Re: [digitalradio] Overcrowded on 14109.5

2007-10-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steinar Aanesland wrote:
 I don't want to be a policeman , I think it is to many of them already, 
 but I have a wish. 14109.5 seems to be a bit overcrowded when
 everyone  are sounding and trying to make a AMD qso. What about QSYing
 to another frequency when a contact is establish on 14109.5? 14112.0  is
 a great frequency. It is perfect for playing with Patrick's wonderful
 ARQ FAE mode.
I will admit that I have looked at, but steered clear of ALE for a 
number of reasons, which are all personal and maybe based upon my 
incomplete understanding of what ALE is designed to do.

1st off, ALE seems like a sort of digital net system, where stations 
sign in and out and there is some system to see what frequency might or 
might not be better to contact each other on.  Again, please bear with 
my incomplete or partial knowledge, this is all based upon reading other 
emails on the subject...

2nd, it seems like the sort of mode that standing groups would find very 
useful.  I was a member of RAYNET (the UK Amateur Emergency Network) way 
back in the 1980s and 90s and they used early Packet radio systems (like 
Cambridge Packet) before AX.25 became the standard Amateur system.  The 
problem that I could see is that, if too many stations joined in then 
the channels become overloaded and the advantage of being able to 
validate contact with certain stations becomes lost.

The next issue is defining a 'contact'.  Many Amateur awards and 
certificates are based upon two way peer-to-peer contacts.  Nets are, of 
course, valid as long as the two stations are in direct contact.  
However, in my own logs I differenciate between direct QSOs and AX.25 
contacts, either direct or via digipeaters of some sort, as I cannot 
always remember what was direct and what was via an intermediary such as 
a digipeater, IGATE or some other 3rd party system, as it's not always 
obvious unless you are very careful to log where each contact went and 
came via at the time.

Now, ALE may, or may not suffer from these issue at the moment, but 
automatic systems which allow one station to be relayed from one 
frequency to another are not uncommon these days and I could see the 
advantages, to a network of stations, of having automatic gateways from 
one band to another.  These exist in APRS now.  So, ALE is one of those 
things that I've not become involved in whilst I try to build up more 
peer-to-peer digital contacts.

Dave (G0DJA)


Re: [digitalradio] Overcrowded on 14109.5

2007-10-07 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
And some still wonder  *why*  the MT63 guys packed up and moved...

Reminds me a lot of the psk'ers parking right in the center of all the 
pactor stations. Yes I know that no one owns a frequency so you
can save the hate reply's.

- just an option -  before a get in trouble again.






















Re: [digitalradio] Overcrowded on 14109.5

2007-10-07 Thread F.R. Ashley

- Original Message - 
From: John Becker, WØJAB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Overcrowded on 14109.5


 And some still wonder  *why*  the MT63 guys packed up and moved...

 Reminds me a lot of the psk'ers parking right in the center of all the
 pactor stations. Yes I know that no one owns a frequency so you
 can save the hate reply's.

 - just an option -  before a get in trouble again.

So just where is MT-63 these days?   14.109.50 was originally the MT-63 
calling frequency.  So ALE took over?

73 Buddy WB4M

 


Re: [digitalradio] Overcrowded on 14109.5

2007-10-07 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Please please my HAM friends, don't destroy this thread with a new who
owns a frequency fight.
It's a never ending story, and you all know that.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar