Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
2011/8/7 Shirley Márquez Dúlcey : >> Recent high-end Radeon and NVidia video cards tend to come with >> DisplayPort, too. > > I haven't seen that; the ones I've seen come with HDMI rather than > DisplayPort. That doesn't mean that all of them do, but if I'm spending I'd > rather have an HDMI port. DisplayPort never really caught on with anybody > other than Apple, and it strikes me as a standard that has no good reason > for existence; what technical advantage does it have over the more widely > adopted HDMI? (I'm prepared to be enlightened if it actually has one.) DP has two main differences compared to HDMI, one non-technical and one technical: 1. DP is an open royalty-free standard supported by VESA, HDMI has royalties per connector. One is free to extend the DP standard for customized applications (e.g. embedded markets) 2. DP allows for a 720Mbps AUX channel that could be used for data transfer. Most practical use is for touchscreens, DPMS and for using it for USB data (think USB hubs in the monitor without needing a separate USB cable). HDMI allows for a relatively low-speed "Consumer Electronics Control" channel and is used by several consumer electronics vendors for vendor-specific remote controls (e.g. Sony BluRay player talking to Sony TV or Sony A/V receiver). DP also supports multiple audio/video streams over the same cable. Practically, you'll find most computer/graphics card vendors supporting both DP & HDMI, though some may have only DP ports and ask you to buy a separate DP -> HDMI dongle to connect to your TV (thus passing the HDMI royalty fee to the dongle). IMHO, the DP connector is more robust compared to HDMI. A point to note is that both standards are continually evolving, and the technical differences between the two are getting blurred with each revision. Hope this helps, Shankar ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
On Aug 7, 2011, at 9:52 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > > I haven't seen that; the ones I've seen come with HDMI rather than > DisplayPort. I have, but it isn't necessarily the high-end cards, nor are the two mutually exclusive. I have a budget Radeon HD 5670, cost me $82 from Newegg earlier this year, that has one each DVI, HDMI and DisplayPort. Overall, I've seen more DisplayPort than HDMI on non-Apple computer equipment, the exception being computer equipment intended for home theater applications. --Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
On 8/7/2011 9:44 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: Recent high-end Radeon and NVidia video cards tend to come with DisplayPort, too. I haven't seen that; the ones I've seen come with HDMI rather than DisplayPort. That doesn't mean that all of them do, but if I'm spending I'd rather have an HDMI port. DisplayPort never really caught on with anybody other than Apple, and it strikes me as a standard that has no good reason for existence; what technical advantage does it have over the more widely adopted HDMI? (I'm prepared to be enlightened if it actually has one.) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 09:22:23PM -0400, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > Monitors bigger than 1920x1200 will need a dual-link DVI connection > if they don't have a DisplayPort input (which means pretty much > anybody other than Apple), so make sure to get the dual-link DVI > adapter for your MacBook Pro. (The first message said a Mac Pro > which would be a desktop system but a later one said it was a > MacBook Pro.) There are two versions of the DVI adapter; the > dual-link one costs more. Recent high-end Radeon and NVidia video cards tend to come with DisplayPort, too. -dsr- -- http://tao.merseine.nu/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference. You can't fight for freedom by taking away rights. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
On 8/7/2011 12:02 PM, Glenn Hoffman wrote: I use a Mac Pro as my principle coding machine and am looking for a good, large, DVI monitor for it. Any suggestions? If you want the highest resolution monitor you can get (leaving out the old IBM ultra-high-definition one that was only 21" and really meant for medical imaging rather than general use), pretty much any of the 30" ones are good if you can still find one. That includes Apple's old Cinema HD Display; they don't make them any more. (They're a victim of the manufacturing shift from 16:10 panels to 16:9 panels because the HDTV industry wants the latter aspect ratio.) HP's similar product is also gone, but Dell still makes one: the Dell UltraSharp U3011. At that size and price class, nobody makes cheap displays in either sense of the word. Those displays are 2560x1600. Moving slightly down in size, the new 27" Apple display is nice but pricey; it's higher resolution than the usual 24" or smaller display but doesn't show quite as many pixels as the old Cinema HD. It will consume a lot less power because of the LED backlight. Make sure not to get the Thunderbolt Display; that only works with new Macs that have that port. Dell has a comparable product at the same $1000 price. These are 2560x1440. Stepping down another notch, there are a few 1920x1200 24" displays still around, and lots of 1920x1080 displays in all sizes. Paying more tends to get you wider viewing angles, better color accuracy, faster pixel response, and/or LED backlighting. If you want an physically larger display, DVI, DisplayPort, and HDMI use compatible signalling for video. (HDMI can also carry audio.) All you need is a cable adapter to go from one to the other, and then you can hook up the HDTV of your choice. Monitors bigger than 1920x1200 will need a dual-link DVI connection if they don't have a DisplayPort input (which means pretty much anybody other than Apple), so make sure to get the dual-link DVI adapter for your MacBook Pro. (The first message said a Mac Pro which would be a desktop system but a later one said it was a MacBook Pro.) There are two versions of the DVI adapter; the dual-link one costs more. There are also adapters to go from Thunderbolt to DVI, so the monitor won't be wasted if you later upgrade to a newer Mac. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] [OT] Apple is the AOL of consumer electronics
On Aug 7, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Tom Metro wrote: > > I had the thought that Apple is the AOL of consumer electronics. Sure > enough, not an original thought. Google finds, "Apple is the new AOL > because of iPad, which offers a safe, easy way to consume content > without venturing out onto the vast Information Superhighway."[1] (And > deeper analysis in the latter half of this blog posting[2].) Apple isn't the new AOL although it is easy to make that comparison. The logic is deeply flawed, however, just as comparing Apple to Microsoft is flawed. Apple is neither hardware vendor nor software vendor, nor is it a service vendor despite selling hardware, software and services. Apple is, as I've pointed out several times in the past, a user experience vendor. It sells The Apple Experience. The hardware, software and services are the packing used to deliver that experience. Apple has no serious competition at this time. Google and Microsoft are the most obvious contenders but neither are actually competing with Apple on the same field. Google is a services company and Microsoft is a software company. That said, Microsoft has started to figure it out. First with the hiring of dedicated UI people to work on Vista and Windows 7 and to further refine that work in Windows 8. Second with the genuinely cross-platform Windows 8 with its single developer path for multiple devices. This last is going to be very painful for both Microsoft and .NET developers alike but it needs to happen. Apple went through something similar twice in recent years, with the transition from OS 9 to OS X and then the transition from PowerPC to Intel. Google isn't even trying to compete with Apple. You can see it in the applications. The most obvious thing about OS X applications is that they all look and act consistently. The same goes for iOS applications. I haven't seen any two different Google applications or services that do that. Google Mail and Google Reader should be practically indistinguishable from each other, but they're not. Google+ looks and acts like yet another completely different code base. And that's not even looking at the "diversity" in Google's own Android applications. It is, quite frankly, an unholy mess. Not that everything is rosy for Apple. While The Steve has a 10-year head start over Microsoft in the experience department, Google is at least 5 years ahead of Apple in on-line services, and it shows. OS X Lion has been called the big step in the convergence of OS X and iOS. It is this, but this isn't the biggest change. Lion marks the shift from Macintosh as the digital hub, the core of Apple's strategy for the last decade, to the cloud, where Google and Amazon excel. At the end, it is not a matter of picking a side. It is a matter of picking hardware-software-service or user experience. --Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[Discuss] [OT] Apple is the AOL of consumer electronics
I had the thought that Apple is the AOL of consumer electronics. Sure enough, not an original thought. Google finds, "Apple is the new AOL because of iPad, which offers a safe, easy way to consume content without venturing out onto the vast Information Superhighway."[1] (And deeper analysis in the latter half of this blog posting[2].) 1. http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-is-the-new-AOL-and-new-Microsoft-and-whoa-that-cant-be-a-good-thing/1275406379 2. http://battellemedia.com/archives/2010/05/is_the_ipad_a_disappointment_depends_when_you_sold_your_aol_stock.php Anyway, my thought wasn't limited to the iPad and not quite as literal as these comparisons between AOL's restricted information sources and the similar restricted information sources on some Apple devices. (The latter article makes the comparison that you can't deep link between iOS apps. and it was this very lack of linking with the broader world that was AOL's downfall.) It was more along the lines of how those of us who knew the Internet, and not Compuserve or AOL, was going to be the future, avoided AOL, even if it offered some short term ease-of-use advantages. I raise the point not for the purpose of Apple bashing, but instead to ask the question, do these long term bets pay off for those of us who bet on the "winning" side? What if we are right, and the phone and tablet markets do evolve into something that more closely resembles Android, or perhaps even more open, like the PC market (was), what do we gain by avoiding the long term losers in the short term? You can argue that it is better for the market, and expedites reaching the desired end-state, by investing in the long term solution, rather than the easy short term solution, but that isn't necessarily in one's best self-interest in the near term. On the other hand, avoiding a siloed environment does potentially reduce frustration, if you are the type of person who wants to be able to do anything with the hardware you own, even at the price of using a less polished end-product. -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA "Enterprise solutions through open source." Professional Profile: http://tmetro.venturelogic.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Rajiv Aaron Manglani wrote: > > i love my 24" hp zr24w. hp also makes a 30" model, the zr30w. both have > mate-finish s-ips panels which have great uniformity, viewing angles, and > color reproduction. the apple displays use similar panels, and have a glossy > finish. As a data point: Dell also uses the same panels that Apple uses. This does not mean that you will see exactly the same thing if you put them side by side -- because you won't. On the other hand, if you aren't doing professional work on it then you probably don't care. --Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
On Aug 7, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Glenn Hoffman wrote: > I use a Mac Pro as my principle coding machine and am looking for a good, > large, DVI monitor for it. Any suggestions? i love my 24" hp zr24w. hp also makes a 30" model, the zr30w. both have mate-finish s-ips panels which have great uniformity, viewing angles, and color reproduction. the apple displays use similar panels, and have a glossy finish. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Power consumption
Scott Ehrlich wrote: > The [stb from Verizon], surprisingly, whether Powered "on" > or "off" maintained 15 watts continuous. Were you inspired by one of the articles on this that made the rounds a few months ago? Our Set-Top Boxes Suck Up $3 Billion In Energy Every Year http://gizmodo.com/5812142/our-dvrs-and-cable-boxes-suck-up-3-billion-in-energy-every-year ...the 160 million set-top boxes installed in 80% of American homes consume more than $3 billion in annual power costs. Mostly from after we turn them off. [Natural Resources Defense Council study said,] "In 2010, set-top boxes in the United States consumed approximately 27 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity, which is equivalent to the annual output of nine average (500 MW) coal-fired power plants." ..consider that a recent model HD-DVR consumes more power than an Energy Star-certified 42" LCD screen and consumes more than half the power of your new household refrigerator. Jack Coats wrote: > My guess is that the strip really contains a GFI. They normally consume > 1 to 3 watts. Leakage through the line filter[1] used to suppress transient voltages is more probable than a GFI on a common power strip. (Most mid-range power strips contain some sort of filtering. Rarely do they have a GFI.) The filtering circuit contains components like capacitors that are placed across the line. 1. http://www.cor.com/Series/PEM/C/ (see Electrical Schematics) -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA "Enterprise solutions through open source." Professional Profile: http://tmetro.venturelogic.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
On Aug 7, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Glenn Hoffman wrote: > > I use a Mac Pro as my principle coding machine and am looking for a good, > large, DVI monitor for it. Any suggestions? Depends. Are you doing professional work where things like Pantone color matching matters? If so then get the Apple Cinema Display. That's what it's made for -- and why it costs so much. If not then any reasonably priced Samsung or ViewSonic should work just fine. --Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Scott Ehrlich wrote: > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Matt Shields wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Glenn Hoffman > wrote: > > > >> I use a Mac Pro as my principle coding machine and am looking for a > good, > >> large, DVI monitor for it. Any suggestions? > >> > >> Glenn > >> ___ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> Discuss@blu.org > >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > > > > If you can afford it, go with the 27" Apple Cinema Display. You won't > > regret it. I've had one for 6 months and it's amazing, now just need to > > save up enough to buy one for my home office. > > > > Displayport or dual-link DVI for the full resolution? > > Scott > > > Matthew Shields > > Owner > > BeanTown Host - Web Hosting, Domain Names, Dedicated Servers, Colocation, > > Managed Services > > www.beantownhost.com > > www.sysadminvalley.com > > www.jeeprally.com > > ___ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@blu.org > > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > I'm using displayport to my MBP Matthew Shields Owner BeanTown Host - Web Hosting, Domain Names, Dedicated Servers, Colocation, Managed Services www.beantownhost.com www.sysadminvalley.com www.jeeprally.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Matt Shields wrote: > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Glenn Hoffman wrote: > >> I use a Mac Pro as my principle coding machine and am looking for a good, >> large, DVI monitor for it. Any suggestions? >> >> Glenn >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@blu.org >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > If you can afford it, go with the 27" Apple Cinema Display. You won't > regret it. I've had one for 6 months and it's amazing, now just need to > save up enough to buy one for my home office. > Displayport or dual-link DVI for the full resolution? Scott > Matthew Shields > Owner > BeanTown Host - Web Hosting, Domain Names, Dedicated Servers, Colocation, > Managed Services > www.beantownhost.com > www.sysadminvalley.com > www.jeeprally.com > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Large DVI monitor
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Glenn Hoffman wrote: > I use a Mac Pro as my principle coding machine and am looking for a good, > large, DVI monitor for it. Any suggestions? > > Glenn > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > If you can afford it, go with the 27" Apple Cinema Display. You won't regret it. I've had one for 6 months and it's amazing, now just need to save up enough to buy one for my home office. Matthew Shields Owner BeanTown Host - Web Hosting, Domain Names, Dedicated Servers, Colocation, Managed Services www.beantownhost.com www.sysadminvalley.com www.jeeprally.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[Discuss] Large DVI monitor
I use a Mac Pro as my principle coding machine and am looking for a good, large, DVI monitor for it. Any suggestions? Glenn ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Power consumption
My guess is that the strip really contains a GFI. They normally consume 1 to 3 watts. We normally think of GFI outlets keeping us safe outdoors or in possibly wet areas (kitchen, bathroom, near exterior windows), but the convenience they provide does come at a continuing cost. ><> ... Jack They are plugged into a power strip.The strip, when turned off, > consumes just 1 watt. Not sure why, but I can live with that compared > to 20 watts. > > Scott > ___ > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[Discuss] Power consumption
We learn something new every day - I just installed another stb from Verizon for our FIOS. I picked up the DCT700 (wedge-shaped) box, and wanted to measure its power consumption. It is connected to an "older" tube tv (13 inch) but still works well. Using my kill-o-watt: The tv drew an average of 58 - 70 watts at any given time while on, and 5 watts standby (or "off"). The dct700, surprisingly, whether Powered "on" or "off" maintained 15 watts continuous. In summary, with the tv "off", both devices consumed a total of 20 watts continuous. They are plugged into a power strip.The strip, when turned off, consumes just 1 watt. Not sure why, but I can live with that compared to 20 watts. Scott ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
