VERY bad practice that you and your followers excercise and hence you should have your license revoked for this action you just admitted yourself. +++Demetre, an anti-radiation missile is a weapon typically used to destroy air-defense radars by locking onto their transmitter frequency. Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on a lot of Christmas lists was a humorous way of pointing out that PMBO QRM has generated widespread and massive frustration. Nowhere in this message -- or any other message I have posted -- do I advocate QRMing PMBOs. This sort of action would be as irreponsible as using or operating a PMBO, and I have made that point here on several occasions. +++I have heard the argument that WinLink can't now apply busy- frequency detectors because the amateur radio community is so angry at them for years of QRM that operators would camp on PMBO frequencies just to prevent them functioning. This argument is completely bogus - just another rationalization for continuing to generate QRM. While a few operators might QRM a few PMBOs for a few days, the effect would be minimal. Even the most perverse human operator won't sit at a station continuously just to QRM an automated station. He or she will get bored and go bother someone more likely to provide a reaction. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Exactly Dave, This is because of people like you. You just admitted it, so don't cry now. You know all the techniques of war it seems. 73 de Demetre SV1UY
[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
Oh, I nearly forgot to ask you Dave, what's the matter with you and PACTOR-3? Has uncle Steve been bad to you recently? I can help you know!!! 73 de Demetre de SV1UY P.S. Please smile, this is only a hobby OM. MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
At 04:23 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote: Again in MO, any station operating unattended and generating RF interfering signals should NEVER be allowed on Amateur frequencies. It's not ! under FCC rules
[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You caught me, Demetre. I did rent an F-16 last weekend and got all the way to Winlink Planetary Headquarters before realizing that the HARMs Hertz gave me were tuned to 7.105 GHz instead of 7.105 MHz as requested. So I buzzed the tower and flew home to beat the commuter congestion at Hanscom. What's your grid square? 73, Dave, AA6YQ Well our old God APOLLO will not be kind to you Dave. Propagation is not good between us right now so I guess I am saved for the time being! 73 de Demetre SV1UY P.S. Please have a good drink OM, you might forget about PACTOR 3. It's Christmas after all.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
At 04:37 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote: Unless you're willing to purchase an SCS TNC, you will not be able to know who or what QRM'd you. A requirement that all unattended stations identify in CW at least once within each 5-minute period of activity would eliminate this problem. Dave I'm not to sure about this. My pactor station *WILL* ID in either CW or P1 my call no matter what pactor mode I'm running at the time. John, W0JAB
[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
If you'd actually read any of my posts, Demetre, you'd know that my focus is on automatic stations without busy detectors -- no matter what protocol they are using. In fact I recently posted here that banning Pactor III because a bunch of inconsiderate operators use it in PMBOs would be like banning automobiles because some people drive drunk. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/25201 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I nearly forgot to ask you Dave, what's the matter with you and PACTOR-3? Has uncle Steve been bad to you recently? I can help you know!!! 73 de Demetre de SV1UY P.S. Please smile, this is only a hobby OM. MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all.
[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
I have never heard a WinLink PMBO identify in CW. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker, WØJAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:37 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote: Unless you're willing to purchase an SCS TNC, you will not be able to know who or what QRM'd you. A requirement that all unattended stations identify in CW at least once within each 5-minute period of activity would eliminate this problem. Dave I'm not to sure about this. My pactor station *WILL* ID in either CW or P1 my call no matter what pactor mode I'm running at the time. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
Listen to mineIt IDs in CW at the end of an unsucessful connect attempt and at the end of a completed connect... The rules allow for ID via Pactor exchanges in the interim showing the callsigns of both stations. Dave WB2FTX - Original Message - From: Dave Bernstein To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats I have never heard a WinLink PMBO identify in CW. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker, WØJAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:37 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote: Unless you're willing to purchase an SCS TNC, you will not be able to know who or what QRM'd you. A requirement that all unattended stations identify in CW at least once within each 5-minute period of activity would eliminate this problem. Dave I'm not to sure about this. My pactor station *WILL* ID in either CW or P1 my call no matter what pactor mode I'm running at the time. John, W0JAB -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
Dave Bernstein wrote: I have never heard a WinLink PMBO identify in CW. 73, Dave, AA6YQ That is because they never do. The SCS TNCs can be set to ID in CW, but in practice no one ever does. de Roger W6VZV
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
Dave, you said earlier that you were running Winlink Classic, not Winlink 2000.
That would make your station a BBS instead of a PMBO, wouldn't it?
Dave (the other one) was commenting about PMBOs. Maybe the WL2K code is
different?
73, Howard K5HB
- Original Message
From: David Struebel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:36:45 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR
PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
Listen to mineIt IDs in CW
at the end of an unsucessful connect attempt and at the end of a completed
connect... The rules allow for ID via Pactor exchanges in the interim showing
the callsigns of both stations.
Dave WB2FTX
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
Bernstein
To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:26
PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on
digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
I have never heard a WinLink PMBO identify in CW.
73,
Dave,
AA6YQ
--- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com,
John Becker, WØJAB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 04:37 PM
12/27/2007, you wrote:
Unless you're willing to
purchase an SCS TNC, you will not be
able
to know who or what
QRM'd you. A requirement that all unattended
stations identify in
CW at least once within each 5-minute period of
activity would
eliminate this problem.
Dave I'm not to sure about
this.
My pactor station *WILL* ID in either CW or P1 my call
no matter what pactor mode I'm running at the time.
John,
W0JAB
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats
At 07:26 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote: I have never heard a WinLink PMBO identify in CW. Like I said Dave my winlink station does it all the time. Either in P1 or CW. Now if I'm in a KB2KB QSO it will not I will force the SCS modem to do it. But under computer control it will. It's in use right now. and I will let you know what it does. Nice really nice - some lid with a PSK signal is tuning up and down the band to make sure he get's us. P1 ID when the link was dropped. John, W0JAB
