Re: [Discuss] Cross platform Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware
Hello all, I have used both ClamAV and Sophos on my Linux Distros. Sophos on my Windows clients. ClamAV is Opensource. But Sophos is a purchased license. Paul Piva On Friday, May 29, 2015 10:18 AM, Bruce Wolfeld wrote: I just installed the Kaspersky software. So far it seems to be working and is not intrusive on my other activities. I would like to say that my choice was the result of exhaustive research but in reality NewEgg was offering a deal of $15 for a three user license. Best, Bruce Sent from my iPhone Please excuse any spelling errors Bruce Wolfeld 617-901-5662 > On May 29, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Matt Shields wrote: > > I'm fishing for what others are using for anti-virus/anti-malware on their > Windows and Linux servers. Both commercial and open-source is an option. > > Matt > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] astronomy suggestions?
As far as Astronomy applications go, I would recommend Celestia. It's free, open source and runs on multiple OS platforms. http://www.celestiamotherlode.net/ ~Paul --- On Sun, 7/15/12, Eric Chadbourne wrote: From: Eric Chadbourne Subject: [Discuss] astronomy suggestions? To: "BLU" Date: Sunday, July 15, 2012, 5:31 PM Hi All, I'm looking for a new hobby and astronomy looks perfect. Low entry barrier, amateurs can actually assist real scientists and it's fascinating. I just downloaded stellarium and omg is it excellent. Works great on my terribly under powered laptop with an amd c-50 cpu. Any astronomy geeks on the list? If yes what software do you like? Any local groups you suggest? Thanks, Eric "All mass is interaction." Richard Feynman ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for work
David, I just turned down a Linux position in Cambridge, because I am currently employed. I was approached by a recruiter on Linkedin. Drop me a line at ninurta2...@yahoo.com when you have time. If you have a Linkedin account, I can get it to the recruiter. Regards, Paul --- On Thu, 6/28/12, David Kramer wrote: From: David Kramer Subject: Re: [Discuss] Looking for work To: discuss@blu.org Date: Thursday, June 28, 2012, 11:47 PM On 06/28/2012 10:20 AM, Jay Kramer wrote: > BLU members, > > Due to a downturn of billable work at my present place of employment, > I am on very reduced work schedule and looking to supplement my income > until things pick up. I am a long time Linux user with web and > programming experience. If you have a little extra work on your hands > and would like some help please contact me. I will consider all > offers. > > Thanks in advance for considering my request and I apologize if I am > out of line for posting to BLU's listserv. You will have a lot better odds of getting help if you tell people what you can do and what kind of job you're looking for. "Web and programming experience" can mean anything between "HTML with a bit of JavaScript" to "Developed multi-tier enterprise website using J2EE/Spring/Hibernate". Also, BLU has a separate list, position-availa...@blu.org, for jobs. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Las Vegas firm buys Unix...
Thank you everyone who have been offering their opinion and intepretation on this. I had been following the SCO case off and on for a number of years. But based, on what I have been reading from you folks, there is more than meets the eye on this. And there may yet be more repercussions regarding this purchase. Thanks again, Paul From: Richard Pieri To: blug Unix Sent: Fri, April 15, 2011 9:57:44 AM Subject: Re: Las Vegas firm buys Unix... On Apr 15, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > > It does. We still have to wait for the 10th Circuit to hear and rule on > SCO's second appeal. Do we? UnXis claims that it acquired all of SCO's assets and intellectual properties. The new company claims ownership of the UNIX and UNIXWARE trademarks: > Under the sale terms, UnXis retains all customer contracts, the rights to the >UNIX and UNIXWARE trademarks and installed base of over 32,000 customer >contracts in 82 countries, including major enterprise customers in finance, >manufacturing, retail, quick-serve restaurants, consumer electronics and state >and federal government. http://www.unxisco.com/2011/04/11/unxis-completes-purchase-of-sco-unix-assets/ This is, of course, wrong. These are owned by The Open Group. So, what is really going on? It looks to me like UnXis is gearing up for another round. Never mind the blatant lies elsewhere in the company FAQ, like how UNIX is entirely closed source. --Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Las Vegas firm buys Unix...
Interesting story; great catch. I wonder what if any, any impact or licensing changes to the folks using Solaris, IBM, or HP versions of Unix. From: "edwa...@linuxmail.org" To: discuss@blu.org Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 5:43:03 PM Subject: Las Vegas firm buys Unix... http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Las-Vegas-company-buys-Unix-apf-2422952490.html?x=0&.v=2 ...from a bankrupt Utah company. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Your View on DPI
The U.S. Federal Governments potential use of Einstein 3 which includes deep packet inspection, would certainly qualify as a example. http://epic.org/privacy/dpi/ Regards Paul Piva From: Paul Courchene To: discuss@blu.org Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 1:15:22 PM Subject: Re: Your View on DPI Hi, While I share the general view that Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) is unfair in some regards, it may have legitimate use in Traffic Management, Routing etc. I can't help but believe that Big Brother (National Security Agency) has a lot of people dedicated to DPI, like it or not ... -paulc Quoting Derek Martin : > First off, for those of us not in the know, what's DPI? The > only meaning of that acronym I know is dots per inch. A quick google > search doesn't turn up anything obviously relevant. > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 07:56:07PM -0500, Tom Martinson wrote: > > 1. As a user, I find them reprehensible. In no way should anyone be > > able to see my data traffic, > > That's just crazy. Unless you're using encryption to prevent it. > Your analogy with the post office is a bad one... unless you want to > extend it a bit. Data that's not encrypted is like sending a post > card. Encryption is the equivalent of an envelope. You don't have to > agree, but in practical terms, that's just the way it is. > > > and decide for me that my Hulu download should have a lower priority > > than my email traffic, or vice versa. > > While I agree in principle, that also is kind of crazy. QoS and other > schemes for throttling bandwidth are essential mechanisms for ensuring > that end users get a reasonable internet experience. Streaming video > packets, in general, SHOULD have a higher priority than e-mail > traffic, so that you don't experience skips and such just because your > e-mail client is downloading an e-mail with a huge attachment while > you're watching, etc. > > > Also it is not right for someone to have the ability and the need to > > "inspect" my packets and do with them as they wish, (I think that > > everyone remembers all those ACK resets to fight P2P traffic). > > I agree to an extent... That is, I agree literally with your > statement. But, they should be able to inspect your packets, because > the packets are going over their hardware to get to you... and they > should be able to make decisions about how to forward those packets > based on the contents, so long as it is for the benefit of their > customers. > > My understanding is that the post office can and does inspect and even > x-ray packages it deems suspicious, or otherwise appropriate to > inspect. > > > DPI was also used by NebUadd to identify advertisements and then > > substitute in what they want to put in. This screams in the face of > > privacy issues. > > If this is true, it does seem pretty unacceptable. But not for > privacy reasons... there's no personally identifying information in > an ad (at least, not normally). It's more unacceptable because > someone paid for that traffic to get to the recipient, and the > recipient may even have specifically wanted it (though, if it really > was an ad, that seems unlikely). > > -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 > -=-=-=-=- > This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will > result in > undeliverable mail due to spam prevention. Sorry for the inconvenience. > -- paulc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OT] Interesting Windows IP issue
There is one other suggestion I wanted to add to this thread. If it will be worth the effort, try running Wireshark on this host. It may help to answer what the host is trying to do or even it is trying to grab the proper Internal Lan-10 address. If you see some strange DHCP handshaking activity, it will help to answer what is taking place and assist you if this occurs again in the future. Best Regards Paul From: Jerry Feldman To: discuss@blu.org Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 7:43:34 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting Windows IP issue On 01/23/2011 02:23 AM, David Kramer wrote: > On 01/22/2011 03:32 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: >> On 01/22/2011 03:21 PM, Mark Komarinski wrote: >>> On 1/22/2011 10:30 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Yesterday at work, one of my coworkers wanted to make a presentation from his company laptop (Windows XP). For some reason his IP address was showing 192.168.x.x, not the internal company 10. address. I used my Ubuntu netbook to make sure the CAT5E cable was ok, and I certainly got a valid 10. address. We moved to another office because the lighting was better, and the same thing. We even rebooted his computer. Somehow it wanted to remain at 192.168. Our cables are plugged directly into a switch that plugs into our firewall. After a while we finally got the thing up and running on the corporate network. Note that I had even done a IPCONFIG /release and IPCONFIG /renew. I've seen this before on his previous laptop. Apparently he does something at home, but when I look at properties it shows DHCP. >>> Use ipconfig /all to verify that a lease is actually getting assigned. >>> If it is, you may have a rogue DHCP server on your hands. >> This has happened before on his previous laptop. I think it has to do >> with the way he configured it. No one else has the same problem. > OK, here's a crazy theory. Windows sometimes tries to "bridge" ethernet > devices so they look as one device, whether you're using wireless or > wired. Maybe it does this via its own nat? > Could be. I didn't have the time to sit down any analyze. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OT] Interesting Windows IP issue
From: ninurta2005 To: Mark Komarinski Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 3:51:15 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting Windows IP issue A rogue DHCP server crossed my mine too. It was odd that under Linux, it grabbed a IP address from the Lan-10 subnet, but under Windows, it went with a address from the 192.168.xxx.xxx subnet; I am guessing using the same Ethernet cable. As a rule, you can't have DHCP addresses issued from two different private address range subnets on the same ethernet cable via the same subnet. Since Cat5E was mentioned, I suspected that it wasn't getting a wireless IP. Laptops will have two ethernet connections, one for wireless and one for cabled Ethernet. Disable the wireless radio to be sure, it is only way to assure the host is receiving a wired DHCP request response. If you have a testbed that is also using the Lan-10 Private range, attach the laptop to that network and see if the problem follows the laptop. I created one using Openwall with DHCP enabled. Ditto for IPCOP and Smoothwall which works just as well. Best of luck, Paul From: Mark Komarinski To: discuss@blu.org Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 3:21:01 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting Windows IP issue On 1/22/2011 10:30 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > Yesterday at work, one of my coworkers wanted to make a presentation > from his company laptop (Windows XP). For some reason his IP address was > showing 192.168.x.x, not the internal company 10. address. I used my > Ubuntu netbook to make sure the CAT5E cable was ok, and I certainly got > a valid 10. address. We moved to another office because the lighting was > better, and the same thing. We even rebooted his computer. Somehow it > wanted to remain at 192.168. Our cables are plugged directly into a > switch that plugs into our firewall. After a while we finally got the > thing up and running on the corporate network. Note that I had even done > a IPCONFIG /release and IPCONFIG /renew. I've seen this before on his > previous laptop. Apparently he does something at home, but when I look > at properties it shows DHCP. > Use ipconfig /all to verify that a lease is actually getting assigned. If it is, you may have a rogue DHCP server on your hands. -Mark ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OT] Interesting Windows IP issue
That is really odd. Usually, when a network card is unable to obtain a DHCP address, it defaults to a 169.xxx.xxx.xxx, which is Microsoft's default. I have seen similar behavior with DHCP at work, where the host has a IP address issued by DHCP, but it is conflicting with another node on the network with the same address. And the host refuses to release the address. One place to search is for the Assigned IP is under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\..\Parameters\TCPIP. Hit F3 again. There is another Registry Entry storing it under the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\TCPIP\Parameters\Interfaces\.. Hit F3 again and repeat above. You may be able to remove the key under Services where the IP address is stored and attempt to do a IPCONFIG/Release and Renew. Microsoft tends to store stuff under multiple locations. Good luck. Paul From: Jerry Feldman To: Boston Linux and Unix Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 10:30:00 AM Subject: [OT] Interesting Windows IP issue Yesterday at work, one of my coworkers wanted to make a presentation from his company laptop (Windows XP). For some reason his IP address was showing 192.168.x.x, not the internal company 10. address. I used my Ubuntu netbook to make sure the CAT5E cable was ok, and I certainly got a valid 10. address. We moved to another office because the lighting was better, and the same thing. We even rebooted his computer. Somehow it wanted to remain at 192.168. Our cables are plugged directly into a switch that plugs into our firewall. After a while we finally got the thing up and running on the corporate network. Note that I had even done a IPCONFIG /release and IPCONFIG /renew. I've seen this before on his previous laptop. Apparently he does something at home, but when I look at properties it shows DHCP. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line
This could be useful to us too, if you can get it to work. We had a slightly different scenerio. We recently had VM crash on us and it took out all of the VM instances. We wound up having to restart the server. We couldn't be entirely sure if it was VM or the OS hiccuping on us, and taking out network connectivity. In our case, the Web GUI console was available locally, but it showed that none of the VM hosts were active. We were unable to start them. Stopping and restarting the VM Daemon didn't seem to help from the console. Plus we were also unable to connect to the host remotely and no ping reply; so we knew that network interface flaked out too. Regards From: Jerry Feldman Cc: discuss@blu.org Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 10:48:11 AM Subject: Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line After going to the knowledge base, there is a command, vmrun: vmrun -T server -h https://:8333/sdk -u root -p ".vmx" I have not gotten that to run yet. VMWare documentation is inconsistent in that it specifies the port as above, and in other places uses the -P option. On 01/19/2011 03:34 PM, ninurta2005 wrote: > I check with some of the folks I work with for a solution. We have a > instance of VMWare on Ubuntu. He said the following when I asked the > same question as you. > > > "Not that I’m aware of. When a VM is running under linux it will lock > the image in /etc/init.d/ to prevent any data loss and security > concerns. VMware recommends that if need to you should restart the VM > using the web management console. " > > > > > *From:* Jim Gasek > *To:* Jerry Feldman > *Cc:* discuss@blu.org > *Sent:* Wed, January 19, 2011 2:26:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS > (Linux) command line > > What do u mean "The server GUI"? The console on the actual > server itself? The GUI front end from the actual VM server > is very limited. I don't believe you can "break out" > into a "shell". If your server screen "goes dark" (?), the > usual way that you connect to everything is vsphere client, > and all the powerful stuff happens from the client > sending messages to the server. The server isn't > meant to be a console. The console is from elsewhere > over the network. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line
On the same thought, If you have a dead GUI locally or unable to access the VMware web interface, does anyone know if Webmin supports managing Vmware. If the web interface for webmin is working, maybe you connect to the host remotely and restart VMWare or it's instances in that manner. It would provide a backup to accessing the server. Paul From: ninurta2005 To: Jim Gasek ; Jerry Feldman Cc: discuss@blu.org Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 3:34:42 PM Subject: Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line I check with some of the folks I work with for a solution. We have a instance of VMWare on Ubuntu. He said the following when I asked the same question as you. "Not that I’m aware of. When a VM is running under linux it will lock the image in /etc/init.d/ to prevent any data loss and security concerns. VMware recommends that if need to you should restart the VM using the web management console. " Hope this helps. Paul From: Jim Gasek To: Jerry Feldman Cc: discuss@blu.org Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 2:26:21 PM Subject: Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line What do u mean "The server GUI"? The console on the actual server itself? The GUI front end from the actual VM server is very limited. I don't believe you can "break out" into a "shell". If your server screen "goes dark" (?), the usual way that you connect to everything is vsphere client, and all the powerful stuff happens from the client sending messages to the server. The server isn't meant to be a console. The console is from elsewhere over the network. Thanks, Jim Gasek --- g...@blu.org wrote: From: Jerry Feldman To: Boston Linux and Unix Subject: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:17:20 -0500 We are running VMWare server for the time being until we get our dedicated system. This morning we had trouble bring up the server GUI requiring us to shutdown all VMs that were running, and simply restart vmware (service vmware restart). My question is how does one start a VM directly from the command line. I saw some documentation that referenced vmware-cmd, but we don't have that installed. The issue for us is that we do have one VM that provides some services, and whoever is using those services has to shut down so we can stop vmware and restart it which is what I just did. Unfortunately there is a known bug so we can't use firefox. The website is https://hostname:8333/ui/. So, even if the UI is not working I'd like to be able to manually start and stop a VM from the command line. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line
On the same thought, If you have a dead GUI locally or unable to access the VMware web interface, does anyone know if Webmin supports managing Vmware. If the web interface for webmin is working, maybe you connect to the host remotely and restart VMWare or it's instances in that manner. It would provide a backup to accessing the server. Paul From: ninurta2005 To: Jim Gasek ; Jerry Feldman Cc: discuss@blu.org Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 3:34:42 PM Subject: Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line I check with some of the folks I work with for a solution. We have a instance of VMWare on Ubuntu. He said the following when I asked the same question as you. "Not that I’m aware of. When a VM is running under linux it will lock the image in /etc/init.d/ to prevent any data loss and security concerns. VMware recommends that if need to you should restart the VM using the web management console. " Hope this helps. Paul From: Jim Gasek To: Jerry Feldman Cc: discuss@blu.org Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 2:26:21 PM Subject: Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line What do u mean "The server GUI"? The console on the actual server itself? The GUI front end from the actual VM server is very limited. I don't believe you can "break out" into a "shell". If your server screen "goes dark" (?), the usual way that you connect to everything is vsphere client, and all the powerful stuff happens from the client sending messages to the server. The server isn't meant to be a console. The console is from elsewhere over the network. Thanks, Jim Gasek --- g...@blu.org wrote: From: Jerry Feldman To: Boston Linux and Unix Subject: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:17:20 -0500 We are running VMWare server for the time being until we get our dedicated system. This morning we had trouble bring up the server GUI requiring us to shutdown all VMs that were running, and simply restart vmware (service vmware restart). My question is how does one start a VM directly from the command line. I saw some documentation that referenced vmware-cmd, but we don't have that installed. The issue for us is that we do have one VM that provides some services, and whoever is using those services has to shut down so we can stop vmware and restart it which is what I just did. Unfortunately there is a known bug so we can't use firefox. The website is https://hostname:8333/ui/. So, even if the UI is not working I'd like to be able to manually start and stop a VM from the command line. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line
I check with some of the folks I work with for a solution. We have a instance of VMWare on Ubuntu. He said the following when I asked the same question as you. "Not that I’m aware of. When a VM is running under linux it will lock the image in /etc/init.d/ to prevent any data loss and security concerns. VMware recommends that if need to you should restart the VM using the web management console. " Hope this helps. Paul From: Jim Gasek To: Jerry Feldman Cc: discuss@blu.org Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 2:26:21 PM Subject: Re: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line What do u mean "The server GUI"? The console on the actual server itself? The GUI front end from the actual VM server is very limited. I don't believe you can "break out" into a "shell". If your server screen "goes dark" (?), the usual way that you connect to everything is vsphere client, and all the powerful stuff happens from the client sending messages to the server. The server isn't meant to be a console. The console is from elsewhere over the network. Thanks, Jim Gasek --- g...@blu.org wrote: From: Jerry Feldman To: Boston Linux and Unix Subject: VMWare server question staring a VM from the Host OS (Linux) command line Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:17:20 -0500 We are running VMWare server for the time being until we get our dedicated system. This morning we had trouble bring up the server GUI requiring us to shutdown all VMs that were running, and simply restart vmware (service vmware restart). My question is how does one start a VM directly from the command line. I saw some documentation that referenced vmware-cmd, but we don't have that installed. The issue for us is that we do have one VM that provides some services, and whoever is using those services has to shut down so we can stop vmware and restart it which is what I just did. Unfortunately there is a known bug so we can't use firefox. The website is https://hostname:8333/ui/. So, even if the UI is not working I'd like to be able to manually start and stop a VM from the command line. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
