Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/31/2014 5:17 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Richard Pieri wrote: The correct solution is to configure the Edimax as an Ethernet bridge, disable NAT and disable DHCP services. a.k.a. Access point mode? :-) No. It's an access point. Period. It's currently configured as a NAT gateway. It needs to be configured as an Ethernet bridge. Terminology confusion.In 802.11 style nomenclature any device that forwards Ethernet style packets between wireless endpoints is an AP (access point). Most such devices can also act as an Ethernet bridge to a wired Ethernet (the LAN ports on such devices). Most of them can also act as a (typically NAT based) IP router to the WAN port on the device. Most of them will also provide DHCP, DNS and other IP based services. Richard is noting the fact that all devices of this type are acting as an AP no matter which configuration mode you put them in. The issue is what additional service on top of being an AP they are providing. In this case, the only services that appear to be desired are acting as an AP and doing Ethernet bridging to a wired Ethernet. Finding some configuration that turns off (or at least ignores) all the other services is what is desired. Disabling the DHCP service in particular is the most critical. You don't want this device to be offering IP addresses (and default routes) to anyone. If the AP mode configuration of the device doesn't achieve this then some other configuration change that does is required. If there is no way to disable the DHCP server on the device then it is probably not suitable for the task. Bill Bogstad ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
My best guess is that the default route works from the edimax to actiontec because it's on the way to the internet.Devices can connect because packets pass through the actiontec due to it being the internet gateway and it has dynamic routing for PC1. It does not work the other way because no packets pass through the edimax and the actiontec has no dynamic entries for these other nodes. That is why you get routing from the devices from the endimax-connected-devices but not to them. To fix that you need to add some static routing. You could create static routes using the ip addresses you have for each device. Add these on the Actiontec. Try ssh to ddwrt and execute these commands: # route add -host 192.168.0.8 gw 192.168.0.20 # route add -host 192.168.0.15 gw 192.168.0.20 # route add -host 192.168.0.18 gw 192.168.0.20 If this fails then check for anything that may be interfering with bridging ethernet and wireless in either device. You may need to specificity a device for the routes. Finally to persist these you will have to find this in the gui, or find the right config file to create/append. Alternatively you could create a subnet and reassign ips on the edimax, and add one network route. That might be more complicated than is necessary but the router may have a gui for network routes but not for host routes since network routing is more common. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
On 7/31/2014 12:20 PM, John Hall wrote: To fix that you need to add some static routing. The correct solution is to configure the Edimax as an Ethernet bridge, disable NAT and disable DHCP services. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
Richard Pieri wrote: The correct solution is to configure the Edimax as an Ethernet bridge, disable NAT and disable DHCP services. a.k.a. Access point mode? :-) He tried that. Though turning that off and attempting to do the equivalent manually would be worth a try. Disabling NAT is irrelevant if you are ignoring the WAN port. The wireless interface and the switch VLAN for the LAN ports are already bridged, typically. Glenn Burkhardt wrote: But to review, my configuration is this: |---| Ethernet || | Actiontec V1000H || Edimax N150 | | router|| 192.168.0.20 | | 192.168.0.1 ||| |---| | | | | || | |Wireless Ch 2 | Ethernet | Wireless Ch 9 | | | PC 1 | Printer | PC 3 192.168.0.12 | 192.168.0.8 | 192.168.0.15 | | PC 2 PC 4 192.168.0.14192.168.0.18 For access point mode, the instructions are to connect the cable from the Actiontec to one of the LAN ports, not the WAN port. Yes, I've checked that again. So to clarify you aren't showing the connection between the Actiontec's WAN port and your cable modem. And the link between the two routers is going between ports marked LAN on both ends? As Rich suggests, confirm that DHCP (server) is disabled on the Edimax. How is the Edimax getting its IP address? Static or DHCP from the Actiontec? If static, what is the DHCP address range on the Actiontec. How about default gateway and DNS settings? Where are they pointing? What is your netmask set to on each router? PC2 cannot access the printer, and ping fails PC2 cannot ping PC4 PC2 cannot access the Edimax browser page, nor ping its advertised 192.168.0.20 address That's not quite what I'd expect from access point mode. I think it's a flaw in the Edimax. No, what you've described fits a situation where you haven't put a router into access mode and you've attached it via its WAN port. So connections local to that router's LAN work, and outbound connection to upstream devices works, but inbound connections fail, as if they are hitting a firewall. -Tom -- Tom Metro The Perl Shop, Newton, MA, USA Predictable On-demand Perl Consulting. http://www.theperlshop.com/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
On 7/31/2014 5:17 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Richard Pieri wrote: The correct solution is to configure the Edimax as an Ethernet bridge, disable NAT and disable DHCP services. a.k.a. Access point mode? :-) No. It's an access point. Period. It's currently configured as a NAT gateway. It needs to be configured as an Ethernet bridge. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
On 7/30/2014 8:08 PM, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/28/2014 9:00 PM, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: All interfaces connected to the Ethernet or two wireless networks end up on the same subnet (192.168.0.x). I'm figuring you don't have this but instead you have a second 192.168.0.0/24 network inside your primary internal network. The Edimax isn't a bridge but a second firewall/gateway with its own private 192.168.0.0/24 network that's isolated from your primary internal network. Actually like many such devices these days, it seems like how you can use the the Edimax is dependent on software configuration. By default, devices like this typically come up in wi-fi router mode.According to the manual located here: http://www.edimax.com/edimax/mw/cufiles/files/download/manual/transfer/Wireless/BR-6228nS_nC_V2/BR-6228nS_V2_nC_V2_Manual.pdf it can be put into: Wi-Fi Router, Access Point, and Range Extender modes. Which it is in depends on software configuration and how the Edimax physically connects to the rest of your network. It might be a good idea to verify that the device is correctly configured. Bill Bogstad ... verify that the device is correctly configured... Ok, so how should the device be configured? It's reporting that it's configured as an access point. Unfortunately, the documentation doesn't go into a great deal of detail about what each mode does. It makes me think that ma...@mohawksoft.com is right, just get a router that DD-WRT supports, so one knows what one is getting. But to review, my configuration is this: |---| Ethernet || | Actiontec V1000H || Edimax N150 | | router|| 192.168.0.20 | | 192.168.0.1 ||| |---| | | | | || | |Wireless Ch 2 | Ethernet | Wireless Ch 9 | | | PC 1 | Printer | PC 3 192.168.0.12 | 192.168.0.8 | 192.168.0.15 | | PC 2 PC 4 192.168.0.14192.168.0.18 PC3 can access the Actiontec's browser configuration page PC3 can access the Edimax's browser configuration page PC3 can ping PC1 PC2 cannot access the printer, and ping fails PC3 can access Samba shares on PC 4 PC3 can access Windows shares on PC1 PC2 cannot ping PC4 PC2 cannot access the Edimax browser page, nor ping its advertised 192.168.0.20 address All connections to the Printer, PC3, PC4 from the Edimax are over wireless. All PCs IP addresses are shown in the Actiontec status page (the Actiontec is the DHCP server for the network), except for Edimax's IP address. That's not quite what I'd expect from access point mode. I think it's a flaw in the Edimax. It should repeat any packets it receives over its other wireless and Ethernet connections. For access point mode, the instructions are to connect the cable from the Actiontec to one of the LAN ports, not the WAN port. Yes, I've checked that again. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
A couple notes. I NEVER, repeat, NEVER use stock software from the vendor of my wireless router. Sorry, I don't trust fill in company name here All my routers use DD-WRT. Once you make that jump, then you can just hop over to their website and look for compatible routers. The DD-WRT code has a LOT of features that the commercial routers do not provide, including SSH access. So, now that you can have the features that you want regardless of vendor, just find a router that is supported at a good price. Last year I found a DLink-N 615 router for $30. I bought two of them and put one at each end of the house. Apologies to Lewis Carroll. I'm afraid the following doesn't scan as well as his version: The time has come, my router said, to talk of many things. Of 802.11 ac and n and g and b, And why Cisco updates without permission. And the safety of ASUS settings. :-) It's long past time for me to replace my 802.11 g router with something more recent. But I have a few constraints that make it tricky to select the right router. So my question is, do any of you have experience with the ASUS RT-N66U or any other router that fits the constraints I describe below? While I'm interested in recommendations of what's worked well for you, I'd also appreciate warnings of what to stay away from. advTHANKSance for your help. My constraints are: 1. COVERAGE: The construction of the house the router will be installed in is problematic WRT getting signals through. It was built before drywall was in common use in the U.S. But rather than using wood lath, the plaster is held in place by lath. But it's not traditional wood lath. It's WIRE LATH. Also, the heating system is forced hot air, which means that there's SHEET-METAL DUCTWORK between all the ceilings and floors. So all the walls, floors, and ceilings have metal in them. With the old router, I had to replace one of the stick antennas with a directional antenna aimed toward the part of the house where coverage was weakest. But since 802.11 N and AC use MIMO, I believe that replacing one of the stick antennas with a directional antenna would screw up the interference pattern that MIMO depends on. I'm hoping that MIMO will solve the coverage problem that the directional antenna solved with the old router. Do any of you have any experience with routers in environments like this? If MIMO doesn't get me the coverage I need, what are my options? 2. N vs. AC: I have a 5 GHz cordless phone that I do not want to replace. It implements features that would be difficult to find a replacement for, and even if I could, replacing it would be quite expensive. So it was important for me to figure out whether this phone will interfere with an 802.11-AC router. It took several months of research, but eventually I determined that it definitely will interfere with over half of the 5 GHz WiFi channels used in the U.S. Since 802.11-AC only operates in the 5 GHz band, but 802.11-N operates in both the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands, 802.11-N seems like a much better choice for my circumstances. Furthermore, most of the computers on my network don't support 802.11-AC, but are recent enough that I'm not likely to replace them anytime soon. So it makes sense to me to ignore 802.11-AC routers and only look at 802.11-N. Does this logic make sense to you? 3. SPEED: Of the 802.11-N offerings, the highest aggregate speed seems to be 450 Mbps in the 2.4 GHz band plus 450 Mbps in the 5 GHz band. This is commonly known as an N900 router. Given the potential interference from the 5 GHz cordless phone, I may not get the full 450 Mbps from the 5 GHz range, but a dual band N router seems the choice most likely to get me the fastest throughput possible for my circumstances. 4. PORTS: In addition to supporting WiFi, I also need the router to provide 4 LAN Ethernet ports in addition to the 1 WAN Ethernet port for connecting it to my cable modem. 5. WHAT ROUTERS CAN BE TRUSTED? CISCO: Given the above constraints, I was considering the Linksys (Cisco) EA4500, but when I Googled it, I quickly learned that about 2 years ago, Cisco/Linksys had pushed out their Cloud Connect firmware to all their routers without the router owners' permission, and in order for the owner to continue using his own router, he had no choice but to sign an agreement that allows Cisco to spy on his Internet use, allows Cisco to sell any data they collect, and allows Cisco to legally lock the router's owner out of his own router whenever they feel like it. http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/cisco-locks-customers-out-of-t.html,
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com writes: it can be put into: Wi-Fi Router, Access Point, and Range Extender modes. Which it is in depends on software configuration and how the Edimax physically connects to the rest of your network. It might be a good idea to verify that the device is correctly configured. Okay, here's a dumb question: What's the difference between Access Point mode and Range Extender mode? Is RE mode using wireless as the backhaul, whereas AP mode uses wired as the backhaul? Bill Bogstad -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
On 7/29/2014 10:11 AM, Derek Atkins wrote: Okay, here's a dumb question: What's the difference between Access Point mode and Range Extender mode? Is RE mode using wireless as the backhaul, whereas AP mode uses wired as the backhaul? An access point is a standalone device. Wireless distribution system, aka WDS, aka range extension, is part of the draft 802.11g specifications but it was not formally included in the final spec due to implementation issues (that may have changed; I haven't kept up). A WDS access point is a client or slave to an existing master access point. WDS is wireless; it does not use wired networking at all. If your secondary access points are connected via wired Ethernet then they're not doing WDS. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Derek Atkins warl...@mit.edu wrote: Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com writes: it can be put into: Wi-Fi Router, Access Point, and Range Extender modes. Which it is in depends on software configuration and how the Edimax physically connects to the rest of your network. It might be a good idea to verify that the device is correctly configured. Okay, here's a dumb question: What's the difference between Access Point mode and Range Extender mode? Is RE mode using wireless as the backhaul, whereas AP mode uses wired as the backhaul? As far as I can tell, that's the way your device (and every other one that I've looked at) does it. Technically, I think Richard Pieri is correct in that an AP doesn't HAVE to bridge to wired Ethernet; but I don't think I have ever seen one that doesn't offer that option. Certainly not in the consumer market. Of course, you can always just not connect wired Ethernet, if you truly want it to be a standalone wireless Ethernet. In either case, the device shouldn't do any IP routing and probably will not provide any network services (say DNS server). If you read your manual you will find that it still wants an IP address though (either static or via DHCP) so that you can manage it via its web interface. Bill Bogstad ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
While it may not meet your needs, another alternative often worth considering when trying to extent coverage in a building like that would be Powerline equipment, such as: this pair of Asoka Pluglink devices http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221257888711?lpid=82 that would cost you close to $25 total including shipping. I have a couple like that (not sure if it's precisely the same model) in operation in an old Victorian and am pleased with the results. - S. On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Jim Gasek wrote: MBR: Regarding COVERAGE (RF signal strength): The obvious answer, easy for me b/c I built my house with CAT5 in the walls, home-runs to basement, is to have multiple (hard wired, in my case) wifi routers throughout the house. I have one in the basement Comm room, and another in the upstairs bedroom. In your worst case, you could hardwire one in the North and South corners of the basement, for example. Or pop a hole up to the first floor in a couple spots. Remember the donut shaped energy field off each antenna, and point appropriately. I use hardwired where I can, off the wifi router. The rest of the family, with ipads and smartphones need wireless. Even with no wires at all, you can do (less effective, but...) at least I think you can do radio to radio wifi routers. Called mesh? Never needed to do myself. I've been told, but not positive, that the radio sections of wifi routers seem to crap out over time, especially consumer grade products. Maybe just salesman folklore. There used to be a Linksys power pack type thing that boosted the RF signal, up to IETF RF signal limits. No opinion there. I'd guess all manufacturers tend to build today up to maximum power limits? And there are a plethora of directional antennas. I found them cost prohibitive, and too much trouble. Thanks, Jim Gasek --- m...@arlsoft.com wrote: From: MBR m...@arlsoft.com To: BLU Discussion List discuss@blu.org Subject: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 02:38:27 -0400 Apologies to Lewis Carroll. I'm afraid the following doesn't scan as well as his version: The time has come, my router said, to talk of many things. Of 802.11 ac and n and g and b, And why Cisco updates without permission. And the safety of ASUS settings. :-) It's long past time for me to replace my 802.11 g router with something more recent. But I have a few constraints that make it tricky to select the right router. So my question is, do any of you have experience with the ASUS RT-N66U or any other router that fits the constraints I describe below? While I'm interested in recommendations of what's worked well for you, I'd also appreciate warnings of what to stay away from. advTHANKSance for your help. My constraints are: 1. COVERAGE: The construction of the house the router will be installed in is problematic WRT getting signals through. It was built before drywall was in common use in the U.S. But rather than using wood lath, the plaster is held in place by lath. But it's not traditional wood lath. It's WIRE LATH. Also, the heating system is forced hot air, which means that there's SHEET-METAL DUCTWORK between all the ceilings and floors. So all the walls, floors, and ceilings have metal in them. With the old router, I had to replace one of the stick antennas with a directional antenna aimed toward the part of the house where coverage was weakest. But since 802.11 N and AC use MIMO, I believe that replacing one of the stick antennas with a directional antenna would screw up the interference pattern that MIMO depends on. I'm hoping that MIMO will solve the coverage problem that the directional antenna solved with the old router. Do any of you have any experience with routers in environments like this? If MIMO doesn't get me the coverage I need, what are my options? 2. N vs. AC: I have a 5 GHz cordless phone that I do not want to replace. It implements features that would be difficult to find a replacement for, and even if I could, replacing it would be quite expensive. So it was important for me to figure out whether this phone will interfere with an 802.11-AC router. It took several months of research, but eventually I determined that it definitely will interfere with over half of the 5 GHz WiFi channels used in the U.S. Since 802.11-AC only operates in the 5 GHz band, but 802.11-N operates in both the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands, 802.11-N seems like a much better choice for my circumstances. Furthermore, most of the computers on my network don't support 802.11-AC, but are recent enough that I'm not likely to replace them anytime soon. So it makes sense to me to ignore 802.11-AC routers and only look at 802.11-N. Does this logic make sense to you? 3. SPEED: Of the 802.11-N offerings, the highest aggregate speed seems to be 450 Mbps in the 2.4 GHz
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
Another option, is to put out some Ubiquiti UniFi AP-Pro Access Points. Read more about them on ubnt.com ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Ubiquiti-UAP-PRO-3-UniFi-AP-3-Pack-Bundle-Includes-Mounting-Kit-U-S-Version-/300946015427?pt=US_Wireless_Access_Pointshash=item4611c7c4c3 This is 3 are under $700 in a pack on eBay. Not cheap, but commercial quality that can last quite a while. I know a college locally (in TN) that uses them in their dorms where they get heavy use (close to abuse ;-) ) but they stand up well and are remotely managed with Ubiquiti's management software (free I think). ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
How much RF interference do these things generate? -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces+joe=polcari@blu.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Ronan Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:35 AM To: discuss@blu.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics While it may not meet your needs, another alternative often worth considering when trying to extent coverage in a building like that would be Powerline equipment, such as: this pair of Asoka Pluglink devices http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221257888711?lpid=82 that would cost you close to $25 total including shipping. I have a couple like that (not sure if it's precisely the same model) in operation in an old Victorian and am pleased with the results. - S. On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Jim Gasek wrote: MBR: Regarding COVERAGE (RF signal strength): The obvious answer, easy for me b/c I built my house with CAT5 in the walls, home-runs to basement, is to have multiple (hard wired, in my case) wifi routers throughout the house. I have one in the basement Comm room, and another in the upstairs bedroom. In your worst case, you could hardwire one in the North and South corners of the basement, for example. Or pop a hole up to the first floor in a couple spots. Remember the donut shaped energy field off each antenna, and point appropriately. I use hardwired where I can, off the wifi router. The rest of the family, with ipads and smartphones need wireless. Even with no wires at all, you can do (less effective, but...) at least I think you can do radio to radio wifi routers. Called mesh? Never needed to do myself. I've been told, but not positive, that the radio sections of wifi routers seem to crap out over time, especially consumer grade products. Maybe just salesman folklore. There used to be a Linksys power pack type thing that boosted the RF signal, up to IETF RF signal limits. No opinion there. I'd guess all manufacturers tend to build today up to maximum power limits? And there are a plethora of directional antennas. I found them cost prohibitive, and too much trouble. Thanks, Jim Gasek --- m...@arlsoft.com wrote: From: MBR m...@arlsoft.com To: BLU Discussion List discuss@blu.org Subject: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 02:38:27 -0400 Apologies to Lewis Carroll. I'm afraid the following doesn't scan as well as his version: The time has come, my router said, to talk of many things. Of 802.11 ac and n and g and b, And why Cisco updates without permission. And the safety of ASUS settings. :-) It's long past time for me to replace my 802.11 g router with something more recent. But I have a few constraints that make it tricky to select the right router. So my question is, do any of you have experience with the ASUS RT-N66U or any other router that fits the constraints I describe below? While I'm interested in recommendations of what's worked well for you, I'd also appreciate warnings of what to stay away from. advTHANKSance for your help. My constraints are: 1. COVERAGE: The construction of the house the router will be installed in is problematic WRT getting signals through. It was built before drywall was in common use in the U.S. But rather than using wood lath, the plaster is held in place by lath. But it's not traditional wood lath. It's WIRE LATH. Also, the heating system is forced hot air, which means that there's SHEET-METAL DUCTWORK between all the ceilings and floors. So all the walls, floors, and ceilings have metal in them. With the old router, I had to replace one of the stick antennas with a directional antenna aimed toward the part of the house where coverage was weakest. But since 802.11 N and AC use MIMO, I believe that replacing one of the stick antennas with a directional antenna would screw up the interference pattern that MIMO depends on. I'm hoping that MIMO will solve the coverage problem that the directional antenna solved with the old router. Do any of you have any experience with routers in environments like this? If MIMO doesn't get me the coverage I need, what are my options? 2. N vs. AC: I have a 5 GHz cordless phone that I do not want to replace. It implements features that would be difficult to find a replacement for, and even if I could, replacing it would be quite expensive. So it was important for me to figure out whether this phone will interfere with an 802.11-AC router. It took several months of research, but eventually I determined that it definitely will interfere with over half of the 5 GHz WiFi channels used in the U.S. Since 802.11-AC only operates in the 5 GHz band, but 802.11-N operates in both the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands, 802.11-N seems like a much better choice
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
What exactly is meant by Access Point nowadays? I ask because the thing I knew as an Access Pointin the early 2000s was a simple-minded device that sold for $25. This was before routers incorporated WiFi, so my router had 4 RJ-45 LAN ethernet ports and one WAN port. In order to do WiFi, I had one of the LAN ports connected to my Access Point. The Access Point had a single RJ-45 connector and two antennas, and was basically a dumb device that just copied bits back and forth between the RF signal coming in/going out through the antennas and the Ethernet signal on the RJ-45 port. At the time, router + access point = today's WiFi router. I've been considering running CAT-6 from the basement to the living areas of the house, putting the WiFi router and cable modem in the basement, and using access points to get coverage on the 1st and 2nd floor. But when I look for access points nowadays, I find devices that are at least as expensive as a WiFi router. A few months ago I read what it said on the outside of a box for one in Microcenter, and it seemed to list about a million features I couldn't make sense of. It seems that today's Access Points do a whole bunch of stuff besides what the simple one I used to have did. I have no idea what the new functionality is or whether any of it would be useful to me. So, what is an Access Point in 2014? Mark On 7/28/14 9:52 AM, Jack Coats wrote: Another option, is to put out some Ubiquiti UniFi AP-Pro Access Points. Read more about them on ubnt.com ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Ubiquiti-UAP-PRO-3-UniFi-AP-3-Pack-Bundle-Includes-Mounting-Kit-U-S-Version-/300946015427?pt=US_Wireless_Access_Pointshash=item4611c7c4c3 This is 3 are under $700 in a pack on eBay. Not cheap, but commercial quality that can last quite a while. I know a college locally (in TN) that uses them in their dorms where they get heavy use (close to abuse ;-) ) but they stand up well and are remotely managed with Ubiquiti's management software (free I think). ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Newegg has a half a dozen or so inexpensive access points. I recently bought this one for about $20: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315134 However, it doesn't seem to act the way I'd expect a true access point to work. I have it connected by Ethernet to the router that has the Internet connection and is the DHCP server for the house's internal subnet. The access point presents a second wireless network to a part of the house that's farther away from the router. That area of the house has poor reception with the wireless network of the router. The two wireless networks use different RF channels. All interfaces connected to the Ethernet or two wireless networks end up on the same subnet (192.168.0.x). But some of the computers on one of the wireless networks have trouble connecting to computers on the other wireless network. For example, in order for any computer to use my wireless printer, it has to be on the same wireless network that the printer is on. I haven't been able to figure this out yet... ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
On 7/28/2014 9:00 PM, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: All interfaces connected to the Ethernet or two wireless networks end up on the same subnet (192.168.0.x). I'm figuring you don't have this but instead you have a second 192.168.0.0/24 network inside your primary internal network. The Edimax isn't a bridge but a second firewall/gateway with its own private 192.168.0.0/24 network that's isolated from your primary internal network. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/28/2014 9:00 PM, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: All interfaces connected to the Ethernet or two wireless networks end up on the same subnet (192.168.0.x). I'm figuring you don't have this but instead you have a second 192.168.0.0/24 network inside your primary internal network. The Edimax isn't a bridge but a second firewall/gateway with its own private 192.168.0.0/24 network that's isolated from your primary internal network. Actually like many such devices these days, it seems like how you can use the the Edimax is dependent on software configuration. By default, devices like this typically come up in wi-fi router mode.According to the manual located here: http://www.edimax.com/edimax/mw/cufiles/files/download/manual/transfer/Wireless/BR-6228nS_nC_V2/BR-6228nS_V2_nC_V2_Manual.pdf it can be put into: Wi-Fi Router, Access Point, and Range Extender modes. Which it is in depends on software configuration and how the Edimax physically connects to the rest of your network. It might be a good idea to verify that the device is correctly configured. Bill Bogstad ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
