[digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
I have moved from 14112 down because there were many stations CQ-ing every minute while my RMS transfered mail... exactly every minute... So I see you do not know this software... --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: The qrm is NOT from beacon function in the soft I see you do not know his software If the qrg is in use (of other ros transmissions) the beacontimer is resetted and no beacon is sent
[digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: The lack of socialism is not the fault of the programmer Mercedes has a speed limiter for fun I presume...
AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
* exactly every minute so the other stations must have made their beacontext with a stopwatch if you send the beacon in ros to 1 minute the soft DOES NOT transmit exactly every minute for more than just one reason: first of all the duration of the beacontext is added to the timer cause timer restarts AFTER sending . that is why I said the stopwatch thing okay say duration of text is 15 sec so you set beacon to 45 sec . does now the soft send every minute? NO NO NO The second thing is that jose made another timer with 150 sec in the soft THAT CAN NOT BE MADE SHORTER BY THE USER And that timer is resetted if there is traffic . so the beacon does only work if there is NO TRAFFIC Beacon does not send if others use that qrg (in mode ros)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
At 09:46 AM 7/7/2010, you wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: .. Ros is programmed for low power qrppp experiments . with a few watt and a groundplane for a 16000 km path .. But there are users thinking more power is better . and using ros the wrong way .. With lots of power and a beam . so to give others a better chance there are 3 qrg on 20m . that's all That's all? That's the problem! When i asked José Nieto about it, While you was at it should have ask him about the small group that can't use the program.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
At 04:04 PM 7/6/2010, you wrote in part: UH OH.now I've done it. Bet I won't ever get on their forum, much less be able to use ROS any time soon SNIFFLE I'm down in the dingy cellar now with the likes of John W0JAB! Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79NV Come on down. The beer is cold and the NASCAR race is about to start [HI HI]
[digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: Mercedes has a speed limiter for fun I presume... No the limiter is for safety . but with a laptop and the right software the limiter is away (and you also get some more power) you can make fun of it... like I did ;-) but Mercedes took it's responsibility. Which implies that lack of socialism is not the fault of the programmer is actually based on the lack of responsibility taken by the programmer.
[digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
From my ROS log 2010-30-06 on 14.112: RX16: 16:41 @ -54,7 Hz: CQDX CQDX CQDX de DL3VDL DL3VDSd4taaKPa?M AMa®oeadÅ oeAsa(3esA.C'M CANCEL -9 dB RX16: 16:42 @ -54,7 Hz: CQDX CQDX CQDX de DL3VDL DL3VDL DL3VDL pse k STOP +0 dB RX16: 16:43 @ -54,7 Hz: CQDX CQDX CQDX de DL3VDL DL3VDL DL3VDL pse k STOP +7 dB RX16: 16:44 @ -15,6 Hz: CQDX CQDX CQDX de DL3VDL DL3VDL DL3VDL pse k STOP +11 dB I moved 2Kc down at 2010-01-07 ;-) And as far as I know beaconing on HF is a NO NO NO among radio amateurs that run a packet BBS, or a /winmor RMS because it increases the chance of QRM, that's the whole point. If José was a radio amateur he should have known that, as a engineer with knowledge of his target market he could have known that. Marc, PD4U --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: * exactly every minute so the other stations must have made their beacontext with a stopwatch if you send the beacon in ros to 1 minute the soft DOES NOT transmit exactly every minute for more than just one reason: first of all the duration of the beacontext is added to the timer cause timer restarts AFTER sending . that is why I said the stopwatch thing okay say duration of text is 15 sec so you set beacon to 45 sec . does now the soft send every minute? NO NO NO The second thing is that jose made another timer with 150 sec in the soft THAT CAN NOT BE MADE SHORTER BY THE USER And that timer is resetted if there is traffic . so the beacon does only work if there is NO TRAFFIC Beacon does not send if others use that qrg (in mode ros)
[digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
No it is the other way round: I asked several times to not include 14.112 since I HAD a RMS there. Now 14112 is one of the calling frequencies, I was then accused of claiming frequencies and was forced to leave 14112 because some italians were calling to spaniards on top of WINMOR and pactor QSO's, in 2250Hz wide mode at +8dB... And it is not sometimes you hear packet, but many times you hear packet. At 500Hz UT1HZM/TA2BBS and my RMS fitted nicely on 14.112 BESIDE each other until the ROS operators came around. Since ROS is quite robust ROS users dont really 'seem to care if anything is one their frequency'. And reply ARE YOU STUPID when I asked them in phone to QSY. Beside that I was denied access to their yahoo group, apparently because criticism is not welcome. In the past several people's banned callsigns were included in the software so that these calls couldn't use ROS anymore. This was because ROS was thought to be illegal in the US because it was spread spectrum. The programmer of ROS - Jose Nieto- then posted a false letter from the FEC claiming ROS was approved by the FEC. So for real QRP(P) DX QSO's I advise WSPR but not ROS. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: As most dx is done on 20m and to give more hams a chance for a qso jose made 3 qrg on 20m . and he changed them SEVERAL TIMES after there were some other telling there is a pactor qrg or this is a packet qrg etc. .. he asked several times about qrg so I do not see where you have a problem . yes it is a wide mode but it is used for LONG DISTANCE DX with low power .. From italy to spain with a beam and a gallon of output you can do it with voice, psk, or something else . Ros is programmed for low power qrppp experiments . with a few watt and a groundplane for a 16000 km path .. But there are users thinking more power is better . and using ros the wrong way .. With lots of power and a beam . so to give others a better chance there are 3 qrg on 20m . that's all Sometimes I hear packet or pactor on one or two of the 20m qrg so if I hear that I go to the third qrg and try it there . Greetz Dg9bfc Sigi
[digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: .. Ros is programmed for low power qrppp experiments . with a few watt and a groundplane for a 16000 km path .. But there are users thinking more power is better . and using ros the wrong way .. With lots of power and a beam . so to give others a better chance there are 3 qrg on 20m . that's all That's all? That's the problem! When i asked José Nieto about it, he said that the increasing number of ROS users was the cause for the three calling frequencies. But it actually is the lack of discipline and patience among ROS users that created the problem. So increasing the number of calling frequencies has only increased the amount of QRM on the 20m band, and is counterproductive to an increase of discipline and patience among ROS users. Though that is what is needed: more patience among ROS users and more discipline in acting according to their HAM radio lisence. As far as I know one is not permitted as a radio amateur to disturb other stations by calling CQ without listening, and asking if the frequency is free.
[digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, W6IDS w6...@... wrote: WHO/WHAT is claiming 14.103 - 14.115? The author? The Hams who seem to be intrigued with ROS? If there's an apparent acceptance of the claimed freq spread, then it's not the author only who's in need of a good trouncing. You are right... but why does Mercedes, Audi, etc.. have a speed limiter in their cars? José Nieto however included a 1 minute beacon function in his software and three calling frequencies!!??? So he seems to me to be a telecom engineer without a license that is blind to written and unwritten rules in HAM radio. So he only views it from a mere perstechnipective, cal and not a HAM radio, nor a social perspective. He forwards mails directed at him personally to his Yahoo group. And by doing does not take his own responsibility, but puts the responsibility among the users of his software... You can't blame FIAT for the traffic jams in Rome. But including a beacon function áind three QRG's in the softwaren order to prevent QRM, is like FIAT saying it included a horn in th eir cars to prevent chaos in Rome's city raffic.
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You have the same thing if you have a rare dx on the band and everybody is stepping on the others shoe With a beam and a gallon of power Sadly that is also hamradio :-( The lack of socialism is not the fault of the programmer Dg9bfc Sigi
AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
The qrm is NOT from beacon function in the soft I see you do not know his software If the qrg is in use (of other ros transmissions) the beacontimer is resetted and no beacon is sent
[digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in the software Three (3!!!) calling frequencies on 20m for a 2250Hz wide mode... and if you ask why, you get excluded from their Yahoo group and accused of claiming a frequency of one's own. While ROS effectively claims 14.103 upto 14.115. Mentioning that a few dozen Remote Message Servers reside there meets deaf ears (and deaf antennas)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
It is a shame . There is only one thing to do -take back these frequencies by running other modes when they are free 73 de la5vna Steinar On 06.07.2010 18:08, pd4u_dares wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in the software Three (3!!!) calling frequencies on 20m for a 2250Hz wide mode... and if you ask why, you get excluded from their Yahoo group and accused of claiming a frequency of one's own. While ROS effectively claims 14.103 upto 14.115. Mentioning that a few dozen Remote Message Servers reside there meets deaf ears (and deaf antennas)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
Greetings All, It still is a big question for me how an author of a, being it nice, program, not licensed radio amateur, can assign frequencies. I wished somebody could explain that to me and why it is that there is no real reaction or questioning of this action by the amateur community as such. Understand me well, I have nothing against ROS modem and would like to be able to use and experiment with it. But assigning frequencies goes way beyond my idea about amateur radio organization. I address this in spite of a certain electronic engineer in the UK who wants me to keep quiet. He is welcome though to use his trash bin 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Sent: Jul 6, 2010 1:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters It is a shame . There is only one thing to do -take back these frequencies by running other modes when they are free 73 de la5vna Steinar On 06.07.2010 18:08, pd4u_dares wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in the software Three (3!!!) calling frequencies on 20m for a 2250Hz wide mode... and if you ask why, you get excluded from their Yahoo group and accused of claiming a frequency of one's own. While ROS effectively claims 14.103 upto 14.115. Mentioning that a few dozen Remote Message Servers reside there meets deaf ears (and deaf antennas) http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
WHO/WHAT is claiming 14.103 - 14.115? The author? The Hams who seem to be intrigued with ROS? If there's an apparent acceptance of the claimed freq spread, then it's not the author only who's in need of a good trouncing. UH OH.now I've done it. Bet I won't ever get on their forum, much less be able to use ROS any time soon SNIFFLE I'm down in the dingy cellar now with the likes of John W0JAB! Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79NV - Original Message - From: pd4u_dares p...@hotmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 12:08 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@... wrote: If you download and installed the newest version you will find the qrg in the software Three (3!!!) calling frequencies on 20m for a 2250Hz wide mode... and if you ask why, you get excluded from their Yahoo group and accused of claiming a frequency of one's own. While ROS effectively claims 14.103 upto 14.115. Mentioning that a few dozen Remote Message Servers reside there meets deaf ears (and deaf antennas)
AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
As most dx is done on 20m and to give more hams a chance for a qso jose made 3 qrg on 20m . and he changed them SEVERAL TIMES after there were some other telling there is a pactor qrg or this is a packet qrg etc. .. he asked several times about qrg so I do not see where you have a problem . yes it is a wide mode but it is used for LONG DISTANCE DX with low power .. From italy to spain with a beam and a gallon of output you can do it with voice, psk, or something else . Ros is programmed for low power qrppp experiments . with a few watt and a groundplane for a 16000 km path .. But there are users thinking more power is better . and using ros the wrong way .. With lots of power and a beam . so to give others a better chance there are 3 qrg on 20m . that's all Sometimes I hear packet or pactor on one or two of the 20m qrg so if I hear that I go to the third qrg and try it there . Greetz Dg9bfc Sigi
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters
The 14.105 packet group has been there a long time, but all I ever hear there now is splatter from ROS. If jose were a ham and had a better understanding of the gentlemen's agreement on bandplans, a lot of his inconvenience of having to reassign frequencies could have been avoided. Oops, off the cellar with me. phil n4zsa - Original Message - From: Siegfried Jackstien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:16 PM Subject: AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS on 40 meters As most dx is done on 20m and to give more hams a chance for a qso jose made 3 qrg on 20m . and he changed them SEVERAL TIMES after there were some other telling there is a pactor qrg or this is a packet qrg etc. .. he asked several times about qrg so I do not see where you have a problem . yes it is a wide mode but it is used for LONG DISTANCE DX with low power .. From italy to spain with a beam and a gallon of output you can do it with voice, psk, or something else . Ros is programmed for low power qrppp experiments . with a few watt and a groundplane for a 16000 km path .. But there are users thinking more power is better . and using ros the wrong way .. With lots of power and a beam . so to give others a better chance there are 3 qrg on 20m . that's all Sometimes I hear packet or pactor on one or two of the 20m qrg so if I hear that I go to the third qrg and try it there . Greetz Dg9bfc Sigi
