Re: [Discuss] CentOS 6.0 finally passes QA testing
On Jun 17, 2011, at 11:37 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: >> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:27 PM, John Abreau wrote: >> >>> Looks like CentOS 6.0 is finally being released. According to the QA >>> calendar >>> at >>> >>>http://qaweb.dev.centos.org/qa/ >>> >>> it's due to be pushed out to the download mirrors on Monday, and I assume >>> this means it should be generally available on Tuesday. >> >> Meanwhile, Red Hat has already released Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.1, so >> they're still more than six months behind, and won't be getting most of >> the the key security fixes that do go into the 6.1 errata update kernels. > > I'm confused by this statement. I realize that Red Hat is no longer > distributing kernel > source in such a way as to allow someone to easily determine what each > patch does. It has absolutely nothing to do with that. > I don't, however, see how this matters if all one wants to do is run > the 'same' kernel > as Red Hat. You can run the "same" kernel as Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.0. Not 6.1. Therein lies the problem. > The monolithic source for the entire Red Hat kernel > should still be available. It is. But CentOS isn't in the kernel patching business. They're in the rebuild only business. And if they're still rebuilding just 6.0 after 6.1 has been released, then they're not getting the security and bug fixes that are backported from the 6.2 development tree into 6.1 errata kernels. As far as I know, Red Hat isn't going to continue patching 6.0 kernels now that 6.1 is released, which means that CentOS 6.0 users are going to be running kernels with known security vulnerabilities. I'd take a pass on using that in production, thank you. Use the real deal, or another clone that is more on top of things. -- Jarod Wilson ja...@wilsonet.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[Discuss] Skype Replacement
I may have asked this before, is there a practical replacement for Skype now that they've been bought by Microsoft? I refuse to give M$ my money if I can avoid it. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Skype Replacement
On 06/20/2011 04:06 PM, Mark Woodward wrote: > I may have asked this before, is there a practical replacement for Skype > now that they've been bought by Microsoft? I refuse to give M$ my money > if I can avoid it. Skype is free ... DR ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Skype Replacement
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 04:06:38PM -0400, Mark Woodward wrote: > I may have asked this before, is there a practical replacement for Skype > now that they've been bought by Microsoft? I refuse to give M$ my money > if I can avoid it. The underlying technology will be SIP; the only issue standing in the way is getting everybody you talk to, to give you a SIP address. Interoperability is great. Google Voice, phone systems, Windows, Macs (not iChat, though), Linux, Android, smartish cellphones... -dsr- -- http://tao.merseine.nu/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference. You can't fight for freedom by taking away rights. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Skype Replacement
What Skype functionality are you trying to replace? VoIP, IM, Video Chat, placing and receiving calls with traditional phone networks? Jitsi, http://www.jitsi.org/ , is a pretty decent replacement for most of those things. It was recently covered on the Floss Weekly podcast. http://twit.tv/floss162 It can use SIP and Jabber to initiate the calls and includes wideband audio support which is what makes skype sound better than most alternatives. It supports most IM servers and with a SIP service provider you can make and receive calls to the traditional phone networks. -- David On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Mark Woodward wrote: > I may have asked this before, is there a practical replacement for Skype > now that they've been bought by Microsoft? I refuse to give M$ my money > if I can avoid it. > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Skype Replacement
On 06/20/2011 04:13 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > On 06/20/2011 04:06 PM, Mark Woodward wrote: >> I may have asked this before, is there a practical replacement for Skype >> now that they've been bought by Microsoft? I refuse to give M$ my money >> if I can avoid it. > Skype is free ... Yes and no. The point to point service is free, but the phone calls are not. > DR > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] CentOS 6.0 finally passes QA testing
When I checked the QA calendar on Friday, it still showed QA signoff and syncing to internal mirrors as Thursday, which I assumed meant that the signoff was successful at last. I checked again Sunday, and the calendar still showed this. Tonight, the calendar shows that it's slipped another week. I guess they just forgot to update the damn calendar. So... what other clones do people recommend? I recall hearing mention of Scientific Linux in the past; is this good as a general server OS? Is it supported by repos such as EPEL and Rpmfusion? On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Jun 17, 2011, at 11:37 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: >>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:27 PM, John Abreau wrote: >>> Looks like CentOS 6.0 is finally being released. According to the QA calendar at http://qaweb.dev.centos.org/qa/ it's due to be pushed out to the download mirrors on Monday, and I assume this means it should be generally available on Tuesday. >>> >>> Meanwhile, Red Hat has already released Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.1, so >>> they're still more than six months behind, and won't be getting most of >>> the the key security fixes that do go into the 6.1 errata update kernels. >> >> I'm confused by this statement. I realize that Red Hat is no longer >> distributing kernel >> source in such a way as to allow someone to easily determine what each >> patch does. > > It has absolutely nothing to do with that. > > >> I don't, however, see how this matters if all one wants to do is run >> the 'same' kernel >> as Red Hat. > > You can run the "same" kernel as Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.0. Not 6.1. > Therein lies the problem. > > >> The monolithic source for the entire Red Hat kernel >> should still be available. > > It is. But CentOS isn't in the kernel patching business. They're in the > rebuild > only business. And if they're still rebuilding just 6.0 after 6.1 has been > released, then they're not getting the security and bug fixes that are > backported > from the 6.2 development tree into 6.1 errata kernels. As far as I know, Red > Hat > isn't going to continue patching 6.0 kernels now that 6.1 is released, which > means that CentOS 6.0 users are going to be running kernels with known > security > vulnerabilities. I'd take a pass on using that in production, thank you. Use > the > real deal, or another clone that is more on top of things. > > > -- > Jarod Wilson > ja...@wilsonet.com > > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix AIM abreauj / JABBER j...@jabber.blu.org / YAHOO abreauj / SKYPE zusa_it_mgr Email j...@blu.org / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Skype Replacement
Mark Woodward wrote: > ...is there a practical replacement for Skype... SIP for the protocol and Jitsi for the client have already been mentioned. SIP is far more open than Skype. If you set up the correct DNS entries, you can even have people use your email address as your SIP "phone number." SIP generally requires a server in the cloud to connect up the two parties, and thus isn't quite as distributed as Skype, but you can run your own server (such as Asterisk). I'm not sure what the SIP answer is for encryption, which Skype supposedly provides. (Though see prior mention that variable bitrate voice encoding can be largely decoded. Same principle would apply to using a VBR codec with SIP sent through a VPN tunnel.) I listened to the same podcast on Jitsi that was mentioned, and I have it installed, but it is largely a multi-protocol IM client plus a SIP softphone. I already have both of those, so I haven't been motivated to try it out further. Jitsi also provides desktop sharing (as does Skype) - I believe via VNC, or at least the same underlying protocols. Lately I've been using the Twinkle SIP softphone in conjunction with a free VoIP account from Callcentric. Seems to work well. (Twinkle isn't very flashy, but it has a handy feature where it can launch a script (CGI-like) on various events, such as an incoming call. I have a talking caller-ID rigged up to it.) Also, because SIP is open, you can easily find hardware, such as phones and analog telephone adapters (ATAs) that speak the protocol. One interesting ATA is OBi110 (http://obihai.com/), which I've heard from a few people works well. -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA "Enterprise solutions through open source." Professional Profile: http://tmetro.venturelogic.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Google Voice
Dan Ritter wrote: > Interoperability is great. Google Voice... Has Google officially added SIP support to GV? I had read that for a short while you could reach your GV number via SIP using some test servers Google had in place, but they went away. And I see at east one ATA (http://obihai.com/) supports GV. But I haven't ran across any documentation explaining how to dial a GV line via SIP, or have GV forward to a SIP end point. (Although I haven't looked for this info lately.) -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA "Enterprise solutions through open source." Professional Profile: http://tmetro.venturelogic.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
