Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A
Steve wrote: The same is not true for CW ops if they have narrow filters. On all the rigs I've owned the filters are selectable. Are there any radios that have only very narrow CW filters, or are the 'on/off' buttons difficult to operate? ;-) Taking tongue out of cheek, as I do enjoy CW as well, saying that people with digital modes can, and should, listen 1st and look at the frequencies around them, the same should be true for CW operators. In my opinion. Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A
Now Dave, C'mon I have the narrow cw filter on my 706mk II The on / off button is a challenge. Loljust messing with you now. No offence. On a serious note though, even with my limited cw surely it is possible to answer a QRL back in cw, providing you at least have 2 wires and a paper clip to slap together if no key hi hi. (I do have some keys now, but I used a paper clip on the desk for my 1st cw qso ) Also isn't there something about sending your ID in SSB /CW anyway. I also read this and thought, hey most digi mode software will send an cw id and or you could use computer generated cw to check if the frequency is in use. I am so desperate to get my cw receiving up to scratch so I can use it freely, I wish we had still had to take the test back in 2004 to be honest. Maybe we could sked a qrs contact some afternoon / evening. Toby MM0TOB ---Original Message--- From: Dave Ackrill Date: 22/02/2010 11:00:08 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A Steve wrote: The same is not true for CW ops if they have narrow filters. On all the rigs I've owned the filters are selectable. Are there any radios that have only very narrow CW filters, or are the 'on/off' buttons difficult to operate? ;-) Taking tongue out of cheek, as I do enjoy CW as well, saying that people with digital modes can, and should, listen 1st and look at the frequencies around them, the same should be true for CW operators. In my opinion. Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A
I often look at the CW signal on the waterfall when I hear one close to me. My view is...if his signal is not exactly on the same part of the waterfall as mine, we are OK. I can notch him out and he can do the same to me. A couple of hundred Hz separation should be all we need. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Toby Burnett ruff...@hebrides.net wrote: Now Dave, C'mon I have the narrow cw filter on my 706mk II The on / off button is a challenge. Loljust messing with you now. No offence. On a serious note though, even with my limited cw surely it is possible to answer a QRL back in cw, providing you at least have 2 wires and a paper clip to slap together if no key hi hi. (I do have some keys now, but I used a paper clip on the desk for my 1st cw qso ) Also isn't there something about sending your ID in SSB /CW anyway. I also read this and thought, hey most digi mode software will send an cw id and or you could use computer generated cw to check if the frequency is in use. I am so desperate to get my cw receiving up to scratch so I can use it freely, I wish we had still had to take the test back in 2004 to be honest. Maybe we could sked a qrs contact some afternoon / evening. Toby MM0TOB *---Original Message---* *From:* Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk *Date:* 22/02/2010 11:00:08 *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A Steve wrote: The same is not true for CW ops if they have narrow filters. On all the rigs I've owned the filters are selectable. Are there any radios that have only very narrow CW filters, or are the 'on/off' buttons difficult to operate? ;-) Taking tongue out of cheek, as I do enjoy CW as well, saying that people with digital modes can, and should, listen 1st and look at the frequencies around them, the same should be true for CW operators. In my opinion. Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A
Toby Burnett wrote: Now Dave, C'mon I have the narrow cw filter on my 706mk II The on / off button is a challenge. Loljust messing with you now. No offence. On a serious note though, even with my limited cw surely it is possible to answer a QRL back in cw, providing you at least have 2 wires and a paper clip to slap together if no key hi hi. (I do have some keys now, but I used a paper clip on the desk for my 1st cw qso ) Also isn't there something about sending your ID in SSB /CW anyway. I also read this and thought, hey most digi mode software will send an cw id and or you could use computer generated cw to check if the frequency is in use. Yes, I had an IC706MKIIG for a long while. Maybe it was the poor location of the filter button that made me get rid of it? HI. Here in the UK the requirement for CW ID was removed several years ago and the latest UK licence is a much simpler and very cut down document. There's not even a legal requirement to keep a logbook anymore and the /M or /A or /P suffixes are 'recommendations' that people 'may' use. These are mentioned in the notes to the licence, not even in the main body... If anyone wants to see a modern UK licence, a draft copy is available on the OFCOM website, go to http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Licences/samplelicence07.pdf Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A
Dave, I knew about the logbook but not the cwid or /m /p etc hmm. I am getting out of touch. The only time I can see not using a log book though is when /m but that's just me. I love looking back over the past 6 years at old qso's and seeing if I have a (new one hi hi ) When I was first licensed March the 5th 2004 everything was a new one and I think for the new breed of M6 / M3's etc it would be a shame for them to not keep a log. Ok I don't log every single net on 160m or VHF for example, but pretty much every contact still goes in the log, I bet you are the same. VHF is such a shame up here in the outer Hebrides, took the puppy for a walk yesterday and up the hill I can see most of the isle of Lewis for 2m, not a single reply even through GB3IG which I though was quite sad for a Sunday afternoon. There must be at least 25 operators on the island and the repeater can work some distance out to the NW Scotland. I don't have a 2m antenna up at the MO and this was quite sad to not make a single contact. Oh well. Toby Desperate for CW. lol ---Original Message--- From: Dave Ackrill Date: 22/02/2010 11:34:35 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A Toby Burnett wrote: Now Dave, C'mon I have the narrow cw filter on my 706mk II The on / off button is a challenge. Lol just messing with you now. No offence. On a serious note though, even with my limited cw surely it is possible to answer a QRL back in cw, providing you at least have 2 wires and a paper clip to slap together if no key hi hi. (I do have some keys now, but I used a paper clip on the desk for my 1st cw qso ) Also isn't there something about sending your ID in SSB /CW anyway. I also read this and thought, hey most digi mode software will send an cw id and or you could use computer generated cw to check if the frequency is in use. Yes, I had an IC706MKIIG for a long while. Maybe it was the poor location of the filter button that made me get rid of it? HI. Here in the UK the requirement for CW ID was removed several years ago and the latest UK licence is a much simpler and very cut down document. There's not even a legal requirement to keep a logbook anymore and the /M or /A or /P suffixes are 'recommendations' that people 'may' use. These are mentioned in the notes to the licence, not even in the main body... If anyone wants to see a modern UK licence, a draft copy is available on the OFCOM website, go to http://www.ofcom.org uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Licences/samplelicence07.pdf Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A
Toby Burnett wrote: Dave, I knew about the logbook but not the cwid or /m /p etc hmm. I am getting out of touch. The only time I can see not using a log book though is when /m but that's just me. I love looking back over the past 6 years at old qso's and seeing if I have a (new one hi hi ) I do tend to keep a record of stations that I work, but I no longer log every CQ call, as we used to have to do. I guess it's a case of not being a legal requirement, but a nice record to have. OK on 2M, it can be the same down here at times. 2M SSB only seems to get going in the summer and those of us that prefer CW tend to have to wait for Aurora and Meteor Scatter to really kick in. Anyway, I think were getting off topic for this thread now. Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A
I agree with that, and I see modern day rigs have a tremendous amount of filtering capability. I'm talking about the likes of the 756 pros / FT1000 s / ts2000's etc etc and other such radios that would take a small mortgage for me. I notice that these have variable band pass filters and the like that could probably narrow the pass band to a few 10's of hertz enough for a single cw or bpsk31 signal. I suspect that these work on TX also ? Like me and many many others who run older equipment without all the bells and whistles though, as you say. I was always taught to listen first and then listen again. Although just remember that we don't all have the super dsp and notch filters on our radio's. Out of interest, do common filters work on TX or just rx, and if not why?? ---Original Message--- From: Andy obrien Date: 22/02/2010 11:32:36 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A I often look at the CW signal on the waterfall when I hear one close to me My view is...if his signal is not exactly on the same part of the waterfall as mine, we are OK. I can notch him out and he can do the same to me. A couple of hundred Hz separation should be all we need. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Toby Burnett ruff...@hebrides.net wrote: Now Dave, C'mon I have the narrow cw filter on my 706mk II The on / off button is a challenge. Loljust messing with you now. No offence. On a serious note though, even with my limited cw surely it is possible to answer a QRL back in cw, providing you at least have 2 wires and a paper clip to slap together if no key hi hi. (I do have some keys now, but I used a paper clip on the desk for my 1st cw qso ) Also isn't there something about sending your ID in SSB /CW anyway. I also read this and thought, hey most digi mode software will send an cw id and or you could use computer generated cw to check if the frequency is in use. I am so desperate to get my cw receiving up to scratch so I can use it freely, I wish we had still had to take the test back in 2004 to be honest. Maybe we could sked a qrs contact some afternoon / evening. Toby MM0TOB ---Original Message--- From: Dave Ackrill Date: 22/02/2010 11:00:08 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Considerate Operation: CW and JT65A Steve wrote: The same is not true for CW ops if they have narrow filters. On all the rigs I've owned the filters are selectable. Are there any radios that have only very narrow CW filters, or are the 'on/off' buttons difficult to operate? ;-) Taking tongue out of cheek, as I do enjoy CW as well, saying that people with digital modes can, and should, listen 1st and look at the frequencies around them, the same should be true for CW operators. In my opinion. Dave (G0DJA)
