Re: [digitalradio] Future of ALE and HF Link.
Who is she? 73, Frank On 2010-01-25, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net wrote: At 07:18 PM 1/24/2010, you wrote: Re the control is to prevent ALE bashing That control is a Gestapo, Marxist type. She will flat out tell you that she may not be always right, but never wrong No one and I do mean no one can use any other mode on or near the frequency they use without getting a email letting you know that that is their frequency. This issue is far from being over, done, kaput. John, W0JAB In the cold heartland -- http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - attributed to Benjamin Franklin (January 17, 1706 – April 17, 1790), one of the founding fathers of the United States of America, printer, scientist, inventor, civic activist, and diplomat Suggested frequencies for calling CQ with experimental digital modes = 3584,10147, 14074 USB on your dial plus 1000Hz on waterfall. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Future of ALE and HF Link.
Dave, The defensive approach drives off everyone but the true believers; only something incredibly valuable can survive this. Well put. philw de ka1gmn On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com wrote: Re “the control is to prevent ALE bashing Across a broad range of technical offerings, organizations that actively solicit criticism and respond constructively tend to flourish, whereas organizations focused on protecting their baby often fail to gain traction, despite expending a comparable amount of energy. The “open” approach motivates users to help – in reporting defects, suggesting enhancements, and spreading the word – and naturally leads to a enthusiastic user community. The defensive approach drives off everyone but the true believers; only something incredibly valuable can survive this. 73, Dave, AA6YQ *From:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Andy obrien *Sent:* Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:24 PM *To:* digitalradio; alera...@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [digitalradio] Future of ALE and HF Link. I have decided that I will not be a part of HF Link, in the formal sense. Many members of the Yahoo group HFlink have been helpful over the years and Steve especially has been of tremendous help to all. However, I have concluded that the rigid control and moderation of that group, have contributed to the failure of ALE to take hold as an effective method of amateur radio communication. Despite years of efforts, ALE remains perhaps the least used method of ham radio contact management, and is regularly used by less than 75 hams world-wide. I know of no other amateur radio method that is dependent solely on one group , and that one group has such prohibitive practices that it essentially dictates terms. The copyright policy of the HF Link group is directly contributing to a lack of openness that is rarely seen in the amateur radio world. PSK and digital modes have many organizations and email lists, CW has lots of groups, SSB-phone a zillion clubs, RACES/ARES accepts a wider choices of systems, weak signals modes like JT65A have varying groups, but ALE on hams bands remains centralized via HF link. Winmor has tight control on the software but is generally open to input and openly allows dissent. ALE should be allowed to flourish in an open market where hams take the idea and help it evolve and succeed. Steve and Charles Brain have made huge contributions but the warehousing of it via HF link have reduced it to a little understood concept . I will continue to use ALE both PC-ALE and Multipsk . but no longer associate with HF Link. I have raised this matter before , and have received constructive comments the suggest that the control is to prevent ALE bashing . I think that there is not a lot to bash about ALE...it is a very effective system, However the protectionism exhibited by HF Link has harmed ALE more than the occasional ALE bashing would ever do. So, the problems of busy detect and unattended operation notwithstanding, I will remain an advocate of ALE and hope others will help it get rid of its shackles. Heck , lets get rid of ALE as an emcomm concept , it isn't really (it could be , one day). ALE might be more sellable as a DXing method or net control software! Andy K3UK No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2636 - Release Date: 01/24/10 03:33:00
RE: [digitalradio] Future of ALE and HF Link.
At 07:18 PM 1/24/2010, you wrote: Re the control is to prevent ALE bashing That control is a Gestapo, Marxist type. She will flat out tell you that she may not be always right, but never wrong No one and I do mean no one can use any other mode on or near the frequency they use without getting a email letting you know that that is their frequency. This issue is far from being over, done, kaput. John, W0JAB In the cold heartland
RE: [digitalradio] Future of ALE and HF Link.
Re the control is to prevent ALE bashing Across a broad range of technical offerings, organizations that actively solicit criticism and respond constructively tend to flourish, whereas organizations focused on protecting their baby often fail to gain traction, despite expending a comparable amount of energy. The open approach motivates users to help - in reporting defects, suggesting enhancements, and spreading the word - and naturally leads to a enthusiastic user community. The defensive approach drives off everyone but the true believers; only something incredibly valuable can survive this. 73, Dave, AA6YQ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy obrien Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:24 PM To: digitalradio; alera...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Future of ALE and HF Link. I have decided that I will not be a part of HF Link, in the formal sense. Many members of the Yahoo group HFlink have been helpful over the years and Steve especially has been of tremendous help to all. However, I have concluded that the rigid control and moderation of that group, have contributed to the failure of ALE to take hold as an effective method of amateur radio communication. Despite years of efforts, ALE remains perhaps the least used method of ham radio contact management, and is regularly used by less than 75 hams world-wide. I know of no other amateur radio method that is dependent solely on one group , and that one group has such prohibitive practices that it essentially dictates terms. The copyright policy of the HF Link group is directly contributing to a lack of openness that is rarely seen in the amateur radio world. PSK and digital modes have many organizations and email lists, CW has lots of groups, SSB-phone a zillion clubs, RACES/ARES accepts a wider choices of systems, weak signals modes like JT65A have varying groups, but ALE on hams bands remains centralized via HF link. Winmor has tight control on the software but is generally open to input and openly allows dissent. ALE should be allowed to flourish in an open market where hams take the idea and help it evolve and succeed. Steve and Charles Brain have made huge contributions but the warehousing of it via HF link have reduced it to a little understood concept . I will continue to use ALE both PC-ALE and Multipsk . but no longer associate with HF Link. I have raised this matter before , and have received constructive comments the suggest that the control is to prevent ALE bashing . I think that there is not a lot to bash about ALE...it is a very effective system, However the protectionism exhibited by HF Link has harmed ALE more than the occasional ALE bashing would ever do. So, the problems of busy detect and unattended operation notwithstanding, I will remain an advocate of ALE and hope others will help it get rid of its shackles. Heck , lets get rid of ALE as an emcomm concept , it isn't really (it could be , one day). ALE might be more sellable as a DXing method or net control software! Andy K3UK No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2636 - Release Date: 01/24/10 03:33:00
