Re: [digitalradio] RS ID survey today on 20M
Andy, Isn't the current recommendation now not to use RSID for PSK31 or RTTY? Take those out, and not much RSID use at all! 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: Here are the results of two hours of monitoring the entire digital band on 20M 14065-14110 37 BPSK31 25 BPSK250 04 RTTY45 02 MFSK16 01 CONTESTIA-8-250 Some of the above may be the same station (especially the PSK250) . In just over two hours only 5 modes heard. Seems we still have some ways to go in getting RSID to be used regularly. My SDR/Multipsk combo was set to respond only to RSIDs, other modes may have been in use without RSID. 18:06:17 UTC BPSK250 3902 Hz 17:50:38 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:46:04 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:45:24 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:39:34 UTC MFSK16 0.0041 M 17:38:46 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:37:44 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:36:42 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:36:11 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:35:09 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:34:38 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:31:43 UTC MFSK16 0.0040 M 17:30:06 UTC BPSK31 2454 Hz 17:30:06 UTC BPSK31 0.0021 M 17:29:24 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:28:54 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:26:20 UTC RTTY-45 0.0162 M 17:25:09 UTC RTTY-45 0.0123 M 17:23:19 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:23:19 UTC RTTY-45 0.0102 M 17:22:42 UTC RTTY-45 0.0141 M 17:21:32 UTC BPSK31 2395 Hz 17:21:31 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:20:51 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:20:12 UTC BPSK31 2390 Hz 17:20:12 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 17:04:30 UTC CONTESTIA-8-250 0.0008 M 17:03:17 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 16:59:18 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 16:57:58 UTC BPSK31 2702 Hz 16:57:57 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 16:52:37 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 16:51:22 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 16:51:10 UTC BPSK31 2869 Hz 16:50:33 UTC BPSK31 2863 Hz 16:49:58 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 16:49:18 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 16:48:43 UTC BPSK31 2298 Hz 16:48:43 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 16:48:07 UTC BPSK31 2293 Hz 16:47:04 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 16:30:16 UTC BPSK31 0.0012 M 16:27:04 UTC BPSK31 2401 Hz 16:27:03 UTC BPSK31 0.0020 M 16:26:24 UTC BPSK31 2395 Hz 15:47:56 UTC BPSK250 0.0081 M 15:47:27 UTC BPSK250 0.0081 M 15:40:21 UTC BPSK250 0.0081 M 15:39:53 UTC BPSK250 0.0081 M 15:39:34 UTC BPSK250 0.0081 M 15:38:11 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:37:06 UTC BPSK250 0.0081 M 15:36:18 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:36:08 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:35:39 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:35:00 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:33:41 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:33:01 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:32:51 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:31:40 UTC BPSK250 0.0081 M 15:31:34 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:31:07 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:30:59 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:22:41 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:22:22 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:22:00 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:21:35 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M 15:21:28 UTC BPSK250 689 Hz 15:21:25 UTC BPSK250 0.0080 M
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID survey today on 20M
Exactly ! On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net wrote: Andy, Isn't the current recommendation now not to use RSID for PSK31 or RTTY? Take those out, and not much RSID use at all! 73 - Skip KH6TY
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID survey today on 20M
It is easy to imagine that the BPSK250 RSID is probably being used mostly for PSKMAIL stations, which is a good idea now. Notice how the times are clustered. 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: Exactly ! On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net mailto:kh...@comcast.net wrote: Andy, Isn't the current recommendation now not to use RSID for PSK31 or RTTY? Take those out, and not much RSID use at all! 73 - Skip KH6TY
Re: [digitalradio] RS-ID MSG-ID with SDR
sholtofish wrote: I was wondering if anyone has used the MSG ID function in MultiPSK with an SDR radio? I have a Perseus SDR and will update my copy of MultiPSK to have a go. Not having used MSG ID I may need a bit of help to set it up properly, if you have step by step instructions that would help. If it's reasonably straight forward to do I may have it configured later this evening. Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] RS-ID MSG-ID with SDR
Since the RS ID works well over this range with my SDR, I see no reason why the MSG ID would not work. Andy K3UK On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.ukwrote: sholtofish wrote: I was wondering if anyone has used the MSG ID function in MultiPSK with an SDR radio? I have a Perseus SDR and will update my copy of MultiPSK to have a go. Not having used MSG ID I may need a bit of help to set it up properly, if you have step by step instructions that would help. If it's reasonably straight forward to do I may have it configured later this evening. Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID
I have the same experience with THOR and Contestia - many first time QSOs with the aid of RSID. I am often thanked for using RSID when calling CQ. philw de ka1gmn On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Wes Cosand wes.cos...@gmail.com wrote: I am becoming persuaded that Patrick's Reed Solomon mode ID code is a real advance for digital operating. I think it is bringing new users to modes other than PSK31. For years I have enjoyed the robust nature of MFSK16 for extended QSOs where propagation may be changing. The last few days operating MFSK16 I have repeatedly had folk answer my CQ for whom I am their first MFSK16 QSO. I think a lot of it may be because of the use of this mode ID feature in several of the software packages. I wish Nick and Denis would put it in the MixW package (as well as including Nick's excellent Contestia in their regular download package). Wes, WZ7i www.wz7i.com
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID
But I am also surprised at how many do NOT use it. Today I set my rig to switch between 20 and 30 every 40 seconds. I had RS ID on but decoded no one in 4 hours. While there could have been people transmitting just when I changed frequency for 40 seconds, I would have expected someone to be picked up. I am now cheating by using two apps at the same time. Multipsk in Panoramic mode (so I can at least capture more BPSK reception reports) AND Fldigi in standard mode with RS ID on. BOTH reporting to PSKreporter Andy K3UK On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Phil Williams ka1...@gmail.com wrote: I have the same experience with THOR and Contestia - many first time QSOs with the aid of RSID. I am often thanked for using RSID when calling CQ. philw de ka1gmn On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Wes Cosand wes.cos...@gmail.com wrote: I am becoming persuaded that Patrick's Reed Solomon mode ID code is a real advance for digital operating. I think it is bringing new users to modes other than PSK31. For years I have enjoyed the robust nature of MFSK16 for extended QSOs where propagation may be changing. The last few days operating MFSK16 I have repeatedly had folk answer my CQ for whom I am their first MFSK16 QSO. I think a lot of it may be because of the use of this mode ID feature in several of the software packages. I wish Nick and Denis would put it in the MixW package (as well as including Nick's excellent Contestia in their regular download package). Wes, WZ7i www.wz7i.com
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID
OK forgive me for not being up to date on this but in 100 words or less - what is RS ID?
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID
Tnx - I think I still have that one laying around here someplace. At 06:37 PM 12/28/2009, you wrote: and if you need more than 100 words, see my description in November QST. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID use ?
No, I haven't. Haven't heard any RSID's for the past 2 days actually. 73 Buddy WB4M - Original Message - From: obrienaj aobri...@stny.rr.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [digitalradio] RS ID use ? Anyone notice an increase in the use of RS ID since the QST article last week? Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID use ?
My article must have scared them away. - Original Message - From: F.R. Ashley To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RS ID use ? No, I haven't. Haven't heard any RSID's for the past 2 days actually. 73 Buddy WB4M - Original Message - From: obrienaj aobri...@stny.rr.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [digitalradio] RS ID use ? Anyone notice an increase in the use of RS ID since the QST article last week? Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID use ?
Andy, i enjoyed the article, but i am a long term mixW registered user, s, trying to figure out if i want to go to Ham Radio Deluxe. thanks Pat, K3PB --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Andrew O'Brien aobri...@stny.rr.com wrote: From: Andrew O'Brien aobri...@stny.rr.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RS ID use ? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 12:07 AM My article must have scared them away. - Original Message - From: F.R. Ashley To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RS ID use ? No, I haven't. Haven't heard any RSID's for the past 2 days actually. 73 Buddy WB4M - Original Message - From: obrienaj aobri...@stny. rr.com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [digitalradio] RS ID use ? Anyone notice an increase in the use of RS ID since the QST article last week? Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID with FLDIGI stops decode
From the beginners' guide at w1hkj.com (Bold and underline added by me) 3.5.2. Other controls RSID This button turns on the receive RSID (automatic mode detection and tuning) feature. When in use, the button turns yellow and no text reception is possible until a signal is identified, or the feature is turned off again. If you plan to use the RSID feature on receive, you must leave the Start New Modem at Sweet Spot item in the menu Configure-Defaults-Misc tab unchecked. Dave hfradio...@gmail.com Real radio bounces off the sky On 4 Oct, at 3:03 PM, Andrew O'Brien wrote: While checking in to a regional NBEMS net today using both Multipsk and FLDIGI, I noticed FLDIGI in 8/500 Olivia would NOT decode at all if the RS ID box in the upper right-hand corner of FLDIGI was checked. It decoded fine when unchecked. -- Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID with FLDIGI stops decode
Thanks, that makes sense now? Andy On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Dave hfradio...@gmail.com wrote: From the beginners' guide at w1hkj.com (Bold and underline added by me) 3.5.2. Other controlsRSID This button turns on the receive RSID (automatic mode detection and tuning) feature. *When in use, the button turns yellow and no text reception is possible until a signal is identified, or the feature is turned off again*. If you plan to use the RSID feature on receive, you must leave the *Start New Modem at Sweet Spot* item in the menu Configure-Defaults-Misc tab unchecked. Dave hfradio...@gmail.com Real radio bounces off the sky On 4 Oct, at 3:03 PM, Andrew O'Brien wrote: While checking in to a regional NBEMS net today using both Multipsk and FLDIGI, I noticed FLDIGI in 8/500 Olivia would NOT decode at all if the RS ID box in the upper right-hand corner of FLDIGI was checked. It decoded fine when unchecked. -- Andy K3UK -- Andy
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID with FLDIGI stops decode
It IS UNCHECKED but symptom persist.., no decode when RS ID box is checked. Should I leave BOTH unchecked ? I have had it working well in the past. On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Andrew O'Brien andrewob...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks, that makes sense now? Andy On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Dave hfradio...@gmail.com wrote: From the beginners' guide at w1hkj.com (Bold and underline added by me) 3.5.2. Other controls
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID with FLDIGI stops decode
3.5.2. Other controls RSID This button turns on the receive RSID (automatic mode detection and tuning) feature. When in use, the button turns yellow and no text reception is possible until a signal is identified, or the feature is turned off again. If you plan to use the RSID feature on receive, you must leave the /Start New Modem at Sweet Spot/ item in the menu Configure-Defaults-Misc tab unchecked. .. unless you are using pskmail or another channelized service. Rein PA0R -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] RS ID / Video ID
Andy, Video ID is nice but when sent horizontal it has a very low average power so won't work well in poor conditions. The RS ID is sequential MFSK and will have 100% power. Also the Video ID doesn't automatically tune in your software. In MultiPSK it is possible to use both types of ID before a transmission and this is useful if testing out a relatively unknown mode and you want others who don't run MultiPSK to know what you are transmitting in and those that do to automatically switch modes. The only thing I would warn against is using the Video ID in an ARQ mode as it adds a significant delay to the switching. ALE400 FAE has the ability to transmit the RS ID only on initial calls and connects and then it is turned off for the duration of the QSO. An upshot of this is that if you know there is a MultiPSK enabled machine on frequency you can SELCAL it and make the link without the other operator doing anything. Even if you are off tune the other machine will home in on your signal and if it is the right call it will respond to you. I have used this to successfully send John VE5MU an email with a binary attachment without any intervention required by him. Of course the ARQ nature of ALE400 FAE means that the email + attachment get sent without error and you are notified that the sending was successful. 73, Sholto. Andrew O'Brien wrote: With Multipsk, FLDIGI and DM780 all using Video ID, maybe that is the best for now, Andy On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what? I have not used RS ID much as of late and it never even entered my mind to use this last night. But then again, both stations need to use Multipsk for that to work. Are any other programs going to be adding the technology? 73, Rick, KV9U Sholto Fisher wrote: The problem with knowing where to tune any signal can be solved completely by use of RS ID (as in MultiPSK, PocketDigi etc). It amazes me we have had this technology for over a year now and very few people seem to realize the potential of this. Even with s/n ratios down around -15dB MultiPSK will successfully lock on to the center frequency of any mode and also switch to the correct mode/parameters. In the real world there is always going to be some mis-tuning and although the IFK modes have excellent tolerance in respect to this if someone is 500Hz away they aren't going to decode your transmission, especially if they can't see it on the waterfall. Sending an RS ID before will get them on frequency instantly. 73, Sholto KE7HPV.
Re: [digitalradio] RS-ID
Hello Cesco and John, Here is an extract of the help about RS ID: This RS (RS for Reed-Solomon) identifier permits to, automatically, locate, any digital transmission done in one of the RX/TX modes handled by Multipsk (91 modes and sub-modes in 4.1.1 version). It is detected, in one hand, the used mode and, in the other hand, the central frequency of the identifier (which is also the central frequency of the transmission), with a precision of +/- 2.7 Hz. As soon as this identifier is received, Multipsk switches on the received mode and frequency and decodes immediatly the QSO in progress or the call (CQ). This identifier is transmitted in 1.4 sec and has a bandwidth of 172 Hz. Its detection is done down to a Signal to Noise ratio of -14 dB (without missing at -12 dB), so with a sensitivity equal or better than the one of the majority of the digital modes (RTTY, PSK31...). So : How long is the duration of the rs-id transmission ?: about 1.5 sec How accurate is the tuning?: about 3 Hz 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: cesco12342000 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:41 AM Subject: [digitalradio] RS-ID Hi Patrick, It will be perhaps interesting to have a specific RS ID which would permit to auto-tune automatically This would allow to drop the central carrier and get a 75hz narrower signal. It would loose the ability to transfer text, but gain 10% in robustness. Good idea. Questions: How long is the duration of the rs-id transmission ? How accurate is the tuning? 73, Cesco
