Re: [Discuss] Dan Geer's Blackhat talk, iGuardian enterprise-grade home router

2014-09-13 Thread Eric Chadbourne

Will definitely read this.  Thanks.

Eric Chadbourne

On 09/12/2014 10:29 PM, d...@geer.org wrote:


   Dan Geer, an occasional poster here, apparently gave a talk at Blackhat

see

Cybersecurity as Realpolitik, 6 August 2014
http://geer.tinho.net/geer.blackhat.6viii14.txt


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Re: [Discuss] Dan Geer's Blackhat talk, iGuardian enterprise-grade home router

2014-09-12 Thread John Abreau
Did the talk mention whether the iGuardian supports IPv6?

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:01 AM, Tom Metro tmetro+...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dan Geer, an occasional poster here, apparently gave a talk at Blackhat
 recently, which was covered on This Week in Enterprise Tech episode #105:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=YkIFOzAcJI4#t=1530

 (His segment begins at offset 25:30.)

 A point of his talk is that small office/home routers are critical
 infrastructure. He hits some of the same themes as I've heard in Jim
 Gettys' talks on home routers.


 The same episode also covers the iGuardian Kickstarter project that aims
 to produce a $150 enterprise-grade home router that includes deep packet
 inspection and regular updates:
 http://www.itusnetworks.com/home

 Probably a good approach for non-technical people looking for a turn-key
 solution.

  -Tom

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Re: [Discuss] Dan Geer's Blackhat talk, iGuardian enterprise-grade home router

2014-09-12 Thread Richard Pieri
There are some points made that I don't agree with.

Comparing his $150 box to a Juniper IPS that costs ten times as much (or
more) is disingenuous. At the very least, his iGuardian isn't an HA
solution like the SRX series. His box doesn't include a role-based
firewall or central management. I could go on but I'd be wholesale
quoting Juniper's sales literature. Business grade? Add a check mark
next to the buzzword compliant line item.

He lists frequent, easy updates as a feature yet it's an /embedded/
system, an OpenWRT fork which, as we've recently discussed, isn't easily
updated. I'd forgive a lot if his iGuardian were running a live OS the
way that pfSense does but going embedded? That's a big strike against it.

Cybercriminals want your data. No, they don't. They want your money.
The rise of ransomware has demonstrated that it's easy to extort money
from stupid people who click on every link they see. Ransomware is a
PEBCAK situation. Good luck doing anything about it at the packet level.

Overall: not impressed.

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Re: [Discuss] Dan Geer's Blackhat talk, iGuardian enterprise-grade home router

2014-09-12 Thread dan

  Dan Geer, an occasional poster here, apparently gave a talk at Blackhat

see

Cybersecurity as Realpolitik, 6 August 2014
http://geer.tinho.net/geer.blackhat.6viii14.txt


--dan

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