Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
On 8/29/2014 12:33 AM, Bill Bogstad wrote: > "camp" <-- wireless --> G router <-- wired --> N router <-- wireless -> > local clients This is preferable. > "camp" <-- wireless --> G router <-- wireless --> N router <-- wireless > -> local clients This is what I suggested, using the Repeater Bridge, if wired between G and N is not feasible. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On 8/27/2014 3:06 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: > > Even better you could just connect two of the LAN ports togther > > (either with a crossover cable or if auto-MIDX is supported on either > > router that might work as well. > > Um... Bill? That's what DD-WRT's Repeater Bridge does albeit over 802.11 > instead of 802.3. > > Admittedly, I made the assumption that a wired connection between access > points did not make sense under the circumstances. If a wired connection > is indicated then I would wire as you suggest to avoid double NAT. > It's hard to discuss this without diagrams. I would prefer "camp" <-- wireless --> G router <-- wired --> N router <-- wireless -> local clients to "camp" <-- wireless --> G router <-- wireless --> N router <-- wireless -> local clients in order to conserve local wireless bandwidth in the vicinity of the G & N routers. With three different wireless connections, you can't avoid band conflict when there are only two bands. Now you can proactively control the actual channels used for the G to N and N to client wireless networks to avoid overlap, but I still prefer wired as it requires less active management. Now maybe, you are suggesting something else. Perhaps, "camp" <-- wireless --> G router <-- wireless --> local clients It sounded though like he wanted to use both the hi-gain antennas on his G router as well as the higher bandwidth for local connections of his N router. If that is truly the case then I stand by my suggestion to make the G to N connection wired (if feasible). Bill Bogstad ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
On 8/27/2014 9:44 PM, marcia wilbur wrote: > I use a tplink 3040 and openWRT. Which is fine if you can get a reliable cell signal. In re my initial quip, campgrounds are places where you are not likely to get one. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
On 8/27/2014 3:06 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: > Even better you could just connect two of the LAN ports togther > (either with a crossover cable or if auto-MIDX is supported on either > router that might work as well. Um... Bill? That's what DD-WRT's Repeater Bridge does albeit over 802.11 instead of 802.3. Admittedly, I made the assumption that a wired connection between access points did not make sense under the circumstances. If a wired connection is indicated then I would wire as you suggest to avoid double NAT. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On 8/27/2014 10:52 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: > > I don't see how to NAT from the wireless port in the G router (the one > > with the antenna) to either the LAN or WAN ports. > > You don't. Your don't HAVE to. You could do it, however, as I suggested previously by connecting a cable between the WAN port of one of the N router and a LAN port of the G router. This would, of course, result in double NATing. Even better you could just connect two of the LAN ports togther (either with a crossover cable or if auto-MIDX is supported on either router that might work as well. Turn off the DHCP server on the N router and you have effectively turned your N router into a wired/wireless bridge. All devices will get an IP from the G router and Ethernet packets should flow appropriately. You create a wireless bridge between the two access points > with DD-WRT's Repeater Bridge: > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Repeater_Bridge > > That should get you started. > I assume this if for the G to to "camp" router connection. For the G to N router connection, I would go wired if at all possible. No reason to waste wireless bandwidth if wired is available. Bill Bogstad ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
I had a similar situation several years ago at a campground in maine. While the wifi service was free, you had to register and they only allowed one connection per campsite. (I don't remember how they restricted it) So, i used my dd-wrt router in client mode and spoofed the laptop i had used to register. Then i used the lan ports to connect a couple of devices. This was before 11N, so service wasn`t the best. But, i could handle a few emergency tasks for work (yeah, i know, it's not a vacation) while the kids could play some games. If you need to hook up more devices, you could bring another dd-wrt router and attach its wan port to one of the other unit's lan ports. Someone has already suggested this. While i haven't used it in the field, i have managed to get a second router hooked up to the first to work in the man cave/dungeon/basement. HTH Good luck. On Aug 27, 2014 11:47 AM, "John Hall" wrote: > Hum, I'd search for 'wifi at camp xxx reviews', and call the camp and talk > to them about what has worked for other campers. You might find someone > with a longterm campsite to hook up with. > I would as a plan b bring a long usb teather cable for my cell and share > the connection with my laptop via wifi or route through it to a router. > Hum and a ziplock for the phone ;) > And have a plan c...not network games... some movies on disc/hd...a book. > All those wireless hops may add alot of latency. > An ipad with cellular prepaid (as it comes out of the apple store) can all > be used as a bubble and you only need to pay for that month. there is no > contract. This verizon jetpack is $80, and the plan is pre-paid. > http://www.verizonwireless.com/prepaid/prepaid-jetpack/ > > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Ipkg > The packages for dd-wrt have pretty much all the net stuff youd use on a > linux box. > I have one of these yagi outdoor pole mountable 25" yagi from amazon > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008Z4DNFC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > I am just getting a new router set up and for noe just point the yagi to > the area outside where I need it at the time. > > If you get a good line of site to your camp with the N router as bridge you > might just connect your devices to it directly and leave the G out of the > picture...I think it might degrade things if your devices do N. > I haven't, but I'm interested in your results. I also go camping and have > had to resort to getting a mifi which has a 10GB limit and I often go over. > if there was a way to do what you're doing and limit my mifi use, I'd be > interested. I'd also be interested to see if someone could accomplish with > a Raspberry Pi. > > Matt > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, wrote: > > > Here's the scenario: > > > > I like to go camping and often times they provide wireless access, but > the > > camp site is often pretty far away from the wireless access point. I have > > a long distance wireless-G router with a high gain antenna. I have a > > second wireless-N router. Both routers are running DD-WRT. > > > > > > I should be able to connect to the camp ground's wireless with the high > > gain antenna using the Wireless-G router with a DHCP assign IP address. I > > should then be able to NAT to my own local subnet and be able to connect > > the Wireless-N to my local subnet and provide access to phones, tablets, > > and laptops. > > > > If these were standard linux boxes, this would be fairly easy, but the > > standard tools don't seem available on DD-WRT's shell. > > > > Has anyone done this? Got a good link? (I have googled, but the examples > > I've found aren't quite right or don't really work.) > > > > ___ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@blu.org > > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
Just what I do for my home. ... I like the ubiquiti NanostationM2. Get a couple of them (or one as a border router). Configure one as a 'station' (as your border router, to get the signal from the campground wifi) and the other as a standard wifi router (or put another DD-WRT router here). I also configure them to use a known-good DNS (google or opendns.org) rather than depending on the supplied DNS. Some places (camp grounds included) may have captured wifi, that requires you to click/certify you will abide by their rules before they will let you out. There you might have to have a border router you can deal with that web page. I don't have a good solution for that. ... I see those pages for access at hotels and some restaurants. For those situations having a small laptop or RaspberryPi with screen as your 'border router' might be useful. On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:38 AM, wrote: > Here's the scenario: > > I like to go camping and often times they provide wireless access, but the > camp site is often pretty far away from the wireless access point. I have > a long distance wireless-G router with a high gain antenna. I have a > second wireless-N router. Both routers are running DD-WRT. > > > I should be able to connect to the camp ground's wireless with the high > gain antenna using the Wireless-G router with a DHCP assign IP address. I > should then be able to NAT to my own local subnet and be able to connect > the Wireless-N to my local subnet and provide access to phones, tablets, > and laptops. > > If these were standard linux boxes, this would be fairly easy, but the > standard tools don't seem available on DD-WRT's shell. > > Has anyone done this? Got a good link? (I have googled, but the examples > I've found aren't quite right or don't really work.) > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- ><> ... Jack "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart"... Colossians 3:23 "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate" - Henry J. Tillman "Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein "You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." - Admiral Grace Hopper, USN "a nanosecond is the time it takes electrons to propigate 11.8 inches" - " - http://youtu.be/JEpsKnWZrJ8 "Life is complex: it has a real part and an imaginary part." - Martin Terma ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
Hum, I'd search for 'wifi at camp xxx reviews', and call the camp and talk to them about what has worked for other campers. You might find someone with a longterm campsite to hook up with. I would as a plan b bring a long usb teather cable for my cell and share the connection with my laptop via wifi or route through it to a router. Hum and a ziplock for the phone ;) And have a plan c...not network games... some movies on disc/hd...a book. All those wireless hops may add alot of latency. An ipad with cellular prepaid (as it comes out of the apple store) can all be used as a bubble and you only need to pay for that month. there is no contract. This verizon jetpack is $80, and the plan is pre-paid. http://www.verizonwireless.com/prepaid/prepaid-jetpack/ http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Ipkg The packages for dd-wrt have pretty much all the net stuff youd use on a linux box. I have one of these yagi outdoor pole mountable 25" yagi from amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008Z4DNFC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I am just getting a new router set up and for noe just point the yagi to the area outside where I need it at the time. If you get a good line of site to your camp with the N router as bridge you might just connect your devices to it directly and leave the G out of the picture...I think it might degrade things if your devices do N. I haven't, but I'm interested in your results. I also go camping and have had to resort to getting a mifi which has a 10GB limit and I often go over. if there was a way to do what you're doing and limit my mifi use, I'd be interested. I'd also be interested to see if someone could accomplish with a Raspberry Pi. Matt On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, wrote: > Here's the scenario: > > I like to go camping and often times they provide wireless access, but the > camp site is often pretty far away from the wireless access point. I have > a long distance wireless-G router with a high gain antenna. I have a > second wireless-N router. Both routers are running DD-WRT. > > > I should be able to connect to the camp ground's wireless with the high > gain antenna using the Wireless-G router with a DHCP assign IP address. I > should then be able to NAT to my own local subnet and be able to connect > the Wireless-N to my local subnet and provide access to phones, tablets, > and laptops. > > If these were standard linux boxes, this would be fairly easy, but the > standard tools don't seem available on DD-WRT's shell. > > Has anyone done this? Got a good link? (I have googled, but the examples > I've found aren't quite right or don't really work.) > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
It does, except when you're the only ops guy for the company (btw not complaining, I love where I work). So even vacations mean you're still technically on call in case of emergency. I recently went to Bermuda and while our Director of Engineer could handle the day to day stuff, I took care of any alerts that would pop up. Matt On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On 8/27/2014 8:38 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: > > I should be able to connect to the camp ground's wireless with the high > > gain antenna using the Wireless-G router with a DHCP assign IP address. > > And here I thought "camping" meant getting away from things like this. > > But to address the question, you need two access points each with two > wireless network interfaces. Configure AP1 wlan1 as a client to the > site's network. Configure AP1 wlan0 as a Repeater Bridge endpoint. > Configure AP2 wlan1 as a Repeater Bridge endpoint. Configure AP2 wlan0 > as a normal access point for your devices. > > -- > Rich P. > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
On 8/27/2014 10:52 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: > I don't see how to NAT from the wireless port in the G router (the one > with the antenna) to either the LAN or WAN ports. You don't. You create a wireless bridge between the two access points with DD-WRT's Repeater Bridge: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Repeater_Bridge That should get you started. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
> On 8/27/2014 8:38 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: >> I should be able to connect to the camp ground's wireless with the high >> gain antenna using the Wireless-G router with a DHCP assign IP address. > > And here I thought "camping" meant getting away from things like this. As I was writing the post, I just KNEW someone would make a crack about camping and electronics. LOL > > But to address the question, you need two access points each with two > wireless network interfaces. Configure AP1 wlan1 as a client to the > site's network. Configure AP1 wlan0 as a Repeater Bridge endpoint. > Configure AP2 wlan1 as a Repeater Bridge endpoint. Configure AP2 wlan0 > as a normal access point for your devices. Yes, I know the basics. I could do it for two raw Linux boxes, but the facilities in DD-WRT seem a little lacking. I don't see how to NAT from the wireless port in the G router (the one with the antenna) to either the LAN or WAN ports. I also don't see how to make the DD-WRT to be a true access point. > > -- > Rich P. > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
On 8/27/2014 8:38 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: > I should be able to connect to the camp ground's wireless with the high > gain antenna using the Wireless-G router with a DHCP assign IP address. And here I thought "camping" meant getting away from things like this. But to address the question, you need two access points each with two wireless network interfaces. Configure AP1 wlan1 as a client to the site's network. Configure AP1 wlan0 as a Repeater Bridge endpoint. Configure AP2 wlan1 as a Repeater Bridge endpoint. Configure AP2 wlan0 as a normal access point for your devices. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, wrote: > Here's the scenario: > > I like to go camping and often times they provide wireless access, but the > camp site is often pretty far away from the wireless access point. I have > a long distance wireless-G router with a high gain antenna. I have a > second wireless-N router. Both routers are running DD-WRT. > > > I should be able to connect to the camp ground's wireless with the high > gain antenna using the Wireless-G router with a DHCP assign IP address. I > should then be able to NAT to my own local subnet and be able to connect > the Wireless-N to my local subnet and provide access to phones, tablets, > and laptops. > Are the wireless-G and the wireless-N routers going to be relatively close to each other? Is so, you could run an Ethernet cable from a LAN port of the G router to the WAN port of the N router. Yes, you would be running a double NATed configuration. I've been running that way for over a year now because I didn't like the signal strength phone/Internet router that Comcast provided and it has worked well enough that I haven't gotten around to getting them to put their equipment in bridge rather then NAT mode. For your local wireless devices, it would be best to make sure that your N network is running on non-overlappings channels from whatever the camp's G network is using. The above presupposes that you can get your wireless-G router to actually connect wirelessly to the camp's network. I don't use DD-WRT so I can't comment on that. Bill Bogstad ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
Perhaps of related interest http://www.engeniustech.com/business-networking/outdoor-access-points-client-bridges/16617-ens200 About $75 new, incl. shipping, on Ebay -S. On Wed, 27 Aug 2014, Cole Tuininga wrote: *chuckle* I admit that we have a different perspective of what "camping" means. :) That said, I am also interested in your results ... I have a few acres of land, and as the kids get bigger and want to build tree forts and whatnot, this sort of thing could definitely be of interest. -- Cole Tuininga Lead Developer co...@code-energy.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
*chuckle* I admit that we have a different perspective of what "camping" means. :) That said, I am also interested in your results ... I have a few acres of land, and as the kids get bigger and want to build tree forts and whatnot, this sort of thing could definitely be of interest. -- Cole Tuininga Lead Developer co...@code-energy.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
I haven't, but I'm interested in your results. I also go camping and have had to resort to getting a mifi which has a 10GB limit and I often go over. if there was a way to do what you're doing and limit my mifi use, I'd be interested. I'd also be interested to see if someone could accomplish with a Raspberry Pi. Matt On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:38 AM, wrote: > Here's the scenario: > > I like to go camping and often times they provide wireless access, but the > camp site is often pretty far away from the wireless access point. I have > a long distance wireless-G router with a high gain antenna. I have a > second wireless-N router. Both routers are running DD-WRT. > > > I should be able to connect to the camp ground's wireless with the high > gain antenna using the Wireless-G router with a DHCP assign IP address. I > should then be able to NAT to my own local subnet and be able to connect > the Wireless-N to my local subnet and provide access to phones, tablets, > and laptops. > > If these were standard linux boxes, this would be fairly easy, but the > standard tools don't seem available on DD-WRT's shell. > > Has anyone done this? Got a good link? (I have googled, but the examples > I've found aren't quite right or don't really work.) > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@blu.org > http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[Discuss] Wireless devices, 2 Wireless Routers, local network. DD-WRT
Here's the scenario: I like to go camping and often times they provide wireless access, but the camp site is often pretty far away from the wireless access point. I have a long distance wireless-G router with a high gain antenna. I have a second wireless-N router. Both routers are running DD-WRT. I should be able to connect to the camp ground's wireless with the high gain antenna using the Wireless-G router with a DHCP assign IP address. I should then be able to NAT to my own local subnet and be able to connect the Wireless-N to my local subnet and provide access to phones, tablets, and laptops. If these were standard linux boxes, this would be fairly easy, but the standard tools don't seem available on DD-WRT's shell. Has anyone done this? Got a good link? (I have googled, but the examples I've found aren't quite right or don't really work.) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
