Re: [digitalradio] Re: About the Becker TNCs.... I am confused
At 10:31 AM 9/7/2010, you wrote: There was a set of e-prom up grades was added .. my pk232 is one issue short of the final build .. pactor-2 , may be packtor-3 was in the final prom , Nobody but SCS has P3. I know I had to add a daughter board to mod it to the pk232-mbx .. Same here. Was sent back to AEA for it.
Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000
I have to agree that it would be interesting to experiment with the D-Star modem, but it doesn't seem practical for HF. In addition to gobbling up a fair amount of spectrum, I suspect that it would be difficult to maintain the required SNR with a modem that's 6KHz wide. The narrow-band FDMDV modem worked out well by not only improving sensitivity over WinDRM, but by allowing one to squeeze the signal between the adjacent QRM. The modems quick recover time was a real plus as well - not sure how long it takes for the D-Star modem to re-sync. Tony -K2MO -- Forwarded message -- From: *J. Moen* Date: Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:42 AM Subject: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000 To: kenwoodts-2...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kenwoodts-2...@yahoogroups.com I've gotten interested in D-Star, and have been running what's called a D-Star Hotspot at my home. This is a small piece of hardware that functions as a gmsk modem and connects to an analog radio's 9600bps Data port. The board is connected to a PC running software that allows the radio to be linked to various worldwide D-Star repeaters and reflectors. I did this since my location does not provide reliable access to a D-Star repeater. I just use a D-Star HT to communicate with my Hotspot, which forwards my voice on to the connected repeater, etc. While my Hotspot is using a spare KW TM-D700A for everyday duty, I've wired up a cable to use it with my TS-2000. For this, I'm interested in adapting the 2000 to be a D-Star-capable radio. There are various ways to do this, and one more way that's soon to be released. Those are listed below. I'm interested so I can do D-Star on 6 and 10 meters. ICOM will soon be releasing their new IC-9100 radio, and with the optional D-Star card, it will do D-Star on 6 and 10 meters as well as VHF/UHF and optional 1.2ghz. Except for the very high price, this DC to Daylight radio could be considered a competitor to the TS-2000. Anyway, I want to be able to make simplex D-Star contacts on 6 and 10 meters, but I don't want to spend an arm and a leg. My Hotspot cost about US $140 (built, the kits are cheaper). To function as a standalone D-Star radio, right now I also need a DV Dongle to handle the conversion of audio to and from the AMBE compressed format. The DV Dongle costs $200. So for $340 I have a D-Star capable HF, VHF and UHF radio. And I'm hoping future developments will bring the price down. If anyone else is able to get on 10 meters with D-Star and would like to try to plan a sked, please contact me directly. I am revamping my antennas, but my current end-fed sloper might do the job now, otherwise my vertical should be up and running in a few weeks. Here are the current ways to adapt an analog radio, including HF, that has a 9600 Data port, to D-Star: 1. FunkAmateur DV-Adapter 2.0 fully hardware solution. Built: $600. Kit with ICOM UT-118 about $500. 2. Mini HotSpot or node adapter board with DVAR Hot Spot software connected to DV Dongle's DVTools software. US $340. This is what I'm doing right now. 3. Under development: new node adapter-type board from Fred van Kempen PA4YBR, fully hardware solution. Price and release date unknown. This is cheaper than option 1 and simpler than option 2. I may switch to this approach when available. 4. D-Star Client soundcard software by Jonathan G4KLX. Finding the correct soundcard or dongle is critical, and the interface (unlike traditional data mode interfaces for PSK31, etc.) must contain no filters. But the price is right: Free if you build your own interface between soundcard and radio. Jonathan may support a gmsk or node adapter interface some time in the future, but for now it is soundcard based. One further note -- For a while, I did some digital voice on 20 meters using the FDMDV program that used the MELP codec. This used a fairly narrow bandwidth, about the same as SSB. But it turned out MELP was encumbered with license restrictions that none of us initially knew about. When we found out, that version died immediately. What I learned was digital voice can be done long range with a skip signal as long as conditions are nearly perfect, with little multipath, phase changes or QSB. But, those conditions are not uncommon if you are patient, so I'm hoping to have some long range D_Star QSOs on 10 meters. The bandwidth is theoretically 6.25 hHz, but in practice it is wider than that, hence in my opinion, it would not be advisable in FCC jurisdictions on 160 through 15m. I think on 10 and 6m it could be fun. But I will not use it during a lively contest. Just too wide at that time. Jim - K6JM
Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000
There are people who probably have the answers to the points you make since some have already had DX QSOs using D-Star -- I haven't, so I'm looking to try this out on 10 meters. Mostly I think your prediction will turn out to be correct. I am expecting that only under near-perfect conditions between the two parties will D-Star make it via HF propagation. My experience on VHF is that it's extremely susceptible to multipath. On the other hand, during previous sunspot cycles, I've experienced near-perfect conditions on 10 meters. I definitely would not see the present D-Star for everyday digital voice on HF, though I can see some value in a 6 meter repeater, and some 10 meter activity, with callsign routing, repeater/reflector linking, low speed data, short messages, etc. 10 meters has a lot of real estate, so I would think the wider bandwidth of D-Star will not be un-neighborly except possibly during a busy contest. But then, that's true of a lot of modes on HF during contests. It will be fun to watch David Lowe's Codec2 project evolve and see how narrow a bandwidth he can achieve. For everyday DV on HF, that may be the best path. In the meantime, I'd just like to experiment and learn. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000 I have to agree that it would be interesting to experiment with the D-Star modem, but it doesn't seem practical for HF. In addition to gobbling up a fair amount of spectrum, I suspect that it would be difficult to maintain the required SNR with a modem that's 6KHz wide. The narrow-band FDMDV modem worked out well by not only improving sensitivity over WinDRM, but by allowing one to squeeze the signal between the adjacent QRM. The modems quick recover time was a real plus as well - not sure how long it takes for the D-Star modem to re-sync. Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000
Jim, It would be interesting to see how the D-Star modem performs so please keep us in the loop. From what I gather, the modem for Dave's codec will not be as narrow as the one used for FDMDV. It will still use Peter's FDM modem, but the bandwidth will most likely be closer to 2KHz. Tony -K2MO On 9/7/2010 3:50 PM, J. Moen wrote: There are people who probably have the answers to the points you make since some have already had DX QSOs using D-Star -- I haven't, so I'm looking to try this out on 10 meters. Mostly I think your prediction will turn out to be correct. I am expecting that only under near-perfect conditions between the two parties will D-Star make it via HF propagation. My experience on VHF is that it's extremely susceptible to multipath. On the other hand, during previous sunspot cycles, I've experienced near-perfect conditions on 10 meters. I definitely would not see the present D-Star for everyday digital voice on HF, though I can see some value in a 6 meter repeater, and some 10 meter activity, with callsign routing, repeater/reflector linking, low speed data, short messages, etc. 10 meters has a lot of real estate, so I would think the wider bandwidth of D-Star will not be un-neighborly except possibly during a busy contest. But then, that's true of a lot of modes on HF during contests. It will be fun to watch David Lowe's Codec2 project evolve and see how narrow a bandwidth he can achieve. For everyday DV on HF, that may be the best path. In the meantime, I'd just like to experiment and learn. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - *From:* Tony mailto:d...@optonline.net *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:04 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] D-Star with the TS-2000 I have to agree that it would be interesting to experiment with the D-Star modem, but it doesn't seem practical for HF. In addition to gobbling up a fair amount of spectrum, I suspect that it would be difficult to maintain the required SNR with a modem that's 6KHz wide. The narrow-band FDMDV modem worked out well by not only improving sensitivity over WinDRM, but by allowing one to squeeze the signal between the adjacent QRM. The modems quick recover time was a real plus as well - not sure how long it takes for the D-Star modem to re-sync. Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Airlink Express v.2.1.5.378 Released (now with ARQ and PSReporter support)
Good improvments. Thanks Andy K3UK On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:01 PM, whynotbecreative kg4...@amsat.org wrote: Hi there, I have released a new version of Airlink Express (v.2.1.5.378) which includes the following enhancements: - PSKReporter (Automatic Propagation Reporter) - ARQ (Automatic Repeat Request); sending and receiving of text and binary files - enhanced support for USB based interfaces and audio devices - Arrow key tuning - Selection of pins for FSK keying - Option to use hardware (UART) timing of FSK for interfaces like the Navigator The latest version can be downloaded at http://www.airlinkexpress.org 73, --Alex KR1ST http://www.kr1st.com http://www.airlinkexpress.org
Re: [digitalradio] Re: HF packet still being used ???
Sorry Dave it's gone. At 08:43 AM 9/5/2010, you wrote: But my 2nd SCS TNC with pactor 3 is still up on the selling block. Hmm. How much? You may email direct if you don't want to discuss price here. 73 de Dave, NF2G
Re: [digitalradio] MixW2.20 first reaction
A true Multi-Mode Program for the serious Digital Communications Amateur. Well, well.. la5vna Steinar On 05.09.2010 16:07, Andy obrien wrote: Hmmm, NO RS ID? AT least I have not found it, very disappointing. Olivia modes taken out altogether, or do you need to go through some laborious adding of special DLLs to get Olivia like we used to for Contestia) ? Opps, just found them, under extra modes. yes, you do have to download the DLLs, what an odd extra step. At least you don't have to look all over the internet, easy to download them know. It seems MFSK is limited to MFSK 16 . PSK appears limited to PSK31, 63, and 125. I thought Mixw used to also support PSK 250 and 500. Good additional Packet support. Hell is there, as is SSTV, Throb. Pactor 1, MT63, FAX, and RTTY. No THOR , DominoEx, JT65A, ALE 141 or ALE 400. No report to PSK Reporter feature No multi channel decode feature that I could find. Looks like to enhancements to the Dx Cluster page, but still mostly web clusters. There is a basic Telnet option as in past versions. The interface detection feature is an intriguing idea but I suspect it only detects interfaces MixW have business partnerships with. It said it could not detect any interfaces at my station despite a Microkeyer hooked up. Waterfall appears capable of displaying up to 8 kHz of spectrum (Not sure that is new, but it is nice) Still looks very nice , easy to set up, got 95% of modes people are most likely to use , or ever need. Andy K3UK Andy On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:14 AM, g3vfp g3...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Hi I have added the file to my software download page if anyone is having problems getting it elsewhere. http://www.g3vfp.org/download.html Located in the multimode section. Cheers Dave
Re: [digitalradio] New Version of Mixw released
On 9/5/2010 9:29 AM, obrienaj wrote: A new version of Mixw has been released , find it at http://mysite.verizon.net/jaffejim/index.htm Andy K3UK Andy, I was hoping to see RSID : ( Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] MixW2.20 first reaction
On 9/5/2010 10:07 AM, Andy obrien wrote: PSK appears limited to PSK31, 63, and 125. I thought Mixw used to also support PSK 250 and 500. Andy, It seems you can run the faster PSK modes with Mixw - click MODES MODE SETTINGS and type 125, 250 or 500 in the box next to BAUD RATE. Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] About the Becker TNCs.... I am confused
Sorry for the confusion. I had 2 TNC's up for sale. ONE of each. I mention the wrong one here.. Again sorry. John, W0JAB At 02:04 PM 9/5/2010, you wrote: John Becker wrote: Sorry Dan your about one mouse click to late. I already gave it away to a good home. But my 2nd SCS TNC with pactor 3 is still up on the selling block. No longer need it since I pulled all the stuff out of the pick up truck. (see QRZ dot com profile photo) John, W0JAB At 10:57 AM 9/4/2010, you wrote: If no one wants your PK-232, I would like to play with it. Would pay shipping. Dan WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight
On 9/5/2010 7:29 PM, Rudy Benner wrote: will look for you. ve3bdr Thanks Rudy. Tony -K2MO *From:* Tony mailto:d...@optonline.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:24 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight [1 Attachment] All, I'll be running portable from the back yard this evening beginning at 2300z. Please look for me on 14076 / JT65 mode. Weather is perfect so I'll be on for a few hours. The portable station (QRP / 3 foot diameter loop) is working well. Managed to work a few Europeans today on 20 meter CW. See attached. Tony -K2MO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00
Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight
14076 -700 odd now From: Tony Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:53 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight On 9/5/2010 7:29 PM, Rudy Benner wrote: will look for you. ve3bdr Thanks Rudy. Tony -K2MO From: Tony Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:24 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight [1 Attachment] All, I'll be running portable from the back yard this evening beginning at 2300z. Please look for me on 14076 / JT65 mode. Weather is perfect so I'll be on for a few hours. The portable station (QRP / 3 foot diameter loop) is working well. Managed to work a few Europeans today on 20 meter CW. See attached. Tony -K2MO -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00
Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight
Hamspots shows you on the same frequency as me, but I am not hearing you. From: Rudy Benner Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 8:17 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight 14076 -700 odd now From: Tony Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:53 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight On 9/5/2010 7:29 PM, Rudy Benner wrote: will look for you. ve3bdr Thanks Rudy. Tony -K2MO From: Tony Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:24 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight [1 Attachment] All, I'll be running portable from the back yard this evening beginning at 2300z. Please look for me on 14076 / JT65 mode. Weather is perfect so I'll be on for a few hours. The portable station (QRP / 3 foot diameter loop) is working well. Managed to work a few Europeans today on 20 meter CW. See attached. Tony -K2MO -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00
Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight
Rudy, Thanks for trying. Tony -K2MO On 9/5/2010 8:29 PM, Rudy Benner wrote: Hamspots shows you on the same frequency as me, but I am not hearing you. *From:* Rudy Benner mailto:ben...@vianet.ca *Sent:* Sunday, September 05, 2010 8:17 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight 14076 -700 odd now *From:* Tony mailto:d...@optonline.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:53 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight On 9/5/2010 7:29 PM, Rudy Benner wrote: will look for you. ve3bdr Thanks Rudy. Tony -K2MO *From:* Tony mailto:d...@optonline.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:24 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight [1 Attachment] All, I'll be running portable from the back yard this evening beginning at 2300z. Please look for me on 14076 / JT65 mode. Weather is perfect so I'll be on for a few hours. The portable station (QRP / 3 foot diameter loop) is working well. Managed to work a few Europeans today on 20 meter CW. See attached. Tony -K2MO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3115 - Release Date: 09/05/10 02:34:00
Re: [digitalradio] Portable Ops Tonight
All, Moved over to PSK31 - 14070.0 + 1600Hz (plus or minus QRM). Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] HF packet still being used ???
If no one wants your PK-232, I would like to play with it. Would pay shipping. Dan WD5CND --- On Sat, 9/4/10, John Becker w0...@big-river.net wrote: From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net Subject: [digitalradio] HF packet still being used ??? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 10:11 AM I have been listening to the HF bands for packet over the last few days not hearing any. Is it still in us? I have 2 PK-232's not in use for sometime now and will try to sell, give away or donate to the trash system. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] HF packet still being used ???
Sorry Dan your about one mouse click to late. I already gave it away to a good home. But my 2nd SCS TNC with pactor 3 is still up on the selling block. No longer need it since I pulled all the stuff out of the pick up truck. (see QRZ dot com profile photo) John, W0JAB At 10:57 AM 9/4/2010, you wrote: If no one wants your PK-232, I would like to play with it. Would pay shipping. Dan WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] HF packet still being used ???
Thank you John --- On Sat, 9/4/10, John Becker w0...@big-river.net wrote: From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] HF packet still being used ??? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 1:18 PM Sorry Dan your about one mouse click to late. I already gave it away to a good home. But my 2nd SCS TNC with pactor 3 is still up on the selling block. No longer need it since I pulled all the stuff out of the pick up truck. (see QRZ dot com profile photo) John, W0JAB At 10:57 AM 9/4/2010, you wrote: If no one wants your PK-232, I would like to play with it. Would pay shipping. Dan WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18
Hello Francesco, This is a small bug. To fix it, click on the Fonts button on the bottom of the RX/TX screen. Configure the colors as you want. Note: there is a Multipsk Yahoo group for this type of question. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Francesco Piccone To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18 [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Francesco Piccone included below] There are all who can help me because? the screen panoramic is black,, tnx Francesco YV4GJN MULTIPSK V4.18 Attachment(s) from Francesco Piccone 1 of 1 Photo(s) Multipsk.JPG
RE: [digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18 [1 Attachment]
TNX Patrick J i love MULTIPSK,,, 73 Francesco YV4GJN De: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Patrick Lindecker Enviado el: sábado, 04 de septiembre de 2010 02:50 p.m. Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18 Hello Francesco, This is a small bug. To fix it, click on the Fonts button on the bottom of the RX/TX screen. Configure the colors as you want. Note: there is a Multipsk Yahoo group for this type of question. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Francesco Piccone mailto:fpicc...@cantv.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Multipsk v 4.18 [1 Attachment] There are all who can help me because? the screen panoramic is black,, tnx Francesco YV4GJN MULTIPSK V4.18
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Setting up IC7000 for digital modes ??????????
Thanks, I will disconnect the mic and see how that goes. Using the Digikeyer with it here. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 7:37 PM, aa777888athotmaildotcom aa777...@hotmail.com wrote: Andy, I have one. I also use a similar Microham interface, the USB III. There is absolutely nothing special about setting it up. Put it in USB mode and go. However the Microham products rely on the ACC connector and the downside to this is that when the radio is keyed via that connector the microphone input is live. I have complained to them about that to no avail. Disconnect the microphone to eliminate any background noise from the shack. 73 Scott --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: A friend dropped off his IC-7000, Digikeyer, and notebook for me to configure for digital modes. I have the various digital modes software configured but when I xmit and monitor on the other radio in the shack, the tones sound very odd and the receiving waterfall shows 3Khz wide signal rather than a narrow PSK31 signal. The manual does not have a section for setting up on the digital modes. Can someone save me on the learning curve and tell me how the IC-7000 is set for digital mode transmissions ? Any K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS is back bigger and better !!!
Skip You bring up very good points. I for one would really would like to see a world wide band plan of CW - PHONE as well as DIGITAL all in the same part of the band. I just have got feed up with trying to have a digital QSO on 40 while on the same freq some VE is calling CQ on phone. At some point someone has got to give. Still thinking about sellingEVERYTHING cheap. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS is back bigger and better !!!
On 9/1/2010 5:19 PM, raf3151019 wrote: And the same common sense attitude which occurs in Canada is also applied to the use of frequencies in the UK. There are sections of the bands which are agreed internationally and everybody accepts it. Although it rarely happens I don't agree with the ruling that operators of Morse code are permitted to transmit where they please anywhere on any band. Why ? Why should such a ruling still exist, for what purpose, other than to irritate those using telephony ? G0GQK Mel, I suspect the reason is mostly historical, and because at one time, when telephone just failed to communicate, and everyone understood Morse, CW could get through. In fact, for VHF and UHF weak-signal operation today, it is very common practice to switch between phone and CW when signals are too weak to be understood by phone. I don't think the ruling continues to exist in order to irritate phone operators... Assuming that a phone operator can still decode Morse by ear, it is possible to cross-communicate with phone and CW, but this is not possible with modern digital modes, like PSK31 and Pactor to telephony (PSK31 operators can understand phone, but the reverse is not true), so there is no way to insure frequency sharing without legal separation between phone and digital. F6CTE now has invented RSID, which helps digital modes to cross-communicate with each other, and therefore negotiate the use of a frequency, by making it easy to switch to another's mode automatically. However, not everyone uses this capability yet. Of course, the importance of cross-communication is being able to ask if a frequency is busy, or ask someone to move if it is. 73, Skip KH6TY
Re: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
IT WORKED !! This is part of a sinister plot to take over the world. First it puts you to sleep ... z... then I take over. BEWARE !! I assume you were on LSB? Could have been WISP on 3.5926 USB which puts the carrier on 35941 +/- a couple hundred kc. It almost sounds like a steady tone, you have to listen carefully to detect that it is not. It would also have been JT-65 on 3.576 USB, +/- a few hundred kcs. Lots of activity on JT-65 around 14.076 USB. All data modes use USB. JT-65 and WISP sound very different from each other. Time to adjust your (foil) hat. ve3bdr From: Ian Wade G3NRW Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:51 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m? Listening this morning (Monday) in the UK on 3633 kHz at around 0300 UTC, I heard a strange weebly-warbly digital signal that continued for at least 15 minutes without a break (then it sent me to sleep). The striking characteristic of the signal was that the data rate was very low (a few bits per second?), and the transition between the tones wasn't sharp -- it seemed as if each tone glided gracefully up/down to the next. At first I thought it was ROS, but I haven't heard ROS like this before. Any ideas on provenance? -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
Re: [digitalradio] Re: A shot of my WSPR screen...
I got one decoded signal, 10316 -17 -1.1 10.140158 0 VE7THZ DN09 30. The rest of the night, nothing. Abdy 2010/8/30 Peter Frenning pe...@frenning.dk søn, 29 08 2010 kl. 22:45 -0400, skrev Andy obrien: Interesting, I get the same thing. It has been months since I tried WSPR. I checked my old guide http://www.frenning.dk/OZ1PIF_HOMEPAGE/Whisper_Guide.html Followed my own instructions and get NO decode. Will play around some more On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Robert L. Tucker rltuc...@aol.com wrote: ...showing spots but no decodes. BTW, I went through the steps to upload this image to the Photos section of the website, but it doesn't show up... just a little blue box with a ? inside. Robert K5TD Robert and Andy I don't really understand what your problem(s) are. For me, and hundreds of other users it just works, as witnessed by this screen shot (taken from my linux Ubuntu to boot) And the reporting system works just as smoothly these days as witnessed by this excerpt from wsprnet.org: *Spot Database* Specify query parameters http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spotquery 50 spots: *Timestamp* *Call* *MHz* *SNR* *Drift* *Grid* *Pwr* *Reporter* * RGrid* *km* *az*2010-08-30 08:48PA3GFE10.140133-200 JO21rk0.1OZ1PIFJO65an63241 2010-08-30 08:48 DM1FS 10.140169 -4 0 JN39wu 5 OZ1PIF JO65an 694 222010-08-30 08:48 G3RIK 10.140224 -3 0 IO83wp 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 935 71 2010-08-30 08:48 F6BIA 10.140252 0 0 JN18dq 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 1012 372010-08-30 08:48 G3RIK 10.140281 -23 0 IO83wp 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 935 712010-08-30 08:46 DH3JO 10.140188 -19 -1 JO30lw 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 615 312010-08-30 08:46 F5KIS 10.140226 +2 0 JN23qi 10 OZ1PIF JO65an 1439 172010-08-30 08:46 DL4RU 10.140286 -14 0 JN69cr 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 649 3592010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140264 -20 1 JO65an 0.5 MW0VVO IO71mt 1191 2572010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140238 -16 0 JO65an 0.5 G8SQH IO81tx 1025 2532010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140162 -23 0 JO65an 0.5 G4FUI IO84pp 942 2702010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140243 -23 0 JO65an 0.5 DL6MFL JN58ta 839 1822010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140259 -19 0 JO65an 0.5 PA1GSJ JO22da 643 2352010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140250 -18 0 JO65an 0.5 DL1MMK JN58sd 825 1832010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140258 -2 0 JO65an 0.5 F6BIA JN18dq 1012 2252010-08-30 08:44 OZ1PIF 10.140248 -17 0 JO65an 0.5 DL4RU JN69cr 649 1792010-08-30 08:42 M0PPP 10.140241 -19 0 IO93gm 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 898 702010-08-30 08:40 F1EXL 10.140130 -5 0 IN98qh 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 1182 422010-08-30 08:40 DM1FS 10.140168 +2 1 JN39wu 5 OZ1PIF JO65an 694 222010-08-30 08:40 F6BIA 10.140252 -9 0 JN18dq 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 1012 372010-08-30 08:38 PA3GFE 10.140133 -4 0 JO21rk 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 632 412010-08-30 08:38 G3RIK 10.140224 -8 0 IO83wp 1 OZ1PIF JO65an 935 712010-08-30 08:36 F2WA 10.140199 +7 1 JN38rm 10 OZ1PIF JO65an 843 202010-08-30 08:34 OZ1PIF 10.140238 -19 0 JO65an 0.5 G8SQH IO81tx 1025 2532010-08-30 08:34 OZ1PIF 10.140258 -7 0 JO65an 0.5 F6BIA JN18dq 1012 225 2010-08-30 08:34 OZ1PIF 10.140279 -7 0 JO65an 0.5 F2WA JN38rm 843 2042010-08-30 08:32 F6BIA 10.140253 +2 0 JN18dq 2 OZ1PIF JO65an 1012 372010-08-30 08:30 DH3JO 10.140189 -15 -1 JO30lw 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 615 312010-08-30 08:30 HB9LFT 10.140198 -18 0 JN47cl 5 OZ1PIF JO65an 937 152010-08-30 08:30 DL6NL 10.140216 -8 0 JO50cb 0.1 OZ1PIF JO65an 624 11 Vy 73 de OZ1PIF/5Q2M, Peter * ** Genius is one per cent inspiration, ** ** and ninety-nine per cent** ** perspiration. ** ** -- Thomas A. Edison ** * email: peter(no-spam filler)@frenning.dk filler...@frenning.dkhttp://www.frenning.dk/oz1pif.htm Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark *
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New
Thanks Jeff, that helps a lot. Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 9:51 PM Dan, The TH-F6A DOES NOT have a modem in it. It can be used with an external TNC (like a Kantronics KPC-3+, Open-Tracker, TNC-X, etc.). Quite a few of the TH-F6A's suffer from a low deviation problem. If people complain about your low audio, you WON'T be able to use the radio for packet comms, until the deviation problem is fixed. Radios that do have TNC's in them: TH-D7; Yaesu VX-8GR, FT-350;Kenwood TM-D700, TM-D710; Alinco DR-635 (several other Alinco mobiles have an optional TNC module). There are probably a few others I missed. Most will require a separate GPS also. How complicated it is depends on exactly what you want to do. If you want to send out APRS packets so that others can track your movements - all you need is a TinyTrak type device and an HT. If you want to be able to track others APRS signals on a map, then you need a full blown TNC, radio, and a computer running APRS software. The in-between area (you don't need a map display) - you can use the self contained units like the Yaesu DX-8GR (includes the GPS) or the Kenwood D7 HT ( will need a GPS) or the mobiles with TNC's built-in that will also require a GPS. Your best bet is to hook up with a local mentor that can help guide you through the ins and out of getting up and running on APRS. 73, Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend, Oregon - Original Message - From: Dan Walker Thank you, seems so complicated! very limited funds. Will try to get it setup with your help. Again Thanks, Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:58 AM Dan, Although the TH-F6A has a Packet modem, that is not all you need to operate APRS with that HT. You will also need a computer, laptop if operating portable or mobile connected to the TH-F6A, see page 45 of the operating manual for cables ect. Then you would need a TNC that would connect with the GPS unit or manually enter in lat - long locations though software (see UI-View: http://www.ui-view.org/) that the TNC can send to the TH-F6A. You may want to look for a used Kenwood TH-D7A/G that has APRS as one of the built in features. There is supposed to be a new Kenwood HT, Kenwood TH-D72? with built-in APRS and GPS, however no release date as to when the new HT will be available. You might watch the TH-D7 Yahoo group for more information: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kenwood_TH-D7/ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dan Walker wd5...@... wrote: Plan on orerating mobile have Kenwood TH-F6A and my Tom Tom is not the highend unit I thought it was. TH-F6A says it has 1200bps modem for VHF. How do I put it all togather? Not even sure what I can do with APRS. Been off the air for a while. Dan I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 Time: 06:13:31 IT WORKED !! This is part of a sinister plot to take over the world. First it puts you to sleep ... z... then I take over. BEWARE !! I assume you were on LSB? Could have been WISP on 3.5926 USB which puts the carrier on 35941 +/- a couple hundred kc. It almost sounds like a steady tone, you have to listen carefully to detect that it is not. It would also have been JT-65 on 3.576 USB, +/- a few hundred kcs. Lots of activity on JT-65 around 14.076 USB. All data modes use USB. JT-65 and WISP sound very different from each other. Time to adjust your (foil) hat. ve3bdr Yes, Rudy, it was LSB, but it was neither WSPR nor JT-65. It was the distinctive gliding from one tone to another that made it stand out from anything I have heard before. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW
Re: [digitalradio] Weebly-warbly on 80m?
MFSK8? On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Ian Wade G3NRW g3...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca benner%40vianet.ca Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 Time: 06:13:31 Yes, Rudy, it was LSB, but it was neither WSPR nor JT-65. It was the distinctive gliding from one tone to another that made it stand out from anything I have heard before. -- 73 Ian, G3NRW Replg3...@yahoo.co.uk?subject=re:+%5Bdigitalradio%5D+Weebly-warbly+on+80m?
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Sorry Howard But this brain dead thinking (or lack of it) about pactor that some seen to have just burns me the wrong way. I guess if I had a sound card in the shack computer I could blast back every time I get QRM'ed by some other mode also. Speaking of, where have you been hiding your pactor station at? John At 11:26 PM 8/29/2010, you wrote: Thank you, John, Sir. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79NV
Re: [digitalradio] DM-780
Assuming you're using v5, it is activated via a macro instruction rsid. For use on receive, go to Program Options, Modes + IDs, the Reed Solomon (RSID) tab, and Enable RSID detection. You can also activate a RSID transmit button as well, if you don't want to program it into the macros. That option is on the right-hand side of the Reed-Solomon (RSID) tab mentioned in the previous paragraph. Dave K3DCW On Aug 30, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Lynn wrote: Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net
Re: [digitalradio] DM-780
Yes, it does. TOOLSPROGRAM OPTIONSMODES IDS - SELECT THE RSID TAB. ve3bdr From: Lynn Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] DM-780 Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3102 - Release Date: 08/30/10 02:35:00
RE: [digitalradio] DM-780
Not every version though. Only these later versions over the last eight months or so. Rick - KH2DF From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rudy Benner Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:28 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] DM-780 Yes, it does. TOOLSPROGRAM OPTIONSMODES IDS - SELECT THE RSID TAB. ve3bdr From: Lynn mailto:n0...@cox.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] DM-780 Could someone tell me if DM-780 uses RSID/TSID. Thought it supported it, but can't find where to turn it on or off. Thanks Lynn _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3102 - Release Date: 08/30/10 02:35:00
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK successful tests on 600m
Pretty impressive , Murray. Thanks for the update. Andy K3UK On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM, zl1...@nzart.org.nz wrote: I ran 200W of CMSK8 for two hours last night, with 100% copy at VK2DDI (2200km range) and good copy with very deep fades at ZL2AFP (500km range). Copy was good in VK2 well before sunset. Later in the evening a test with 50W of CMSK63 was also 100% copy for long periods at both locations. The transmissions were on 508.150kHz. I used a Redifon DU505 exciter. The transmitter is Class D H-bridge and the antenna a base loaded inverted L with 7.5m upwire, and three 30m top wires. Both receiving stations used PA0RDT mini-whip antennas. 73, Murray ZL1BPU R zl1...@nzart.org.nz?subject=cmsk+successful+tests+on+600m
RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of k4cjx Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:12 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Amazing that one thinks that 1 percent can cause any type of difference, anywhere, especially on the Phone bands. When that 1 percent deploys unattended stations that transmit without first checking to see if the frequency is in use, they can create havoc far out of proportion to their fraction of ham community. Regulation by bandwidth and not by mode seems to be working everywhere that it is allowed. under a bandwidth regulatory environment, there is no phone band. True, if ops generally have the courtesy to not QRM existing QSOs. Those who rudely deploy unattended stations without competent busy frequency detectors are what make regulation by bandwith unacceptable. BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future. The ARRL withdrew its regulation by bandwidth proposal because it had no effective response to the factual assertions that this proposal would greatly expand the frequency range accessible to unattended stations without providing any means of ensuring that such stations would not QRM existing QSOs. When those who deploy unattended stations upgrade them to rarely QRM existing QSOs (emergency conditions excepted), regulation by bandwidth will become possible. 73, Dave, AA6YQ
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
On 8/29/2010 2:12 PM, k4cjx wrote: BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future. Steve, k4cjx, aaa9ac Let's not try to distort history. The ARRL was essentially taken over by Winlink, in this instance. when the proposal was written http://www.zerobeat.net/bandplan-dissent.html so it was really Winlink's proposal, not the ARRL's proposal, and was roundly rejected by both phone band hams and digital operators, and rightfully so. As so many have complained, the bandwidth of ROS is hugely inappropriate for the digital portions of the bands, for what it can accomplish in comparison to much more narrow modes, and even lacks the basic busy detector which would allow it to share the frequencies with other stations, just as Winlink stations lack, and often do battle among themselves, for a frequency instead of sharing it on a first-come-first serve basis. As far as the phone bands being opened to digital operations is concerned, there is still lacking a practical means to cross-communicate between phone and digital in order to effect frequency sharing. This is a major reason that there must continue to be legal separation between digital operators and phone in order to protect the phone bands from being dominated by digital operations, and until phone operators and digital operators can cross-communicate and cooperatively share frequencies, it is probably going to stay that way. Our limited ham bands must be shared by all interests and do not exist just for the convenience and pleasure of a minority that does not subscribe to, or practice, frequency sharing. We are fortunate to have REGULATIONS in this country, instead of merely bandplans (which are only recommendations), to prevent the dominance of the bands from a few who refuse to adopt frequency sharing practices or technologies. If you do not live under FCC jurisdiction, you also need to be thankful for the same reguations that have protected you also, as radio waves often obey no international boundaries. 73, Skip KH6TY
RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of John B. Stephensen Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:29 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The ARRL response was that the final proposal retained the existing automatic subands. My recollection is that a flurry of desperate activity preceded the ARRL's retracting its proposal; if part of that flurry included a modification that would have retained the automatic sub-bands, I don't recall seeing it. 73, Dave, AA6YQ - Original Message - When that 1 percent deploys unattended stations that transmit without first checking to see if the frequency is in use, they can create havoc far out of proportion to their fraction of ham community. Regulation by bandwidth and not by mode seems to be working everywhere that it is allowed. under a bandwidth regulatory environment, there is no phone band. True, if ops generally have the courtesy to not QRM existing QSOs. Those who rudely deploy unattended stations without competent busy frequency detectors are what make regulation by bandwith unacceptable. BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future. The ARRL withdrew its regulation by bandwidth proposal because it had no effective response to the factual assertions that this proposal would greatly expand the frequency range accessible to unattended stations without providing any means of ensuring that such stations would not QRM existing QSOs. When those who deploy unattended stations upgrade them to rarely QRM existing QSOs (emergency conditions excepted), regulation by bandwidth will become possible. 73, Dave, AA6YQ
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
Hi Trevor, Op 29-08-10 11:08, Trevor . schreef: I do not understand why -say- the IARU does not does this. I'm not say they should endorce any standard of any technology. Unfortunately it would require a volunteer willing to put in a lot of hard work to do. Volunteers are always in short supply. Well, I don't know. In the internet-world, RFCs are usually written by the people who design the protocol or the technology explained in the RFC. The IETF doesn't do that neither. All the IARU should do is: - encourage people who create new protocols and technologies to document it in a written document. - Do quality control (e.g. concerning the exact wording of the RFCs) - Publish them. (which just means put them on their website). Now I must say. Thinking about it. Perhaps one of the differences in (say) an internet-protocol and ham digital modes is that the first group is usually created by teams of people, while I have the impression that a lot of the digital modes are created by just one or a very limited number of people. In a team, there usually already is written documentation anyway (as part of the process of coming up with the specification and the discussions inside the team), it's probably much easier to translate the final version into a RFC-document and there usually already is somebody of the team assigned to documentation anyway. If you do create something by yourself, most people have something on paper, but most of it in my head. The task of asking now write this all into a nice technical spec is then much more work. Perhaps what Dave (Rowe, creator of codec2) should do is to make a technical presentation on some ham conference (preferable filmed and available on youtube afterwards) so that somebody else can start write a technical specs based on that. And, to be honest. Having to give a technical presentation is not necessairy a bad thing. I noticed myself that, having to make some slides and having to think on how to explain something, quite often leads to some insides into problems you are having. :-) One existing source of info is http://www.arrl.org/technical-characteristics But this doesn't provide always provide detailed description of a mode, for instance you couldn't recreate Pactor-III from the information supplied there. Also I suspect it's not kept up to date with mode enhancements. Thanks for the link. Very interesting. IIRC, pactor 2 and pactor 3 use patented technology so I doubt it will be freely documented somewhere. :-( 73 Trevor M5AKA Cheerio! Kristoff ON5ARF (ex ON1ARF)
RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Me just thinking out loud.. Would we be talking about this if one could operate Pactor 2 or 3 on a 15 buck sound card from any wal*mart? I think not. I for one can run all 3 pactor modes having the modem. (by putting out the cash for the thing in the first place) and enjoy the many QSO's that I have had. Not every, and I think that really needs to be said again and again that not every pactor signal heard is some mail system. I have been QRMed many times because the other person was thinking oh it's just another robot. Well guess what? But the good side of this now is that they (the robots) are now on WINMOR for the most part. So now you really must ask yourself before you QRM that pactor is that really a robot or 2 in a pactor QSO. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New
Dan, The TH-F6A DOES NOT have a modem in it. It can be used with an external TNC (like a Kantronics KPC-3+, Open-Tracker, TNC-X, etc.). Quite a few of the TH-F6A's suffer from a low deviation problem. If people complain about your low audio, you WON'T be able to use the radio for packet comms, until the deviation problem is fixed. Radios that do have TNC's in them: TH-D7; Yaesu VX-8GR, FT-350;Kenwood TM-D700, TM-D710; Alinco DR-635 (several other Alinco mobiles have an optional TNC module). There are probably a few others I missed. Most will require a separate GPS also. How complicated it is depends on exactly what you want to do. If you want to send out APRS packets so that others can track your movements - all you need is a TinyTrak type device and an HT. If you want to be able to track others APRS signals on a map, then you need a full blown TNC, radio, and a computer running APRS software. The in-between area (you don't need a map display) - you can use the self contained units like the Yaesu DX-8GR (includes the GPS) or the Kenwood D7 HT ( will need a GPS) or the mobiles with TNC's built-in that will also require a GPS. Your best bet is to hook up with a local mentor that can help guide you through the ins and out of getting up and running on APRS. 73, Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend, Oregon - Original Message - From: Dan Walker Thank you, seems so complicated! very limited funds. Will try to get it setup with your help. Again Thanks, Dan --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:58 AM Dan, Although the TH-F6A has a Packet modem, that is not all you need to operate APRS with that HT. You will also need a computer, laptop if operating portable or mobile connected to the TH-F6A, see page 45 of the operating manual for cables ect. Then you would need a TNC that would connect with the GPS unit or manually enter in lat - long locations though software (see UI-View: http://www.ui-view.org/) that the TNC can send to the TH-F6A. You may want to look for a used Kenwood TH-D7A/G that has APRS as one of the built in features. There is supposed to be a new Kenwood HT, Kenwood TH-D72? with built-in APRS and GPS, however no release date as to when the new HT will be available. You might watch the TH-D7 Yahoo group for more information: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kenwood_TH-D7/ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dan Walker wd5...@... wrote: Plan on orerating mobile have Kenwood TH-F6A and my Tom Tom is not the highend unit I thought it was. TH-F6A says it has 1200bps modem for VHF. How do I put it all togather? Not even sure what I can do with APRS. Been off the air for a while. Dan I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Thank you, John, Sir. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79NV - Original Message - From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Me just thinking out loud.. Would we be talking about this if one could operate Pactor 2 or 3 on a 15 buck sound card from any wal*mart? I think not. I for one can run all 3 pactor modes having the modem. (by putting out the cash for the thing in the first place) and enjoy the many QSO's that I have had. Not every, and I think that really needs to be said again and again that not every pactor signal heard is some mail system. I have been QRMed many times because the other person was thinking oh it's just another robot. Well guess what? But the good side of this now is that they (the robots) are now on WINMOR for the most part. So now you really must ask yourself before you QRM that pactor is that really a robot or 2 in a pactor QSO. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] New
There's a good introduction to APRS at http://www.wa8lmf.net/bruninga/aprs.html At the bottom of that page is a link to join the TAPR APRSSIG email list. It is very active and I'd recommend you join. My other suggestion applies if you would like to have some fun at home right off the bat. Download a copy of UI-View32 from http://www.ui-view.org/ You can start out running this program to watch other position beacons as they are reported through RF digipeaters with IGate capability. That is, you can play with APRS reporting from data on the internet even before you hook up your PC to your radio. You can focus on any location you want, world-wide. My first introduction to APRS, years ago, was when a friend took a vacation and beaconed the whole trip. I could watch in near real time as he navigated across the US. In addition to UI-View32, you can use the findu.com site to lookup APRS info directly on the internet. To focus on your home town of Joplin, MO, using findu.com, I looked for APRS activity near your lat/long as reported on qrz.com for your callsign: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/near.cgi?lat=37.034415lon=-94.509317last=240distance=200n=100rate=1 It shows the activity in your area, and the fact that there's an IGate in Joplin. Next you can connect to your radio and begin to have UI-View32 issue position reports from your home QTH. You can configure UI-View32 with your fixed lat/long info and don't need a GPS for that. Some people who have a home weather station that can connect to their PC will use that to have their home QTH APRS beacons contain the latest temp, wind, etc. If it's still fun, I'd consider the other recommendations you've gotten. As Jeff KE7ACY pointed out If you want to send out APRS packets so that others can track your movements - all you need is a TinyTrak type device and an HT. That can be fun. One time I was at Dayton for the Hamvention. I typically bring along my HT and a mag mount for the rental car. Hooked up the gps to the HT as I drove around the area. I'd given my wife the findu.com link to track me, and she called me on the cell from back in California and asked why I was on the freeway going 8 miles per hour. I thought that was pretty funny, while I sat there in the traffic jam. As suggested by others, you can go whole hog while mobile and bring along a lap or netbook and hook your gps to that, and to the radio. People do that, but I would first try some of the simpler ideas listed above to get started. Good luck. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Dan To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:18 PM Subject: [digitalradio] New I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
I wonder if Patrick would be interested ??? Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: All, I received an email from Peter Martinez today regarding the new codec developed by Dave Rowe. I had asked him if it was possible to use it in one of the digital voice applications and he explained that the modem, which was originally designed by Peter for a different voice codec, would have to be modified for it to work with Dave's codec. He said that he would not be able to take this on at the moment because of other obligations, but he did mention that he would pass along the know-how to anyone who would like to try writing a modem for Dave's codec based on Peter's own FDM design. This is how Cesco, HB9TLK re-engineered Peter's modem to work with a slower 1400 bps codec for the digital voice program FDMDV and how Erik, VK4RS developed EasyPal Unfortunately, we haven't been able to get in touch with Cesco for some time now so it may be necessary to have someone come up with a new digital voice application - something along the lines of WinDRM / FDMDV. If anyone is interested in taking on these projects, please contact me direct and I will put you in touch with Peter. Thanks, Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
Hello Andy, I think it would be an interesting subject. However, if such mode was created I think it might be rather be conceived in some public way, so that the detailed specifications be public and written by specialists of this specific matter (I don't belong to these specialists). Then, it would be (relatively) easy to carry these detailed specifications to multimode programs, which would be compatible on this particular mode. Now, I think the Cesco program (FDMDV) exists and it worked well (at least with the first Codec), so... 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem I wonder if Patrick would be interested ??? Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: All, I received an email from Peter Martinez today regarding the new codec developed by Dave Rowe. I had asked him if it was possible to use it in one of the digital voice applications and he explained that the modem, which was originally designed by Peter for a different voice codec, would have to be modified for it to work with Dave's codec. He said that he would not be able to take this on at the moment because of other obligations, but he did mention that he would pass along the know-how to anyone who would like to try writing a modem for Dave's codec based on Peter's own FDM design. This is how Cesco, HB9TLK re-engineered Peter's modem to work with a slower 1400 bps codec for the digital voice program FDMDV and how Erik, VK4RS developed EasyPal Unfortunately, we haven't been able to get in touch with Cesco for some time now so it may be necessary to have someone come up with a new digital voice application - something along the lines of WinDRM / FDMDV. If anyone is interested in taking on these projects, please contact me direct and I will put you in touch with Peter. Thanks, Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
Hi all, Talking of documentation and specs. I am still pretty new to radio-amateurism (just started again after more then 17 years) one of the first things I noticed when I started exploring all these digital modes, is that it is pretty difficult to get specifications and exact documentation of them all. If I look at the culture of the internet and opensource (which is my profesional background), I'm still surprised that there is not central repository of all these digital modes. In the internet-world, there is the IETF (internet Engineering Task Force) and there are RFCs. Almost all protocols are published as a RFC, for everybody to read; usually at the same time when applications and tools using it appear; and the IETF make sure there is a consistent wording and quality in these documents. This means that everbody who is interested in a protocol or some technology can just download the specs and read them. Either I have looked good enout, but AFAIK, in the ham-world; that does not exist at all. I've been searching all over the web to find information on how all these digital modes really work and you really need to scrap information together for all over the web (without any certainty what is now the correct way). I do not understand why -say- the IARU does not does this. I'm not say they should endorce any standard of any technology. But, the way I see it, it should really help if they would provide a platform so that everybody who comes up with a new technology or a protocol can document it (in a way consistent to other RFCs and place it in a central repostitory so that everybody can read it. That would help a lot, clear up inconsistencies between programs and help developers to write code. Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. Op 28-08-10 11:17, Patrick Lindecker schreef: Hello Andy, I think it would be an interesting subject. However, if such mode was created I think it might be rather be conceived in some public way, so that the _detailed _specifications be public and written by specialists of this specific matter (I don't belong to these specialists). Then, it would be (relatively) easy to carry these detailed specifications to multimode programs, which would be compatible on this particular mode. Now, I think the Cesco program (FDMDV) exists and it worked well (at least with the first Codec), so... 73 Patrick - Original Message - *From:* Andy obrien mailto:k3uka...@gmail.com *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem I wonder if Patrick would be interested ??? Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Tony d...@optonline.net mailto:d...@optonline.net wrote: All, I received an email from Peter Martinez today regarding the new codec developed by Dave Rowe. I had asked him if it was possible to use it in one of the digital voice applications and he explained that the modem, which was originally designed by Peter for a different voice codec, would have to be modified for it to work with Dave's codec. He said that he would not be able to take this on at the moment because of other obligations, but he did mention that he would pass along the know-how to anyone who would like to try writing a modem for Dave's codec based on Peter's own FDM design. This is how Cesco, HB9TLK re-engineered Peter's modem to work with a slower 1400 bps codec for the digital voice program FDMDV and how Erik, VK4RS developed EasyPal Unfortunately, we haven't been able to get in touch with Cesco for some time now so it may be necessary to have someone come up with a new digital voice application - something along the lines of WinDRM / FDMDV. If anyone is interested in taking on these projects, please contact me direct and I will put you in touch with Peter. Thanks, Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice update #2 - programmers wanted - codec2 and the G3PLX modem
Speaking of digital voice I had a nice but short QSO today while driving home from a event I had been to. I was really shocked because out of the clear blue I had been listening to VHF when the HF radio started talking. So I just had to answer his DV CQ. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] New
You don't specifically NEED a GPS unit for APRS unless you plan on operating mobile. APRS uses VHF, HF, or both. Which do you plan? If mobile, most use VHF.. 2 meters. On HF is is mainly 30M but there is some HF APRS on 20M too. Most common APRS methods use packet radio. 300 baud packet on HF and 1200 baud packet on 30M . There is some APRS using PSK but that is not as common. So, to start, we need to figure out how you intend to generate the packet tones and decode the received signals . If mobile , we need to figure out if you have one of the special radios that has a TNC built in. or are you going to need one like the small TNC-X (designed by my neighbour a few blocks away). Not mobile, you can use a soundcard based application , like Multpsk, to generate the Packet tones in APRS mode. Many GPS units do not work with ham radio and APRS. Only the higher-end GPS units tend to come with data output presented in a manner than can be linked to a radio. So don't assume your Tom Tom will do what u want unless it outputs data via NMEA So, tell me more about what you have in mind ? Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Dan wd5...@yahoo.com wrote: I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] New
Just my two cents worth.. About QRV APRS . I think nobody use it now. It possible to add APRS logo to your qrzcom page and when you click on it show your position You can see sample of use it in the few pages now, for example click to: http://www.qrz.com/db/k8waw or http://www.qrz.com/db/do3nn You wrote : I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD web design in www.qrz.com Sample and download books on http://www.qrz.com/db/Ua6jd
Re: [digitalradio] New
Plan on orerating mobile have Kenwood TH-F6A and my Tom Tom is not the highend unit I thought it was. TH-F6A says it has 1200bps modem for VHF. How do I put it all togather? Not even sure what I can do with APRS. Been off the air for a while. Dan --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 7:45 PM You don't specifically NEED a GPS unit for APRS unless you plan on operating mobile. APRS uses VHF, HF, or both. Which do you plan? If mobile, most use VHF.. 2 meters. On HF is is mainly 30M but there is some HF APRS on 20M too. Most common APRS methods use packet radio. 300 baud packet on HF and 1200 baud packet on 30M . There is some APRS using PSK but that is not as common. So, to start, we need to figure out how you intend to generate the packet tones and decode the received signals . If mobile , we need to figure out if you have one of the special radios that has a TNC built in. or are you going to need one like the small TNC-X (designed by my neighbour a few blocks away). Not mobile, you can use a soundcard based application , like Multpsk, to generate the Packet tones in APRS mode. Many GPS units do not work with ham radio and APRS. Only the higher-end GPS units tend to come with data output presented in a manner than can be linked to a radio. So don't assume your Tom Tom will do what u want unless it outputs data via NMEA So, tell me more about what you have in mind ? Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Dan wd5...@yahoo.com wrote: I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND
Re: [digitalradio] New
Thank You, Dan --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Vlad_UA6JD jt...@mail-on.us wrote: From: Vlad_UA6JD jt...@mail-on.us Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New To: Dan digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 10:01 PM Just my two cents worth.. About QRV APRS . I think nobody use it now. It possible to add APRS logo to your qrzcom page and when you click on it show your position You can see sample of use it in the few pages now, for example click to: http://www.qrz.com/db/k8waw or http://www.qrz.com/db/do3nn You wrote : I would like to try APRS, but have no idea where to start. I now have a GPS unit from TomTom. What else do I need and where do I start? Thank you, Dan Walker WD5CND Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD web design in www.qrz.com Sample and download books on http://www.qrz.com/db/Ua6jd
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice News - VK5DGR's Open Source Codec
It is good news, although I still think MELP was more legal than people think. Andy K3UK On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:28 PM, J. Moen j...@jwmoen.com wrote: This is very, very good news, and it may turn out to be a very big deal. It will be fun to hear reports from the early adopters. There aren't many people who can write this kind of code -- if you like where Dave is headed, you may want to donate to his CODEC2 effort that's referred to in the link below. Ever since we all discovered that MELP was not legally available, we've all been waiting for something good that's open source. CODEC2 may allow a narrow enough bandwidth for widespread use on HF, and it may provide an alternative for VHF/UHF digital voice in the future. While I don't begrudge D-Star's use of the $25 AMBE proprietary codec on a chip, that approach prevents the kind of experimentation that hams are famous for. A software only codec would be very welcome as the future unfolds Jim - K6JM
Re: [digitalradio] speaking of digital voice
Can you check and repost that link? ve3bdr From: John Becker Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:32 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] speaking of digital voice Sunday's around 11:00 Sundays is a real good time to find some of us on 14,236 DV. If your lucky - you may even get me mobile as I'll be on the move this Sunday. see - http://www.hamradio-dv.org/aor/digital-ssb/fellow-users/fellow-users-pics/w0jab/w0jab-stn.htm for a photo of my mobile set up. John W0JAB in hot Missouri - where it STILL takes only 1.5 hours to bake a potato in a closed car.. dit dit No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 02:34:00
Re: [digitalradio] Signal Around 14113.5 - What Is It?
ROS ? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Rick Westerfield r_lwesterfi...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello, Anybody have any idea what the mode/signal is around 14113.5? It is wide on the waterfall and there is no RSID. Sounds familiar but I cannot decode it. Any ideas? Rick – KH2DF Repr_lwesterfi...@bellsouth.net?subject=signal+around+14113.5+-+what+is+it?
Re: [digitalradio] speaking of digital voice
At 04:34 PM 8/27/2010, you wrote: Can you check and repost that link? ve3bdr Seems to be a problem with the site for some reason here it is.. 1393d54.jpg inline: 1393d54.jpg
RE: [digitalradio] HOW TO- Packet Keyboard-to-Keyboard operation?
Mike... You can also put your TNC in Converse mode. This will allow you to transmit in the blind like calling CQ or just announcing you are Listening. There should be Converse mode for your TNC. Good luck, Joe N3JNX To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com From: mikefa...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:47:07 + Subject: [digitalradio] HOW TO- Packet Keyboard-to-Keyboard operation? Yes, I'm a packet newb. I just got my VHF packet system running (817/Signalink USB/Laptop/AGW/PacTerm) and can connect to a couple of local BBS. But I would like to understand how to actually do a keyboard to keyboard QSO using packet. I assume this does NOT go through a BBS. I've ready about 'keyboard to' but cannot find actual instructions about how to actually go about it. I have a willing friend ham on the other end that will work with me. Eventually I'd like to incorporate PacLink and Thunderbird and make that same keyboard-to-keyboard QSO using the Thunderbird Email client interface. Thanks for any pointers, URLs, docs. Mike
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Voice News - VK5DGR's Open Source Codec
This is very, very good news, and it may turn out to be a very big deal. It will be fun to hear reports from the early adopters. There aren't many people who can write this kind of code -- if you like where Dave is headed, you may want to donate to his CODEC2 effort that's referred to in the link below. Ever since we all discovered that MELP was not legally available, we've all been waiting for something good that's open source. CODEC2 may allow a narrow enough bandwidth for widespread use on HF, and it may provide an alternative for VHF/UHF digital voice in the future. While I don't begrudge D-Star's use of the $25 AMBE proprietary codec on a chip, that approach prevents the kind of experimentation that hams are famous for. A software only codec would be very welcome as the future unfolds Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Digital Voice News - VK5DGR's Open Source Codec All, Dave Rowe, VK5DGR, has just released an open source speech codec that could potentially be used in such digital voice applications as FDMDV and WinDRM. Dave says that his new CODEC2 needs work, but the speech quality of the Alpha release is pretty good. He has a few audio samples of CODEC2 and the proprietary codec MELP (for comparison) on his website: http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=452 For more information, visit Dave's main site at http://www.rowetel.com/blog/ Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK Freq's
Juergen, I was listening/looking at that time and saw one signal but it was too weak to decode. I assume it was you. Bob, WU9Q - Original Message - From: Juergen dl...@darc.de To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:58 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK Freq's Looking at the JT65-signals on 14076 yesterday and comparing them with other days the propagation was indeed very poor (at least on my side). The RB reports on W4CQZ's webpage showed similar results. I will try to be qrv again today and tomorrow around 2200 UTC on 14076 + 1000 Hz, USB in CMSK31 and CMSK63. 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@... wrote: I alternated calls to you and calls to CQ and never heard another signal. Not sure how propagation is, though. 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Juergen Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:30 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK Freq's Called there in CMSK31 and 63 from 22.00 - 22.30 UTC. No reply. Will be there again tomorrow. 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, k8yzk k8yzk@ wrote: I know CMSK is mainly for 160/80 metes (which I currently can't do), but what freq's are being used currently on the other bands/ thanks and 73 Kurt http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Hi Steinar I copy you 100%. in IO81. No 'fine tuning' necessary. Can't reply. Not set up to Tx on 80 73 Robert G3WKU - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Great ! I am down to about 10w now. Are you still copying me Robert ? la5vna S On 25.08.2010 22:47, Robert Bennett wrote: Hi Steinar I copy you 100%. in IO81. No 'fine tuning' necessary. Can't reply. Not set up to Tx on 80 73 Robert G3WKU - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar
RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Listening for you in PA Russell 73 KB3MOW Dave -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:44 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Copy you 599 Russell, but guess you aren't hearing me 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:44 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Dave I was seeing some one but unable to decode them I was set on 63 and sample rate at 8000 I will keep trying Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net wrote: From: Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 4:05 PM Copy you 599 Russell, but guess you aren't hearing me 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:44 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Yes, I think I got it all. As an experiment, I tried adjusting the sample rate. From its nominal of 8000, I could shift it from 7980 to 8020 and it made no difference to the decoding. Outside those limits it was no good. The mode coped with the QSB (S4 to S8), but doesn't like static crashes! 73 Robert - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Great ! I am down to about 10w now. Are you still copying me Robert ? la5vna S On 25.08.2010 22:47, Robert Bennett wrote: Hi Steinar I copy you 100%. in IO81. No 'fine tuning' necessary. Can't reply. Not set up to Tx on 80 73 Robert G3WKU - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Had you at S-9 and clean decode on every transmission. Not real sure how finicky the tuning is on this mode. I used the fine-tuning control to move the ellipse so that it was centered in the display, but it copied just fine even when it was off a bit. Could be a sound card issue I suppose, but at 8000 Hz my card is off by only .062% out and .017 in - that would make it somewhere around 8001 - hardly enough to adjust for. 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:17 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Dave I was seeing some one but unable to decode them I was set on 63 and sample rate at 8000 I will keep trying Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net wrote: From: Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 4:05 PM Copy you 599 Russell, but guess you aren't hearing me 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:44 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 [1 Attachment]
Hi Russell: I think your second quote is a little off.. should read... take it away... see attached picture Thomas Jefferson Garrett / AA0OI From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:17:23 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Dave I was seeing some one but unable to decode them I was set on 63 and sample rate at 8000 I will keep trying Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net wrote: From: Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 4:05 PM Copy you 599 Russell, but guess you aren't hearing me 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:44 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
Re: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63
Calling in 14079 cmsk63 Claudio-LU2VC 2010/8/25 Juergen dl...@darc.de No luck again today. Could be that it is an issue of the poor propagation caused by the present sun wind and it's impact on the magnetic field of the earth. I will try again in CMSK next week when the sun wind has calmed down as the propagation forecast is telling us. Thanks for the report from W9 even though it was too weak for decoding. I will be qrv in JT65 again and / or Olivia 16/500 (14076 resp. 14074.9 + 1500 Hz USB in Olivia) later the night. 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@... wrote: Had you at S-9 and clean decode on every transmission. Not real sure how finicky the tuning is on this mode. I used the fine-tuning control to move the ellipse so that it was centered in the display, but it copied just fine even when it was off a bit. Could be a sound card issue I suppose, but at 8000 Hz my card is off by only .062% out and .017 in - that would make it somewhere around 8001 - hardly enough to adjust for. 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:17 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Dave I was seeing some one but unable to decode them I was set on 63 and sample rate at 8000 I will keep trying Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@... wrote: From: Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@... Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 4:05 PM  Copy you 599 Russell, but guess you aren't hearing me 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:44 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@... wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@... Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
RE: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63
Listening for you Claudio 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Claudio Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:17 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63 Calling in 14079 cmsk63 Claudio-LU2VC 2010/8/25 Juergen dl...@darc.de No luck again today. Could be that it is an issue of the poor propagation caused by the present sun wind and it's impact on the magnetic field of the earth. I will try again in CMSK next week when the sun wind has calmed down as the propagation forecast is telling us. Thanks for the report from W9 even though it was too weak for decoding. I will be qrv in JT65 again and / or Olivia 16/500 (14076 resp. 14074.9 + 1500 Hz USB in Olivia) later the night. 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@... wrote: Had you at S-9 and clean decode on every transmission. Not real sure how finicky the tuning is on this mode. I used the fine-tuning control to move the ellipse so that it was centered in the display, but it copied just fine even when it was off a bit. Could be a sound card issue I suppose, but at 8000 Hz my card is off by only .062% out and .017 in - that would make it somewhere around 8001 - hardly enough to adjust for. 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:17 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Dave I was seeing some one but unable to decode them I was set on 63 and sample rate at 8000 I will keep trying Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@... wrote: From: Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@... Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 4:05 PM  Copy you 599 Russell, but guess you aren't hearing me 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:44 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@... wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@... Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Hi Russell. Is CMSK for weak signal or EME-type application? Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN Em79NV - Original Message - From: Russell Blair To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
Re: [digitalradio] HOW TO- Packet Keyboard-to-Keyboard operation?
Just do a C[ONNECT] to the far end node (ex. C KC6POB-1). Once connected, type back and forth as a normal conversation. Disconnect to terminate the session. It's that easy! 73,kevinkc6pob --- On Wed, 8/25/10, mikefapex mikefa...@gmail.com wrote: From: mikefapex mikefa...@gmail.com Subject: [digitalradio] HOW TO- Packet Keyboard-to-Keyboard operation? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 2:47 PM Yes, I'm a packet newb. I just got my VHF packet system running (817/Signalink USB/Laptop/AGW/PacTerm) and can connect to a couple of local BBS. But I would like to understand how to actually do a keyboard to keyboard QSO using packet. I assume this does NOT go through a BBS. I've ready about 'keyboard to' but cannot find actual instructions about how to actually go about it. I have a willing friend ham on the other end that will work with me. Eventually I'd like to incorporate PacLink and Thunderbird and make that same keyboard-to-keyboard QSO using the Thunderbird Email client interface. Thanks for any pointers, URLs, docs. Mike
Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63
Howard, on the intro it sayes Narrow-band weak signal mode for LF/MF you can do a google for CMSK63 and you can find ZL2AFP CMSK63 program and intro. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, W6IDS w6...@verizon.net wrote: From: W6IDS w6...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 8:04 PM Hi Russell. Is CMSK for weak signal or EME-type application? Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN Em79NV - Original Message - From: Russell Blair To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
RE: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63
Sorry, but not seeing any trace of you on the waterfall 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of my_call_is_ac4m Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:05 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63 I am on 80m right now on 3587 zero beat freq calling , I hope the Europeans will listen. I will be here till 0200z That is 3586 USB VFO +1000hz There was a RTTY net around 3588 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, my_call_is_ac4m kf4...@... wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
RE: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63
OK Well AC4M is in QSO CMSK31 with someone on 3585.9 USB on my Kenwood now 02.23 GMT Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net wrote: From: Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 8:34 PM Sorry, but not seeing any trace of you on the waterfall 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of my_call_is_ac4m Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:05 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63 I am on 80m right now on 3587 zero beat freq calling , I hope the Europeans will listen. I will be here till 0200z That is 3586 USB VFO +1000hz There was a RTTY net around 3588 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, my_call_is_ac4m kf4...@... wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
Re: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63
Thanks for be on tonight I was able to get the program to decode you but not 100% I had to play with the fine tune and adjust the sample befor it would decode ur signal ..UR 599 hr in Texas I was using the non-Beta build 1 version 10.8.10, tonight and the I downloaded the Beta buld 1 version 22.8.10 to try it later. Thanks Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, my_call_is_ac4m kf4...@hotmail.com wrote: From: my_call_is_ac4m kf4...@hotmail.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:42 PM Well it seems the software at least in the beta version has a few bugs. like the buffer is not being dumped like it should and then after hitting f10 you might decide to erase what you want to send it seems afterwards it will not send anything or at least it is not showing you it is being sent , I also notice you can not add any words while transmitting like you forgot to put in a word type of thing when typing it seems to just skip right over it. the S/N seems to be very wrong on measurement -55 DB hmmm I don't think so , Hopefully the bugs will be addressed and fixed. The copy seemed to be pretty good with strong to marginal signals with a S6 avg QRN noise with higher peaks like +10db over S9 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@... wrote: Sorry, but not seeing any trace of you on the waterfall 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of my_call_is_ac4m Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:05 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK63 I am on 80m right now on 3587 zero beat freq calling , I hope the Europeans will listen. I will be here till 0200z That is 3586 USB VFO +1000hz There was a RTTY net around 3588 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, my_call_is_ac4m kf4hou@ wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
Re: [digitalradio] HOW TO- Packet Keyboard-to-Keyboard operation?
Mike, I sent you a primer direct, I hope you find it useful 73, Chuck AC5PW From: mikefapex mikefa...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:47:07 PM Subject: [digitalradio] HOW TO- Packet Keyboard-to-Keyboard operation? Yes, I'm a packet newb. I just got my VHF packet system running (817/Signalink USB/Laptop/AGW/PacTerm) and can connect to a couple of local BBS. But I would like to understand how to actually do a keyboard to keyboard QSO using packet. I assume this does NOT go through a BBS. I've ready about 'keyboard to' but cannot find actual instructions about how to actually go about it. I have a willing friend ham on the other end that will work with me. Eventually I'd like to incorporate PacLink and Thunderbird and make that same keyboard-to-keyboard QSO using the Thunderbird Email client interface. Thanks for any pointers, URLs, docs. Mike
Re: [digitalradio] Anyone For 6 Meter ROS ??
The only problem is that Mr Henderson is mistaken in one regard. Per Part 97, spread spectrum is not authorized on 6m or 2m. The rules specifically state (section 97.305(b)) no SS modulation emission may be transmitted on any frequency where SS is not specifically authorized.. A review of the table associated with this section indicates SS is only authorized on 1.25m and above. Additionally, section 97.311 regulates SS emission specifically, including such things as maximum power (100w) and the use of automatic transmitter control if more than 1w is used to ensure that only the minimum amount of power is actually used. So, keep that in mind if you want to use it on UHF. For anyone who actually wants to READ the rules instead of relying on the opinions of others, the 2009 version can be found here (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2009-title47-vol5/pdf/CFR-2009-title47-vol5-part97.pdf). The rules listed on the ARRL site are from 2007 and are thus out-of-date. The sections cited above are on page 26 and 27 of the PDF file (labeled page 611 and 612 of the regs). I would recommend that all amateurs keep a copy of this file on their computer. It is only 36 pages long and definitely worth reviewing from time to time. Dave K3DCW On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:16 AM, n4zq wrote: Here is a response I got from Dan Henderson, N1ND, ARRL Regulatory Information Manager about the legality of ROS here in the states. My question was very simple. Is ROS a legal mode under FCC rules and if not, what would it take to make it so. Here is what Dan had to say. From: dhender...@arrl.org To: n...@hotmail.com Keith ROS is a spread spectrum technique. FCC rules allow Spread Spectrum above 50 MHz. It is not currently legal on the HF bands in the US. There has been quite a controversy about ROS since it was introduced. The original documentation from the developer clearly stated it was SS which was confirmed by the FCC. When the developer was notified SS was not legal in the US below 30 MHz, he changed his documentation then posted a forged email claiming it was from the FCC and that they had changed their opinion. Long story short, it uses a frequency hopping SS technique, regardless of what the author later claimed when the controversy erupted. This was verified by FCC engineers in their labs. Yes, it is a narrow bandwidth SS technique but it is still SS. The FCC would have to change Part 97 in order for it to be allowed on the HF bands in the US. They would either have to amend the rules to allow SS on all amateur bands (something that would probably be strongly opposed because many SS techniques are far wider than this mode and would create major problems on the relatively small HF band allocations) or they would have to specifically approve it for use. That is something that they have not been inclined to do because they do not wish to be constantly adding individual modes as they are developed. They provide a broad framework in the rules for what is allowed or prohibited and the mode either meets those criteria or it doesn't. 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND ARRL Regulatory Information Manager So it is what it is and I wouldn't look forward to being able to use it on HF any time soon here in the good old USA. But it might be a great weak signal mode on 6 meters in this very late E season. Anyone up to beaconing on 50.295 or 144.160 MHz, the frequencies suggested within the program? I'll be on 6 myself... Keith N4ZQ Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net
Re: [digitalradio] Anyone For 6 Meter ROS ??
Keith, While ROS is not legal on HF it still is not legal on 6 or 2 meters here in the states, it is legal on 1.25cm and above. Please see Part 97.305 it clearly states where spread spectrum is authorized. This issue has been hashed out on numerous threads and I wouldn't want to put my license on the line for this software. 73, Chuck AC5PW From: n4zq n...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 8:16:19 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Anyone For 6 Meter ROS ?? Here is a response I got from Dan Henderson, N1ND, ARRL Regulatory Information Manager about the legality of ROS here in the states. My question was very simple. Is ROS a legal mode under FCC rules and if not, what would it take to make it so. Here is what Dan had to say. From: dhender...@arrl.org To: n...@hotmail.com Keith ROS is a spread spectrum technique. FCC rules allow Spread Spectrum above 50 MHz. It is not currently legal on the HF bands in the US. There has been quite a controversy about ROS since it was introduced. The original documentation from the developer clearly stated it was SS which was confirmed by the FCC. When the developer was notified SS was not legal in the US below 30 MHz, he changed his documentation then posted a forged email claiming it was from the FCC and that they had changed their opinion. Long story short, it uses a frequency hopping SS technique, regardless of what the author later claimed when the controversy erupted. This was verified by FCC engineers in their labs. Yes, it is a narrow bandwidth SS technique but it is still SS. The FCC would have to change Part 97 in order for it to be allowed on the HF bands in the US. They would either have to amend the rules to allow SS on all amateur bands (something that would probably be strongly opposed because many SS techniques are far wider than this mode and would create major problems on the relatively small HF band allocations) or they would have to specifically approve it for use. That is something that they have not been inclined to do because they do not wish to be constantly adding individual modes as they are developed. They provide a broad framework in the rules for what is allowed or prohibited and the mode either meets those criteria or it doesn't. 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND ARRL Regulatory Information Manager So it is what it is and I wouldn't look forward to being able to use it on HF any time soon here in the good old USA. But it might be a great weak signal mode on 6 meters in this very late E season. Anyone up to beaconing on 50.295 or 144.160 MHz, the frequencies suggested within the program? I'll be on 6 myself... Keith N4ZQ
Re: [digitalradio] Anyone For 6 Meter ROS ??
Just what we need is spark-gap radios on 6 and 2 meters. We just got through fighting this a few years back. Since 223 is little used and it's legal whats the problem with going up there ? Chuck is right why is it that SS users feel they need to go on widely used bands ? Even if legal the chance of causing problems when 6 is open out weights any advantages or technology advances you might be looking to gain. i have been on 223 for 35 years it's a good but little used band give it a try. --- On Tue, 8/24/10, charles standlee ac5p...@yahoo.com wrote: From: charles standlee ac5p...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Anyone For 6 Meter ROS ?? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 10:50 AM Keith, While ROS is not legal on HF it still is not legal on 6 or 2 meters here in the states, it is legal on 1.25cm and above. Please see Part 97.305 it clearly states where spread spectrum is authorized. This issue has been hashed out on numerous threads and I wouldn't want to put my license on the line for this software. 73, Chuck AC5PW From: n4zq n...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 8:16:19 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Anyone For 6 Meter ROS ?? Here is a response I got from Dan Henderson, N1ND, ARRL Regulatory Information Manager about the legality of ROS here in the states. My question was very simple. Is ROS a legal mode under FCC rules and if not, what would it take to make it so. Here is what Dan had to say. From: dhender...@arrl.org To: n...@hotmail.com Keith ROS is a spread spectrum technique. FCC rules allow Spread Spectrum above 50 MHz. It is not currently legal on the HF bands in the US. There has been quite a controversy about ROS since it was introduced. The original documentation from the developer clearly stated it was SS which was confirmed by the FCC. When the developer was notified SS was not legal in the US below 30 MHz, he changed his documentation then posted a forged email claiming it was from the FCC and that they had changed their opinion. Long story short, it uses a frequency hopping SS technique, regardless of what the author later claimed when the controversy erupted. This was verified by FCC engineers in their labs. Yes, it is a narrow bandwidth SS technique but it is still SS. The FCC would have to change Part 97 in order for it to be allowed on the HF bands in the US. They would either have to amend the rules to allow SS on all amateur bands (something that would probably be strongly opposed because many SS techniques are far wider than this mode and would create major problems on the relatively small HF band allocations) or they would have to specifically approve it for use. That is something that they have not been inclined to do because they do not wish to be constantly adding individual modes as they are developed. They provide a broad framework in the rules for what is allowed or prohibited and the mode either meets those criteria or it doesn't. 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND ARRL Regulatory Information Manager So it is what it is and I wouldn't look forward to being able to use it on HF any time soon here in the good old USA. But it might be a great weak signal mode on 6 meters in this very late E season. Anyone up to beaconing on 50.295 or 144.160 MHz, the frequencies suggested within the program? I'll be on 6 myself... Keith N4ZQ
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Half Square Antenna
Tom, with voltage feed, you only need an electrostatic ground. I used about 10' x 10' of chicken wire for a ground sheet under mine in Hawaii. 73, Skip KH6TY Thomas wrote: What Andy and Skip said, plus a top corner feed causes a pattern distortion in the broadside that narrows the beam width a bit. A bottom element feed through a parallel network has no pattern distortion but requires ground radials. However you can put down a very minimal ground radial system compared to a 1/4 wave vertical. I used only one 1/4 wave on mine and it worked fine. 73, Thomas NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA http://www.nz4o.org --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, kf4hou kf4...@... wrote: Hey Tom Which is the better way of feeding the Half Square what is the plus and minus of both? Voltage vs. Current Fed I used a half square on 17 meters in Colorado in 1995 at the bottom of the sunspot cycle. I voltage fed it with a parallel LC network and one 1/4 wave radial. The flat top phasing line was only 13 feet off of the ground with the antenna broadside Europe and the Pacific. The results: 100 countries in 30 days with 100 watts. A serious DX antenna. I also put up a half square on 160 in Colorado, with the same voltage feed. I linear loaded each 1/4 wave leg into two each 1/8 wave 64 foot sections and it worked fantastic. I had a big signal with 100 watts. 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA nz4o@ NZ4O Amateur SWL Autobiography: http://www.nz4o.org
RE: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK Freq's
I alternated calls to you and calls to CQ and never heard another signal. Not sure how propagation is, though. 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Juergen Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:30 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK Freq's Called there in CMSK31 and 63 from 22.00 - 22.30 UTC. No reply. Will be there again tomorrow. 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, k8yzk k8...@... wrote: I know CMSK is mainly for 160/80 metes (which I currently can't do), but what freq's are being used currently on the other bands/ thanks and 73 Kurt
Re: [digitalradio] Re: CMSK Freq's
Hi: i will be tomorrow about 1800 z in 14079 and 21079 Claudio-lu2vc 2010/8/24 Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net I alternated calls to you and calls to CQ and never heard another signal. Not sure how propagation is, though. 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- *From:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Juergen *Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:30 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [digitalradio] Re: CMSK Freq's Called there in CMSK31 and 63 from 22.00 - 22.30 UTC. No reply. Will be there again tomorrow. 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, k8yzk k8...@... wrote: I know CMSK is mainly for 160/80 metes (which I currently can't do), but what freq's are being used currently on the other bands/ thanks and 73 Kurt
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New guy
Steve, There have been some terrific responses with some great advice. I'll focus only on the interface between the radio and the PC's soundcard. Even for casual usage, I'd recommend that you not use the built-in soundcard that came with your computer, and that you probably use for PC things like playing CDs or DVD sound, or even Echolink, VOIP or other PC mike/speakers usage. So either get an interface with an external soundcard built into it (the Signalink USB is an excellent choice), or somehow get a 2nd soundcard for your PC that you will use only for digital mode applications. Just a few years ago, I'd have recommended for your tower or desktop PC that you simply add a cheap sound card. But many people now are using laptops that don't support adding cards to them. So if you don't go with a combined interface/soundcard device like the Signalink, I'd recommend you get an external soundcard connected to the PC with a USB cable. There are good ones from the Creative Soundblaster line, but I'm sure there are many other good ones. There are even some tiny USB sound dongles, but they really vary in quality. Still, if you get one that works, they are small and easy to connect. The reason you want a second soundcard is so that you can keep all your cables connected up permanently and can switch to digital modes without any hassel. You won't have to unplug the PC's mike and speakers and connect up the cables to your interface. All your PC sound level settings will stay the same and won't need to be adjusted when you fire up the digital mode. The Signalink USB interface has a feature that some really like -- it has a built-in VOX circuit that will key PTT on your radio when it hears the PC generate output tone data. This means you don't need an extra cable from the PC to the interface to carry PTT info. Hooking up a Signalink USB the first time is really easy. I personally prefer having the PC key the transmitter explicitly. This is personal preference only, and many prefer the VOX approach. Anyway, I have an external USB sound device connected to a Buxcomm Rascal interface. So I need a cable from the interface to the PC (the current Rascal will suport either a serial or a USB cable) for PTT. I don't mind this extra cable, and I like explicit control of PTT. But that's just me. Good luck! Jim - Original Message - From: KB3FXI To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 2:03 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New guy Jon, Excellent explanation! You should be a teacher (if you aren't already). And, Stephen... welcome to the hobby and digital modes. Here's my personal preference with some elaboration: Interface: USB Signalink USB Signalink has an on board sound card so you don't have to tie up your computer soundcard. It also only has 2 cables... one to the radio and a USB to the computer. Power is supplied by the USB cable. I've found the devices with rats nests of audio and power cables hanging off them give a much greater chance for picking up RF and locking up your computer. Software: NBEMS / FLDIGI (www.w1hkj.com) FLDIGI multimode software is built for all major platforms. So, if you go from Windows to MAC, you just download the MAC version and away you go. This is a preference thing, but I like the single window display of FLDIGI. However, if you're going to get into contesting, I think the logging and automatic rig control may be a bit more advanced and better refined on HRD. Rig control is where your radio and software share info such as frequency, filter settings, volume, etc. You can change frequencies and settings on the rig from the software. I've not had much luck with NBEMS rig control but I don't care enough about the feature to bother to trouble shoot it. With regard to the software the good thing is both HRD and NBEMS/FLDIGI are free, so you can check them out and see what you think before going down one path or another. I'd take up some of the fellows offers to help you down your way. And if you can meet up and have someone give you a demo, that's the way to go. The first time you open some of these programs, it can look much more complicated than it actually is. Good luck and let us know when you're ready to make some digital contacts. I've chatted with quite a few hams in LA on both digital and phone... maybe we'll get lucky and meet up on a good path. -Dave, KB3FXI --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, JonP jpere...@... wrote: Some of your questions are sort of which taste better -- apples or oranges? and you may get all sorts of different answers depending on personal preference. I'll give you some of what I believe are the differentiating factors. I'll also tell you my personal decisions but they are mine and others will not agree because it's a personal thing. HRD vs. Others: There are a couple of programs like HRD,
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Half Square Antenna
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:29 AM, kf4hou kf4...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey Tom Which is the better way of feeding the Half Square what is the plus and minus of both? Voltage vs. Current Fed The antenna may be fed at the bottom or at a corner. When fed at a corner, the feed point is a lowimpedance, current-feed. When fed at the bottom of one of the wires against a small ground counterpoise, the feed point is a high-impedance, voltage-feed. http://rudys.typepad.com/ant/files/antenna_halfsquare_array.pdf Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Half Square Antenna
For what it's worth, I've done it both ways. With a voltage feed it is easy for the coax to leave the antenna on the ground and just use a screen for a ground. With current feed at the corners, the coax is up in the air and needs to leave at right angles to the vertical wire, but no tuned circuit is needed, and no RF ground. 73, Skip KH6TY kf4hou wrote: Hey Tom Which is the better way of feeding the Half Square what is the plus and minus of both? Voltage vs. Current Fed
Re: [digitalradio] Re:Streetlight RFI found with AM portable
A trick that you might try is that when you find an offending pole, give it a good whack with a sledgehammer to see if the noise changes. We tracked down a couple of poles that were throwing some serious RFI out, and that's how the power company guy verified where the problem was. Seems that the pole was put in in the 40's, and the rest of the hardware was about the same age. On 8/21/2010 1:09 PM, Tony wrote: Paul, That's a nice rig to have. I understand it's capable of AM mode as well - add a small hand held 2 meter Yagi and you'll have one FB direction finding RFI detector. Tony -K2MO I live near the Atlantic Ocean in Slower Lower Delaware. Our problem here is that during dry weather, we get salt spray on the power lines and transformers, leading to all sorts of noise. A good rain helps. I have a small Yaesu VR-500 wide band receiver. It works very well for tracking down RFI/EMI around the house as well. Good way to find offending wall warts, and the like /paul W3FIs
Re: [digitalradio] Re:Streetlight RFI found with AM portable
On 8/22/2010 2:04 AM, John Gleichweit wrote: A trick that you might try is that when you find an offending pole, give it a good whack with a sledgehammer to see if the noise changes. We tracked down a couple of poles that were throwing some serious RFI out, and that's how the power company guy verified where the problem was. Seems that the pole was put in in the 40's, and the rest of the hardware was about the same age. I've heard about this John - makes sense. Tony On 8/21/2010 1:09 PM, Tony wrote: Paul, That's a nice rig to have. I understand it's capable of AM mode as well - add a small hand held 2 meter Yagi and you'll have one FB direction finding RFI detector. Tony -K2MO I live near the Atlantic Ocean in Slower Lower Delaware. Our problem here is that during dry weather, we get salt spray on the power lines and transformers, leading to all sorts of noise. A good rain helps. I have a small Yaesu VR-500 wide band receiver. It works very well for tracking down RFI/EMI around the house as well. Good way to find offending wall warts, and the like /paul W3FIs
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Good USB sound card ?
I use a CHEAP usb sound card adaptor ( 8 EUROS) on one of my old Dell laptops which has no soundcard sucessfully for pskmail/puppy linux. Rein PA0R I would be interested to know if Linux even supports these cheap USB sound devices? I did run Linux in the shack for a while and unfortunately sold one of the original RigExpert devices because it wasn't usable under Linux and at the time I though I wouldn't revert back to Windows. But in the end I did as apart from Fldigi most of the ham software on Linux is second rate compared to that available for Windows and I got fed up at not being able to try some newly announced thing that came only in a Windows version. Julian, G4ILO --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rik van Riel wrote: On 08/14/2010 02:15 PM, g4ilo wrote: Well, that isn't my experience. Regardless of the chip set used, it's the entire product including the drivers that will determine the performance. My suspicion is that these devices run at a fixed sampling rate, and that resampling to the rate requested by the software is carried out by the drivers. Not an issue for me since I run Linux and fldigi. The digital mode program fldigi simply gets the audio off the device at one of the native sampling rates of the device and does good quality sample rate conversion internally. I believe you if you have seen the Windows drivers for the device do a terrible job of sample rate conversion. However, I'm not going to experience that issue myself and am quite happy with the device in my setup :) Personally I don't think it is worth economizing in this area. That I can agree with. -- All rights reversed. http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] New CMSK released
What are the main frequencies ? On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:35 AM, n0hnj dco...@zitomedia.net wrote: CMSK version 21.08.10 has been released ( http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/CMSK/cmsk.htm) Sound cards separate from Windows default can now be selected. Anyone wanting to try this mode out please drop me an email. I'll be checking periodically today. 73 Dave KB3MOW
RE: [digitalradio] New CMSK released
Darned if I know of a set frequency for it, Andy, but given its' bandwidth, I'd guess we'd be safe just about anywhere in the digital bandplan as long as we don't park on top of another QSO! How about 7.078? 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Andy obrien Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:37 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New CMSK released What are the main frequencies ? On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:35 AM, n0hnj dco...@zitomedia.net wrote: CMSK version 21.08.10 has been released (http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/CMSK/cmsk.htm) Sound cards separate from Windows default can now be selected. Anyone wanting to try this mode out please drop me an email. I'll be checking periodically today. 73 Dave KB3MOW
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Good USB sound card ?
g4ilo wrote: I would be interested to know if Linux even supports these cheap USB sound devices? I did run Linux in the shack for a while and unfortunately sold one of the original RigExpert devices because it wasn't usable under Linux and at the time I though I wouldn't revert back to Windows. But in the end I did as apart from Fldigi most of the ham software on Linux is second rate compared to that available for Windows and I got fed up at not being able to try some newly announced thing that came only in a Windows version. Julian, G4ILO that above is EXACTLY my complaint and major, pet peeve.. I would love to run my digital off my MacPro but none of the software for Winmor, MixW, Telnet has been ported to OS-X that I am aware of. result is, I am either sneaker netting files from the Mac to my doze laptop or sending it to my //MARS/ telnet account then copying the data into an EEI or whatever. sucks. BUT, I feel the same way about what I consider the best email program (Agent by Forte) and my favorite photo program (ACDSee). So, as long as those are in Doze, I have resigned myself to running second rate software on my Mac IF I can even find something comparable. thanks for the thread. If anyone finds a comparable Mac OS-X set of digital programs to replace the MixW, Telnet and Winmor, please post it to this list. to the point of a sound card, I like the SL/USB so much, I bought one for each of my transceivers. so, I can unplug one from the T-41 and plug in another, depending on my needs. Since I got my Pro3, I find it hard to go back to my 480HX except for QSY checking for propagation. 73 chas -- ch...@texas.net k5dam Houston, TX http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member14013.png --
Re: [digitalradio] Rigblster and Digipan ?
Andy, Of course, DigiPan needs to be run with a display of 256 colors or higher (unless you change the default waterfall colors)! The default palette requires at least 256 colors to work, and so do Internet graphics. I have no idea why anyone in the last 10 years would try to run with less than 256 colors, when probably 99% of video cards support at least 16-bit, 32-bit , or 24-bit color these days. In 10 years of personal support of DigiPan and having resolved over 4000 support questions (almost all of which are computer system problems, not DigiPan problems), I have NEVER received any report of DigiPan not working with the serial port, if the serial port was correctly established or selected. Sometimes the DigiPan configuration file becomes corrupted and the best way to fix most unusual problems with DigiPan is: 1. Quite DigiPan 2. Delete digipan.ini in \Windows 3. Restart DigiPan and re-enter the personal data and serial port. West Mountain's suggestion to remove and reinstall DigiPan is NOT going to fix a corrupted digipan.ini file. The re-installed DigiPan will often have the same problem it had before re-installation. I informed them of this years ago, but apparently they have short memories. :-( There is a history (which I will not go into), going back eight years or more, of West Mountain Radio being disparaging of DigiPan (for reasons I will not mention), but trust me, DigiPan is a VERY mature program and, to my intimate knowledge, has NEVER failed to work if properly configured on an adequate and correctly working Windows 98 or later system. Just don't believe what West Mountain tries to make people believe about what they claim to be the problems with DigiPan - over 100,000 DigiPan users cannot be wrong! Moe Wheatley's WinPSK is an excellent program and I even used his PSKCORE.DLL for my own QuickPSK program, which introduced PSK63, but DigiPan is every bit as reliable and easy to use. 73, Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: This claim from West Mountain seems dubious. DIGIPAN PROBLEMS If you are having trouble with DigiPAN stop using it and try WinPSK! We have had numerous reports of DigiPAN having a blank waterfall display. In QST there is a report of this which was cured by increasing the display colors to 256 colors or higher. We have experienced this but we were running high color and we fixed it by re-booting the computer. We have also had reports, and experienced it ourselves, of, DigiPAN not working with the serial port. We do not know what causes this but they are aware of the problem. We fixed this by completely removing and re-installing the program. Anyone confirm this is a real problem?
Re: [digitalradio] Air Canada 859 emergency - turning back to Glasgow
Is this bogus, can find no indication its real. ve3bdr From: Andy obrien Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:25 PM To: digitalradio Subject: [digitalradio] Air Canada 859 emergency - turning back to Glasgow -- Forwarded message -- From: David Lusthof davidlust...@goatse.be Date: Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [UDXF] Air Canada 859 emergency - turning back to Glasgow To: u...@yahoogroups.com On 22-08-10 20:53, Geir Stokkeland wrote: Air Canada 859, en route Heathrow to Toronto, is turning back and flying direct Glasgow. There is some kind of emergency on board, comms ongoing with Shanwick on 5616 kHz as I write. Instruction to direct Glasgow was given 1845 UTC. I don�t know any other details, perhaps our Scottish colleagues can check relevant VHF frequencies in the next few minutes? Geir, Norway Just switched to 8864 Khz (1917z) Re No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3087 - Release Date: 08/22/10 02:35:00
Re: [digitalradio] Rigblster and Digipan ?
That's what I figured. Thanks Skip On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 5:46 PM, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net wrote: Andy, Of course, DigiPan needs to be run with a display of 256 colors or higher (unless you change the default waterfall colors)! The default palette requires at least 256 colors to work, and so do Internet graphics. I have no idea why anyone in the last 10 years would try to run with less than 256 colors, when probably 99% of video cards support at least 16-bit, 32-bit , or 24-bit color these days.
Re: [digitalradio] Air Canada 859 emergency - turning back to Glasgow
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA859 Looks normal. ve3bdr From: Rudy Benner Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:49 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Air Canada 859 emergency - turning back to Glasgow Is this bogus, can find no indication its real. ve3bdr From: Andy obrien Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:25 PM To: digitalradio Subject: [digitalradio] Air Canada 859 emergency - turning back to Glasgow -- Forwarded message -- From: David Lusthof davidlust...@goatse.be Date: Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [UDXF] Air Canada 859 emergency - turning back to Glasgow To: u...@yahoogroups.com On 22-08-10 20:53, Geir Stokkeland wrote: Air Canada 859, en route Heathrow to Toronto, is turning back and flying direct Glasgow. There is some kind of emergency on board, comms ongoing with Shanwick on 5616 kHz as I write. Instruction to direct Glasgow was given 1845 UTC. I don�t know any other details, perhaps our Scottish colleagues can check relevant VHF frequencies in the next few minutes? Geir, Norway Just switched to 8864 Khz (1917z) Re No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3087 - Release Date: 08/22/10 02:35:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3087 - Release Date: 08/22/10 02:35:00
Re: [digitalradio] Unknown Digital signal????
There are some known European users in that range, but without a recording, it would difficult to say for certain what it is and where is it coming from. However, keep in mind that while this frequency range is assigned to amateur radio exclusively in Region 2, that is not the case in Europe and Asia, and so you have military, governmental and other users that are authorized to use the band. Dave K3DCW On Aug 21, 2010, at 11:35 AM, kc2axu wrote: Hi ,,, got a question for you guy's... On 3.860.00usb to 3.863.00usb there is a digital signal. Does anyone know what type or mode the signal is and possibly where it's coming from. Comes on about 2400 Zulu and is annoying as hell Hoping someone might know... Thanks.. kc2axu . Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net
Re: [digitalradio] Re:Streetlight RFI found with AM portable
Paul, That's a nice rig to have. I understand it's capable of AM mode as well - add a small hand held 2 meter Yagi and you'll have one FB direction finding RFI detector. Tony -K2MO I live near the Atlantic Ocean in Slower Lower Delaware. Our problem here is that during dry weather, we get salt spray on the power lines and transformers, leading to all sorts of noise. A good rain helps. I have a small Yaesu VR-500 wide band receiver. It works very well for tracking down RFI/EMI around the house as well. Good way to find offending wall warts, and the like /paul W3FIs __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5384 (20100821) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: [digitalradio] Re introducing the KJ6VW...........
Mel, we might start with an assumption that my vertical could be designed better . I just took it down and plan on making a better on Sunday. Andy K3UK On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:05 PM, raf3151019 gzero...@btinternet.com wrote: Hello Andy, It was interesting reading the description of the half square antenna you made, particularly the comments on the comparison between vertical and the half square. Being unable to hear European stations may partly explain why, when conditions do improve a little, I always keep seeing the same PSK stations from the US, and the ones which can see me on their screens are most often very weak to my QTH Considering the huge number of PSK users in the US I've often wondered if my R5 is deaf, or lots of US operators are using wet string ! Regards, Mel G0GQK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Good USB sound card ?
On 08/14/2010 02:15 PM, g4ilo wrote: Well, that isn't my experience. Regardless of the chip set used, it's the entire product including the drivers that will determine the performance. My suspicion is that these devices run at a fixed sampling rate, and that resampling to the rate requested by the software is carried out by the drivers. Not an issue for me since I run Linux and fldigi. The digital mode program fldigi simply gets the audio off the device at one of the native sampling rates of the device and does good quality sample rate conversion internally. I believe you if you have seen the Windows drivers for the device do a terrible job of sample rate conversion. However, I'm not going to experience that issue myself and am quite happy with the device in my setup :) Personally I don't think it is worth economizing in this area. That I can agree with. -- All rights reversed.
Re: [digitalradio] New guy
Welcome Steve. Getting started is not too complicated. HRD is a good choice. Your others would be Multipsk, FLdigi, Digipan or Winwarbler . All fairly easy to set up. If you PC has an internal sound card, that is all you would need. You can add a second sound card later if you wanted to do digital modes and listen to other sounds at the same time. In general you need a cable that will take the audio received from you radio to the line-in of your computer soundcard. Also a cable that takes generated tones from your PC to the input of you radio. Most people also like to have the ability to control the radio via the software, so there is also usually a connection via a serial or USB port that controls the radio and switches between transmit and receive. Many hams built all this themselves but many others buy commercial interfaces. These interfaces range from very basic (but effective) interfaces like the Donner cable that sells for around $40.00, the Signallink interfaces that is around $120, to the higher end interfaces with bells and whistles like the Microham or Rigblaster products that exceed $250.00. If you want to build your own, Skip Teller's interface recently outlined in QST magazine can be built easily and inexpensively. For software, I find the easiest are the products that get you very quick responses when stuck, and the ones that don't scold you when you don't read the manual (or have an Einstein brain) . Winwarbler, Digipan, HRD-DM780, Multipsk and FLdigi will all get you quick, patient, responses if you need help. Authors of each of these applications are active here Andy K3UK On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Stephen smyer...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello all. After being a SWL for several years, a friend willed (he is an SK now) to me his Icom 765. I am intrested in getting into the digital modes. Being new, I don't even know enough to ask the right questions. My wife is in the US Navy and we will retire to the country of Panama. I got my ticket last Feb. but we moved to Baton Rouge and I have nothing set up (except a long wire in the attic). I have had all the gear (IC-765, IC-AT500, IC-2kl and its powersupply) back to a guy who rebuilt and referbished to factory spect. I have found that if you have a ticket, in Panama, they will give you one (of equal rating) so you can operate in their country. Is HRD the program to use, or should I start out with somethig that is more simple? Do I get an outboard sound card? What cables do I need? Any advice will be appreciated. Steve KJ4SLK
Re: [digitalradio] New guy
Steve, Welcome to digital communications... Since you live in Louisiana here are a couple of sites that you may want to look at, first the Louisiana section website at www.laarrl.org on the right side of the page is a link for digital communications and has a 6 or 7 part tutorial on digital communications and other technical stuff written in laymens terms, the other is the website for the Baton Rouge area Ham club www.lsu.edu/brarc. There are a lot of folks in the state who can help you out with answers and quite a few in Baton Rouge. I will help you more off line, I live in the Alexandria area so it may be tough for a face to face, unless you come to our Hamfest in October. 73, Chuck AC5PW From: Stephen smyer...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 4:13:01 PM Subject: [digitalradio] New guy Hello all. After being a SWL for several years, a friend willed (he is an SK now) to me his Icom 765. I am intrested in getting into the digital modes. Being new, I don't even know enough to ask the right questions. My wife is in the US Navy and we will retire to the country of Panama. I got my ticket last Feb. but we moved to Baton Rouge and I have nothing set up (except a long wire in the attic). I have had all the gear (IC-765, IC-AT500, IC-2kl and its powersupply) back to a guy who rebuilt and referbished to factory spect. I have found that if you have a ticket, in Panama, they will give you one (of equal rating) so you can operate in their country. Is HRD the program to use, or should I start out with somethig that is more simple? Do I get an outboard sound card? What cables do I need? Any advice will be appreciated. Steve KJ4SLK
