Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu - thank you
Dear amigos ! Running here on two machines different versions of Linux operating systems... Old clunker runs Puppy Linux 4.3 with Fldigi, and it works extremely well, never crashes and can even operate with an old 640 X 480 black and white monitor !!! It is my main digital modes computer, as well as backup for text processing, web surfing etc. The other P5 machine runs UBUNTU with three options ... 8.04 KDE, 9.04 and just recently the 10.04 latest version. All work fine running digital modes... Have not tried SSTV yet... but PSK31, Olivia, MFSK work fine... Just by .02 cents worth of practical experience ... and I do not have to worry about malware protection... a simple CLAMAV seems to protect the two machines very well .. 73 and DX Arnie Coro CO2KK P.S. If any you have new ham radio programs that run on Linux UBUNTU or PUPPY, please send mail off the list to learn where it can be downloaded --- On Wed, 7/28/10, Dave Wright wrote: From: Dave Wright Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu - thank you To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 8:01 PM Great idea. Just remember, the "Windows way" of doing things doesn't always translate into Ubuntu. Give Ubuntu a good period of time, learn to use it, and you will not regret it. Dave On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:53 PM, n0alo wrote: Thank you everyone for the very usefull information. The response was great!. I think I will install both on the HD so I can choose on boot-up for the time being. I have been told that once using Ubuntu for awhile, I will never want to go back to windows. We will see. Thanks again Lynn -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net "Real radio bounces off of the sky"
Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu - thank you
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:22 AM, J. Moen wrote:
>
>
> I think you got some great answers, with the general theme that Linux is an
> excellent operating system AND people have written native Linux ham programs
> that also are excellent. Bottom line -- hams will be more than happy
> running Linux as their prime operating system.
>
> There was one replier who felt the need to denigrate Windows ("You will be
> rewarded with inexpensive secure software that is very robust and stable.
> Something you never had with Windows and it's what makes Linux great.")
>
> That part is kind of hard to understand. My Win XP SP3 machine has never
> crashed, not even once over these many years. At work, our Vista machines
> never go down, except when Building Maintenance decides to cut power to the
> mains. And I have used wonderfully robust Windows programs for many years.
>
>
You are either very lucky, very careful or you have serious malware and
virus protection running on those machines.
In the 1990's RainForestPuppy disclosed a vulnerability in all versions of
Windows that was so severe that Microsoft had no choice but to respond with
an operating system that literally could not run almost all previously
written Windows software. That operating system was Vista. It's third
incantation is Windows 7 (I count the second version as Vista SP2, the first
version of Vista that actually was stable at all). It looks like Microsoft
may have gotten it right with Windows 7. I like it a lot, but all previous
versions of Windows were either buggy or rife with vulnerabilities, like
needing to run with administrator privilege to install and run most
software.
It's not a secret that Windows systems are swiss cheese because of this
whole group of issues. Closing our eyes to these problems doesn't make them
go away. Running Windows without third party malware or virus protection
will lead you to a disaster in a short amount of time. This is common
knowledge.
When you talk to people that are not experts in running computers, I bet you
suggest to them to make sure their computer protected with virus and malware
protection and that they are up to date and run often.
None of this is necessary with Linux.
I make my living supporting Windows systems for a Fortune 50 company. Tens
of thousands of them. Yes, we keep them generally stable. But not without
the cost of serious firewalling, malware detection, virus protection and
policy administration. And even then, when a Windows system becomes
unstable, our second line of defense after a few minutes of troubleshooting
is to wipe the drive and reinstall, then reinstate just the data. We do this
because it takes far too long to troubleshoot arcane issues and often simply
wastes time. This is virtually never done on our Linux systems.
>
> The fact that Windows is both stable and robust does not mean I think Linux
> isn't. In fact, since I first read about Unix in 1977 and in the 80s played
> with various PC ports of Unix, and later Linux over the years, it's been
> fascinating to see this platform flourish and grow. It IS an excellent
> operating system.
>
>
I'm glad you've had great luck with windows. My experience, as well as most
everyone who runs Windows, is that without external support, it will fall
down quickly and become a victim of malware or viruses. And if you run with
administrative privileges, you have opened the door for anything that
attacks you as a user to also attack the entire system. The very design of
Unix and Linux prevents this kind of issue.
But you did get the general point that expecting Linux or any other
operating system to act like Windows is a poor stance that will make that
operating system disappoint you because it doesn't meet your preconceived
outcome.
Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu - thank you
I think you got some great answers, with the general theme that Linux is an
excellent operating system AND people have written native Linux ham programs
that also are excellent. Bottom line -- hams will be more than happy running
Linux as their prime operating system.
There was one replier who felt the need to denigrate Windows ("You will be
rewarded with inexpensive secure software that is very robust and stable.
Something you never had with Windows and it's what makes Linux great.")
That part is kind of hard to understand. My Win XP SP3 machine has never
crashed, not even once over these many years. At work, our Vista machines
never go down, except when Building Maintenance decides to cut power to the
mains. And I have used wonderfully robust Windows programs for many years.
The fact that Windows is both stable and robust does not mean I think Linux
isn't. In fact, since I first read about Unix in 1977 and in the 80s played
with various PC ports of Unix, and later Linux over the years, it's been
fascinating to see this platform flourish and grow. It IS an excellent
operating system.
Jim - K6JM
- Original Message -
From: n0alo
To: digiradio
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:53 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Ubuntu - thank you
Thank you everyone for the very usefull information. The response was great!.
I think I will install
both on the HD so I can choose on boot-up for the time being. I have been
told that once using
Ubuntu for awhile, I will never want to go back to windows. We will see.
Thanks again
Lynn
Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu - thank you
Great idea. Just remember, the "Windows way" of doing things doesn't always translate into Ubuntu. Give Ubuntu a good period of time, learn to use it, and you will not regret it. Dave On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:53 PM, n0alo wrote: > > > Thank you everyone for the very usefull information. The response was > great!. I think I will install > both on the HD so I can choose on boot-up for the time being. I have been > told that once using > Ubuntu for awhile, I will never want to go back to windows. We will see. > Thanks again > Lynn > > -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net "Real radio bounces off of the sky"
Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu
Ubuntu is an operating system, like Windows. It DOES NOT run Windows programs natively. The programs that Peter mentioned were ALL linux (Ubuntu) programs. Linux has most necessary drivers for most hardware out there. It would handle the sound card, modem, speaker, etc the same way Windows does in effect. If you are ever curious, you can download the Ubuntu ISO file, burn it to disc and start up a "live cd" install of Ubuntu. This loads Ubuntu into memory WITHOUT making any changes to the hard drive. It gives you an opportunity to test drive the support for your hardware without making any permanent changes, and then assuming everything is working, it lets you install the OS on the computer as well. You can have a hard disc that is "dual boot", meaning it can run both Windows AND Ubuntu; you simply select one or the other at the prompt during boot-up. With Linux, there are a LOT of options. I have to agree with Phil's comments that one shouldn't look to run Windows software under Linux, but rather look for the best Linux tools out there to do the job. Dave On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Ted Bear wrote: > > > I wonder...? I never played with Linux but in Peter's reply he mentions > several Windows programs. Does this mean that Ubuntu can be loaded on > lets say a laptop ... and then run as the only operating system.. Once > machine was running under Ubuntu .. Am I to understand that > > it would run..Windows type .EXE programs without any modification. ..?? > (Substituting for Windows OPSYS.) > , > If so... How would Linux handle the mouse..sound card..Mike and Spkr > output.. etc. etc. Or do I read that all wrong and what is happening is > that Windows is handling all the various driver applications and Linux would > be just another program running under Windows. And maybe the Ham > applications would be special versions coded to run under Linux.??? > , > I hope these are not dumb questions that must seem elementary to Linux > users..But it sure would open up some great ham radio possibilities for use > of some of the old laptops I have..? So any information would be > appreciated. If this is too far from the digital radio thread I sure would > like any links or info sent direct to my E-Mail (w7...@juno.com) Thanks > in advance es 73... Ted-W7RHB > -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net "Real radio bounces off of the sky"
Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu
But the original question was regarding "various windows digi software", so the answer should address things like: Ham Radio Deluxe, DX Lab Suite, EasyPAL, etc. Listing off a group of Linux software doesn't answer the question. That being said, WSJT, WSPR, Fldigi CQRLog and others are all GREAT programs on Ubuntu...especially CQRlog and Fldigi; so why would you need windows software for most applications. Dave On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Peter Frenning wrote: > > > ons, 28 07 2010 kl. 16:50 -0500, skrev n0alo: > > > > Has anyone in the group tried the various windows digi software with > Ubuntu? If so please contact me off list. > > Don't want to start a long thread on here. > > Thanks > > Lynn > > > No let's keep it public - others might be interested. > I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 (32-bit) with WSJT, WSPR, FLdigi, gMFSK all work > flawlessly. > Also I'm using CQRlog, and xdx (DX-cluster SW) and grig (rudimentary rig > control) > > I have also used QSSTV in the past, but lost interest. > > Try searching for "ham" in the SWcenter > > Vy 73 de OZ1PIF/5Q2M, Peter > > * > ** Genius is one per cent inspiration, ** > ** and ninety-nine per cent** > ** perspiration. ** > ** -- Thomas A. Edison ** > * > email: peter(no-spam filler)@frenning.dk > http://www.frenning.dk/oz1pif.htm > Ph. +45 4619 3239 > Snailmail: > Peter Frenning > Ternevej 23 > DK-4130 Viby Sj. > Denmark > * > > > -- Dave K3DCW www.k3dcw.net "Real radio bounces off of the sky"
Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu
ons, 28 07 2010 kl. 16:50 -0500, skrev n0alo: > > > > Has anyone in the group tried the various windows digi software with > Ubuntu? If so please contact me off list. > Don't want to start a long thread on here. > Thanks > Lynn No let's keep it public - others might be interested. I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 (32-bit) with WSJT, WSPR, FLdigi, gMFSK all work flawlessly. Also I'm using CQRlog, and xdx (DX-cluster SW) and grig (rudimentary rig control) I have also used QSSTV in the past, but lost interest. Try searching for "ham" in the SWcenter Vy 73 de OZ1PIF/5Q2M, Peter * ** Genius is one per cent inspiration, ** ** and ninety-nine per cent** ** perspiration. ** ** -- Thomas A. Edison ** * email: peter(no-spam filler)@frenning.dk http://www.frenning.dk/oz1pif.htm Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark *
Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu and flidigi - help
Peter, What problems are you finding with fldigi on MS Windows? Having run fldigi on Linux at one time, but now only running programs that run on Windows XP and Windows Vista, I have not found much difference except it is much easier to get it to work in Windows compared to Linux. Of course fldigi has progressed tremendously in recent time and now is a full blown digital program that offers features and modes not available on other digital programs. 73, Rick, KV9U Peter Frenning [OZ1PIF] wrote: > (BTW: the windows version of fldigi sucks big-time, but the Linux > version rocks!) >
Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu and flidigi - help
Curt Givens skrev: > Hi, gang, well I took the plunge and set up a machine with Ubuntu used > Synaptic to "install" Fldigi and I can't find it or any of the Amateur Radio > programs that I supposedly installed could someone contact me off list and > point me in the correct direction. I'm new to Linux and this has me baffled. > > Tnx a bunch and 73 > Curt > Hi Curt, Actually what's throwing you here, is the simplicity of the install process. You download a binary (packed in .tgz format) when you unpack it it's placed wherever you downloaded to - on my system by default the Desktop. You can the execute fldigi by doubleclicking on the filename (in Nautilus) or the desktop icon. At first run it'll create a hidden folder (.fligi) in your home directory (/home/yourlogin/.fldigi), containing a bunch of necessary run-time files. If you don't like the default light-blue diamond icon for the executable file, you can fetch the fldigi-psk.png file from the homepage http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html place it any convenient location (.fldigi) right-clik on the executable - select properties - double-click on the icon - and tell it where to find the icon file. If you feel adventurous you can also place the binary in the .fldigi folder and create a desktop link to it. Good luck. (BTW: the windows version of fldigi sucks big-time, but the Linux version rocks!) -- Vy 73 de OZ1PIF/5Q2M, Peter ** CW: Who? Me? You must be joking!! ** email: peter(no-spam-filler)@frenning.dk http://www.frenning.dk/oz1pif.htm Ph. +45 4619 3239 Snailmail: Peter Frenning Ternevej 23 DK-4130 Viby Sj. Denmark ***
Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu and flidigi - help
I just realized I left you hanging on how to start fldigi... Since it is in a location that is normally in the path statement, you can open a terminal window and enter fldigi. If you want a menu item to point to fldigi you can select 'System' then 'Preferences' then 'Main Menu' This opens a window that allows you to add menu items. It adds items to whichever item is selected on the left. Howard K5HB - Original Message From: Howard Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:03:27 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu and flidigi - help Hi Curt, I will post instead of email in case some one else might be interested. Fldigi is probably in directory /usr/bin ... to make sure, click the menu item 'Places' followed by 'Search for Files'. In the search program, in the name contains field, enter 'fldigi' (no apostrophes) . Select 'File System' in the Look in folder field. Search will show you all the places where there is anything named fldigi. The items that have a blue diamond icon are the executable programs. When you double click one of them it will start, and will show the fldigi version in the title bar. The version packaged for apt is probably old but it is still a very good program. If you decide to upgrade, it is pretty simple - you just replace the fldigi file with the new version. If you become interested, we can run through that too. (The main trick is to get su authority.) Howard K5HB using Ubuntu 8.04 and fldigi 3.03.1. - Original Message From: Curt Givens <[EMAIL PROTECTED] net> To: Digital Radio Cc: illinoisdigitalham@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 5:16:03 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Ubuntu and flidigi - help Hi, gang, well I took the plunge and set up a machine with Ubuntu used Synaptic to "install" Fldigi and I can't find it or any of the Amateur Radio programs that I supposedly installed could someone contact me off list and point me in the correct direction. I'm new to Linux and this has me baffled. Tnx a bunch and 73 Curt Curt Givens KC8STE, AAR5VR Army MARS Earthdog and Special Programs Director GCDOC/GCAC Dayton, OH "Registering lawful Americans who possess a gun to stop armed criminals, is like registering virgins to stop prostitution. "
Re: [digitalradio] Ubuntu and flidigi - help
Hi Curt, I will post instead of email in case some one else might be interested. Fldigi is probably in directory /usr/bin ... to make sure, click the menu item 'Places' followed by 'Search for Files'. In the search program, in the name contains field, enter 'fldigi' (no apostrophes). Select 'File System' in the Look in folder field. Search will show you all the places where there is anything named fldigi. The items that have a blue diamond icon are the executable programs. When you double click one of them it will start, and will show the fldigi version in the title bar. The version packaged for apt is probably old but it is still a very good program. If you decide to upgrade, it is pretty simple - you just replace the fldigi file with the new version. If you become interested, we can run through that too. (The main trick is to get su authority.) Howard K5HB using Ubuntu 8.04 and fldigi 3.03.1. - Original Message From: Curt Givens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Digital Radio Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 5:16:03 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Ubuntu and flidigi - help Hi, gang, well I took the plunge and set up a machine with Ubuntu used Synaptic to "install" Fldigi and I can't find it or any of the Amateur Radio programs that I supposedly installed could someone contact me off list and point me in the correct direction. I'm new to Linux and this has me baffled. Tnx a bunch and 73 Curt Curt Givens KC8STE, AAR5VR Army MARS Earthdog and Special Programs Director GCDOC/GCAC Dayton, OH "Registering lawful Americans who possess a gun to stop armed criminals, is like registering virgins to stop prostitution. "
