Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
Andy, Would it be too much to ask to request that these rule changing discussions move to the 'political' group? They started out being informative and of interest to all subscribers, by pointing out the new regs, but they're starting to degrade. We may all feel badly about the rule changes, and its surely an emotional issue for many, but they are shortly to become officially enforceable regulations. At any rate, we did spin-off a separate group for just these types of discussions. Thanks, and 73, Erik KI4HMS/7
Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
Thank you Erik:) 73 de LA5VNA list email filter wrote: Andy, Would it be too much to ask to request that these rule changing discussions move to the 'political' group? They started out being informative and of interest to all subscribers, by pointing out the new regs, but they're starting to degrade. We may all feel badly about the rule changes, and its surely an emotional issue for many, but they are shortly to become officially enforceable regulations. At any rate, we did spin-off a separate group for just these types of discussions. Thanks, and 73, Erik KI4HMS/7
Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
Yes Erik and Steinar, I will let discussion flow here for a little longer and then cut it off and ask that it move to the sister group, Andy. - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group Thank you Erik:) 73 de LA5VNA list email filter wrote: Andy, Would it be too much to ask to request that these rule changing discussions move to the 'political' group? They started out being informative and of interest to all subscribers, by pointing out the new regs, but they're starting to degrade. We may all feel badly about the rule changes, and its surely an emotional issue for many, but they are shortly to become officially enforceable regulations. At any rate, we did spin-off a separate group for just these types of discussions. Thanks, and 73, Erik KI4HMS/7 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
I have begun using the term The Digital Radio Group, when referring collectively to this email group. This group has almost 2,500 subscribed members , therefore I think the group represents an active constituency of data oriented radio operators. Hopefully this will not appear overly pretentious, but I have contacted the FCC about the revised data bandwidth rules and asked them for clarification. I did so as head of the Digital Radio Group. There may be other times when communication with national or international organizations would be helpful to our members. As an individual member, I would not express opinion on behalf of this group, but feel that it may be appropriate to occasionally ask organizations to clarify their positions. So, I have written to Bill Cross and Riley Hollingsworth on behalf of this group and shared with them some of the key points recently made by members of this group. I will share any response with the membership. Andy K3UK Owner.
Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
As long as you did not misrepresent the group as some formal organization, and indicated that it was an internet discussion group, it should be fine. We are basically an ad hoc special interest discussion group that represents a wide spectrum of views. Indicating someone is the head of a group, does suggest that they are elected or appointed in some way, and personally I would just indicate that I moderated the discussion group. You might set up some polls, to get at least some input from the membership. Even though it will not be scientifically accurate polling, it would certainly show support for or against a particular issue. 73, Rick, KV9U Andrew O'Brien wrote: I have begun using the term The Digital Radio Group, when referring collectively to this email group. This group has almost 2,500 subscribed members , therefore I think the group represents an active constituency of data oriented radio operators. Hopefully this will not appear overly pretentious, but I have contacted the FCC about the revised data bandwidth rules and asked them for clarification. I did so as head of the Digital Radio Group. There may be other times when communication with national or international organizations would be helpful to our members. As an individual member, I would not express opinion on behalf of this group, but feel that it may be appropriate to occasionally ask organizations to clarify their positions. So, I have written to Bill Cross and Riley Hollingsworth on behalf of this group and shared with them some of the key points recently made by members of this group. I will share any response with the membership. Andy K3UK Owner. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006
Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
I agree with Rick. You should get a poll and get some thoughts from. Joe W4JSI - Original Message - From: KV9U To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group As long as you did not misrepresent the group as some formal organization, and indicated that it was an internet discussion group, it should be fine. We are basically an ad hoc special interest discussion group that represents a wide spectrum of views. Indicating someone is the head of a group, does suggest that they are elected or appointed in some way, and personally I would just indicate that I moderated the discussion group. You might set up some polls, to get at least some input from the membership. Even though it will not be scientifically accurate polling, it would certainly show support for or against a particular issue. 73, Rick, KV9U Andrew O'Brien wrote: I have begun using the term The Digital Radio Group, when referring collectively to this email group. This group has almost 2,500 subscribed members , therefore I think the group represents an active constituency of data oriented radio operators. Hopefully this will not appear overly pretentious, but I have contacted the FCC about the revised data bandwidth rules and asked them for clarification. I did so as head of the Digital Radio Group. There may be other times when communication with national or international organizations would be helpful to our members. As an individual member, I would not express opinion on behalf of this group, but feel that it may be appropriate to occasionally ask organizations to clarify their positions. So, I have written to Bill Cross and Riley Hollingsworth on behalf of this group and shared with them some of the key points recently made by members of this group. I will share any response with the membership. Andy K3UK Owner. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006
Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
We are basically an ad hoc special interest discussion group that represents a wide spectrum of views. You might set up some polls, to get at least some input from the membership. Even though it will not be scientifically accurate polling, it would certainly show support for or against a particular issue. 73, Rick, KV9U The views represented on this list are highly diverse and it would be nearly impossible to represent them as a singular voice without drifting into errors similar to those of the ARRL. Other than a statistically valid survey of the group using an unbiased measurement tool (unlike most of what is used in the political world of push-polls) I am uncertain how one could begin to speak for this diverse group! :-) The other question one would need to ask is if this group is reasonably representative of Hams interested in digital modes or is the membership a self-selected subset for some identifiable reason? If I am at the FCC I will also want to know two other things: 1. Does this groups represent a diferent, partial, or the same population as the ARRL? 2. What about non-digital mode Hams (ARRL members and non- ARRL members) whose enjoyment of the hobby may be impacted by digital mode-related rulings? HTH ... -- Thanks! 73, doc, KD4E ... somewhere in FL URL: bibleseven (dot) com
Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
2. What about non-digital mode Hams (ARRL members and non- ARRL members) whose enjoyment of the hobby may be impacted by digital mode-related rulings? No group this large will have members who are NOT also members of other groups. ARRL certainly doesnt represent the wishes of even the majority of their membership at times. But, also the members of this group ARE digital operators, unlike the majority of most any other group, unless it also consists of digital members for that same purpose . Thus, I dont think we have to take into consideration the feelings of other groups. Let them speak for themselves - which certainly appears to be what has happened and to whom the FCC bowed down to. Many groups tried to do away completely with CW, much to the horror of many of us on this group- so let them speak for themselves, and we should speak with our own voice and often and loudly. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
Agreed, that is why in general I would not expect this group's opinion to be expressed. In my communication with the FCC I did not express an opinion, but asked them to clarify some points. Andy. - Original Message - From: kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group We are basically an ad hoc special interest discussion group that represents a wide spectrum of views. You might set up some polls, to get at least some input from the membership. Even though it will not be scientifically accurate polling, it would certainly show support for or against a particular issue. 73, Rick, KV9U The views represented on this list are highly diverse and it would be nearly impossible to represent them as a singular voice without drifting into errors similar to those of the ARRL. Other than a statistically valid survey of the group using an unbiased measurement tool (unlike most of what is used in the political world of push-polls) I am uncertain how one could begin to speak for this diverse group! :-) The other question one would need to ask is if this group is reasonably representative of Hams interested in digital modes or is the membership a self-selected subset for some identifiable reason? If I am at the FCC I will also want to know two other things: 1. Does this groups represent a diferent, partial, or the same population as the ARRL? 2. What about non-digital mode Hams (ARRL members and non- ARRL members) whose enjoyment of the hobby may be impacted by digital mode-related rulings?
Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
Well said , I agree, that is why I did not dare to express anyone's opinion. - Original Message - From: DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group A dictator is the head of a group and not elected or appointed. :-) Most dictators consider themselves protector of the people and their interest.
Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group
Agreed Rick. I would use polls if we need to express an opinion , I would develop some standards in terns of representative sample size , etc. I doubt we would do this more than once a year or so, Andy K3UK - Original Message - From: KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] The Digital Radio Group As long as you did not misrepresent the group as some formal organization, and indicated that it was an internet discussion group, it should be fine. We are basically an ad hoc special interest discussion group that represents a wide spectrum of views. Indicating someone is the head of a group, does suggest that they are elected or appointed in some way, and personally I would just indicate that I moderated the discussion group. You might set up some polls, to get at least some input from the membership. Even though it will not be scientifically accurate polling, it would certainly show support for or against a particular issue. 73, Rick, KV9U Andrew O'Brien wrote: I have begun using the term The Digital Radio Group, when referring collectively to this email group. This group has almost 2,500 subscribed members , therefore I think the group represents an active constituency of data oriented radio operators. Hopefully this will not appear overly pretentious, but I have contacted the FCC about the revised data bandwidth rules and asked them for clarification. I did so as head of the Digital Radio Group. There may be other times when communication with national or international organizations would be helpful to our members. As an individual member, I would not express opinion on behalf of this group, but feel that it may be appropriate to occasionally ask organizations to clarify their positions. So, I have written to Bill Cross and Riley Hollingsworth on behalf of this group and shared with them some of the key points recently made by members of this group. I will share any response with the membership. Andy K3UK Owner. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Yahoo! Groups Links
