Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW - last resort?

[Les Warriner]

Go to Africa and learn the drums.  They work too and are effective 
over a large area.



At 03:28 PM 6/1/2008, you wrote:


Could be true Chuck. I guess to take it just a step further, we need
to ask Simon to start looking into writing another mode into his
great software to decode/operate the hammers to hit the trees like
the old natives in the jungle do.

Oops, somebody would have to go cut down trees and the "huggers"
ain't going to like that, so I guess the knocking sounds will be
vertically polarized due to striking standing trees.

Oh wait! This even predates CW and was just as effective . hmm
Should we find possible scenarios to justify this mode now too?
HiHiHi

John KE5HAM

--- In 
digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, 
Chuck Mayfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:
>
> Do not laugh. It could come to pass that we (mankind) will need to
> reinvent spark gap.Who knows what evil lurks in the minds
>
> Chuck AA5J
>
> At 02:39 PM 6/1/2008, Jack Hamilton wrote:
>
>
> >On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:07:17 -0400, "Paul L Schmidt, K9PS"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > > Andrew O'Brien wrote:
> > > > My reading of the message is that Morse code is "authorized"
NOT
> > > > mandated. It seems a reasonable decision for a organization
often
> > > > dependent on volunteers, if they want to use it.. let'em.
MARS will
> > > > continue to use MT63, ALE, PSK, and many other digital modes.
> > > >
> > > > Andy K3UK
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's exactly the correct reading. Another tool for the
toolbox.
> > >
> > > Digital modes (ranging in complexity from WL2K and ALE down to
PSK31
> > > and RTTY) will carry the bulk of the traffic. But if the
computer
> > > goes down and propagation stinks, CW certainly beats "nothing".
> >
> >I guess it's time for us all to learn how to build spark gap
> >transmitters, just in case.
> >
> >--
> >Jack Hamilton
> >Sacramento, California
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW - last resort?

[Chuck Mayfield]

Do not laugh.  It could come to pass that we (mankind) will need to 
reinvent spark gap.Who knows what evil lurks in the minds

Chuck AA5J

At 02:39 PM 6/1/2008, Jack Hamilton wrote:


>On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:07:17 -0400, "Paul L Schmidt, K9PS"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Andrew O'Brien wrote:
> > > My reading of the message is that Morse code is "authorized" NOT
> > > mandated. It seems a reasonable decision for a organization often
> > > dependent on volunteers, if they want to use it.. let'em. MARS will
> > > continue to use MT63, ALE, PSK, and many other digital modes.
> > >
> > > Andy K3UK
> > >
> >
> > That's exactly the correct reading. Another tool for the toolbox.
> >
> > Digital modes (ranging in complexity from WL2K and ALE down to PSK31
> > and RTTY) will carry the bulk of the traffic. But if the computer
> > goes down and propagation stinks, CW certainly beats "nothing".
>
>I guess it's time for us all to learn how to build spark gap
>transmitters, just in case.
>
>--
>Jack Hamilton
>Sacramento, California
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW - last resort?

[George Wedge]

Very good Simon.
Years ago we had racing pigeon's.
To bad I still don't have the loft.
Have a good day.
George K1OLS
PS I thing your program is great.
 

> UK members of this list are already constructing pigeon lofts.
> 
> Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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> --
> From: "Jack Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>> I guess it's time for us all to learn how to build spark gap
>> transmitters, just in case.
>> 
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW - last resort?

[Jose A. Amador]

Even when I have nothing against DV, people have to recognize that it is 
not a QRP activity. I see quite a few signals I can never decode because 
they do not exceed the threshold.  FDMDV is not PSK31.

73,

Jose, CO2JA

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Jim Dear wrote:

> Amen, and hopefully someday soon, come into the 21st century by 
> instituting digital voice, as well as the other digital modes currently 
> used.
> Pax,
> Jim Dear
> W5LOG
> NNN0RKQ

Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW - last resort?

[Simon Brown]

UK members of this list are already constructing pigeon lofts.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV

--
From: "Jack Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> I guess it's time for us all to learn how to build spark gap
> transmitters, just in case.
> 
 

Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW - last resort?

[Jack Hamilton]

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:07:17 -0400, "Paul L Schmidt, K9PS"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Andrew O'Brien wrote:
> > My reading of the message is that Morse code is "authorized" NOT
> > mandated.  It seems a reasonable decision for a organization often
> > dependent on volunteers, if they want to use it.. let'em.  MARS will
> > continue to use MT63, ALE, PSK, and many other digital modes.
> > 
> > Andy K3UK
> >
> 
> That's exactly the correct reading. Another tool for the toolbox.
> 
> Digital modes (ranging in complexity from WL2K and ALE down to PSK31
> and RTTY) will carry the bulk of the traffic.  But if the computer
> goes down and propagation stinks, CW certainly beats "nothing".

I guess it's time for us all to learn how to build spark gap
transmitters, just in case.



--
Jack Hamilton
Sacramento, California
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW - last resort?

[Paul L Schmidt, K9PS]

Andrew O'Brien wrote:
> My reading of the message is that Morse code is "authorized" NOT
> mandated.  It seems a reasonable decision for a organization often
> dependent on volunteers, if they want to use it.. let'em.  MARS will
> continue to use MT63, ALE, PSK, and many other digital modes.
> 
> Andy K3UK
>

That's exactly the correct reading. Another tool for the toolbox.

Digital modes (ranging in complexity from WL2K and ALE down to PSK31
and RTTY) will carry the bulk of the traffic.  But if the computer
goes down and propagation stinks, CW certainly beats "nothing".

- ps

Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW - last resort?

[Rick W.]

I have to concur with Charlie. I did not see anything negative in the 
MARS reappraisal of CW. In fact, it seemed bizarre and counterproductive 
to me when they decided to not only drop CW, but to prohibit its use on 
MARS channels some years back!

I do agree that there are almost no new hams who are willing to do the 
work necessary to become proficient with CW. Of all the classes I have 
taught over the years, mostly entry level Technician and more recently 
several General classes, I can not recall any of my students ever going 
on to learn CW.

When I commented on this to our STM a year or so ago, he pointed out 
that while things were not going all that well with the Section 
Intrastate CW nets, the growth area was actually in the entry level CW 
nets. Back in the early 1980's when I got relicensed, I was quite active 
on the WNN (Wisconsin Novice Net) and WSSN (Wisconsin Slow Speed Net) 
and was even WSSN NCS for a year or so on Monday nights. We had about as 
many QNI then as now, so maybe there will be a few new replacements? Or 
maybe that is wishful thinking?

Based on the comments by David, he does not seem to understand that CW 
really can get through when other modes can not, and that includes most 
of the digital modes.This is especially true if you consider the 
bandwidth used. And when you are in an emergency situation, you may have 
a telegraph key or can figure out a way to key the rig, but you may not 
have the computer necessary for most digital modes.

There may be a few digital modes, that can compete with CW under extreme 
conditions and can operate with faster throughput. But there are very 
few traffic nets or emergency nets that seem to do this. None in our 
Section even though I have talked it up from time to time. The ARES 
"leadership" wants all digital to move to only Winlink 2000 so digital 
activity has not progressed well except perhaps in the more heavily 
populated areas.

I can not even get new hams to operate machine CW, even though they have 
the privileges now to operate on 80/40/15/10. But then again, almost 
none of them will operate SSB or digital on 10 meters either:(

73,

Rick, KV9U


kb3co wrote:
> David,
> If you feel so inferior because you lack CW skills perhaps you should 
> make the effort and develop them.
> Mocking someone for having something you do not is so very lame.
>
> 73,
> Charlie
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "David Little" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   
>> Isn't this just precious.  .  
>>  
>> The move is divisive, and obviously geared toward attrition.  Navy 
>> 
> seems to
>   
>> be leading the charge
>>  
>> Chief NAVMARMARS managed to honor tradition, and managed to make 
>> 
> policy move
>   
>> back toward the stone age.
>>  
>> Nice tantrum.
>>  
>> What a comfort.
>>  
>> I will sleep better at night.
>>  
>> For those that haven't followed the media campaign, MARS is moving 
>> 
> toward a
>   
>> Customer-Based Emergency Communications organization.  
>>  
>> Since they are now involved directly with TSA and other Gov't ESFs, 
>> 
> it seems
>   
>> only logical that they should try to pass their customer's traffic 
>> 
> in CW.  
>   
>>  
>> After all, it is more common than Latin, and all of their customers 
>> 
> will
>   
>> certainly be able to copy.  
>>  
>> Further note,  I don't think he really views CW as a last resort.  
>>  
>> .
>>  
>> David
>> KD4NUE
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 

Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW - last resort?

[Jim Dear]

Amen, and hopefully someday soon, come into the 21st century by instituting 
digital voice, as well as the other digital modes currently used.
Pax,
Jim Dear
W5LOG
NNN0RKQ
 


Andrew O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My 
reading of the message is that Morse code is "authorized" NOT
 mandated.  It seems a reasonable decision for a organization often
 dependent on volunteers, if they want to use it.. let'em.  MARS will
 continue to use MT63, ALE, PSK, and many other digital modes.
 
 Andy K3UK