Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[Jerry Feldman]

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On Sep 2, 2016 6:28 PM, <edwa...@linuxmail.org> wrote:

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 18:36:16 -0400 From: David Rosenstrauch <
> dar...@darose.net> To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] GPG
> encryption and gmail Message-ID:  fbd3...@darose.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8;
> format=flowed On 09/01/2016 06:01 PM, edwa...@linuxmail.org wrote:
>
>> I would not recommend K-9. I found that it would repeatedly hang when
>> trying to connect to either the Comcast or Gmail servers, while using it
>> on multiple mobile networks. And once that occurs, a manual poll of any
>> other account with K-9, would not go through.
>>
>> The only way to fix (?) this, would be do a Force Stop of K-9 each time
>> it hung and relaunch the app.
>>
> I've used k-9 with gmail for years - as well as with my work email (MS
> exchange server) and my home server email (exim/dovecot) - with no
> issues.  Not criticizing, just providing another data point.
>
> DR
>


K-9 worked perfectly a few years back, not known what had changed since
then. But it clearly shouldn't hang the way it does.


I've looked at other e-mail apps and really haven't found one yet that
suits my needs. The one I'm using currently (mail.com), by default, sends
e-mails as text/html, which I learned the BLU list server blocks, if I
understood Jerry correctly.



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Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[edwardp]

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 18:36:16 -0400 From: David Rosenstrauch 
<dar...@darose.net> To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] GPG 
encryption and gmail Message-ID: 
<ef8ff476-49d3-fb76-4342-ade5efbd3...@darose.net> Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 09/01/2016 06:01 PM, 
edwa...@linuxmail.org wrote:

I would not recommend K-9. I found that it would repeatedly hang when
trying to connect to either the Comcast or Gmail servers, while using it
on multiple mobile networks. And once that occurs, a manual poll of any
other account with K-9, would not go through.

The only way to fix (?) this, would be do a Force Stop of K-9 each time
it hung and relaunch the app.

I've used k-9 with gmail for years - as well as with my work email (MS
exchange server) and my home server email (exim/dovecot) - with no
issues.  Not criticizing, just providing another data point.

DR



K-9 worked perfectly a few years back, not known what had changed since 
then. But it clearly shouldn't hang the way it does.



I've looked at other e-mail apps and really haven't found one yet that 
suits my needs. The one I'm using currently (mail.com), by default, 
sends e-mails as text/html, which I learned the BLU list server blocks, 
if I understood Jerry correctly.



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Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[David Rosenstrauch]

On 09/01/2016 06:01 PM, edwa...@linuxmail.org wrote:

I would not recommend K-9. I found that it would repeatedly hang when
trying to connect to either the Comcast or Gmail servers, while using it
on multiple mobile networks. And once that occurs, a manual poll of any
other account with K-9, would not go through.

The only way to fix (?) this, would be do a Force Stop of K-9 each time
it hung and relaunch the app.


I've used k-9 with gmail for years - as well as with my work email (MS 
exchange server) and my home server email (exim/dovecot) - with no 
issues.  Not criticizing, just providing another data point.


DR
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Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[edwardp]

I would not recommend K-9. I found that it would repeatedly hang when 
trying to connect to either the Comcast or Gmail servers, while using it 
on multiple mobile networks. And once that occurs, a manual poll of any 
other account with K-9, would not go through.


The only way to fix (?) this, would be do a Force Stop of K-9 each time 
it hung and relaunch the app.


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Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[Benjamin Carr]

OH, I agree, which is why the new key, but it turns out GPG injection is
possible, so someone could do it. Yeah, he¹s trying to starup, but it¹s
not like open sourcing thing have help ed in the end see *racle.

Anyway, Yes, Thunderbird has support on desktop. GPG Suite plugs in a
bunch. I still don¹t understand why chromium doesn¹t support plugins at
all.
-Ben

On 8/31/16, 11:14 PM, "Discuss on behalf of Kent Borg"

wrote:

>On 08/31/2016 11:04 PM, Ben Carr wrote:
>> It does GPG injection of Outlook and Google, the dev is also SUPER SUPER
>> responsive, thought not open to relicensing the code.
>
>Which doesn't very open source.
>
>-kb, the Kent who sees little reason to trust security code that no is
>supposed to look at.
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Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[Kent Borg]

On 08/31/2016 11:04 PM, Ben Carr wrote:

It does GPG injection of Outlook and Google, the dev is also SUPER SUPER
responsive, thought not open to relicensing the code.


Which doesn't very open source.

-kb, the Kent who sees little reason to trust security code that no is 
supposed to look at.


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Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[Ben Carr]

There is another option, not sure I feel about it, I generated a new key to
test:

ExtensionJumble Email Encryption
offered by https://www.jumble.io
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/jumble-email-encryption/fjiggkonckoakfpobglkbckakfgcnidh?hl=en

It does GPG injection of Outlook and Google, the dev is also SUPER SUPER
responsive, thought not open to relicensing the code.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Kent Borg  wrote:

> On 08/31/2016 07:58 PM, Rich Pieri wrote:
>
>> Actually, I suggest not using Android at all in this capacity. Android
>> is not a secure, reliable platform.
>>
>
> Good point.
>
> I don't dare use Android for anything sensitive, it is too big a target,
> too weakly secured. I use NO Android banking apps.  (Were I an Apple type,
> same answer.)
>
> Actually, I do use a cheap and very off-brand Android phone for sensitive
> stuff--but I keep it /incommunicado/. I have never put a SIM in it (it came
> from Hong Kong, it is all international, it has two SIM slots!). I have
> never let it connect to the internet. So I don't need to trust it so much.
>
> But my daily phone and Nexus 7 tablet? No way I will type any sensitive
> passwords on either of them.
>
> My e-mail? Not so sensitive. I don't bother to encrypt messages.
>
> If I had really sensitive e-mail, how would I do that? An interesting
> question. It would depend on the details: What am I doing that is so damn
> special and who might be after it? How hard might they try? How much money
> do they have to spend, how good is the sound proofing where they keep the
> $5 wrenches (https://xkcd.com/538/)?
>
> There is a general-purpose good reason to encrypt e-mail: to make life
> harder for the spies. More encrypted traffic means more inaccessible hay
> for them to stack up in frustration.
>
> -kb
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Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[Kent Borg]

On 08/31/2016 07:58 PM, Rich Pieri wrote:

Actually, I suggest not using Android at all in this capacity. Android
is not a secure, reliable platform.


Good point.

I don't dare use Android for anything sensitive, it is too big a target, 
too weakly secured. I use NO Android banking apps.  (Were I an Apple 
type, same answer.)


Actually, I do use a cheap and very off-brand Android phone for 
sensitive stuff--but I keep it /incommunicado/. I have never put a SIM 
in it (it came from Hong Kong, it is all international, it has two SIM 
slots!). I have never let it connect to the internet. So I don't need to 
trust it so much.


But my daily phone and Nexus 7 tablet? No way I will type any sensitive 
passwords on either of them.


My e-mail? Not so sensitive. I don't bother to encrypt messages.

If I had really sensitive e-mail, how would I do that? An interesting 
question. It would depend on the details: What am I doing that is so 
damn special and who might be after it? How hard might they try? How 
much money do they have to spend, how good is the sound proofing where 
they keep the $5 wrenches (https://xkcd.com/538/)?


There is a general-purpose good reason to encrypt e-mail: to make life 
harder for the spies. More encrypted traffic means more inaccessible hay 
for them to stack up in frustration.


-kb
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Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[Rich Pieri]

On 8/31/2016 4:05 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> I'm weaning away from Thunderbird for a few reasons, but I don't like the
> way Thunderbird handles folders with respect to gmail's labels.

That's because Gmail's labels aren't folders and don't quite act like
folders. You'll have similar quirky behavior with any IMAP client, not
just Thunderbird.

> Also, I have not looked into encrypting emails in Android yet.

K-9 Mail with OpenKeychain.

Don't use APG. It's effectively unmaintained with known security
vulnerabilities which have gone unfixed for several years.

Actually, I suggest not using Android at all in this capacity. Android
is not a secure, reliable platform.

-- 
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Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[Jerry Feldman]

AFIK, the only mail client on Android that works with APG (and a few 
others) is K-9. I did try out K-9 a few years ago but went back to the 
gmail app. It is worth another try.


On 08/31/2016 04:25 PM, Kent Borg wrote:

On 08/31/2016 04:05 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

Also, I have not looked into encrypting emails in Android yet.


I use K-9 Mail on Android a little, it doesn't do any spam filtering, 
and that gets overwhelming, so I don't use it much.


It seems willing to talk to APG for its PGP service, which I have 
installed, but haven't tried it. 


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Re: [Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[Kent Borg]

On 08/31/2016 04:05 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

Also, I have not looked into encrypting emails in Android yet.


I use K-9 Mail on Android a little, it doesn't do any spam filtering, 
and that gets overwhelming, so I don't use it much.


It seems willing to talk to APG for its PGP service, which I have 
installed, but haven't tried it.


-kb

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[Discuss] GPG encryption and gmail

[Jerry Feldman]

As we are nearing the September GPG key signing party, I was wondering if
anyone has tried out webmail packages like mailvelope and other browser
extensions for gmail.

I know that clients like Thunderbird and Evolution do it.

I'm weaning away from Thunderbird for a few reasons, but I don't like the
way Thunderbird handles folders with respect to gmail's labels.

Also, I have not looked into encrypting emails in Android yet.

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